Talk:2014 Lahore clash

Changing the name

I would suggest to change the name of this incident to "Model Town Massacre". What do you think? I was looking for this article using different names that I came to know through media and couldn't find the article. Ended up starting to create an article myself and just a while ago realised through category listing that this article existed. Most of the media are using "Model Town Massacre" or "Model Town Tragedy". - Rafiullah (talk) 13:46, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

I would suggest collecting various news articles and analysing what most of these references are calling it. I actually wanted to go with the "Model Town tragedy" only after I had written most of the article. Arun Zaheeruddin (talk) 14:14, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Almost all of the English news papers are calling it either "Model Town massacre" or "Model Town tragedy" along with "Model Town incident". A Google search with any of these three names hits several news articles. Either of these three names is reasonably justified. Personally I would recommend "Model Town Massacre" as literally massacre best describes it in contrast to tragedy. Rafiullah (talk) 15:03, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

I don't know, "Model Town massacre" sort of implies that the government sent the police to deliberately kill the residents of the street. Shouldn't it be called a "tragedy" where people lost lives due to the incompetence of the government. I bet the Qadri supporters call it a "massacre" but others just call it "tragedy". Nevertheless, let's move this discussion to the page's talk page. Arun Zaheeruddin (talk) 15:17, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

I am certainly not a Qadri supporter and my English is neither as good. I understand your point that the term "massacre" might overplay it. But I have two reasons why I would call it a massacre: I just looked up Oxford dictionary which define the two as, tragedy: An event causing great suffering, destruction, and distress, such as a serious accident, crime, or natural catastrophe, massacre: An indiscriminate and brutal slaughter of many people. Secondly incompetence of the government, to me, is more like when an ill-maintained train causes an accident or police fails to react quickly and appropriately to save civilian lives from an assault by terrorists or criminals. When a disciplined civil armed force indiscriminately kills more than a dozen civilians inflecting serious injuries to another hundred, regardless of the fact who ordered it, oughtn't it be called a massacre rather than a tragedy? Anyway thanks for your patience and sorry for over stretching the argument purely by dictates of my twisted conscience. I am fine with tragedy. Rafiullah (talk) 16:06, 29 June 2014 (UTC)