Talk:2013 Birthday Honours

What is the right way to layout this page?

All of the Birthday and New Year Honours page are laid out slightly differently, what is the right or best way?

These pages would benefit from some reconciliation into a standard form (and while I have my method I've also some better laid out pages as well). The elements that change between ages are:

• Order of nations
• Order of honours
• Order of degrees within an honour
• Managing Civil, Military and Diplomatic lists

I'd like to hear your opinions.

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Karl Stephens (talk) 08:40, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

My opinion is

• lede should state when the honours were announced in each realm, common name of the realm with a citation to the gazette (either London or the nations own gazette) with an explanation of the honours list.
• Nations: Use heading level 2 and the realms common name (so use "United Kingdom" and not "United Kingdom of Great Britian and Northern Ireland") as
  

==United Kingdom==

• Order of nations: Based on date of foundation of the realm (being the date of adoption of the Statute of Westminster. Order would be (as of 2013) The United Kingdom, Canada (1931), Australia (1942), New Zealand (1947), Jamaica (1962), Barbados (1966), The Bahamas (1973), Grenada (1974), Papua New Guinea (1975), Solomon Islands (1978), Tuvalu (1978), Saint Lucia (1979), Saint Vincent and the Grenadines (1979), Antigua and Barbuda (1981), Belize (1981) & Saint Kitts and Nevis (1983).
• Order of honours: Based on the Order of Precedence for each nation. Use second highest level of heading level 3, Full name of the honour and (if used then include) post-nominals in brackets such as
  

===The Most Excellent Order of the British Empire===
===The Order of New Zealand (ONZ)===

• -other options are to use the Common name of the order such as

===Order of the British Empire===
===Order of New Zealand (ONZ)===

• Order of degrees within an honour: Published based on the order of precedence within the honour using the third highest heading level 4 with either the short or full name of the degree with post-nominals in brackets such as either:
  

====Knight Grand Cross (KBE)==== or
====Knight Grand Cross of The Order of the British Empire (KBE)====

• -Note publish strictly in the same order of publication as the nation gazette so if the London Gazette, New Zealand Gazette or Commonwealth Gazette (of Australia) publish Dames Grand Cross/Commanders/Companions before Knights Grand Cross/Commanders/Companions then don't combine the two degrees. There is an order of precedence within all Orders based on the date of award (and order of publication where published on the same date) so gent's in some countries it's still 'ladies first'!
• Managing Civil, Military and Diplomatic lists: Do we publish separate lists within each country so each order and degree is repeated or publish each honour only once but repeat each degree (Knight Commander, Officer, Member etc) for each list? Are each list a new sub-heading or prefixed with a semi-colon such as:
  

;Civilian
;Military
;Diplomatic

What options have I missed, what is your opinion?

Looking at last years London Gazette, Ladies go first for DCMG than KCMG but the lists do not segregate women from men. The Military List comes before the Civil list and followed by the Diplomatic and Police list's and the orders are grouped together;

• Hereditary Peer
• Life Peer
• Privy Council
• Order of Merit
• Order of the Companions of Honour
• Knight Bachelor
• Order of the Bath
• Order of St Michael and St George
• Royal Victorian Order
• Royal Victorian Medal
• Order of the British Empire
• British Empire Medal

Please yourself with the order of countries after that, however the Australia list has its own page because its a rather large list. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 21:31, 1 June 2013 (UTC)