Talk:2011–12 snooker season
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Resolved1) read the rules for this year and it's rather like shoot out. Due to this fact that shoot out is not included on this, should the PL be included as well. Also PL is not ran by matchroom this year it will be ran by World snooker —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.103.1.150 (talk) 18:13, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
- Do you mean the shot-clock? Shoot-out isn't on the list because it has other rule modifications too. Armbrust Talk to me Contribs 21:39, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
I added the Premier League but it was deleted! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Woodlandscaley (talk • contribs) 01:10, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
- Because it doesn't use the traditional rules of snooker, and currently uses a variation of the standard rules. Armbrust Talk to me about my editsreview 02:05, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
- If that's case Armburst then you better delete the World Seniors for that used a 10 minutes no shot clock period then a 30 shot clock with 2 extensions allowed and also there was a rule that stated that on the third consecutive Foul and a miss, a player could have cue ball in hand! However, to delete the World Seniors for this would be pedantic beyond words, the Premier League should be in the main season, for snooker is changing and traditional format is no long the sacred be all and end all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.203.254.2 (talk) 01:50, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- The Premier League isn't included because of the use of the time-limited shoot-out frame and not because of the use of a shot clock. Armbrust Talk to me about my editsreview 11:30, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- You didn't answer the part about the different miss rule with ball in hand applied in the Seniors. Once again, why should the Seniors be included and not the Premier League? Where is your source saying that the World Seniors is snooker, but Premier League isn't? /83.248.183.10 (talk) 11:34, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- What miss rule? I don't know about this, any sources? Armbrust Talk to me about my editsreview 11:47, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- [1] Parrot-Davis SF /83.248.183.10 (talk) 11:55, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- But it also says, that in the end this wasn't used. BTW the inclusion of variant events isn't just an issue for this article, thus such a discussion should take place at WT:SNOOKER. Armbrust Talk to me about my editsreview 12:02, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- Then how come you don't discuss the matter there, before continously deleting the Premier League? However, my point is not that the World Seniors should disappear from the season page, but that the Premier League should be included. You STILL haven't provided a source that says the World Seniors is snooker, but Premier League isn't. I'll give you two sources that say that Premier League IS snooker: World Snooker says Premier League is snooker and BBC says Premier League is snooker. Wouldn't it make more sense to draw the line at, say, six reds? /83.248.183.10 (talk) 12:23, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- The Premier League is referred to snooker because this format has no name, but that doesn't mean it's the same as snooker. Just because the sources use an incorrect word doesn't mean we have to include it. Armbrust Talk to me about my editsreview 12:27, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- The format HAS a name, namely SNOOKER. That is why that name is being used by the BBC and World Snooker. The World Snooker has decided to call it SNOOKER, so you can't say it's an incorrect word. And please, provide one source that says it ISN'T snooker!/83.248.183.10 (talk) 12:34, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- It isn't snooker because it uses a different set of rules. The sources clearly use the wrong word to describe this variant and you can't convince me otherwise. Armbrust Talk to me about my editsreview 12:38, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- OK, so to summarize: I provided 2 sources and you provided 0 sources. And still you'll have it your way./83.248.183.10 (talk) 13:35, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- Sources are not everything. If it is included, than it have to clear (with the use of different color), that it's a variant event. Is this an acceptable compromise. Armbrust Talk to me about my editsreview 13:38, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- Fine by me, but it should also be included here. Why not a fourth group of snooker variants, along with the Shoot-Out. That way it'll be easier to navigate around the season's tournaments./83.248.183.10 (talk) 13:53, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Done Armbrust Talk to me about my editsreview 15:40, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- I wouldn't complain if you excluded Power Snooker, though... /83.248.183.10 (talk) 17:49, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- Well if variants are added, than all need to be added. It would be arbitrary to not include it. Armbrust Talk to me about my editsreview 17:57, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- I wouldn't complain if you excluded Power Snooker, though... /83.248.183.10 (talk) 17:49, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- Fine by me, but it should also be included here. Why not a fourth group of snooker variants, along with the Shoot-Out. That way it'll be easier to navigate around the season's tournaments./83.248.183.10 (talk) 13:53, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- Sources are not everything. If it is included, than it have to clear (with the use of different color), that it's a variant event. Is this an acceptable compromise. Armbrust Talk to me about my editsreview 13:38, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- OK, so to summarize: I provided 2 sources and you provided 0 sources. And still you'll have it your way./83.248.183.10 (talk) 13:35, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- It isn't snooker because it uses a different set of rules. The sources clearly use the wrong word to describe this variant and you can't convince me otherwise. Armbrust Talk to me about my editsreview 12:38, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- The format HAS a name, namely SNOOKER. That is why that name is being used by the BBC and World Snooker. The World Snooker has decided to call it SNOOKER, so you can't say it's an incorrect word. And please, provide one source that says it ISN'T snooker!/83.248.183.10 (talk) 12:34, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- The Premier League is referred to snooker because this format has no name, but that doesn't mean it's the same as snooker. Just because the sources use an incorrect word doesn't mean we have to include it. Armbrust Talk to me about my editsreview 12:27, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- Then how come you don't discuss the matter there, before continously deleting the Premier League? However, my point is not that the World Seniors should disappear from the season page, but that the Premier League should be included. You STILL haven't provided a source that says the World Seniors is snooker, but Premier League isn't. I'll give you two sources that say that Premier League IS snooker: World Snooker says Premier League is snooker and BBC says Premier League is snooker. Wouldn't it make more sense to draw the line at, say, six reds? /83.248.183.10 (talk) 12:23, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- But it also says, that in the end this wasn't used. BTW the inclusion of variant events isn't just an issue for this article, thus such a discussion should take place at WT:SNOOKER. Armbrust Talk to me about my editsreview 12:02, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- [1] Parrot-Davis SF /83.248.183.10 (talk) 11:55, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- What miss rule? I don't know about this, any sources? Armbrust Talk to me about my editsreview 11:47, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- You didn't answer the part about the different miss rule with ball in hand applied in the Seniors. Once again, why should the Seniors be included and not the Premier League? Where is your source saying that the World Seniors is snooker, but Premier League isn't? /83.248.183.10 (talk) 11:34, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- The Premier League isn't included because of the use of the time-limited shoot-out frame and not because of the use of a shot clock. Armbrust Talk to me about my editsreview 11:30, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
- If that's case Armburst then you better delete the World Seniors for that used a 10 minutes no shot clock period then a 30 shot clock with 2 extensions allowed and also there was a rule that stated that on the third consecutive Foul and a miss, a player could have cue ball in hand! However, to delete the World Seniors for this would be pedantic beyond words, the Premier League should be in the main season, for snooker is changing and traditional format is no long the sacred be all and end all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.203.254.2 (talk) 01:50, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
I am so pleased that a sensible compromise was finally made on this issue, I only hope that in future Armburt you can be more flexible and understanding of the wider implications of your dictatorial approach to the ownership and editing of snooker articles. Including the variants of snooker has clearly added to this article and made it much more representative of the snooker season. To try and dictate arbitrary delineations between one event and another despite the most eminent sources in the game; World Snooker itself and the BBC, describing events as Snooker, without providing any sources to support your position, was untenable. Taking the view that you do, brings up some very odd suppositions though, for does the fact that the miss rule was brought into the game that everything post miss rule is not snooker? Of course not, so why would World Snooker run events that include additional rule tweaks suddenly become none Snooker events? No one would suggest that the World Seniors was not snooker, merely because it had a 3rd foul and a miss and it’s ball in hand rule, and nor would one suggest that just because Shoot Out is not snooker, just because it has a time limit to the match duration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.203.254.2 (talk) 23:32, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Date format edit
I have been wondering for a long time now why the dates are given in a format that is being used in the US but neither in the UK nor on the European continent. I'd rather see that changed because as it is anyone from Europe always needs to turn them around in their mind to get the "real" dates. Also, in the Notes it says, "Dates use the month name format" - I guess what it was meant to say is, "Dates use the month day format"? Kabrada (talk) 13:35, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
- Maybe because the new table format was first used (there) this was the preferred method. By the way in Hungary the dates use the "year month day" format. Corrected the notes, thanks for pointing out. Armbrust Talk to me about my editsreview 14:03, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
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