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DES (talk) 12:39, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
- DESiegel (DES), I don't see a strong reason for declining my request. I am the author. While others have reduced the size of the image per WP:Non-free, I don't see how that makes them authors in the same sense as me being the original uploader of the image. The image fails Wikipedia:Non-free content#Images. Unlike other images in the Peyton Sawyer article, this one is used solely for decoration. Instead of seeing someone else delete it and possibly wrongly delete the other non-infobox images in the article, I decided to have this one deleted myself. So even if it shouldn't be speedy deleted because others have uploaded different versions of the image due to my WP:Non-free mistake (back when I was a less experience Wikipedia editor), this image should be deleted per Wikipedia:Non-free content#Images. Flyer22 (talk) 12:51, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
- Flyer22, If there is no strong reason to accept a deletion request, that is enough to decline it, "When in doubt, don't delete" applies particularly to speedy deletions because of the lack of discussion. Failing the WP:NFCC is not a valid speedy deletion reason. (Also, the image is already mentioned in Peyton Sawyer, and that could be expanded. It is not pure decoration IMO.) As to being the author, no Wikipedia editor is really the "author" of a screenshot, the true author in this case is the artist who created the drawing for the show. I think this is outside the bounds of a proper speedy deletion, and must be deleted, if at all, after a deletion discussion. DES (talk) 13:08, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
- @Flyer22: DES (talk) 13:09, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
- DESiegel (DES), there is a strong reason to delete the image, and that is per what I stated above. Furthermore, the only other person to author this image here at Wikipedia is this editor who is now indefinitely blocked (at least indefinitely blocked under that account). I added the image to this section of the Peyton Sawyer article; I assure you it is pure decoration. In other words, it is simply a visual to go along with plot summary in a plot summary section, when editors can easily visualize that moment (even if not 100% accurately), and it is absent creator commentary and critical commentary. So it indeed fails Wikipedia:Non-free content#Images, which is exactly what editors would state if I asked about it at Wikipedia talk:Non-free content. The wardrobe imagery I added to that article is assisted by creator commentary, and the wardrobe descriptions cannot be easily imagined without visual aid. Similar goes for the artwork imagery I added to the Artwork section of that article. The school shooting image has no such support, and I don't see a need for adding any commentary on the matter there; that topic has its own Wikipedia article; see With Tired Eyes, Tired Minds, Tired Souls, We Slept. Similarly, I have nominated File:One Tree Hill-Peyton is bleeding out.jpg, which is used in the With Tired Eyes, Tired Minds, Tired Souls, We Slept article, for speedy deletion. After seeing this, this, this and this image deletion by Hullaballoo Wolfowitz at the Brooke Davis article, I remembered that there is one image in the Peyton Sawyer article that I should remove. Flyer22 (talk) 13:59, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
- Flyer22 a screenshot is not a separate creative act, it will generally not have its own copyright as per the Feist decision in US law. Thus I doubt that {{db-author}} should ever apply to one. Your other arguments about NFCC would be apt at a deletion discussion, but are irrelevant to a speedy deletion. As to the other editor, a later block does not alter whatever rights s/he had in the reduced image, and so is also irrelevant. DES (talk) 14:14, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
- DESiegel (DES), there is a strong reason to delete the image, and that is per what I stated above. Furthermore, the only other person to author this image here at Wikipedia is this editor who is now indefinitely blocked (at least indefinitely blocked under that account). I added the image to this section of the Peyton Sawyer article; I assure you it is pure decoration. In other words, it is simply a visual to go along with plot summary in a plot summary section, when editors can easily visualize that moment (even if not 100% accurately), and it is absent creator commentary and critical commentary. So it indeed fails Wikipedia:Non-free content#Images, which is exactly what editors would state if I asked about it at Wikipedia talk:Non-free content. The wardrobe imagery I added to that article is assisted by creator commentary, and the wardrobe descriptions cannot be easily imagined without visual aid. Similar goes for the artwork imagery I added to the Artwork section of that article. The school shooting image has no such support, and I don't see a need for adding any commentary on the matter there; that topic has its own Wikipedia article; see With Tired Eyes, Tired Minds, Tired Souls, We Slept. Similarly, I have nominated File:One Tree Hill-Peyton is bleeding out.jpg, which is used in the With Tired Eyes, Tired Minds, Tired Souls, We Slept article, for speedy deletion. After seeing this, this, this and this image deletion by Hullaballoo Wolfowitz at the Brooke Davis article, I remembered that there is one image in the Peyton Sawyer article that I should remove. Flyer22 (talk) 13:59, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
- DESiegel (DES), I did not state that "a screenshot is [...] a separate creative act." I stated above, "So even if [this image] shouldn't be speedy deleted because others have uploaded different versions of the image due to my WP:Non-free mistake (back when I was a less experience Wikipedia editor), this image should be deleted per Wikipedia:Non-free content#Images." I gave ample reason for why this image should be deleted, and you still won't do that. Instead, you are insisting that I needlessly go through a different channel to get this image deleted. You can delete this image per Wikipedia:Non-free content#Images; that is my point now. And an indefinitely blocked editor who seemingly only cared about the image to fix my WP:Non-free mistake? I agree to disagree on that as well. I will see about getting this image deleted via a different channel since you insist. Flyer22 (talk) 14:22, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
- No I can't, or at least I shouldn't. Only pages clearly falling within one or more of the speedy deletion criteria are appropriate for speedy deletion, violation of the non-free image rules is not one of them. Other deletions need discussion. My point about the creative act was: that is what justifies a db-author tag and subsequent deletion. DES (talk) 14:30, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
- DESiegel (DES), I did not state that "a screenshot is [...] a separate creative act." I stated above, "So even if [this image] shouldn't be speedy deleted because others have uploaded different versions of the image due to my WP:Non-free mistake (back when I was a less experience Wikipedia editor), this image should be deleted per Wikipedia:Non-free content#Images." I gave ample reason for why this image should be deleted, and you still won't do that. Instead, you are insisting that I needlessly go through a different channel to get this image deleted. You can delete this image per Wikipedia:Non-free content#Images; that is my point now. And an indefinitely blocked editor who seemingly only cared about the image to fix my WP:Non-free mistake? I agree to disagree on that as well. I will see about getting this image deleted via a different channel since you insist. Flyer22 (talk) 14:22, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
- You keep talking about speedy deletion when I am no longer arguing for that. And as for declining my other speedy deletion tag because I used {{db-author}}, you are the first WP:Administrator to refuse such a matter. You can check my logs for all the screenshots I've had deleted via {{db-author}}. I'll ask about these matters at Wikipedia talk:Non-free content. Flyer22 (talk) 14:35, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
- I've nominated this image for a proper FFD discussion. I feel that it violates NFCC 8. ViperSnake151 Talk 15:29, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
