Draft talk:Nicole Shanahan

More on the Denial

Hi @S0091, can you please explain the denial more? The citations include People Magazine, two articles from the New York Times, Philantrophy.com (major publication covering Philantrophy), Stanford Law, etc. These aren't tabloids. How can I improve the sources more? Corporationstation (talk) 22:09, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

@Corporationstation sure! All the articles are largely based on what she says which is considered primary (direct quotes or attributed to her like "she claims", "according to Shanahan", etc). Can you give me a couple that are in-depth about her, not what she or those affiliated with her state where it's clear the author did their own research, analysis, etc. S0091 (talk) 22:24, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

She was married for five years and has a child with Sergey Brin, who is currently ranked on Forbes as the 7th wealthiest in the US. All former spouses of similarly wealth individuals like Brin have their own Wikipedia pages (let me know if you need examples).

In 2021, she was ranked #6 by Philanthropy.com, the leading coverage in Philanthropy, in ALL American donors. Per their records, she donated $816 million dollars that year to charities. Here's the link, which is included in the citations and you'll note it has her name and photo: https://www.philanthropy.com/article/the-philanthropy-50/?sra=true#id=browse_2021. Philanthropy.com isn't reporting that based on what she's saying, that's verified. These billionaires are some of the most notable and influential people in the whole world.

More recently, and how I heard about her, was the super bowl ad for RFK Jr., which received very significant media coverage. It was controversial and she reportedly paid and helped select it. Every major media outlet covered it. Here are some examples which all have her name in the headline:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/12/us/politics/nicole-shanahan-rfk-super-bowl-ad.html

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nicole-shanahan-who-was-caught-between-elon-musk-and-sergey-brin-funds-rfk-jr-super-bowl-ad

https://nypost.com/2024/02/13/business/google-co-founder-sergey-brins-ex-nicole-shanahan-donated-4m-for-rfk-jr-super-bowl-ad-report/

https://www.businessinsider.com/google-cofounder-ex-wife-rfk-jr-super-bowl-ad-2024-2

It was also reported that she had an affair with Elon Musk, who is currently ranked #1 on Forbes.

She launched the world's first Center for Reproductive Longevity and Equality at the Buck Institute for Research on Aging. Link here: https://www.buckinstitute.org/news/female-reproductive-longevity-center/.

These are not her claims at all. It all fits Wiki's notability and is not just a "mention in passing." Corporationstation (talk) 21:21, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Being in things like "top of" lists, unless it is something like Time's person of the year, do not confer notability nor does being associated with other notable people (see WP:NOTINHERITED). The Daily Beast is a sentence about her, the rest is a quote then refers the reader to the NYT article. NY Post is deprecated source so cannot be used (see WP:NYPOST). Like the Daily Beast, Business Insider is three sentences about her with one attributed the NYT; the rest is her statements. The Buck Institute is a a press release which is fine to use for verifiability but not helpful for notability. The NYT piece is largely an interview ("In an interview on Monday, Ms. Shanahan said...") but there's probably enough intellectually independent coverage to count for notability.

As for other articles, see WP:OTHERSTUFF. The existence of one article does not mean another should exist. It could be an article about Shanahan is WP:TOOSOON, meaning sources may not exist right now that meet the criteria but may in the future. S0091 (talk) 22:03, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Understood. I appreciate your time, @S0091. Corporationstation (talk) 17:57, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

@Corporationstation you are welcome to continue to work it. Drafts are deleted after six months based on the last human edit but even it does get deleted, anyone can ask for it to be restored (WP:REFUND). The best advice I have is to stick to sources that have little or no input by her and have no affiliation with her. Press releases/announcements are considered primary sources which are fine to use for verifiability but not helpful for notability. If you (or anyone) believes there's enough notability qualifying sources down the road, feel free to request the ability to resubmit it at the WP:AFC Help Desk and point to this discussion. Actually, given you are autoconfirmed, you can move it at any time to mainspace (Article) yourself (see WP:MOVE, assuming you don't have a WP:COI. S0091 (talk) 18:16, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for this. I added info on her films and an award she won. If I continue updating, are you able to re-review, or do I have to follow the process you describe above? Corporationstation (talk) 18:20, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

@Corporationstation I will add a template so you can resubmit but nothing you have added is helpful for notability. S0091 (talk) 18:53, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi @S0091 - are you able to delete this draft here? Looks like she is notable enough to be considered as Vice President of the United States. Someone else created a page for her, which is active. Corporationstation (talk) 18:03, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

@Corporationstation no, I can't delete it but you can request it be deleted by placing {{db-author}} at the top of the draft or you can redirect it to the main article to maintain the history. It's up to you but I favor redirecting. If you don't know how to do a redirect, I can do that for you. S0091 (talk) 18:13, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

A re-direct would be great if you feel that's best - thank you! Corporationstation (talk) 19:40, 18 March 2024 (UTC)