Category talk:European-American culture in New York City

White categories

@User:Place Clichy, I'm aware that not every person from Europe is white, but the US Census defines European-Americans as white. By emptying the categories, they are now up for speedy deletion. I'm reverting the edits so that you can add a deletion tag to the category so the issue can be properly discussed. What you are doing is in good faith, but it also entails radically restructuring the categories. Right or wrong, it deserves a discussion. Bohemian Baltimore (talk)

@Bohemian Baltimore: I'm aware of the census definition. Avoiding speedy deletion is not a reason in itself to populate categories with ineligible content. The radical restructuring probably started when you created these "White" categories as umbrella categories for European-American, Middle-Eastern and North-African diaspora categories. 'White Americans' are the majority group in the United States, and is we have White American culture/society etc. categories, it should be for topics explicitly referring to this population, and called as such in the sources. There is plenty of such material. For instance, I fully agree with your addition of such categories to topics referred to explicitly as 'white working class neighborhoods' in the article text, such as Armistead Gardens, Baltimore or Hampden, Baltimore, provided this is supported by reliable sources. However, it is wrong to add such categories as parent to entire category trees of people of European descent or else. In this case, I fully stand by my edit.

Actually, what the census definition says is more complicated: White – A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa. [...] An individual’s response to the race question is based upon self-identification. Both underlined parts would support not blanket applying the 'white (American)' label to entire countries and continents of origin. Place Clichy (talk) 16:33, 27 October 2019 (UTC)