John Alpheus Cutler (February 29, 1784 – June 10, 1864) was an early leader in the Latter Day Saint movement who founded the Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite) in 1853. He had previously served in several church positions under Joseph Smith, founder of the Latter Day Saint movement, as well as captain of Smith's personal bodyguard and "Master Builder and Workman on all God's Holy Houses." Following the death of Joseph Smith in June 1844, Cutler at first followed the Twelve Apostles under Brigham Young, but later left Young's church to reorganize the Church of Jesus Christ, with himself serving as its first president. Cutler claimed that this was the sole legitimate continuation of Smith's organization, and he served as its leader until his death.
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|1st President of The Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)|
|September 19, 1853– June 10, 1864|
|Called by||Joseph Smith|
|Born||John Alpheus Cutler|
February 29, 1784
Plainfield, New Hampshire, United States
|Died||June 10, 1864 (aged 80)|
Manti, Iowa, United States
|Resting place||Manti Cemetery|
Cutler was born in Plainfield, New Hampshire, to Knight Cutler, a veteran of the American Revolution, and Elizabeth Boyd. He married Lois Lathrop of Lebanon, New Hampshire on November 17, 1808. Lathrop was a descendant of Rev. John Lothropp (1584–1653), and thus a distant cousin of Latter Day Saint prophet Joseph Smith. Cutler fought as a private in the War of 1812, serving in Cpt. E. Smith's company of New York Militia from September to December 1812. Although later Latter Day Saint sources would refer to Cutler as "Captain Alpheus Cutler" and say that he had fought at the battles of Chippewa Falls and Lundy's Lane, his service record does not support either assertion.
Cutler was a stonemason by occupation. He stood over six feet tall, and was described by one biographer as being "heavy set," "powerfully built," "critical" and "sarcastic," while generally expressing himself in "an extremely candid, sharp and brusque manner." Some of Cutler's contemporaries would later refer to him as having a "natural parabolical, allegorical, symbolical, mysterious, secretive way of telling things."
Conversion to the Latter Day Saint movementEdit
Following the War of 1812, Cutler and his family were living in western New York, where they heard David W. Patten of the Church of Christ preach about the coming forth of the Book of Mormon and the ministry of Joseph Smith. Following what they claimed to be a miraculous cure of their daughter by Patten's prayers and laying on of hands, Cutler and his family were baptized by Patten on 20 January 1833. He moved to the main Mormon settlement at Kirtland, Ohio the following year.
An enthusiastic convert, Cutler was invited to attend Smith's School of the Prophets in Kirtland, and assisted in the construction of the Kirtland Temple there. Although brought before the Kirtland High Council on 15 March 1835 on charges of arguing with fellow member Reynolds Cahoon and complaining about not being paid enough for his work on the temple, Cutler weathered the storm and remained in Smith's good graces. During the building's dedication on 27 March 1836, Cutler claimed to have seen a vision of Jesus Christ descending down a long carpet into the temple; he claimed that Christ spoke to him, but did not record what he said. He also claimed in this vision to have seen a large gold chain draped across the newly completed edifice.
When Joseph Smith moved church headquarters to Caldwell County, Missouri in 1837, Cutler followed him there and settled in adjacent Ray County. A victim of Governor Lilburn Boggs's "Extermination Order," Cutler was expelled from the state with the other Latter Day Saints during the winter of 1838–39. Together with members of the Quorum of Twelve Apostles and other leading Latter Day Saints, Cutler risked death and slipped back into Far West, where as the newly named "chief architect and master workman of all God's holy houses", Cutler laid the cornerstone for the (never-built) Far West Temple.
Relocating with his religious brethren to Nauvoo, Illinois, Cutler was appointed one of three members of a committee to oversee construction of the Nauvoo Temple on 3 October 1840. Directed to supervise the cutting of timber for the new edifice, Cutler led a group of workmen into the Pineries along the Black River in Wisconsin, where they spent the next year cutting logs and floating them down the Mississippi River to Nauvoo.
While in Nauvoo, Cutler served on the Nauvoo High Council, and the Anointed Quorum; he was also named to Joseph Smith's Council of Fifty. Cutler received his endowment under Smith's hand on 12 October 1843, and subsequently became only the sixth person to be given the rare Second Anointing on 15 November—a full week before Brigham Young received his—which made him a "King and Priest" in Smith's still-secret Kingdom of God (see Council of Fifty). Cutler also served as captain of Smith's bodyguard.
Prior to Smith's murder in 1844, Cutler was called by Smith to undertake a mission to the "Lamanites" (as Native Americans were often called by the Saints during this time in history). However, he had not yet departed when Smith was killed on 27 June at the jail in Carthage, Illinois.
Events of 1844–51Edit
Cutler remains in NauvooEdit
Smith's death produced a profound succession crisis in his movement, with members torn between competing claimants for Smith's prophetic mantle. These included the Quorum of the Twelve, led by Brigham Young; James Strang, a newly baptized convert from Wisconsin; and Sidney Rigdon, who had served as Joseph Smith's First Counselor in the First Presidency.
At first, Cutler threw in his lot with the Twelve. He continued to work on the Nauvoo Temple, where he was reportedly "sealed" to Lois on 14 February 1846. LDS Church records indicate that Cutler was married to six other women during this timeframe, but the Cutlerite church adamantly denies this or any assertion that Cutler—or Joseph Smith, for that matter—approved of or practiced plural marriage. Although the Nauvoo Temple would be dedicated on 1 May 1846 by apostle Orson Hyde, Cutler would later insist that it had not been finished by the "sufficient time" given in the revelation authorizing its construction; this proved pivotal for his own claims to legitimacy when he decided to commence his own church organization in 1853.
At this point, however, Cutler's loyalties were clearly with Brigham Young; he participated as a member of the High Council in the excommunication trials of Rigdon and Strang, as well as Joseph Smith's own brother, William, who had publicly endorsed Strang. During a discussion over the competing succession claims in the High Council, Cutler indicated that he "felt bound to sustain the Twelve, and all the Quorums of the Church with its present organization, for on that his salvation depended."
When Brigham Young decided to commence the Saints' trek to the Salt Lake Valley, he appointed Cutler as Captain of "Emigrating Company No. 3," one of twenty-five such travelling units into which the Mormon pioneers were organized. Cutler established Cutler's Park, Nebraska in 1846, and was appointed presiding member of the municipal High Council on 9 August of that year. Barely a month later, he was asked to find a new location for a settlement; on 11 September he selected the site that would become Winter Quarters, Nebraska.
Sometime prior to 1849, Cutler made a decision to withdraw from the main church body under the Twelve, and to go his own way. In the fall of 1847, Brigham Young had sanctioned his request to conduct the mission work among the Indians to which Joseph Smith had assigned him, and Cutler had commenced his efforts with nearby tribes. All seemed well at first. However, the arrival of apostle Orson Hyde at nearby Kanesville, Iowa in early 1848 changed the situation. Cutler soon became the subject of lurid rumors concerning his Indian mission, with spurious reports indicating that he had been elected as the "Generalissimo" of a union of "thirty-seven nations". Further allegations of alleged disloyalty to the Twelve by Cutler among the "Lamanites" fueled the fire; a visit by Ezra T. Benson, George A. Smith and others to Cutler's mission only partially calmed the situation. Although Brigham Young wrote to Cutler, offering him aid to move west, a house in Salt Lake City and a warm welcome once he arrived, the "Old Fox" (as Cutler was affectionately called) refused to go.
According to Cutler biographer Danny Jorgensen, Cutler had been appointed to a committee of the Council of Fifty specializing in "Lamanite" affairs, and he might have seen his mission as ultimately being Council of Fifty business, rather than as church business; thus, his resistance to Hyde and the others' attempts to regulate his activities among the Kansas tribes. However, since the role and place of the Fifty within Joseph Smith's overall scheme of things was not well known to many Latter Day Saints (due in part to its secret nature, and in part to Smith's untimely demise), many Latter Day Saints misunderstood Cutler's intentions and pronouncements on this subject, and this contributed to the eventual severing of his ties with Brigham Young's church.
Hyde ultimately became convinced that Cutler considered himself to be a greater authority than the council over which he (Hyde) presided, and ordered his mission suspended. Insisting that Cutler had become an enemy to Young's organization, the Kanesville High Council excommunicated him on 20 April 1851. Young labored to bring Cutler back into the fold, writing of an ardent desire to see his old friend and promising him protection against any enemies he might have in the church. Even as late as 1856, long after Cutler had founded his own organization, Young indicated to LDS Church general authorities that he would forgive everything if Cutler would only come to Utah Territory.
Founding a new churchEdit
The "Cutlerite" reorganizationEdit
But Cutler had no intention of going to Utah. Having broken with Young's organization, he set about creating his own. Having been forced to abandon his mission in 1851 under pressure from local Indian Agents and government authorities, he and his followers relocated to Manti, Iowa, in the southwestern part of that state. On September 19, 1853, Cutler organized The Church of Jesus Christ, claiming that he had seen a prophesied celestial sign (two crescent-moons with their backs together) which Joseph Smith had allegedly told him to wait for before commencing this "reorganization" of the church. Cutler claimed that Smith's church had been "rejected" by God, and that only he possessed the power to reorganize it. Thus, claimed Cutler, his new organization was the sole legitimate continuance of Joseph Smith's work.
According to Cutler, the misdeed that brought about the rejection of Joseph Smith's church was its failure to complete the Nauvoo Temple within the "sufficient time" mentioned in Doctrine and Covenants 124:31–32; that organization had accordingly ceased to exist as a legitimate entity. This did not mean that Smith's restored priesthood had been withdrawn from the earth, said Cutler, for he viewed the church and the priesthood as two separate things. While the former had been rejected, said he, the latter had not, and now remained solely with him as the seventh and final member of a furtive "Quorum of Seven" appointed by Smith to carry on his authority independently of the rejected church. All previous members of this quorum had died or apostatized, said Cutler; hence, he and he alone possessed power to "reorganize" Smith's church. Historian D. Michael Quinn surmises that this Quorum might have been the same as the so-called "Committee of the Council" or "Committee of Seven" spoken of in documents relating to the Council of Fifty, but questions whether it was ever anything more than a political body within the Council, as opposed to a group with "extraordinary religious or theocratic powers."
While in Manti, the Cutlerite church attained its highest membership figure: 183 persons. The church endeavored to establish a United Order, but soon gave up the attempt. Cutler became convinced that he was destined to lead a Mormon return to Independence, Missouri, and build there the great temple that the Mormons had tried (and failed, due to intense local opposition) to construct in 1832–33; in an 1861 sermon, Cutler prophesied that he would "be standing in Zion, if he were 80 years old." According to Joseph Smith III, eldest son of Joseph Smith and leader of a rival faction known as the New Organization, Cutler's followers were so convinced that they would be moving to Independence soon that they refused to make substantial improvements to their homes and lands, and remained in a constant state of readiness to leave at a moment's notice for "Zion."
Manti was visited during this period by missionaries from Joseph Smith III's church, now known as the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (RLDS Church). These visits began in 1855 with a letter from Zenos Gurley inviting Cutler to join their movement. Cutler rebuffed Gurley's overtures with a tersely-worded letter of his own, in which he openly ridiculed the RLDS Church's claims and insisted that his organization alone was possessed of the true priesthood authority. Nevertheless, many Cutlerites chose to accept "young Joseph;" among them was Cutler's son (and designated successor), Thaddeus. Joseph Smith III visited Cutler in person in 1863; he reported that the once-robust prophet had become partially paralyzed (due to a recent stroke) and weighed nearly 300 pounds; he struggled to speak, Joseph reported, but was no longer able to communicate effectively.
Death and aftermathEdit
On 10 August 1864, those members of his church who had remained loyal to Cutler (including his wife, Lois) relocated to Clitherall, near Battle Lake, Minnesota, in response to an alleged vision. RLDS Church evangelists followed the Cutlerites to their new home and culled many more from their ranks, ultimately leaving Cutler's church with a mere three elders and a few members. The remaining Cutlerites refused to give up, however, constructing a new church building in Clitherall and successfully establishing a church corporation in 1912 to effect the ideals of Joseph Smith's United Order; this corporation continues to function today.
During the 1920s, church members began to fulfill Cutler's long-cherished dream when they relocated their headquarters to Independence, Missouri; there they built a meetinghouse that remains today as the only functioning Cutlerite church building. As Cutler had taught in Manti, his followers continue to perform endowments and baptisms for the dead today, virtually alone among all non–LDS Church-derived Latter Day Saint churches.
Two schisms emerged from the original Cutlerite organization: the first was started by Clyde Fletcher in 1953 and vanished with his death in 1969. The second was begun by former member Eugene Walton in 1980, after the mainline Cutlerite organization rejected his claims to be the "One Mighty and Strong." Cutler's church continues to function today, albeit with diminutive membership numbers (12 members in 2010, all in Independence). Its current president is (as of 2013) Vernon Whiting.
Alpheus's Confession to his grandson: Abraham Kimball, a grandson to Alpheus son to Heber C Kimball, grew up with Alpheus as his father went west with Brigham Young. He left his two wives (daughters to Alpheus) with young sons at and the home of Father Cutler. He was to come back to take them West, but his wives died. Alpheus raised the boys to be afraid of the Mormons who had followed Brigham Young. Later Abraham traveled to Utah and met his family there and learn to love them and was baptized. He came back to Iowa to get his brother and he recorded a conversation that he had with his Grandfather Alpheus when he was in advanced years and had tuberculosis. He confided to his grandson, “I know that Joseph Smith was a Prophet of God, I know that Brigham Young is his legal successor, and always did know, but the trouble with me was that I wanted to lead and could not be led. I have run my race and sealed my doom, and I know what I have got to meet.” Addressing Abraham he said, Let what may turn up, never yield the point, (Never leave Mormonism) for it will save and exalt you in the Kingdom of God.” He then wept and asked his grandson not to divulge his confession to his followers while he still lived.
Wife, alleged plural wives and childrenEdit
Cutler's legal wife (and the only wife Cutlerites will acknowledge him having) was Lois Lathrop, who was born September 24, 1788, in Lebanon, New Hampshire and remained married to Cutler until his death. She and Cutler had the following children:
- Thaddeus (b. June 18, 1809 in Lisle, Broome Co., NY)
- Libeus (b. 1814 in Ontario, Broome)
- Louisa Elizabeth (b. May 16, 1816 in Lisle, Broome)
- Sally Mavea (b. Sept. 9, 1818 in Lisle, Broome)
- William (b. Feb. 6, 1821 in Ontario, Wayne Co., NY)
- Benjamin Franklin (b. Apr. 13, 1823 in Pomfret, Chatauqua Co., NY)
- Clarissa Crissy (b. Dec. 23, 1824 in Pomfret, Chattauqua)
- Emily Trask (b. Feb. 23, 1828 in Hanover, Chautauqua)
- Edwin H. (b. 1829 in New York)
- Betsy A. (b. 1832 in Pomfret, Chatauqua, NY)
Cutler's daughter Louisa Elizabeth Cutler (1816–1854) married Tunis Rappleye (1807–1883), who led the second group of Mormon pioneers (after Brigham Young's group) into the Salt Lake Valley in 1847. Their marriage produced 10 children and hundreds of descendants. Two other daughters, Clarissa (1824) and Emily (1828), married LDS Church apostle Heber Chase Kimball (1801) as polygamous wives. Both later divorced him.
- Luana Hart Beebe Rockwell (b. Oct. 3, 1814 in Lebanon, Madison, NY; d. Mar. 6, 1897 in West Tintic, Juab Co., UT)
- Margaret Carr (b. 1771 in North Carolina);
- Abigail Carr (b. 1780 in North Carolina);
- Sally Cox (b. Feb. 26, 1794 in Bernard, Somerset, NJ; d. Sept. 28, 1863 in Salt Lake City);
- Disey Caroline McCall (b. 1802 in North Carolina);
- Henrietta Clarinda Miller (b. 1822 in New York).
The contemporary Cutlerite church adamantly denies that any of these alleged marriages occurred, or that Cutler ever sanctioned or practiced plural marriage. According to non-Cutlerite biographer Danny L. Jorgensen, Cutler allegedly abandoned his plural wives (and plural marriage altogether) sometime during the 1850s after one of his disciples, F. Walter Cox, was threatened with imprisonment in Iowa. This same biographer also cites Heber C. Kimball's abandonment of Cutler's two daughters as another reason for Cutler's disaffection with polygamy.
- Fletcher, Rupert J. and Daisy Whiting, Alpheus Cutler and The Church of Jesus Christ. Church of Jesus Christ, 1974, pp. 47–55, 271–74
- "John Alpheus Cutler". The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saint. Retrieved 28 January 2014.
- "BYU Studies - Biographical Registers - C". The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saint. Archived from the original on 3 February 2014. Retrieved 28 January 2014.
- "saintswithouthalos.com". www.saintswithouthalos.com. Retrieved 3 November 2017.
- Fletcher, Rupert J. and Daisy Whiting, Alpheus Cutler and The Church of Jesus Christ. Church of Jesus Christ, 1974, p. 9
- Biography Archived 2012-01-05 at the Wayback Machine of Alpheus Cutler, The Joseph Smith Papers (accessed December 28, 2011)
- Alpheus Cutler Military Records. Erroneously named as "Alpheus Cutler's Civil War Record;" Cutler served in the War of 1812, not the U.S. Civil War.
- "Journal of a Mission of Don C. Smith". library.untraveledroad.com. Retrieved 3 November 2017.
- Fletcher, Rupert J. and Daisy Whiting, Alpheus Cutler and The Church of Jesus Christ. Church of Jesus Christ, 1974, p. 10.
- Alpheus Cutler Military Records.
- "Alpheus Cutler". Archived from the original on 21 October 2013. Retrieved 3 November 2017.
- "Jorgensen, Danny, Ph.D.: The Old Fox: Alpheus Cutler. Quoted in Lannius, Roger D. Differing Visions: Dissenters in Mormon History, Univ. of Illinois press, p. 159.
- Jorgensen, Danny, Ph.D.: The Old Fox: Alpheus Cutler. Quoted in Lannius, Roger D. Differing Visions: Dissenters in Mormon History, Univ. of Illinois press, p. 166.
- Fletcher, Rupert J. and Daisy Whiting, Alpheus Cutler and The Church of Jesus Christ. Church of Jesus Christ, 1974, pp. 12–13.
- Alpheus Cutler Archived 2013-10-21 at the Wayback Machine.
- Fletcher, pp. 15–16.
- Fletcher, Rupert J. and Daisy Whiting, Alpheus Cutler and The Church of Jesus Christ. Church of Jesus Christ, 1974, pp. 17–18.
- "Jorgensen, Danny, Ph.D.: The Old Fox: Alpheus Cutler. Quoted in Lannius, Roger D. Differing Visions: Dissenters in Mormon History, Univ. of Illinois press, p. 160.
- Fletcher, pg. 25. See also Jorgensen, Danny L., Conflict in the Camps of Israel: The 1853 Cutlerite Schism Archived 2011-06-14 at the Wayback Machine, Journal of Mormon History, vol. 21, issue 1, pp. 25–64.
- Fletcher, Rupert J. and Daisy Whiting, Alpheus Cutler and The Church of Jesus Christ. Church of Jesus Christ, 1974, p. 25.
- Doctrine and Covenants 124:132. All references are to the LDS Church edition of this work.
- Saints Without Halos: Alpheus Cutler. Retrieved on 2009-08-11.
- Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, ed. Joseph Fielding Smith (Salt Lake City, Utah: Deseret Book Company, 1977), p. 322. Quoted in Recreating Religion, ch. 3, p. 38.
- Jorgensen, Danny, Ph.D.:Building the Kingdom of God: Alpheus Cutler and the Second Mormon Mission to the Indians
- Fletcher, Rupert J. and Daisy Whiting, Alpheus Cutler and The Church of Jesus Christ. Church of Jesus Christ, 1974, p. 43.
- Fletcher, pp. 36-41.
- Johnson, G. Vaughn, Alpheus Cutler[permanent dead link], p. 2. Cutler's followers deny that this event ever took place.
- Fletcher, pp. 44-45, 247–58. Cutlerites tend to assert that these records were forged by individuals bent upon discrediting Cutler, after he founded his own organization. Cutlerites also deny the efficacy of eternal marriages as well, including those contracted in the Nauvoo temple. The names of Cutler's alleged wives, together with the LDS Church sources listing them, may be found at Saints Without Halos: Alpheus Cutler.
- Fletcher, pp. 36-37. The revelation referred to is Doctrine and Covenants 124:31-32 (see below). Although the temple was dedicated, all sources agree that its second storey was never fully finished. See article on Nauvoo Temple.
- Fred Collier, The Nauvoo High Council Minute Books, 156–57. Quoted in Recreating Religion, Ch. 3, p. 39.
- Fletcher, pp. 40-41.
- Saints Without Halos.
- Saints Without Halos; see also Johnson, G. Vaughn, Alpheus Cutler[permanent dead link], p. 2.
- Jorgensen, pg. 35. In addition to preaching, Cutler and his associates built a mill and farmed land among the Indians. Jorgensen, p. 38; Fletcher, p. 43.
- Jorgensen, p. 38–41.
- Jorgensen, p. 51. Brigham signed the letter: "your sincere friend and brother in time & all eternity".
- Cutler did author a reply in which he promised to move to Utah after completing his work among the Indians, but he never followed through on it. Jorgensen, p. 53.
- Jorgensen, Danny, Ph.D.:Building the Kingdom of God: Alpheus Cutler and the Second Mormon Mission to the Indians, pp. 198, 201–02.
- Jorgensen, Danny, Ph.D.:Building the Kingdom of God: Alpheus Cutler and the Second Mormon Mission to the Indians, pp. 201–02.
- Jorgensen, p. 49. Brigham Young defended Cutler before the October LDS general conference, saying that Cutler was the victim of false rumors about his loyalty to the church. Jorgensen, p. 54.
- Jorgensen, p. 55.
- Jorgensen, pp. 55–56.
- Joregensen, p. 56.
- Fletcher, p. 47. This should not be confused with the "reorganization" effected by the founders of the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. That was a separate event entirely, not involving Cutler or his followers in any way.
- Fletcher, pp. 47–55, 271–74.
- Fletcher, pp. 36–37, 154–55; Jorgensen, p. 57; "Letter of Alpheus Cutler to Zenos H. Gurley", 29 January 1856; reprinted in Fletcher, pp. 264–70.
- Cutler to Gurley; Fletcher, pp. 51, 267–69.
- Jorgensen, p. 57; Fletcher, pp. 46–55.
- Fletcher, p. 54.
- Quinn, D. Michael, The Council of Fifty and Its Members, pp. 15–16.
- Fletcher, p. 56.
- Box 1, folder 3, 87–88, Cutlerite Church Records. Quoted in Recreating Religion, ch. 3, p. 48.
- This "New Organization" had organized in 1853, though Joseph Smith III waited until 1860 to accept leadership of it. The early Reorganization claimed a "rejection" of Joseph Smith's church—hence the name "Reorganized"—but differed as to who had authority to reconstitute it, as well as disagreeing with several other Cutlerite beliefs.
- Joseph Smith III, Memoirs of Joseph Smith III, ed. Mary Audentia Smith Anderson and Richard P. Howard (Independence, Mo.: Herald Publishing House, 1979) pp. 98–99. Quoted in Recreating Religion, ch. 3, p. 48.
- These two letters may be read in their entirety in Fletcher, pp. 264–70.
- Fletcher, p. 63.
- Biloine Whiting Young, Obscure Believers: The Mormon Schism of Alpheus Cutler (Minneapolis: Pogo Press, 2002) p. 61.
- "Cemetourism: Alpheus Cutler (1784–1864)". 21 April 2011. Retrieved 3 November 2017.
- Fletcher, p. 74.
- Unlike the Utah LDS Church, Cutlerites do not practice eternal marriage, believing that to be an innovation made after Joseph Smith's death.
- Smith, Jason (2010). "Divergent Churches". In Reeve, W. Paul; Parshall, Ardis E. (eds.). Mormonism: A Historical Encyclopedia. ABC-CLIO. p. 236. ISBN 978-1-59884-107-7.
- "FamilySearch.org". familysearch.org. Retrieved 3 November 2017.
- "Building the Kingdom of God: Alpheus Cutler and the Second Mormon Mission to the Indians" (PDF). Retrieved 3 November 2017.
- Jorgensen, Danny, Ph.D.:Building the Kingdom of God: Alpheus Cutler and the Second Mormon Mission to the Indians. Excellent overview of Cutler's Indian mission.
- Jorgensen, Danny, Ph.D.: The Old Fox: Alpheus Cutler.