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Featured content: On the road again (363 bytes · 💬)

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• Beautiful array of pics and blurbs this week. Thanks! Tony (talk) 14:20, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

News and notes: First chickens come home to roost for FDC funding applicants; WMF board discusses governance issues and scope of programs (4,174 bytes · 💬)

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Thanks for that graph - very helpful, and what an awesome third place for the Netherlands! This is great PR for both projects mentioned in their proposal; WLM and Teylers. The sitting WMNL board can be proud of their work, and Sandra Rientjes' well-articulated and timely answers must have helped in the overall assessment. Putting together a year plan is a bit like herding cats, and then getting the funding to execute is a whole other journey. So kudo's to all involved, and thanks again for a great article that sums up the FDC process results. Jane (talk) 08:58, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Something is wrong here: Germany and the WMF itself gained the highest scores in the impact criteria, both 5, 5, and 4. Not enough chapters or too much scores? The Banner _talk 10:54, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Not sure of the problem. No other 5s were awarded. Tony (talk) 12:18, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

I think confusion is from there being three scores and two groups. I got tripped up too before realizing that it meant that WMDE and WMF both got scores of 5, 5, 4 for the three impact criteria.--ragesoss (talk) 14:12, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

I've reworded the sentence to (I think) be clearer. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 22:32, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

• Agreed, thanks for the summary/graph. -- phoebe / (talk to me) 02:02, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
• Yep, I agree with everyone here who's thanking Tony and Jan. The Signpost's coverage of the FDC has been very good. Sue Gardner (talk) 18:55, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

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Is the byline correct for Tony1 and Jan? I just The ed17 in the page history.--ragesoss (talk) 14:15, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

'Tis correct; Ed, as editor in chief, advises us and discusses the text with us, as necessary, and does the final run-through after pasting it in from elsewhere. Tony (talk) 14:24, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

• is it me being tired or is there no link to the source data for "FDC staff publish initial judgements on applications." If that's missing indeed, can it please be added? Someone please pat me on the head if a looked over it... --Siebrand (talk) 22:59, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

How odd! I have no idea how I found them - you're right and there's no link in the article. Siebrand, here is the link: meta:FDC portal/2012 - 2013 Round 1 Links/Staff assessment pages I guess we are just in Round one, so how many rounds are there? Jane (talk) 13:50, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Matt

Big thanks are due to Matt Halprin; he helped the Board in many quiet ways, and brought a great deal of experience and perspective to the Board's work. -- phoebe / (talk to me) 02:02, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Figure 3 mistake

In figure 3 the UK has 47 per the axis, but ?43 on the graph. Johnbod (talk) 09:05, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Ouch, that was my goof. Well spotted, Johnbod. Fixed now. BTW, if anyone wants to see the original Excel file I prepared, let me know (I guess I'll need your email to be able to attach it). Tony (talk) 10:43, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Recent research: WP governance informal; community as social network; efficiency of recruitment and content production; Rorschach news (813 bytes · 💬)

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"For example, the authors mention "bazaar style governance", but attribute it incorrectly—rather than the 2006 work they cite, the coining of this term dates to Eric S. Raymond's 1999 The Cathedral and the Bazaar." That's a pretty big oops. The cathedral and the bazaar is hardly an obscure work. Bawolff (talk) 20:02, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

• I'd like to recommend the WikiSym report on the Wikimedia Uk site linked to here (note 10). Really full & useful summary of the main papers. Johnbod (talk) 09:26, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Technology report: Improved video support imminent and Wikidata.org live (6,546 bytes · 💬)

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• Fantastic to hear about the video player. Now all we need to do is increase the maximum file size that the servers accept for .ogv files so that we can upload longer and higher quality segments. For your next media player overhaul, may I suggest the horribly dysfunctional player for audio recordings? This is also Sven Manguard 14:43, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
  • I believe TMH also changes the audio player (but don't quote me on that). Bawolff (talk) 19:59, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
  • THM does in fact update the audio player as well. It outputs the <audio /> tag in the html output. The player is then rewritten by the javascript library, and you can even associate text tracks with audio files for timed display of audio text content with wiki links ( if desired ) mdale (talk) 20:26, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
    • It does! I'm so happy. I wonder why I was seeing the new video player two days before I was seeing the new audio player though. Sven Manguard Wha? 22:05, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
• Any reason you linked to gossamer-threads rather than lists.wikimedia.org? - David Gerard (talk) 14:58, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
  • I've done it that way since I took over writing the Tech Report full time (i.e. for the last two and a half years); I'm pretty sure I inherited it from one of my predecessors. In any case, I read wikitech-l on Gossamer-Threads, so it's more work to track down the pipermail URLs (which we know can change from time to time) than just leave the neatly threaded Gossamer-URLs. - Jarry1250 ^{[Deliberation needed]} 20:14, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
    • The UI at http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/ (etc) is awful. The mirror at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/ is far from perfect, but it is much better. Why do so many techies put up with such poor UI for their discussions?! (Similar issues apply to talk pages, where newbies would benefit from simple in-place replies, like those implemented on Reddit.) Are there no better off-the-shelf alternatives for viewing threaded discussions on the web? Ajax ought to make browsing mailing lists much easier. — Richardguk (talk) 21:52, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
      • For the most part, techies don't. Most technical types subscribe to the mailing list, and read the messages in the email client of their choice. --Carnildo (talk) 22:40, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
  • I'd add that gossamer links are probably more stable than pipermail's, which are sometimes corrupted when the archives are rebuilt. guillom 13:10, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
• Will this support WebM format? Hopefully there will be a blog post or new page detailing the new features in an easy-to-read format (and with pictures!) 155.201.35.58 (talk) 19:03, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
  • The player supports WebM and WebM is enable on test wiki for TMH - but I doubt it. That will probably come later. - Jarry1250 ^{[Deliberationneeded]} 20:14, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
  • WebM support will be added as soon as its enabled on commons, for ease of rollback we are enabling wiki consumers of commons first ( since WebM supports ogg ) but oggHandler does not support WebM mdale (talk) 20:22, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
• "ability to pick where from a video the thumbnail is drawn" - I think ogghandler supported that as well, just nobody used it. Bawolff (talk) 19:57, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
  • So it did (does). You learn something new every day! - Jarry1250 ^{[Deliberation needed]} 20:14, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
  • TMH adds support for setting a start / stop point in the video itself as well as choosing the thumbnail mdale (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:23, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
• What happened regarding the dispute to shutdown the Toolserver? I haven't heard anything about it over the last few weeks. --Nathan2055^{talk - contribs} 16:26, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

well, we reported the procedural state of affairs on october 15 :). the chapter's assembly will vote on the matter on november 24, regards --Jan eissfeldt (talk) 08:57, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

• Does this version support during-playback selectable resolutions (selectable files, really) for low- and high- bandwidth viewing? If not, is this planned? --Lexein (talk) 00:42, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

The embedded CC video is up for deletion on the Commons

See Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Creative Commons - Get Creative.ogv. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 00:16, 3 November 2012 (UTC) updated wikilink on 01:59, 5 November 2012 (UTC) - davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)

• Duly replaced. Best, - Jarry1250 ^{[Deliberation needed]}

WikiProject report: In recognition of... WikiProject Military History (306 bytes · 💬)

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Mabeenot, thanks for providing another piece to my puzzle. Ottawahitech (talk) 14:55, 1 November 2012 (UTC)