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Another Project Proposal

I am proposing a grant to fund a Wikipedian in Residence at the University of Pittsburgh to facilitate the transfer of historical content related to women and their past contributions into Wikimedia projects. I am currently the Wikipedia Visiting Scholar with the Library and Archives of the University of Pittsburgh and have discovered the wealth of content related to historical women that resides in the Archives and Library collections. Your support is solicited for the Project Grant that can be seen here. Part of the grant-making process requires notification of those who would like to support this project.

I am the potential grantee and believe that being in the position of Wikipedian-in-Resident will make a significant improvement to contributions to WikiProject Women. My editing history already demonstrates my commitment to creating content on topics related to women. As a Wikipedian-in-Residence I would be training new and experienced contributors and highlight the available resources contained in the archives and collections at the University that will improve the content on Women's topics on Wikipedia.

I know the potential for the improvement and addition of content is great. Not only is your support requested but I would be very, very grateful to any other editors who can identify topics that need to be addressed and topics that need improvement. All advice is sincerely welcome. Thank you for your consideration.

Best Regards, Barbara (WVS) ✐ ✉ 21:50, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Does anyone subscribe to Billboard? I need to know some boxscore data for a tour.

Please ping me here or post on my user talk. Thanks.  — Calvin999 14:49, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

I have online access through my public library if that helps! Mvocab (talk) 17:27, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Mvocab that would be great, thank you! For All I Want for Christmas Is You, A Night of Joy and Festivity, I was looking for Leg 2, December 8-18 2015. For Number 1 to Infinity (residency show), Legs 3 and 5. It was the shows/sellouts, attendance and revenue that I am looking for to match the info for the rest of the respective tables.  — Calvin999 11:19, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Calvin999, I am having a really hard time finding the All I Want for Christmas Is You, A Night of Joy and Festivity, December 8-18 2015. I will keep looking, though. I did find the other two: Number 1 to Infinity (residency show), Leg 3: 2/9, 31,038/35,349, $4,537,609 (from the March 12, 2016 Billboard Magazine on page 67) and Leg 5: 1/9, 30,570/35,157, $3,986,795 (from the October 15, 2016 Billboard Magazine on page 154).Mvocab (talk) 02:42, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Mvocab That's great, thank you so much for #1 to Infinity. For AIWFCIY, do you think that's because the tour management just never published it?  — Calvin999 10:05, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Calvin999 That seems possible. I looked in all the December 2015-April 2016s and didn't see any info.Mvocab (talk) 23:16, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Mvocab That you, I really appreciate it. I reckon it was never published. Would you mind helping me with a few other tours? I got some of them off the website that publishes weekly but in case I missed any.  — Calvin999 08:10, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Calvin999 Sure! Just let me know which ones!Mvocab (talk) 22:11, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Itziar Okariz

Hi

While working through the unreferenced BLP backlog I discovered Itziar Okariz, There are some sources on google, but I thought I would post it here in case someone wants to rescue it. Dysklyver 14:58, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

@A Den Jentyl Ettien Avel Dysklyver: thanks for the heads-up. I added one ref, de-orphaned the article, and swapped out the Multiple issues tag with Refimprove. The article needs more developing, but it's off the chopping block, at least temporarily. Cheers! Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 16:13, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

#MeToo

Are there any project members who care to help improve the Me too (hashtag) article, or participate in any of the related ongoing discussions? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:25, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

November editathons from Women in Red: Join us!

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Women's March on Portland

If I've posted about this before, my apologies. I created and expanded Women's March on Portland (Portland, Oregon's local event coinciding with the 2017 Women's March), but I've struggled to find the motivation and time to incorporate these 15 or so sources into the article.

I think the article's at a point where some fresh eyes could help for identify content gaps. Are there any project members who are interested in working together to complete this article? Even help just incorporating one link into the article appropriately would be super helpful. Ultimately, I'd like to promote this article to Good status, and I'm more than happy to co-nominate if anyone's interested. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:32, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

sexist?

It would seem that this project exists to call out women's achievements over history however by calling out women separately, how does this achieve equality? Equality means everything is equal, so why have separate categories for only women? This in itself is sexist and unequal to men. 80.13.151.45 (talk) 20:51, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

The term you are looking for is feminist. There's nothing wrong with it, at least not until articles about men start to be the minority. Dysklyver 19:51, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes but surely one has to accept the sad fact that, until recently, women were not encouraged to study and do the great things that men were able to do. Their role in the past was mainly to stay at home and bear and raise children and keep house for the men.

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and so, until 100 years ago, a large majority of entries will be about, or to do with, men.

I agree that every significant thing should be in Wiki, and hopefully that would mean that women's achievements are fully represented, but surely it will be a long time before the female entries reach 50% or over. I would think that an encyclopedia should contain entries about significant events, persons, objects and discoveries and wouldn't like to see it filled with marginal items just because they involved a female (although it wouldn't affect the quality if one never knew they were there, only the size of the database).

I have two concerns about the feminist movement, the first is it seems that women are indeed taking over the World and positive discrimination has swung too far, and secondly that men (particularly white men) are being vilified, marginalised and being seen as evil and objects of hate.

When I see the fervour of feminism I feel scared and gulty and the target of a witch-hunt but that's just me and perhaps I am insecure. Apologies if I have offended anyone. Andrew ranfurly (talk) 08:12, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

No I get what you are saying, but since Wikipedia has barely 10% of the estimated eventual number of biographies it will have, it is actually entirely possible for women to have a higher percentage than men in the meantime. To give context, MP's are inherently notable, and almost all men, yet the lists of MP's are mostly redlinks. The dictionary of national biography project still has ~5,000 redlinks on men which are also inherently notable and even have existing open source biographies you can copy from wikisource. The vast majority of mediocre historical figures are not covered. Another good place to focus on the achievements of men is WikiProject Military History, particularity civil war and medieval conflicts. You might feel a certain amount of anti-man sentiment here on a project focused on women, but that is not intentional, it is just due to the focus of the project. On the other projects like MilHist, DNB and MP's, you will find things are perfectly positive towards their respective focus interests which are likely to be aligned towards the achievements of men, rather than the achievements of women. Dysklyver 12:03, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Feminism is not, for the most part anti-male, though there was and possibly remains, a small radical faction that is (just as there is a small, radical faction that is anti-female). Feminism is also not one-dimensional; there are feminist groups that vie for political and civil rights, feminist groups that work toward improving women's place in the family, feminist groups which are pacifists, etc. This project exists because for the most part women's contributions have been written out of history. For example, it is easy to write a biography of a male subject and leave out his wife and children entirely. For a woman's biography, that is really hard to do because until 1930 the first laws giving women their own legal identity did not exist. Typically to find any information about a woman you had to know who her father or husband was. Her name was changed, her citizenship status was changed, etc. Even non-biographical subjects have left out women's contributions, for example, in almost all societies, women were responsible for brewing because it was typically an outcropping of baking. And yet, histories of brewing leave out the history before industrialization and replacement of women in brewing with machinery. Since the 1970s, academics have recognized that it wasn't that women did not contribute, but that sources focused on the accomplishments of men. There was a recognition at that time, that as women represent 1/2 the world's people, their contributions should be acknowledged. That is the very simple goal of this project, to put women back into proper perspective. It will never be a 50/50 coverage of male and female subjects, as that would skew the historical record. There just aren't sources available for what women did in many cases, but where those are available, we attempt to present a more balanced history. It has nothing to do with bashing men or downplaying the roles men have had in society. SusunW (talk) 13:39, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Ongoing FAC

Members of this WikiProject might be interested in leaving comments at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Lady Gaga/archive2. Snuggums (talk / edits) 16:16, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

10-year-old biographical entry nominated for deletion

It may be of interest that an article for actress Cathy Shim, created almost exactly ten years ago, on November 6, 2007, has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cathy Shim. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 18:13, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Roman Spinner, I edited it and added some information and links to articles from Factiva and EBSCOHost, I hope that will help. Best wishes, S SunnyBoi (talk) 06:23, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Seeking any Smith College editors for assistance

I recently created Inez Whipple Wilder, who taught zoology at Smith College (a women's liberal arts college) for almost 30 years. She appears in Smith year books as early as 1927 (see [1]), but I'd love to find a decent image of Wilder published before 1923, so as to be in the Public Domain. It is likely that such an image exists, e.g in newspapers, staff books, or other media. If anyone associated with the university (student, librarian, etc) could investigate this, and scan/upload an image to Commons, it would be a most helpful addition. Thanks! --Animalparty! (talk) 23:04, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

List of sports video games featuring women athletes

I'd working on a draft of a new article entitled "List of sports video games featuring women athletes" (or something similar). So far, I have:

• Mia Hamm Soccer 64
• FIFA 16
• FIFA 17
• FIFA 18
• Imagine: Soccer Captain ref
• Dig & Spike Volleyball
• All Star Tennis '99
• 2004 Tiger Woods PGA Tour (Natalie Gulbis)
• ESPN International Winter Sports 2002 (figure skaters only)
• Kelly Slater's Pro Surfer (Lisa Andersen)
• Supremacy MMA
• Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed
• NHL 13
• Tiger Woods PGA Tour 14 (five players from WPGA)
• NBA Live 18 (will feature WNBA players)

Any others to add? Hmlarson (talk) 19:20, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Not my forte, is Lara Croft relevant? Dysklyver 20:08, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Not to a list on women athletes in videogames, anyway. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:10, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

• Mia Hamm Soccer Shootout (Gameboy) ref Hmlarson (talk) 20:32, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

• Hate to play devil's advocate, but is this list ever more trivia, or is it a well-defined scope and topic that is reliably and consistently discussed as a set, per WP:LISTN and WP:LSC? See also WP:LISTCRUFT. Unless "Video games with female athletes" is a topic notable in itself, this may be only slightly less trivial than "list of video games featuring dinosaurs". Check out Lists of video games for a variety of examples (note: I'm not saying they're all good examples). --Animalparty! (talk) 23:17, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Bioh

Jocelyn Bioh, a new article from a new user, needs cleanup if anyone has a spare moment czar 20:20, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Newly-elected women politicians from Virginia

I've created some stubs for the newly-elected women politicians from Virginia, and invite all to help expand these articles:

• Hala Ayala
• Kelly Fowler
• Wendy Gooditis
• Elizabeth Guzman
• Kathy Tran

Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:04, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Seeking reviewers for Natacha Rambova

Hello all, I've recently done significant work on the Natacha Rambova article, and I frankly feel it is at Featured article status at this point. I am trying to get it there so that it can potentially make it to "Featured article of the day" for January 19 (her birthdate). It is currently unranked, but I have nominated it for GA status and would love it if anyone would be interested in doing a review. She is a fascinating topic whose earlier Wiki did not do her justice. Thank you! --Drown Soda (talk) 05:30, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

WiR December highlights

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Move request for Ana Ivanovic

There is a request to move tennis icon Ana Ivanovic to Ana Ivanović. Join in if interested. Thanks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 00:53, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Women and gender issues

Hi, i've just come across the above taskforce while adding projects/workgroups to bio articles (now that i know about it i have been adding it to indian women's talkpages), just wondering why it isnt mentioned on the wp women project page?, thanks. Coolabahapple (talk) 13:05, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject

Wikipedia has many thousands of wikilinks which point to disambiguation pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of WikiProject Disambiguation have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.

A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/cgi-bin/topic_points.py?banner=WikiProject_Women

Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.— Rod ^talk 20:03, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

AfD for Matt Lauer sexual misconduct allegations

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matt Lauer sexual misconduct allegations. ^{Atsme📞📧} 00:08, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello? Is there a better way to announce this AfD? ^{Atsme📞📧} 16:41, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Definitely:)Winged Blades ^Godric 09:51, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

WP:AALERTS need some help on Community Wishlist Survey

Many of you use Article Alerts to get notified of discussions (PRODs and AfD in particular). However, due to our limit resources (one bot coder), not a whole lot of work can be done on Article Alerts to expand and maintain the bot. If the coder gets run over by a bus, then it's quite possible this tool would become unavailable in the future.

There's currently a proposal on the Community Wishlist Survey for the WMF to take over the project, and make it both more robust / less likely to crash / have better support for new features. But one of the main things is that with a full team behind Article Alerts, this could also be ported to other languages!

The benefits to Women-related projects on other Wikis would be both obvious and immense. So if you make use of Article Alerts and want to keep using it and see it ported to other languages, please go and support the proposal. And advertise it to the other WIR projects in other languages too to let them know this exists, otherwise they might miss out on this feature! Thanks in advance! Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 13:24, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

BTW, all you need to do to support is just click a button. If you want to leave a comment, that's fine too. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 19:03, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Question about bibliography for female chemistry professor

Hello everyone,

I have a question about a listing of an article bibliography for a female chemistry professor. I added an article listing for Caroline Langat Thoruwa after the page was flagged as being discussed for deletion (elsewhere), but alerted on WiR main page. You can see the revisions going back to my edits on the page. What are your thoughts/policies on listings of scientific articles for people with tenureship? I can appreciate in some ways that a dry listing of publications is not the best approach, and that they need better context such as if cited elsewhere. In some respects, I collated the bibliography in order to combat the deletion arguments. A comparative example is the page for Yingjie Jay Guo extensively lists articles, and while it has a "resume alert", the listing is still there. I haven't been editing for very long so I am grateful for your feedback and guidance.

With thanks!SunnyBoi (talk) 07:37, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

SunnyBoi it is typical to list their most important articles, if you can find a source which states what those are. In other cases, especially if there has been a name change, i.e. see Elizabeth Rona, I list ones that might not appear in a worldcat search. Maybe Rosiestep who works on writers can give you a rule of thumb? SusunW (talk) 19:07, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

SunnyBoi, I include important "Selected works", but I'm not aware of a rule. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:45, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Rosiestep SusunW Thank you SusunW and Rosiestep for your guidance, much appreciated! <3 SunnyBoi (talk) 07:54, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

BBC 100 Women

I've started a discussion on Wikipedia talk:Notability_(people)#BBC_100_Women on whether the women listed on this program are inherently notable. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:26, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

New Year's resolution: Write more articles for Women in Red!

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Comments requested

See thread at Talk:List of common misconceptions#Pencil test (breasts). Thanks! --Dennis Bratland (talk) 20:35, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Revisiting gendered categories

FYI

Wikipedia talk:Categorization#Revisiting gendered categories: Let's have a clear criterion of "has or can have a proper article" --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:18, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

It is not a !voting proposal or RfC, but a discussion draft, and has already had some constructive feedback (e.g. leading with "ghettoization" of articles was a distraction, as were suggesting statistical differences and reasons for them without providing sources). Seeking input on the overall idea.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ<  02:23, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

I never said that it was any of those things, nor did I imply that discussion should be conducted here (or anywhere other than the thread which I linked). I merely provided a link to an ongoing discussion, which is permitted under WP:MULTI and WP:APPNOTE. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:45, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Category:20th-century women politicians has been nominated for discussion

Category:20th-century women politicians and Category:21st-century women politicians, which are within the scope of this WikiProject, have been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:18, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Feburary 2018 at Women in Red

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TFAR notice

Members of this WikiProject might be interested in Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/Lady Gaga. Snuggums (talk / edits) 00:47, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Sarah Jane Brown move discussion

In case anyone is interested, Talk:Sarah Jane Brown#Requested move 8 February 2018. SarahSV ^(talk) 20:12, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

International Women's Day Oxford 2018

In case you weren't aware, Mvolz (talk · contribs) has created Wikipedia:Meetups/UK/International Women's Day Oxford 2018. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:11, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia Edit-a-Thon in Portland, Oregon: Jewish Women Artists (March 8)

Main page: Wikipedia:Meetup/Portland/Jewish Women Artists

On March 8 (International Women's Day), and as part of the Art+Feminism project, Shoshana Gugenheim and the Oregon Jewish Museum and Center for Holocaust Education will be hosting a Wikipedia edit-a-thon to create and improve articles about Jewish women artists. Click here for more information. You can also express interest or suggest article to create or improve here. Remote participation is also welcome! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:46, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Women's History Month 2018 at Women in Red

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Move discussion at C. C. H. Pounder

Please come participate in the move discussion at Talk:C. C. H. Pounder#Requested move 20 February 2018, Thank you. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 19:38, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

WP:AALERTS subscription tweak

I've made some tweaks to your WP:AALERTS subscription. It now casts a much wider net, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Women/Article alerts will report a lot more discussions (see [2] vs [3], with an extra ~25 AFDs and 1 extra FAC). Feel free to revert me if this is unwanted. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:48, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

women articles up for deletion

hi, just a heads up, as of 19:40, feb 28, there are around 90 women-related articles (and counting) up for deletion, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Women, not 63 as listed on the project page, this may be due to page update timelag? should there be a link to the deletion list added below the "Alerts" subheading (although interested editors can have it on their watchlist, which im sure all project participants do:))? ps. apologies but i was indisposed for the 1st 1/2 of Feb hence the small(?:)) no. on the list a few weeks ago but have just about caught up. Coolabahapple (talk) 19:43, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Gathering of women

Hi all; please see Category:Gathering of women - this is recently created, and has only one member page. It is very problematic in that its only parent category is itself, which is prohibited. Does anybody have any ideas as to what to do with this? Perhaps the name is a misnomer for some cat that we already have. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:54, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

I suggest a hierarchy similar to Category:Women's marches , Category:Women's marches in the United States (and other countries); then create categories to differentiate within the country by city or by year. —Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 22:51, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Remarkable admission

The NYT admits it has overlooked women in publishing obituaries. Quelle surprise! Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 01:13, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Tatev Chakhian

Could anyone help out with this young Armenian/Polish poet? I've saved her from speedy but can only find one source in English and am not certain of her notability. Thanks, Espresso Addict (talk) 22:12, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

@Espresso Addict:,I found a couple of brief references to her nomination for the "European Poet of Freedom" award, which will probably be announced at the festival this week. I added a few categories related to Armenia, but hesitated to add her to comparable Polish categories. What do you think? Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 00:12, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your help with this! I've contacted the original author but when one's intro to the encyclopedia is a speedy notification, I fear editors rarely return. Chakhian appears to be described as Armenian and (from the script!) to write in Armenian so Polish categories are probably not appropriate, unless another source describes her as that nationality. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:20, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

April 2018 at Women in Red

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Barbara Bosworth

Hello again. Would someone be able to take a look at the above and try to fix the non-encyclopedic tone. I think it was created originally in an editathon and the subject seems probably notable but the current version is a bit of a dog's breakfast. Thanks, Espresso Addict (talk) 21:49, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Can someone improve Women Thrive Worldwide?

My edits aren't exactly improvements, they were removing copyright and some unsourced material I didn't think belonged. The article has been too much hype and too little substance but looks like it very much deserves a good article. There's a new editor there, User:Doreillywomenthrive maybe with a coi, that might benefit from mentoring. Doug Weller talk 11:02, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Heather Arnet

Is anyone interested in adopting this abandoned draft? Google suggests sources might be available. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 04:55, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

This article could be a classic

I came via a historical interest to Lying-in, and thence to Postpartum confinement. You'd think the modern term encompassed a worldwide perspective, but instead it was almost solely about how the custom manifests in China. I've done what I can to expand the article, and in so doing I came across a new source, and added this:

A 2016 American book describes the difficulties of documenting these "global grandmotherly customs", but asserts that "like a golden rope connecting women from one generation to the next, the protocol of caring for the new mother by unburdening her of responsibilities and ensuring she rests and eats shows up in wildly diverse places".

It occurred to me that it is this very invisibility that might appeal to other editors here. Postpartum confinement isn't entirely unrepresented in the scholarly literature, but - as with other "women's issues" - it falls between stools. Medical anthropology? But no one is ill. Maternity hospital? But most of this takes place in the home, between relatives, uncommercialised. I've added the article to this project. Any contributions welcome. Carbon Caryatid (talk) 12:51, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Take a look

I was surprised to find that this essay is not very well written: Wikipedia:Gender bias and editing on Wikipedia. It seems pretty important. I'm starting to tidy it up but I'd like others to take a look to make sure that I'm interpreting it correctly. Best Regards, Barbara ✐  ✉ 12:28, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Nothing surprising - a one-off contribution in 2014 by an editor who has not edited before or since, with very few if any substantial edits since then by other editors. PamD 16:44, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Alright, I'll get to work. Thanks, Barbara ✐  ✉ 19:54, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

We need a category for "Women in organization x"

I just looked at Calutron Girls, Women in Bletchley Park, Women in NASA, etc. They clearly share a common theme, but there is no category uniting them. Any thoughts on that? Category:Women by organization...? That's not exactly what I mean here. Hmmm, Category:Women groups by organization...? Also not right. Help! (Also, do list any other articles that might fit in this category, I was trying to find something about a group of women in astronomy, I think... found them, Harvard Computers). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:29, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Defining slut-shaming in the lead of the Slut-shaming article

Opinions are needed on the following matter: Talk:Slut-shaming#WP:Undue weight with regard to changing the lead sentence to "people". A permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 00:37, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Women-related law journals

I recently compiled a list of all journals listed in the 18th and 19th edition of the Bluebook, available at Wikipedia:WikiProject Academic Journals/Bluebook journals. Of note to this project are the following missing journals:

• American University Journal of Gender, Social Policy & the Law
• Berkeley Women's Law Journal
• Buffalo Women's Law Journal
• Cardozo Women's Law Journal
• Columbia Journal of Gender and Law (redirects to college/law school/university)
• The Georgetown Journal of Gender and Law
• Harvard Journal of Law and Gender
• Harvard Women's Law Journal
• Hastings Women's Law Journal
• Journal of Gender, Race and Justice
• Texas Journal of Women and the Law
• UCLA Women's Law Journal
• William and Mary Journal of Women and the Law (redirects to college/law school/university)
• Wisconsin Women's Law Journal

See WP:JWG for how to create/improve those articles. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:48, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Going to ping @The Vintage Feminist here, given her previous interest in journals. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:52, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Bit busy with UK local elections, 3 May 2018 but I may look at it at some point. --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 09:39, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

AfD: Jo Pike

Discussion here. --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 10:02, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

RfC Notification

There is an RfC at the Kate Mara article talk page members of this project might interested in taking part in here. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 02:36, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Content discussion notification

There is an informal RfC/discussion at the Diamond and Silk article talk page found here that members of this project might interested in taking part in. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 02:11, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

New WikiProject proposal on parenting

I would appreciate your input on Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals/Parenting. Cheers! Mvolz (talk) 08:19, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

May 2018 at Women in Red

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Category:Kentucky women by occupation has been nominated for discussion

Category:Kentucky women by occupation, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion.. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:04, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Vital Articles

I recently found out that there are now Vital Articles Level 5. These are subjects that ultimately should have featured articles. As the list is still being compiled, now might be a good time to make sure the list includes appropriate articles on women. I hope interested editors will take a look. Knope7 (talk) 21:25, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

I see no list of criteria or how the determination of who to include or not include is being made. Looking at various categories, I see very few women, but without knowing the criteria, it is impossible to judge the entries. SusunW (talk) 23:01, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

I vaguely remember reading the term "vital articles" somewhere, but it didn't stay in my brain long. WikiProject Vital Articles seems to have been around since 2009, but as with all wiki projects, I'm not sure how active it is. However, from what I have experienced on numerous review processes, such a thing can be very subjective, dependent on the nominator and the reviewer(s). That said ... I have no idea what "vital article" really means. Vital to whom? — Maile (talk) 23:42, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

From the Level 5 page: "This is a currently incomplete list of 50,000 subjects for which Wikipedia should ultimately have featured-class articles. It expands on Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded, which lists 10,000 articles. This list is in the process of being created. Everyone is welcome to participate. If you see an article that you think should be included, then add it to the list. If you're unsure, then you can propose it on the talk page."

This list is tailored to the English-language Wikipedia. There is also a list of ten thousand articles considered vital to Wikipedias of all languages, as well as Vital Article lists tailored to different Wikipedia languages accessible via the languages sidebar."
I think it's just about identifying the 50,000 top articles that you would expect to see covered in an encyclopedia. The criteria is definitely vague. This is definitely something that is active now. Knope7 (talk) 00:04, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Maile66 Exactly! Without criteria, it is a popularity contest, not really an evaluation of what articles are critical for an understanding of the topic. Thus, one gets a whole bunch of famous people who may or may not be reflective of the scope of who/what scholars believe are critical. SusunW (talk) 00:46, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Well SusunW, so this project, and ones like it, are in the process of creating the vital articles. Maybe the most vital of all is yet to be written, about some woman not yet highlighted. Or, people can add/improve via the list Knope7 has brought to our attention. I have always thought it's a good idea to work on getting women's articles to GA or FAC. A Featured Article on the main page is a very nice exposure. — Maile (talk) 01:06, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Maile66 I've barely got a grasp on GA and think I am no where near tackling a FA. But we shall see. SusunW (talk) 05:44, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

RfC Notification

There is an RfC at the Diamond and Silk talk page found here that members of this project might interested in taking part in. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 03:33, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

"She gave him a son"

I recently come across an article that used the phrase "she gave him three sons" in reference to a queen and king. This struck me as extremely sexist and paternally-orientated wording. Anyway, it seems like this type of phrasing is very common on Wikipedia and I think it's something people here may be interested in combating. Do you agree that it's sexist or am I being overly sensitive? Jason Quinn (talk) 19:43, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

@Jason Quinn: I agree that it's sexist. For examples, see "She gave him a son", "She gave him a daughter", "She gave him two sons", and so on. SarahSV ^(talk) 20:54, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Total agreement it is not only sexist but inhumane. Depending upon the time frame, legally the child (or his wife) may indeed have been a possession, but in this time, we typically frown on owning others. SusunW (talk) 21:41, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

That may be true and this is definitely something that needs to be considered. I suspect in most cases the offending phrases that indicate possession can be easily re-worded in a way that avoid suggesting possession while still capturing the intended meaning of the sentence. For example, instead of "and she gave him two sons", the phrase "and they had two sons" or "and they together had two sons" functions the same. Only in specific scenarios might the sexist wording be necessary. Jason Quinn (talk) 16:36, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Invitation

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Mvolz (talk) 16:47, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Women in Red June Editathons

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WikiProject collaboration notice from the Portals WikiProject

The reason I am contacting you is because there are one or more portals that fall under this subject, and the Portals WikiProject is currently undertaking a major drive to automate portals that may affect them.

Portals are being redesigned.

The new design features are being applied to existing portals.

At present, we are gearing up for a maintenance pass of portals in which the introduction section will be upgraded to no longer need a subpage. In place of static copied and pasted excerpts will be self-updating excerpts displayed through selective transclusion, using the template {{Transclude lead excerpt}}.

The discussion about this can be found here.

Maintainers of specific portals are encouraged to sign up as project members here, noting the portals they maintain, so that those portals are skipped by the maintenance pass. Currently, we are interested in upgrading neglected and abandoned portals. There will be opportunity for maintained portals to opt-in later, or the portal maintainers can handle upgrading (the portals they maintain) personally at any time.

Background

On April 8th, 2018, an RfC ("Request for comment") proposal was made to eliminate all portals and the portal namespace. On April 17th, the Portals WikiProject was rebooted to handle the revitalization of the portal system. On May 12th, the RfC was closed with the result to keep portals, by a margin of about 2 to 1 in favor of keeping portals.

There's an article in the current edition of the Signpost interviewing project members about the RfC and the Portals WikiProject.

Since the reboot, the Portals WikiProject has been busy building tools and components to upgrade portals.

So far, 84 editors have joined.

If you would like to keep abreast of what is happening with portals, see the newsletter archive.

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Discussion at Talk:Jane Seymour (actress)#Nationality in lede

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Jane Seymour (actress)#Nationality in lede. 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 05:05, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Abandoned drafts on women

I've recently postponed G13 deletion on the following drafts about women, if anyone is interested in adopting them:

• Draft:Marie F. Court Vazquez (Puerto Rican artist)
• Draft:Marianne Fassler (South African fashion designer)
• Draft:Maria Roscoe (née Fletcher) (Victorian author)
• Draft:Maria Eklund (Russian conductor)
• Draft:Maraea Rakuraku (Maori author)
• Draft:Gu Byeong-mo (South Korean writer)
• Draft:Thania Paffenholz (German academic)
• Draft:Ellen Ceisler (American judge)

Thanks, Espresso Addict (talk) 03:31, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Featured Article review

I have nominated KaDee Strickland for a Wikipedia:Featured article review/KaDee Strickland/archive1 as the article has not been properly updated since its promotion as a featured article back in 2005. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Aoba47 (talk) 22:05, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Women in movies

hi all, having a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eugenia Leigh it occurred to me that maybe movies that have women in a starring/leading/significant role may be a part of this project (like books written/illustrated by women belong to women writers/artists projecsts), or am i drawing a long bow? ps. apologies if this has been covered by previous discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 06:36, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

We cover works by women (broadly construed). To my mind that would be written by, directed by, produced by a woman, or maybe even named after. Not so sure about the acted in part—the actress if there is sufficient notability would be part of the project, but acting in a movie, directed, written and produced by a man, doesn't seem to fit, to me. However, that is simply my logic which could be totally flawed ;) SusunW (talk) 22:15, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Women in Green – call for participants

Hello all – I'd like to invite you to join Women in Green, WikiProject Women's article improvement department. The department has not been an active project in the past, but we are now working on kickstarting new collaborative work between editors to improve existing articles about women and women's works. If this sounds like something you're interested in, please add your name to Women in Green's list of active participants! You can check out more details of our discussions so far on the Women in Green talk page, plus our collaboration proposal here. Alanna the Brave (talk) 23:42, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Help improve?

I was wondering if anyone could help improve the article Women and Documentary Film. It's up for deletion and I've done a major overhaul to it. I think that there's definite potential here and at the very least the current work could be merged into an existing article (women in film? documentary films?), but I wanted to see if I could breathe some life into this. If it's going to be deleted, I wanted to see if I could rescue it first. For full disclosure, this was created by a Wiki Ed student in one of the classes I oversaw this past semester. ReaderofthePack (｡◕‿◕｡) 15:01, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Hmm I would also vote for deletion, despite all the references, because this is not actually a thing. You can talk about the women, and you can talk about the gender problem, but you can't just make a Wikipedia page about a specific intersection of "occupation+gender" unless it is based on some specific book or media story. We also don't have "Emerging Communities and Documentary Film" or "First Nations people and Documentary Film". If you want to revise the page to make it about "2017 study by San Diego University’s Center for the Study of Women in Television and Film", then that study has to have significant press coverage itself. Jane (talk) 16:41, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

NPOV/N discussion

A discussion is underway at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard#Definition of "trans woman" that may be of interest to participants in this WikiProject. Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 02:51, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

July 2018 at Women in Red

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Discussions on gender neutral language

Are taking place at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style and the Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)‎. Doug Weller talk 16:44, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Discussion at Laura Ingraham

There is a discussion at the Laura Ingraham talk page found here that members of this project might be interested in taking part in. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 01:03, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

HELP WANTED

For a number of years we have been experiencing a steady decline in the number of administrators as a result of attrition and a declining number of editors willing to consider adminship. Things have reached a point where we are starting to experience chronic backlogs in important areas of the project including noticeboards, requests for closure, SPI, CSD & etc. If you are an experienced editor with around two years (or more) of tenure, 10k edits give or take and no record of seriously disruptive behavior, please consider if you might be willing to help out the community by becoming an administrator. The community can only function as well as we all are willing to participate. If you are interested start by reading WP:MOP and WP:RFAADVICE. Then go to WP:ORCP and open a discussion. Over the next few days experienced editors will take a look at your record and let you know what they think your chances are of passing RfA (the three most terrifying letters on Wikipedia) as well as provide you with feedback on areas that might be of concern and how to prepare yourself. Lastly you can find a list of experienced editors who may be willing to nominate you here. Thank you and happy editing... [Note:This page may not be on my watchlist so if you want to reply to me, please either ping me or drop me a line on my talk page.] -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:46, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Bimbo

Opinions are needed on the following matter: Talk:Bimbo#Definition for the WP:Lead sentence. A permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 16:31, 4 July 2018 (UTC)