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uBLP barnstar request

Hi, at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Unreferenced_Biographies_of_Living_Persons#Done_and_to_do we have a request for a barnstar we can give out to projects and individuals who have helped reference our backlog of unreferenced BLPs. It would also be useful to have some sort of campaign medal for people who have referenced more than a certain number of unreferenced BLPs. Any one feeling creative out there? ϢereSpielChequers 14:16, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Retouched from citation and BLP barmstars. Would have thought it was unnecessary but since it came out of the BLP RfC 3 I'm making one. Kayau Voting IS evil 05:01, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Kayau, much appreciated. ϢereSpielChequers 05:31, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Barnstars 2.0

Greetings colleagues! I'm running a project to remaster all major barnstars in Wikipedia. Some samples:

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What is your opinion on this idea?
P.S. If you want me to remaster your barnstar, you can submit a request on my talk page. Antonu (talk) 09:47, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Ooooooh, shiny! One thing - the correct admin barnstar is this. ~NerdyScienceDude (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 12:59, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I prefer the old rugged look of the barnstars. I believe their charm lies in their realistic, worn look. Despite all the effort you have spent on these, I don't think this is the right direction. I have no opposition for these being voluntary .svg alternatives though. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 13:11, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments. I propose to express an opinion in the form of voting. Upgrade. Or Keep old versions.

• Upgrade. I think that new barnstars look much better :) Hope you like them too :)

P.S. about the admin barnstar: you'r right! The point is that Admin Barnstar is the remastering of russian version of the that brnstar. But I'm planning to remaster english version too ;) Antonu (talk) 13:47, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, Wikipedia is not a vote, you can hold a straw poll if you wish. Note that you have resized the originals from their intended sizes and thus blurred many of them them, so it is non-objective to compare them side by side at 120px. You need to show the originals at the sizes they appear in the barnstar templates. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 14:14, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Do also note that at least 1 image is incorrectly licensed, for example, File:Premium Reviewer Barnstar Hires.png, which you release in public domain although it is composite from File:Nuvola apps kpdf.png, which is under GNU. Also, any particular reason you did not upload to Commons? —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 14:33, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, you should use the CommonSense tool to make sure you aren't making mistakes, Antonu. Kayau Voting IS evil 14:37, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

A lot of the barnstars look completely different from the originals, such as the thinking guy, the rosetta stone and the atom. Can they be made closer? Also I think a lot of users prefer the old versions, especially since it's a PD star from meatball IIRC. We should do a village pump proposal for this IMHO. Maybe even a meta proposal since barnstars are used in many wmf projects. Kayau Voting IS evil 14:36, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

• With Restraint. Remastering some of the Barnstars seems like a good idea, but some of them need to stay how they are, such as the Original Barnstar. Mainly, I think only the ones that look bad currently (such as the old Atom barnstar and invisible barnstar) should be changed. I like the rugged look. Let's keep these SVG versions though, maybe make an alternate template syntax for these barnstars that will change the image to these versions, and list both images on WP:BARN. Quinxorin (talk) 01:25, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

• Upgrade most- some of your edits are significant improvements; however, the original barnstar being the original barnstar, should stay the way it is. Also, I quite liked the old emoticons for the good humour barnstar and the other one with the smiley face. And the old rosetta stone one was good as well. And also- the AfC one has been designed specifically for the project based on things the project uses, so that one probably should not be changed. But most of the others, I will support. {{Sonia|ping|enlist}} 07:02, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
• Upgrade, but shouldn't the new Wikipedia logo be used in these? --Yair rand (talk) 09:26, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
• Keep old versions If these really were SVG versions I would say to offer either alternative, but they're not: they're just very large PNGs. And if we're going to keep PNGs, I prefer the "rugged" look of the current images. Anomie⚔ 11:07, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
  • Are you sure? I think they are the kind of pngs that can be scaled, though I know very little about this stuff. Kayau Voting IS evil 12:17, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
    • PNG is a raster format, while SVG is a vector format.
      --Gyrobo (talk) 13:14, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
      • To clarify for Kayau: A vector format image is specified in terms of "draw this shape here, draw that shape there, etc". A raster format image is specified in terms of "the first pixel is this color, the second pixel is this color, the third pixel is this color, etc". To scale a raster image, you have to guess what each pixel in the scaled image should be based on the pixels near the corresponding location in the original. Depending on the relative sizes and the quality of your guesser, that can give good results or can be blurry or jagged. To scale a vector image, you just draw the various shapes bigger or smaller, no guessing required so everything remains sharp and straight. Anomie⚔ 14:53, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
        • Thanks. Though I still haven't decided whether we should change... Kayau Voting IS evil 14:56, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
• Keep old versions per Anomie. Of course the new ones like nice and smooth - they're 40x the size (KB-wise) of the old ones, and H3llkn0wz is right too - it's a faulty comparison to render them all at 120px when the old versions aren't made that big to begin with, since they're intended to render at 100px. VernoWhitney (talk) 12:31, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
• Keep old versions. I'm voting this way only because I believe that each one of the new barnstars should be discussed separately, instead of being either approved/rejected in bulk. I also have a few comments:
  1. If a new barnstar design receives consensus, that image should be uploaded as a new version of the image already in the barnstar; the template(s) should not be changed.
  2. The images being compared are the wrong sizes, as others have mentioned, most of the barnstars should be at 100px.
  3. If the replacement images are still raster PNGs, there's no real benefit to replacing the old barnstar image. In fact, the new images may be worse, because they must be scaled down and that introduces the possibility of compression artefacts.
  4. Some of these barnstars are for Wikiprojects and any discussion about replacement should involve that project.
     --Gyrobo (talk) 13:14, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

I made 110px size. Its actual minimum of the old barnstars versions. Actually its even 111px. Antonu (talk) 15:13, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Note: The Chinese Wikipedia and English Wikinews have been notified at the miscellaneous village pump and miscellaneous water cooler respectively. Kayau Voting IS evil 15:07, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Some of these are clear improvements; but I find the rosetta barnstar and the gold barnstar in particular to be worse in the new versions, before even considering the sentimental value of the old "rugged" look. HereToHelp ^{(talk to me)} 15:40, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

• (ec HereToHelp) Upgrade, but keep the old ones as an option. I like the shiny looks of the remastered ones, but they should be optional. I would like the ability to use the old ones, even if these get implemented. ~NerdyScienceDude (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 15:44, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

• Keep old versions and offer .svg as alternatives. I wish you had done these changes and upgrades using the existing "rugged" barnstar instead. You clearly have talent and motivation for this. Also, per Anomie, these are not truly .svg`s; did you upload .png copies and can you upload the originals instead? And finally, most of these do have to be discussed with Wikiprojects and such, as they were agreed upon that way. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 16:30, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

• [I'm a wikinewsie] Good job on some excellent work there. However I'd prefer that we just keep two versions, newer awards could use the new version (or old, whatever the person giving the awards prefers). Awards currently in existence could use the old version. As for making them svg's, that'd be great if possible. Cheers. Bawolff (talk) 17:11, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
• Many of these new stars rather than being graphic improvements, such as cleaning up blurry edges and details to make them sharp, are illustration revamps, so you are mixing two approaches. I feel each star should be addressed on an individual basis for improvements. I think the intentions are good, but the method isn't necessarily the best way to go about this. As for the SVG questions being tossed around, these new stars appear to be vector-based in origin, likely created in Illustrator. If that is indeed the case, then exporting SVG versions to be displayed here will be a nonissue without altering the appearance. dtgriffith (talk) 17:21, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

• Several of the new ones are worse. old File:Barnstar Eraser.png is clearly a better representation than File:Eraser Barnstar Hires.png ; File:Rosetta Barnstar.png is more visually appealing than File:Rosetta Barnstar Hires.png ; File:WikiLinkBarnstar.PNG is clearer and less ugly than File:WikiLink Barnstar Hires.png ; File:Barnstar-RoyaltyNobility.png is clearer and has much better contrast than File:Royalty Barnstar Hires.png ; 76.66.195.196 (talk) 21:57, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

• Personally I don't see reason to change much of them. Some of the changes are a clear improvement, most seem to just be minor changes though. Personally I don't see why we need SVGs, they're almost always going to be used at one size, so scaling doesn't matter much. But if they are PNGs, they should be optimized at and uploaded using the "normal" size (which appears to be 111x107). There's no reason to have them so large. Mr.Z-man 22:39, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
  • Most barnstar images are 111px as a remnant of the original barnstar being 111px; and almost all images derived from that are mostly 111px. The actual barnstar templates use 100px images, which is what matters. If anything, the current barnstars should be professionally resized to be crisp and clear at the 100px size. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 22:49, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
• I much prefer the old barnstars. Immunize _{Contact me} Contributions 22:54, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
• Upgrade the newer ones are much better. But the the anti vandalism and special barnstar should not be upgraded. Thanks, --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 00:15, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Philosophy, WikiProject LGBT, and WikiProject Classical Music have been notified. A notice has been put on the talk page of the AfC and the main page as well. Kayau Voting IS evil 01:45, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

• Out with the old, in with the new....except keep the original how it was, cause, well it's the original. CTJF83 chat 02:19, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
• I say that Yes to Upgrade. GamerPro64 (talk) 02:41, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
• Comment: I would like to see versions of File:Business and Economics Barnstar Hires.png, File:Science Barnstar Hires.png, File:Articles for Creation Barnstar Hires.png, and File:Philosophy Barnstar Hires.png using more photorealistic imagery, including the original barnstar image.
  --Gyrobo (talk) 02:50, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
• The new ones look so...plastic, and fake. The old ones have character, and I don't care for many of the stylistic changes either. Eldaran (talk) 06:34, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
• Upgrade for a refreshed look that will match the recent skin change. —fetch•comms 13:29, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
• Upgrade I like the new ones, besides better quality. -- /DeltaQuad|Notify Me\ 13:48, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
• Prefer the older ones. Eusebeus (talk) 14:01, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
• Hate to put too fine a point to it, but the old ones look like weathered metal and the new ones look like cheap plastic. —chaos5023 (talk) 21:32, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
• Some of them are improvements but for the majority I prefer the original. -- œ^™ 10:35, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
• I agree exactly with OlEnglish: for a few of them, the update looks good, especially the ones with icons that clash with the weathered look. But for most of them, the original has much more character.--ragesoss (talk) 14:00, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

comment I think most supporters and opposers here are using WP:LIKE and WP:IDL. Kayau Voting IS evil 14:03, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, they are. But those are partially valid in this case, as we are talking about aesthetic design of non-article space awards. Although consistency, image sizes, format, and licenses, previous award design discussion, and project specific discussion should also be taken into account. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 14:11, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

This isn't an WP:AfD CTJF83 chat 16:09, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

close. It seems to me that we are about evenly split. Perhaps we should go with the compromise idea of allowing editors to pick which one they wish to use. Who agrees? --Quinxorin (talk) 15:13, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

I think that sounds fine, since editors can always make up their own custom awards regardless. VernoWhitney (talk) 16:05, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Great compromise. CTJF83 chat 16:09, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Maybe we could create new templates that use the new ones, and then mention the alternate ones in the main barnstar page. ~NerdyScienceDude (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 16:43, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

More options ='s good. The old awards are better for old guard Wikipedian's who feel worn down by the growth/changes over time, while the professional look of the new stuff is stellar and fits the increasing polish of our content, policies and people. - RoyBoy 16:46, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Example made. I performed this on The Editor's Barnstar. Users need only add "|alt" to the end of their subst: template to change the image to the new version. I have coded it in such a way that it should not break any barnstars which were transcluded rather than substituted. A comparison can be seen on this page.

I have created an easy-to-use template to add the alternate option to a barnstar, {{subst:Barnalt}}. See the documentation page for usage. Quinxorin (talk) 02:46, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose replacement per chaos5023, the new ones look like cheap plastic. The only improvement I can see is by the two barnstars (anime, philosophy) where the square background has been removed for more consistency. --Elekhh (talk) 22:18, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Comment. Some of the new ones look better, some the originals have more character, and some I'd have no issues with either. I think it should be up to the project concerned to take a view on each one that affects them - rather than imposing a new set across the board. So, I suggest you make them available via the relevant projects to make use of or not as they see fit. [Also, I think you have the two at the end of row 4 the wrong way round.[User:MishMich|Mish]] (talk) 23:25, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

• I've started the process of allowing alternate versions via substitution of the {{barnalt}} template, as discussed above. Barnstars which have alternate versions enabled are listed at Category:Barnstars with alternate version. Help would be appreciated, but be sure to read the barnalt template documentation. --Quinxorin (talk) 04:35, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Done. I have now completed alternating all barnstars listed on WP:BARN which have an alternate version here, except for the Original Barnstar. I did not alt it because consensus seems to be that that barnstar should be left alone. This took a lot of work. Note that a few barnstars here have not have their templates changed because they are not located at WP:BARN. --Quinxorin (talk) 05:42, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Something's wrong with The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar, and it happened after your edit to it. I don't know enough about it to fix it. –dffgd 20:10, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong with it; can you clarify? User:Kayau/General_sandbox#Mary had a little lamb Kayau Voting IS evil 01:54, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Did that fix it for you? Anomie⚔ 02:37, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, thanks. –dffgd 22:11, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

• . The old ones look like brass barn stars, the new ones like brown plastic. While the improvement of all the overlays and icons is great, the original star should remain. OrangeDog (τ • ε) 12:04, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
• I'm opposed to a general review, each barnstar change needs separate discussion. ϢereSpielChequers 06:19, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Barnstars of National Merit

before	after	before	after	before	after

I continue my work on the remastering of WikiBarnstars. Currently working on High-resolution versions of barnstars of national merit. I want to discuss with respected colleagues on the following issues:

• Flag to the top of the Barnstar should be portrait or landscape orientation? How it should be according to the rules of heraldry?
• It is worth-whether to impose special effect of tissue on the flag or not? Perhaps the barnstar with that effect is more realistic, but the color of the flag more dim. What do you think about it? Antonu (talk) 14:08, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
• Upgrade, but keep the old ones as an option per the barnstar discussion. ~NerdyScienceDude (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 14:03, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
• Provide as alternatives like above. The realistic/platic issue should be even more prominent here. Although the original quality is really lacking, these would look best with a realistic star, ribbon, and frame.—  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 14:09, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
• Let the Projects decide. Each project should decide whether they want to use the new or old version as their barnstar. Either way (unless the project decides otherwise), we should keep whichever one they choose not to use as an alternate version. Also, many countries have specific rules for the display of their flags, and the usage of their colors on ribbons, and the flags in the Barnstars of National Merit should try to follow those rules. For example, the old American ribbon is far more correct than the new one, though it technically is still inaccurate (it should be a much thinner blue line and no stars displayed, or possibly 13 stars). --Quinxorin (talk) 00:02, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Environment barnstar

Current: at {{The Environmental Barnstar}}

How 's this one? --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 08:44, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

The earth in the centre doesn't stand out, comparing to the old one. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 11:53, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

How about: -or-  ? —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 20:58, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Much better. sonia^♫♪ 21:58, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Support the one by Hellknowz as primary. The one pointed out by Extra999 is a Barnstar 2.0, support making that one alt. ~NerdyScienceDude (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 22:33, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Support. I really like Hellknowz' star.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Quinxorin (talk • contribs) 00:09, July 8, 2010

Oppose The earth at the centre is too, too big. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 11:27, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Added alternative with smaller earth. Though I prefer the larger one. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 11:36, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Now support the alternate. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 11:37, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Support bigger one - dunno, it's just a WP:LIKE but, I think it's neater. Kayau Voting IS evil 13:37, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Support I like H3llkn0wz' star. Fridae'§Doom | Talk to me 11:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

 Done Replaced. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 09:28, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Please save the alternate 2.0 also. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 11:40, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

I am really unsure how. Quinxorin did all the alternatives before and templates, I think it's better he does so here too. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 11:46, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Asked Quinxorin on his talk page. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 11:52, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Done. I thought I made the instructions at Template:barnalt fairly detailed and easy, though. You should try your hand at it at the practice page. -Quinxorin (talk) 18:46, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

The Welcomer's Barnstar

A barnstar for users and welcoming committee members who exhibit zeal in welcoming new users. Ideas? Fridae'§Doom | Talk to me 06:58, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

I've proposed one around last July, and it didn't pass. Kayau Voting IS evil 07:06, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

But, we should try once again. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 08:34, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree that we should give it another shot. Fridae'§Doom | Talk to me 11:18, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Please accept. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 17:20, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Pokébarnstar

AFor exceedingly good Pokébutions, you may be awarded this Pokébarnstar!

This has existed for quite some time, is there any particular reason it does not exist as a template and in the list of topical barnstars, or may I set about correcting the omission? --WikidSmaht (talk) 23:53, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

It does exist as {{Barnstar Pokémon}} (which doesn't appear to be listed anywhere), and the image is also at Wikipedia:Personal user awards in the very first row. VernoWhitney (talk) 00:51, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Upgrade of some barnstars

Seeing that many (original) barnstars are in a quite dire shape, I'll start upgrading one or two of the more important ones.—  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 16:02, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

What a Brilliant Idea Barnstar

{{What a Brilliant Idea Barnstar}}

Basically — sharper star and light-bulb, a bit of volume with edge shadow, and optionally a shadow by star. Not sure if the big shadow is needed, but it would fit the "light theme" with the bulb.—  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 16:02, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

• Far right with the cast shadow looks good. Also consider the star would be illuminated by the bulb if it were casting that shadow – the shadow contrast on the star details would be minimized. dtgriffith ^[talk] 16:06, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
  • OK, that makes sense, illuminated more and removed contrast.—  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 16:17, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
• The cast shadow makes the star look like it's standing up on a table or other flat surface, as opposed to being hung on the "wall" which IMO would make more sense. Anomie⚔ 16:39, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

• I agree and prefer it without the shadow, given the origin of Barnstars. I do like the improvement. VernoWhitney (talk) 17:12, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

• Support the one without the shadow. ~NerdyScienceDude (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 20:02, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
  • I agree. The shadow makes the barnstar seem a bit haunting, rather than intelligent.--Quinxorin (talk) 00:16, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
• Support the one without the shadow per NSD. Kayau Voting IS evil 06:15, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
• Support The one without shadow per NSD and Kayau. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 11:25, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

 Done Replaced.—  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 10:32, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

The Barnstar of Diplomacy

{{Diplomacy Barnstar}}

Essentially sharpened the star and anti-aliased the background logo, vivider colours.—  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 18:49, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Support. Overwrite the old image. --Quinxorin (talk) 00:15, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree, support. ~NerdyScienceDude (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 01:18, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Oppose unnecessary change.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kayau (talk • contribs) 06:15, July 8, 2010

Unnecessary how? The original is blurry, logo is pixelated.—  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 06:57, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Reply Fixing the blur and stuff like that is Barnstars 2.0's job; IMHO there is no point in doing it for regular barnstars. Kayau Voting IS evil 13:34, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

I thought "Barnstars 2.0"'s job was to make cheap-plastic-looking barnstars. I support H3llkn0wz's work. Anomie⚔ 13:45, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

support, is much better imo. sonia^♫♪ 07:09, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Support See no reason for Kayau's statment. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 11:25, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Support Looks cleaner and sharper. Nothing wrong with this sort of basic graphical improvement. I am happy to see this approach being undertaken. It's one more thing I would love to do if I had enough time. dtgriffith ^[talk] 22:57, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

 Done Replaced.

Civility Award

{{CivilityAward}}

→ -or-

Clean star and anti-aliased, drop shadowed cup. Two versions - one with sleeker (plastic) cup and another rougher (ceramic) cup. I prefer the later, but in spirit of choice and preview, uploading both. Should vapour be more visible? —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 19:12, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

• Support the ceramic cup. Leave the sleeker cup to the alt 2.0 barnstar. ~NerdyScienceDude (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 20:05, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Support. I like either of the two new ones. Much better than the first. Because the main change is to fix the fuzzy star in the back, I recommend updating the old image with the new one, thereby changing previously given barnstars, as was done with The Copyeditor's Barnstar. I would darken the green, however. --Quinxorin (talk) 00:14, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
    • Made it slightly darker.—  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 07:04, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
• Support the second per NSD. Kayau Voting IS evil 06:15, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
• Support The sleeker one. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 11:25, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Please take the decision fast, probably the ceramic cup better as three-fourth prefer it. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 11:50, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

3 out of 4 people is still very few for a reasonable consensus. Also, there is no deadline here, I don't see why the decision has to be made fast. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 12:08, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar Barnstar

{{Barnstar Barnstar}}

This is a minor one — removed artifacts from scaled star's edge and made the small star consistently sharp with the large one. My altered barnstar image is different from original, so I'm also uploading the fixed version with the original star. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 07:49, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

• Support The last image. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 11:25, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

• Support the one in the middle. Wow, Hellknowz, you're pretty good at tweaking barnstars. Are you a WP:GL regular? Kayau Voting IS evil 13:44, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh, hey, there's a graphics lab on WP? And thanks. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 19:46, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

• Middle œ^™ 15:57, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

• Support the middle one. ~NerdyScienceDude (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 01:50, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose I think the 3D look makes the barnstar look bad. -Quinxorin (talk) 05:46, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Reply the middle one is not 3D. That's why so many people support it. Kayau Voting IS evil 13:39, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
    • He might be meaning the drop shadow.—  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 14:43, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
      • Might be something with my eye but I think the shadow is thinner in the middle one... In any case, it does not look very 3D to me! Kayau Voting IS evil 15:01, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

 Done Replaced with less 3D-y, reduced shadow. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 09:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

New barnstar

Can anybody make a Bihar Barnstar. Maye by rounding off or any image that you like, but not the one like the BoNM. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 17:36, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

UN Barnstar? US Barnstar?

Wikipedia, I was thinking. Why don't we have barnstars for the United Nations or the United States. Many other nations have their own barnstars and the European Union has its own, so why not give one to people who have helped with UN or American articles? Snowman304 (talk) 12:57, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

And India Barnstar also. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 14:27, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

If there's anyone who should create an Indian Barnstar, it's you, Extra999. :) We already have a US barnstar. Kayau Voting IS evil 00:47, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

 Done Antonu (talk) 10:14, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Antonu, you should provide old ones for India and UN, because not everyone like Barnstars 2.0. Kayau Voting IS evil 10:28, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

There is an India barnstar provided above but there is no blue chakra (wheel) in the between in that picture. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 11:13, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

:( But I don't know how to create a barnstar plus there is problem on my account that I cannot upload pictures. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 11:15, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

You can ask Antonu to upload one. Kayau Voting IS evil 11:14, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

I can't understand what you mean by but please know that it's for the 2.0 not for the 2.0 and for the old one in BoNM section above. So Antonu may not be able to upload that one. (Probably you may do it) --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 11:23, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

I think we're having a problem here. What are you trying to say? I'm finding it harder and harder to make sense of what you're trying to say. In any case, AFAIK there is no UN Barnstar 1.0, and Antonu should upload one if there really isn't. Kayau Voting IS evil 02:38, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Mabye tell Helloknoz to upload both the barns it better because I think Antonu has very few responsibilities of 1.0. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 02:00, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Um... why don't you ask him? Kayau Voting IS evil 02:03, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Asked him on his talk page. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 02:17, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Um, I'm not at home currently and I don't have a proper mouse, only touchpad. And when I'm home, I don't have internet. But I'll see what I can do. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 08:16, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do about it, but Hellknowz will probably do a much better job. sonia^♫♪ 03:52, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

How's this? It was a very quick hack-job, but I can refine it if you guys like it. I also have an EU one, but I haven't uploaded that. sonia^♫♪ 03:15, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Sonia, you obviously overlooked the way I striked through 'India'. It's already got a 1.0 one. See? (Aw, that pinyin input is annoying.) Kayau Voting IS evil 06:09, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Yours does look much better, though. Kayau Voting IS evil 06:10, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Cool. That was a quick ten mins' work, I'm actually a little bit dismayed by how bad the connection between the barnstar and the hanging thing is. I'll fix that and give the ribbon a little more 3D shading within the next week. sonia^♫♪ 06:23, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

tHANKS. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 11:06, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Those are quite nice. I didn't think anyone would get on that so fast. Snowman304 (talk) 11:20, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

I've got the template I used intact, so any other similar barnstars would take about 2 minutes to make... sonia♫ 11:26, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar distributor award

What about this idea? --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 11:28, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

probably not. Kayau Voting IS evil 11:32, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Maybe invisible barnstar could be used --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 03:40, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar for WP:VPC WP:FA

Can anyone create a barnstar for WP:VPC. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 12:12, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Maye a barnstar with the flag and the original barnstar hanging down, like the BoNMs. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 17:37, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Do we really need one? Because if we do, then we might be making one for FT, GT, FL, FP, etc. Kayau Voting IS evil 05:19, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Maybe combined for FP and VP, GA and FA, FL and FT. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 05:27, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

FL and FT? you must be kidding! :) Kayau Voting IS evil 05:37, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Not really, they exist and they need one. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 06:49, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Kayau meant combining FL and FT, those are quite different. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 07:13, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

I knew that, but they are not so common so we don't need them until and unless a request comes up. Anyone create those two please. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 07:27, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

VPC is closed, so there's no barnstar then. Kayau Voting IS evil 11:07, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

GA and FA. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 11:14, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

GA and FA - like DYK and ITN, both have their own methods and manner of notification and "awards". They get to display stars, there's userboxes, etc. Unless you're proposing a Barnstar for "reaching 100 FA's" or something huge, then it's a mere duplicaton of the recognition already provided. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 11:24, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Okay --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 11:38, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Note:VPC has been reopened but is in the mild of controversies. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 10:55, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

The Barnstar for giving a lot of Barnstars Barnstar

The Barnstar for giving a lot of Barnstars Barnstar. Not sure what photo to include with it though. Battleaxe9872 ^Talk 21:56, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Please see #Barnstar distributor award. Thanks Kayau Voting IS evil 02:22, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Not a good idea. Barnstars are rewards for encyclopaedic contributions, and contributions to projects/organisation. See archives. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 19:10, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

As barnstars have no specific set criteria, having an award for giving lots of them out could mean that someone is just sending them out willy-nilly. It encourages the poor use of barnstars, although it does have a slight positive. Unfortunately, the - outweighs the + (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 11:27, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Invisible barnstar? --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 10:56, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Suggestion

I have created this award for a specific user who seemed to deserve more recognition than any single barnstar could convey. While I am fine transcluding it when and where I may see appropriate I would offer it for a broader consideration and perhaps inclusion on this page.

		The Barn itself
		It is said The Barn itself may be awarded to Wikipedians whose contributions encompass the merit of numerous barnstars. That being so, I see none more befitting this barn than you! My76Strat 00:04, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

What about Template:The Multiple Barnstar? Cheers Kayau Voting IS evil 05:22, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Agree with Kayau, plus the image is also no where suitable. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 11:17, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Well I offered it for consideration, and it apparently was considered. Therefor thanks. My76Strat 20:05, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Your bringing it for consideration is appreciated - although the idea's good, there's already something along the lines of it. You're always welcome to use it occasionally yourself as a personal award. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 20:12, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Human Rights & Liberty

I noticed that two barnstars seem very similar. One is the Barnstar of Liberty and the other is the Human Rights Barnstar. They both cover the same topic, so why not just have one? Snowman304 (talk) 16:58, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Plant-related barnstar

I couldn't find a barnstar for plant and botany-related contributions, but there are several images on the commons for one:

Personally, I like the third one the best. --Gyrobo (talk) 23:40, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

• I don't like the first one, because it includes a butterfly, which has to do with a plant. The second one doesn't look very good. The third looks pretty good. I think I would like the fourth the best if the plant was in front of the barnstar, but since it isn't, I have to go with the third. -Quinxorin (talk) 03:32, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

• I like the second because it reminds me of the five pillars. I'd like to know what others think, though. Kayau Voting IS evil 05:20, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

• I like the third and fourth one. I couldn't make out on these two. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 11:30, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
• I think the third one looks the best. ~NerdyScienceDude (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 13:29, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
• I thought the butterfly was a purple flower. Now I see it.
  --Gyrobo (talk) 14:16, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

• As a side note, User:RichardOwen97 has proposed a plant one before, but he did not realise that it was a copyright violation, so User:Kingpin13 marked it for deletion. I'm surprised that nobody remembers. Kayau Voting IS evil 13:54, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

• A previous discussion took place at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Plants/Archive37#Ugently required - a WikiProject Barnstar, but no action was taken.
  --Gyrobo (talk) 14:34, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

• Not to sound too critical, but I don't think any designs are ready for a star just yet. The plants and star do not blend well and look like two separate overlaid images. Butterfly indeed has marginal relevance to botany. The last one gives very little accent to the plant, it's hidden behind the star. Second is not bad as concept, but looks too artificial because all leaves are exact copies. I suppose third is the best from the choice. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK

Why a consensus is not reaching?? --Extra 999 (Contact ^me + _contribs) 12:46, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Because, well, nobody's trying to comment here. (Much like the situation at Wikibooks really.) Kayau Voting IS evil 12:48, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

As Kayau points out, there aren't many regular watchers of this page. And secondly, designs have not been altered any further after comments. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 13:02, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't like any of the newly proposed designs. Why didn't anyone follow up on one of the previously suggested designs using a star-shaped flower? --EncycloPetey (talk) 02:49, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

The various star-shaped flowers in the previous discussion would seem to be the obvious way to make a botany barnstar. Although a palmate leaf might be another option, e.g. [1] (a non-free image, but it shows the idea). Thomas Kluyver (talk) 09:40, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

yeah, I like the idea of a five-pointed flower...gardenias, frangipani..stapelia .... etc. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:21, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar for WP:DARTS

I have created WP:DARTS recently and do not have the software to make a barnstar myself. It would be great if someone could make one for me. Mr.Kennedy1 ^talk 21:32, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

This is probably something for the Graphic Lab, but I'll take it on nonetheless. I'll put it on the project talk page when I'm done. EW_ikist^Talk 17:30, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Mr.Kennedy1 ^talk 18:06, 24 August 2010 (UTC)