Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Role-playing games

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Happy New Year!

Hope you all are well. :) BOZ (talk) 14:47, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

More articles about Fate RPG?

Hi people! ;-)

I wonder if the English Wikipedia should have a separate article for every Fate supplement and world? They are quite interesting IMHO, but I am not really sure if, let's say, Romance in the Air in encyclopedic enough?

Also, I have been playing around with Polish Wikipedia and created this template to organize all the articles (which do not exist yet). What do you think?

Best wishes!

--Kaworu1992 (talk) 08:19, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Gamesman magazine

This looks like an independent UK games magazine from the early 1990s that I had not heard of before:[1] Does anyone know if this could be a WP:RS for notability purposes? BOZ (talk) 17:22, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Reviews noticeboard

In my unending quest to find reviews for existing articles on games, I have found quite a few reviews for games that do not currently have articles (either never started as far as I can tell, or deleted or redirected at some point). Rather than simply let those pass away into nothingness, I’ve been thinking about starting a reviews noticeboard for this project. In other words, list each game by name with a link to any review that I find. Once multiple reviews are found, someone can start the article and remove it from the noticeboard. Does this sound like a good idea, and do you have any suggestions for that? BOZ (talk) 15:27, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

That's a great idea! Plazma5000 (talk) 13:39, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Avery Alder article help

Heya everybody! Can anyone help me improve my draft article about Avery Alder? (Draft:Avery_Alder) It got rejected the 1st time so I added more sources but I'm not sure if it's enough. Allcatsarebabes (talk) 19:58, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

This seems to have been approved, so the request is likely moot. Intothatdarkness 15:42, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm really curious who did the rating of that article as 'low importance.' Alder's "Quiet Year" and "Monsterhearts" have risen to such prominence that they've been used in several top actual play podcasts, her work has won multiple Indie RPG Awards, she helped pioneer the entire Powered by the Apocalypse Genre, her influence has been cited by top gaming journalism websites and game designers across the world, she's been asked to write in publications and queerness in TRPGs and also all of this is already in the article. Is she currently top importance? No. But low importance? Absolutely not.Sevey13 (talk) 22:15, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Article I wrote

I wrote a Wikipedia article for the Lancer TTRPG. You can see it here. What are your thoughts? Also, it hasn't been approved yet even though I wrote it months ago. What's up with that. Plazma5000 (talk) 13:38, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

It reads more like a promotional review than an article, honestly. Also, with just one source it's hard to evaluate if the game has wider significance. There's also what feels to me like some POV language scattered through it. Just one example: "harmful stereotypes" used in relation to Dungeons and Dragons. Harmful according to what source? Changing that to just "stereotypes" or "tropes" would make it more neutral if you can't provide RS for the harmful part. Intothatdarkness 15:39, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Restoring deleted articles

The last maybe 10 years or so (at best) have seen an explosion in WP:RS game websites to provide a wealth of sources to really make tabletop game articles sparkle and shine. I was reminded today that the 10 years or so before that are a much harder time to find sources for; game websites like we have now were still just developing into a thing, and the old reliable sources – games magazines, that is – were dying out. The second version of Pyramid from SJG was published online until 2008 and the third version after that did not review games from other companies; InQuest lasted until 2007; Dragon remained in print form until 2013; German magazine Envoyer ended in 2008; one rare exception is French magazine Casus Belli which (aside from ending in 2006 and starting again in 2010) has continued in production now for over 40 years. I can't speak to how long any of those continued to review games from other companies, but they all did for a substantial portion of their print runs.

I said all that to say that games made in the past 10 years should theoretically be easier to source than those from the early 2000s, in theory. To test my theory, I went to my games deletion list and picked out some more recently deleted game articles and drafts.

• About Old Storytellers or a Game of Campfire Lore (CSD) - published in 2018 [2][3]
• Baker Street Roleplaying in the World of Sherlock Holmes (abandoned draft) - RPG first published in 2015
• Demon: The Descent (abaondoned draft) - published by Onyx Path Publishing in 2014 [4][5]
• Dungeon Fantasy Roleplaying Game (abandoned draft) - published by Steve Jackson Games in 2017 [6][7]
• Event (game) (abandoned draft) - indie RPG published in 2018 [8]
• Genesys (RPG) AFD - published by Fantasy Flight Games in 2017 [9][10]
• Guns of Santa Torina (abandoned draft) - Wild West game published in 2019
• Simple System Table-Top RPG (CSD) - card-based RPG published in 2014 [11]
• The Tiny Horsies Role Playing Game (abandoned draft) - RPG for children published in 2014 [12]
• Uncharted Worlds (abandoned draft) - sci-fi RPG published in 2015 [13][14]
• What's O.L.D. is N.E.W. (abandoned draft) - 2016 RPG by EN Publishing [15]

If you spot any sources that can be used to restore any of these, let me know! :) BOZ (talk) 01:18, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

@Sariel Xilo, do any of these look like they have potential to you? BOZ (talk) 18:15, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

I haven't looked at most of the list but Genesys (RPG) probably has a decent shot. Star Wars Roleplaying Game (Fantasy Flight Games) uses a version of the system as does the latest version of Legend of the Five Rings (source) & the new version of the Twilight Imperium RPG (source). ICv2 has a bunch of coverage on various product announcements (launch & games that use the system); per ICv2 it was also the #5 RPG in Spring 2018. It also has a handful of reviews now: Tabletop Gaming (a UK print magazine), Gaming Trend, TechRaptor, Cannibal Halfling Gaming (an ENNIE Award nominated website). Hope that helps someone develop the article! Sariel Xilo (talk) 18:40, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

@Sariel Xilo, good work, it has been restored by the deleting admin based on the strength of the sources you found. :) BOZ (talk) 12:49, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments

Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:39, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

An AfC reviewer should take a look at Draft:Jeeyon_Shim.

Draft:Jeeyon Shim needs an AfC reviewer. It's been sitting there for 2 months. It seems to meet all the standards and it's not my article, but I don't meet the reviewer criteria. Nodicenomasters (talk) 15:47, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Nodicenomasters, I agree, but you would be better off asking for this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation. BOZ (talk) 18:53, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Accepted, added an image. Nice work! --GRuban (talk) 01:23, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the review @GRuban and thanks for keeping up with this @Nodicenomasters! We also have Draft:Hit Point Press that was rejected but can hopefully be fixed up and accepted one day. BOZ (talk) 08:29, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Combine two stub articles?

Both were published in 1998, by same publisher. These bare-bones articles are lacking substantial content. Wonder if an editor here could help combine?

• Transylvania Chronicles I: Dark Tides Rising
• Transylvania Chronicles II: Son of the Dragon

Doubt if they merit seperate articles. Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 15:47, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Request for review: Stefan Pokorny

I am working on an entry for "legendary Dungeon Master" Stefan Pokorny and will appreciate any thoughts, corrections or additions. Thanks! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Stefan_Pokorny_(designer) Kstern999 (talk) 01:11, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Metagaming (role-playing games)

An article which may be of interest to members of this project—Metagaming (role-playing games)—has been proposed for merging with Metagame. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Sariel Xilo (talk) 17:41, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Help me out with an Editnotice for Refideas

If you don't mind, here is my request. Pick any of the following articles: Call of Cthulhu, Traveller, Cyberpunk, Vampire: The Masquerade, Paranoia, RuneQuest, Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, Hunter: The Reckoning, Twilight: 2000, Kult, Tunnels & Trolls, Pendragon, Legend of the Five Rings Roleplaying Game, Middle-earth Role Playing, 7th Sea, Castle Falkenstein, James Bond 007, Stormbringer, Toon. Click on the "edit" button and hopefully you will see a little yellow box at the top of the screen. If you find that little box helpful, annoying, confusing, or whatever, please post your feedback at Template talk:Refideas editnotce#Feedback. :) BOZ (talk) 22:22, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Addendum: you don't need to actually perform an edit on any of those articles, unless you would like to. :) BOZ (talk) 22:23, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Handy, but only IF I am editing the article. If I'm simply reading the article, I don't get that notice. Would it be permissible to add that notice in the article following the "Reception" subsection? That way, if I'm reading the article, I'd see the prompt. Guinness323 (talk) 22:54, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

I would put that in the talk page feedback section I mentioned above so that the admin helping me with this can see it; I don't know how technically feasible that would be, but it's probably no less distracting to readers than templates at the top of an article. BOZ (talk) 23:42, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello! :) I would like to make a notice here that as of this week, if an editor clicks "edit" on any article that uses the Refideas template on its talk page, they will see an editnotice above the editing window indicating that there are sources on the talk page that are not currently in use in the article. This would be especially useful for anyone with an active interest in improving that article, and it would also be useful in helping gauge the notability of an article. :) BOZ (talk) 15:25, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Pyramid reviews and archives

This keeps coming up every now and then (ex. Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Board_and_table_games/Sources#More_on_Pyramid_and_associated_publications). Pyramid has many articles that could be useful for expanding our articles on various games, role-playing as well as some board and war games (random example from recent discussion), but it seems nobody I am aware of can access them.

@JHunterJ who ~15 years ago replied in a way that makes it possible they had/have some access.

If nobody has access, perhaps we could contact the publisher (SJG) and ask for an account for Wikipedia? If that fails, I am thinking of posting a request on social media (reddit) or such to see if someone has access and would be willing to share.

And of course, if anyone knows of more gray way of accessing this (warez...), feel free to say so or email me :P Arguably this would fall under fair use just like requests for sources done at Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:08, 13 February 2024 (UTC)