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Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not

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The template for 'What Wikipedia is not' changed from {{Unencyclopedic}} to {{NOT}} 18 months ago. Could Twinkle be amended accordingly. The reason for the change was about clearing up confusion that the word unencyclopedic incorrectly implied, so would be good if this is changed to be clear in Twinkle also. Regards, SunCreator ^(talk) 23:48, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

If not change the template at least change the wording in Twinkle next to it. It currently says ': article contains unencyclopedic material' change it to something like ': article contain material not appropriate for an encyclopedia'. Regards, SunCreator ^(talk) 23:53, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

I am currently working on an overhaul of the list of tags, so I'll keep this in mind. — This, that, and the other (talk) 01:38, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

This has now been changed. The description for the tag still includes the word "unencyclopedic", though; if you would like this changed, please say so. — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:15, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Twinkle should prompt whether to ignore redirects on user talk pages when leaving warnings/notices

Today, I came across an annoying problem when I tagged an inappropriate page for speedy deletion that was created by a vandalism-only account. The vandal had created a redirect from his/her user talk page to a certain article. As a result, when Twinkle tried to post the speedy deletion notice on the vandal's user talk page, the warning message ended up on the article page instead of the user talk page. Because of this incident, Twinkle needs to be given the option of ignoring redirects that are present on user talk pages when attempting to post warnings/notices. --SoCalSuperEagle (talk) 17:41, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

That seems like a pretty rare circumstance. There could be legitimate reasons for a user to redirect their talk page, although never to article space of course. Some users have legitimate alternate accounts but keep the talk pages centralized. If it were done it would have to only apply to cross-namespace redirects. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:10, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. What I'd like to see would be for it to be set up so that cross-namespace redirects on user talk pages are automatically ignored, and redirects to other user talk pages produce a dialog asking the Twinkle user whether they want to ignore the redirect. This would handle the (admittedly rare) instance of a savvy vandal redirecting their user talk page to that of an established user in an attempt to forward the warnings they would have received to that user. Granted, both of these would probably be very rare (I personally have never seen either one), so this would probably be a low-priority fix, but knowing very little about JS, I wonder how easy or difficult it would be to implement. jcgoble3 (talk) 00:50, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

It wouldn't be super-easy to fix this, but it would be possible. Still, as you say, it would be low-priority, as most User talk redirects are legitimately created by renamed users or users with alternate accounts. — This, that, and the other (talk) 01:38, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Going along with this, I (through Twinkle) warned a sockpuppeteer for a file without permission on his/her user page, since the user talk page redirected to it. An override feature would be nice when there is a redirect, as I would not have put this template on the user's user page had this been done manually. Logan _Talk ^{Contributions} 22:07, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Certainly a good idea, but it's easier said than done. Twinkle relies on the server to follow redirects. We would have to implement our own redirect-following logic (not simple!) if we wanted to follow only non-cross-namespace redirects for user talk notifications. — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:15, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Non-free reduced

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I just added {{non-free reduced}} to a file, but Twinkle didn't included a timestamp to the template. I think this needs to fixed. Sir Armbrust ^{Talk to me} _Contribs 20:11, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Will fix. Thanks for telling us. — This, that, and the other (talk) 08:09, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Done. — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:15, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

F7 "bad fair use" tagging

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In the non-admin (i.e. tagging-only) version of the CSD module, if you tag an image for "F7: Invalid fair-use claim", the resulting tag will always be {{db-badfairuse}} (= {{db-f7}}). However, this tag is appropriate only for a fairly small subset of images handled by WP:CSD#F7, namely those that can be deleted immediately (F7a "clearly invalid tag" and F7b "commercial image agency"). The far greater number of cases of replaceable files and other disputed rationales cannot be handled in this way, since they require delayed speedies. This often leads to technically incorrect taggings, since Twinkle users will of course think the option that says "F7" handles all of the F7 cases.

I can see two possible fixes: either split up the option into three (F7ab for immediate deletion, F7c for replaceable, F7d for otherwise disputed), although some of this would duplicate options that also exist in the "twinkleimage" module; or add an explanatory note that this option should only be used for the immediate cases, pointing users to the other module for the replaceable/disputed-rationale ones. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:46, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

I think the note is a better option, since most applications of F7 involve a seven-day waiting period. SchuminWeb (Talk) 18:46, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

How does this look? These two options would appear in the CSD dialog:

F7: Clearly invalid fair-use tag – tooltip: This is only for files with a clearly invalid fair-use tag, such as a {{Non-free logo}} tag on a photograph of a mascot. For non-obvious cases, use the options on Twinkle\'s DI tab.

F7: Fair-use media from a commercial image agency which is not the subject of sourced commentary – tooltip: Non-free images or media from a commercial source (e.g., Associated Press, Getty), where the file itself is not the subject of sourced commentary, are considered an invalid claim of fair use and fail the strict requirements of WP:NFCC.

The concise descriptions provided for CSD criteria are not meant to be precise and complete. That is what the tooltips, and of course WP:CSD, are for. (There is a link to CSD policy at the bottom of the Twinkle CSD dialog now, too.) — This, that, and the other (talk) 07:22, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

I'd replace "for non-obvious cases" with "for cases that require a waiting period (replaceable images or otherwise disputed rationales)". The "obviousness" isn't the distinguishing criterion here (in fact, "non-obvious" cases go to FFD, not to the DI queues). Otherwise this would work for me. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:44, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Should be changed now. Thanks for the feedback. — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:15, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Non-free reduced not dating the tag

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In the tag function for File namespace pages (former FurMe), when adding {{Non-free reduced}} via Twinkle, it does not add the date with the tag. This is what it did when I added the tag via Twinkle. Basically, it placed the tag and nothing else. The template itself recommends using {{subst:furd}} to add this tag. Perhaps this can be worked into the tool to fix the problem? SchuminWeb (Talk) 12:37, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

I've fixed this in the repository, but it's waiting for an admin to sync the script on-wiki. — This, that, and the other (talk) 00:57, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Done. — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:15, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Blacklist

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What happened to the blacklist, and how do I request a user be added to it? —KuyaBriBri^Talk 17:06, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

We did away with it. See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive221#New Twinkle blacklist proposal and Wikipedia talk:Twinkle/Archive 22#Blacklist. In short, considering that Twinkle (A) does not give the user any new rights but rather automates certain functions that they could already do, and (B) users are fully responsible for all edits that they make using Twinkle, including ones made irresponsibly, it was redundant to the blocking policy. Basically, most admins would rather just reach for the banhammer and block someone's editing access entirely before adding someone's username to a Twinkle blacklist. So we got rid of it. And good riddance to it, too, lest Twinkle become like AWB with the whole stupid game that they play over there with enabling access to the software and revoking said access.

So in short, if someone is causing disruption via Twinkle, we're just going to block them for disruptive editing rather than going about removing their Twinkle access. SchuminWeb (Talk) 19:43, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Understood. The specific issue I had has already been resolved through ANI, but I'll keep that in mind from here on out. Thanks for the info. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 20:29, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Loading personal version

I'm working on translating the user interface of twinkle for hindi wp and was wondering if it's possible for me to test the translated interface for myself only before proposing and applying it to the gadget?

Hindi wp uses an older version of the gadget. It can be found at hi:Mediawiki:Gadget-Twinkle.js.

I tried copying it to a subpage of my userpage and adding

importScript('User:Siddhartha Ghai/Twinkle.js');

to my vector.js but that didn't work(with the gadget either on or off in user preferences). What do I do?--Siddhartha Ghai (talk) 07:24, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

We have been facing similar challenges here on enwiki. See #Custom installation on this page. I wish I could help you here, but I really can't add any more other than what was said in that earlier discussion. — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:40, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. Good to know people are working on a solution. Just update the doc when you find one. --Siddhartha Ghai (talk) 15:25, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

WP:RPP

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 – Issue was temporary.

When I try to report a page to RPP it says it can find the right section.--Breawycker (talk to me!)

Does this still happen? Or have the RPP admins fixed this? — This, that, and the other (talk) 12:12, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

CSD on talk pages

When any talk page (including File talk, category talk, etc.) is open and CSD is used would it be possible to have G8 for talk page without a subject page appear at the top of the list instead of further down? On File talk in particular, this shows up on the 2nd page when scrolling, requiring a click down on every instance. I would think that when using CSD on any talk, G8 would be the most obvious choice. --After Midnight ⁰⁰⁰¹ 00:35, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Good point; will fix. — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:40, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Fixed in repo, pending sync. — This, that, and the other (talk) 12:12, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Unlink fail

Twinkle does not seem to want to use my newer settings, where I have all namespaces selected for enabling unlink. LikeLakers2 (talk) 00:57, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Did you bypass your cache? Do that and then see if you don't get results. SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:47, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I did. Nothing. Yes, I did try emptying my browser's temporary internet files. Still nothing. LikeLakers2 (talk) 01:59, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Has Twinkle started listening to you yet, or is it still being delinquent? — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:41, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

(moved to bottom of page) Now, it looks for pages from all namespaces. However, I can't seem to get it to actually unlink the pages. I'll upload a picture to my site's ftp, and link it in a moment. LikeLakers2 (talk) 16:41, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

See here. Basically, it shows all of the namespaces, like I set it to, yet when I hit submit query, (whether I inputed a reason or not) it says it finished successfully. But, it seems as though it did not do an actual edit for that. (feel free to remove that link once you have looked) LikeLakers2 (talk) 16:43, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I see, you are using Internet Explorer. Unlink has always been a bit flaky in IE. I'll look into it. — This, that, and the other (talk) 01:08, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

If you observe the status dialog, you will see that Twinkle is trying to remove backlinks from the page On, which is normally a fruitless endeavour. I have fixed this problem in the repo; pending sync. — This, that, and the other (talk) 12:12, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

SPI notification

The dialog for notifying a user about a sockpuppet investigation needs some tweaking if possible. It asks for a linked article, but the template {{uw-socksuspect}} expects a user name or SPI subpage. Twinkle then leaves an inaccurate edit summary: Warning: Sockpuppetry on [[<username>]] ([[Wikipedia:TW|TW]]). The dialog box should ask for the master account name and the edit summary should read something like Warning: You are a suspected [[WP:SOCK|sockpuppet]] of [[User:<username>]]. See my edit here for an example. Thanks ​—DoRD (talk)​ 22:42, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

I tried to fix this, but it seems there is a coding error. I'll try again soon. — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:13, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

I have fixed the coding error. This should begin to work shortly. — This, that, and the other (talk) 01:38, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Almost. Twinkle is now erroneously inserting User: before the username when it calls {{uw-socksuspect}}, which expects the username only. See here for an example. Thanks ​—DoRD (talk)​ 00:03, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

And, come to think of it, the edit summary should probably be Warning: You are suspected of [[WP:SOCK|sockpuppetry]] to be appropriate for both socks and masters. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 00:09, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

User notification(2nd nomination)

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 – No idea why.

Please see this correction which I had to apply to a TW generated-message - space added before (2nd. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:50, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

This isn't a Twinkle problem as much as it is a template problem. Do we even know what this template is? We can go in and fix the problem, but I couldn't find what template this even was. Thus I can't fix what I can't identify. SchuminWeb (Talk) 05:07, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

The {{AfD-notice}} template has an undocumented "order" parameter which Twinkle uses. I can see no reason why the space would have been omitted, as Twinkle inserts this by way of a " " character entity. In other words, I'm just as puzzled as you are. — This, that, and the other (talk) 07:57, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Tagging a page as g10

Even when tagging something as G10, if there's something inferior like a7, it will not replace it. I think if someone tags something as G10, it should ignore the fact that there's an A7 or something lower-priority, as I've had to revert someone else's tag so I could tag it as an attack page, multiple times. --Σ _{^talkcontribs} 05:01, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

I agree that this is a hassle. I think that twinkle should either just add the second tag or combine the existing tag with the new tag. Is this technically possible? Ryan Vesey Review me! 05:13, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

At least for G10 this is certainly important, as they need to be deleted more quickly. I might add a feature that replaces CSD tags with {{db-attack}} when that option is selected. — This, that, and the other (talk) 05:27, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Add "force preview before submit" option

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 – Not now.

I think there should be an option to allow the user to force him/herself to generate a preview of a user warning before submitting it. If this option were checked, the "submit" button would be disabled (greyed out) unless the "preview" command had been clicked at least once. An even better option would be to require a preview after any change to the level or type of the warning being created. I always do a preview, and I'd like to use an option like this to make me remember to preview, but I realize others might not want this to be mandatory. Richwales (talk · contribs) 19:38, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

This could get quite annoying after a while, and would increase server load (the API isn't cached, as far as I know, and it isn't very fast either). Also, I don't see the benefit in adding such a sugary feature when only one user is likely to use it. — This, that, and the other (talk) 07:56, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Dealing with incorrect CSD taggings

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Currently, if Twinkle tries to place a CSD, PROD, or XFD tag on a page that already has a CSD tag, it will simply abort the procedure with an error message. I think this response should be changed so that if a user tries to place a CSD tag that doesn't match the one already on the page, Twinkle would prompt whether it should overwrite the existing CSD tag with the new one. Or if a user tries to PROD or XFD a page that already has a CSD tag but clearly doesn't meet any of the speedy deletion criteria, Twinkle should prompt whether it should downgrade the CSD to a PROD or XFD. If the user answers yes, Twinkle would then prompt for both the CSD decline reason and the PROD or XFD nomination rationale. --SoCalSuperEagle (talk) 21:49, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

I agree, just as I did for the G10 attack proposal earlier. I think another option should be that it combines both tags into multiple issues. Ryan Vesey Review me! 23:44, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

The best solution is to educate those who patrol new pages into paying more attention to accuracy. If they would read WP:NPP first to see exactly what page patrolling entails, they would be less likely to cause the errors that need the remedy suggested above. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:58, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Right, but changes to Twinkle can't educate the people who patrol new pages. Changes to the tool can only be made in reaction to the way things are currently done. Ryan Vesey Review me! 01:00, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Personally I think the easiest way to replace a CSD tag is to edit the page manually and change the template. The benefits of this are that the creator won't be notified again, and it requires less coding in Twinkle If you haven't memorised the CSD criteria, you can refer to the Twinkle list, then close it and change the CSD template on the page to {{db-g6}} or whatever criterion you want. — This, that, and the other (talk) 07:52, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

That's what I do, and it's the logical solution. I understand Ryan's comment, but tools are supposed to be an aid for the people who already possess the knowledge of policy to use them. Tools are not suppose to plug that knwledge gap. Everyone has time do carry out such manual corrections - we need to put out a clear message that 'speedy deletion' is not a synonym for 'speedy tagging'. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:39, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Username warning?

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I have a quick question. Is there a single-issued notice for offensive or promotional usernames? -- Luke (Talk) 01:02, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

You're looking for {{uw-username}} and {{uw-coi-username}}, both of which can be found near the bottom of the "Single issue warnings" category in Twinkle. jcgoble3 (talk) 03:07, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Blocking tags

Any chance the dropdown list for non-indefinite blocking could include "disruptive editing" like the warning tags do? Quite often I find myself blocking editors for short periods of time for transgressions that aren't strictly vandalism, and aren't strictly 3RR violations, and at the moment I have to edit the template after I've placed it. Black Kite (t) (c) 14:40, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Likewise, while we're tinkering, could we harmonize the Twinkle list's order with the block dialog's order of reasons as much as possible? Would make it much easier to find the template I'm looking for. SchuminWeb (Talk) 21:13, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Re Black Kite, I'm afraid I don't understand your request at all. It might have something to do with me not being an admin! Is there a template you want added to the list of block templates?

Ah, I see the problem now. Very surprisingly, no disruption block template actually existed (there were level 1-4 templates, but no block). I have created one instead - Template:Uw-disruptblock. Can this be added? Thanks. Black Kite (t) (c) 11:25, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Re SchuminWeb, I would look into this, but I can't find the list of block reasons for some reason. It ought to be somewhere in the MediaWiki namespace. Do you know where? — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:15, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

It's here - MediaWiki:Ipbreason-dropdown. Black Kite (t) (c) 11:28, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

It's on my to-do list. — This, that, and the other (talk) 12:12, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Almost done. Also included in the package is a feature allowing admins to preview block templates!! Exciting. (I wrote this just to remind myself to get this done.) — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:27, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

{{Autobiography}}

Can we add the {{Autobiography}} template to Twinkle, please? I'm fairly certain it used to be in there. Some believe it's covered by {{COI}} because both are defined as someone who is pushing goals that are contrary to WP's but where a COI is someone with a close connection to the subject, AB are the actual subject. I'm hung over. I hope that made sense. OlYeller^Talktome 17:26, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

I removed it, because I thought it was little-used. But, looking more closely, it appears to have almost a thousand transclusions. So perhaps my removal of it was unjustified... I've added it back in the repo, so it should re-appear soon. — This, that, and the other (talk) 04:16, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. Keep up the great work! OlYeller^Talktome 00:18, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm not seeing it in there still. Do I need to clear my cache or something? I'm not terribly knowledgeable about how scripts like this work. OlYeller^Talktome 14:24, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

The change was made in our offsite repository, but the gadget file on this wiki has not been updated yet. User:Amalthea usually does this, but he seems to be away at the moment, so updates are not getting done. User:AzaToth can also do it. I'll poke him when I've pushed a couple of other changes. — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:27, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Anyone know what happened here?

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 – One-off glitch.

I was trying to tag the article Single-entry matrix as orphaned. Twinkle did so, but then made another edit which resulted in most of the article being deleted: [1] Was it something I did, or is this a known glitch? Robofish (talk) 13:25, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

This sort of thing happens sometimes. We don't know the exact cause, but it is probably a server glitch. For future reference, could you please tell us what browser (and version) you are using? Thanks, — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:27, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Welcome edit summary

The edit summary for adding a welcome template using Twinkle is currently "Added welcome template to user talk page (TW)". Could the wording be changed from "template" to "message", for increased friendliness? —Akrabbim^talk 15:54, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Not a bad idea. SchuminWeb (Talk) 19:08, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Hehe, but you must agree, the current wording is correct :) _→AzaToth 23:10, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Indeed, it's accurate, but not the best wording we could use. SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:19, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

I don't like templates that try to pretend they're not templates. If the edit summary is the best you can do, keep it :) ...Dynamic|cimanyD... (talk|klat) ☺ 13:06, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Config

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Sorry if this is a n00b question or if it's been asked a bunch of times already.

I have two different things in User:Roscelese/vector.js. One is my Twinkle config; the other is a closeAfD script. However, the Twinkle config won't work with the other script there, or possibly if it's not at the top of the file (the closeAfD oesn't work when not at the top of the file). Is there any possible way of fixing this so I can both have my Twinkle settings and my AfD tool?

–Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 02:53, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Twinkle configuration is now done through WP:TWPREFS instead of your skin .js page, so I would suggest just deleting that stuff from your vector.js and setting everything up through WP:TWPREFS. jcgoble3 (talk) 05:06, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Aha! That makes things so much simpler. Thank you! –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:36, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Huh. The change must have happened while I was wiki light because I had no idea. Oddly I haven't really had any problems with Twinkly and I've still been running it through my skin. I'll go fix it now, I guess. Glad you asked about this or I might never have known. Millahnna (talk) 16:41, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

overcolored

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Would it be possible to add the {{Overcolored}} template to the list of possible tags we can place on an article? I usually see people reference this issue with a cleanup tag but sometimes that is too general. Millahnna (talk) 20:22, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for Linkify, Az. I always forget I can do that. Millahnna (talk) 20:37, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately I may have to decline this. It currently only has 6 transclusions, and it is not a very common problem. The Twinkle box has over 70 tags; these have been selected as some of the most common and important ones. Adding lots of little-used tags would make it difficult to find the common ones.

By the way, don't forget about the "custom tags" feature at WP:TWPREFS. You can add tags you use frequently to your installation of Twinkle. — This, that, and the other (talk) 05:15, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

I had no idea about the custom tags. Thanks bunches, that works much better since, as you said, it's not too common of a problem (it usually just gets a cleanup tag because most articles with this problem have ample other problems). Millahnna (talk) 05:31, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Deleting with CSD tab

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If you use TW to delete a page, does it notify the creator? --Σ _{^talkcontribs} 02:01, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Only in certain circumstances. See WP:TW/DOC#speedy, first point under "Using this module" and second point under "Take note". — This, that, and the other (talk) 04:50, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, sorry. No, it doesn't. But it does (I believe) open the creator's talk page for you to write a custom message. There was talk a while back of implementing an automatic notification, but it was thought that there was no point duplicating the functionality of the CSD Helper script (which is rather more advanced). — This, that, and the other (talk) 05:09, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Wikify tag

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There is currently discussion in place to add a reason parameter to {{wikify}}. The parameter is entered using |reason=<Insert reason here> Can Twinkle be modified to prompt for a rationale if/when the parameter is added? Discussion is taking place at Template talk:Wikify. Ryan Vesey Review me! 12:57, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

The change has been implemented to the Wikify tag, so hopefully it can get implemented on Twinkle. Ryan Vesey Review me! 20:44, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Done. — This, that, and the other (talk) 12:05, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

{{technical}}

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It needs to be added to the tag list. Thanks, --Σ _{^talkcontribs} 05:50, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

It does indeed. — This, that, and the other (talk) 08:00, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Done. — This, that, and the other (talk) 12:05, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

AIV reports

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 – AIV looks less hackish now.

Twinkle isn't putting a space between an AIV report and a signature. Examples: [2] and [3]. (my signature starts with "...") If you look in the AIV history, you can see plenty of TW reports. Look at their revisions/diffs, and you can see the same thing happening (for example, [4], [5] and [6], all different users). This isn't urgent, just a problem I noticed. ...Dynamic|cimanyD... (talk|klat) ☺ 17:29, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

I fully agree. I have fixed this problem on my laptop (where my repo is), but the silly machine doesn't seem to want to charge, so there's nothing I can do for the moment. — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:27, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Done. — This, that, and the other (talk) 12:05, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Based on the last TW report ([7]) it seems to be working. Thanks! ...Dynamic|cimanyD... (talk|klat) ☺ 12:30, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Heh

(Sorry if I have already posted this, but I don't think I have done so before, according to my contributions)

Anyone here ever tried to use the ARV or TB button while on your own userspace? I always did like the humor put into Twinkle with that kind of thing.

I bet I already know what some of the responses to this might be. (not trying to spoil anything, just thought it might be worth giving my opinion on) LikeLakers2 (talk) 15:24, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

While I'm at it, perhaps I should request that PROD log and CSD log page usage could have a preference to allow the user to specify what to add, instead of the usual text? Just a suggestion. LikeLakers2 (talk) 18:38, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Why? — This, that, and the other (talk) 07:59, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

So I won't have to set this up every time. LikeLakers2 (talk) 12:26, 28 August 2011 (UTC) ~,

Just use regex to replace everything, once a month. --Σ _{^talkcontribs} 05:48, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

What's wrong with Twinkle's default log entry? — This, that, and the other (talk) 07:24, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Moved to bottom.

Anyway, regex would be a bit complicated, and my preference would rather be to have it use my template for my CSD log. This way, I can pretty much edit all of the logs visual at once without needing to go through every one of my CSD logs. LikeLakers2 (talk) 22:38, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm still unconvinced. Most people are happy enough with the default CSD log format, and your format seems pretty close to the one Twinkle uses. — This, that, and the other (talk) 05:02, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

If you look at what I use for my CSD log usage, and if you also look at the coding for the template I use in my CSD log, you could probably tell why. LikeLakers2 (talk) 14:48, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

{{db-talk-warn}}

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I had used Twinkle to place a CSD tag on a talk page (the {{db-talk}} tag) since the page the talk page was for was only a redirect to another article, which had an actual talk page. I later discovered that the warning it had attempted to place on the author's talk page was not really much of a warning, if at all. The subst had failed, as {{db-warn-notice}} does not exist, nor has it ever existed.

And man, I am on a roll with finding errors with Twinkle!! LikeLakers2 (talk) 19:31, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Discussing this with AzaToth on IRC; the problem is that you can specify any criteria for notification in your Twinkle preferences, but some criteria don't have notifications associated with them, such as (most of) G6 and G8. We might make a separate list of criteria for that preference so that people don't select criteria that don't have notifications available. Logan _Talk ^{Contributions} 20:06, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

LikeLakers2, I'll admit that Twinkle is not as robust as it possibly could be, but you should be thankful that it is more reliable than it once was. I'll assume you didn't use Twinkle before May this year?... — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:06, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Proposing a redirect for deletion with Twinkle...

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... surprised me. I did not check the overwhelming amount of archived discussions, so I apologize if this remark has already been made. But I guess that it's not a wanted behaviour that Twinkle follows a redirect that someone wants to propose for deletion and tags the redirect target instead. I just experienced this with Durance class tanker while I wanted to propose the redirect French ship Meuse (A607) for deletion. Regards, Grand-Duc (talk) 20:33, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Redirects aren't eligible for PROD; they must be taken to RfD instead. jcgoble3 (talk) 20:38, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Submitting things for discussion

When I submit things for discussion the edit summery says deletion. Could this be changed to better reflect what is being done? --Kumioko (talk) 22:57, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Unlinking

I believe this has been proposed before, but I'm asking again in light of this mess. Is there any good reason why the "unlink" feature shouldn't be restricted to admins? The only real use I can see for it is removing backlinks to a deleted article, and only an admin would need to do that. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:07, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

I managed to find a chance to use it as a non-admin, for a total of 4 links, but it was deleted articles and the deleting admin not deleting the links. Not saying it happens a lot, (or that in my case doing it manually would have been a problem) but it isn't exclusively useful to admins. Monty₈₄₅ 00:22, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

I would agree that the unlink feature has uses for non-admins as well, and that it shouldn't be restricted to admins without a very compelling reason. SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:38, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps the function could be disabled by default and the ability to enable it added to the Unlink section of WP:TWPREFS. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 01:50, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

I considered the same thing as HJ while this was happening, but in the grand scheme of things, this is a rare and minor incident, isn't it? In fact, I really wouldn't be surprised if this was an experienced editor who was curious about the button and created an account specifically to satiate that curiosity (or something along those lines). In any case, we don't restrict mass rollback to admins, but we do restrict it. Perhaps that's the solution here: restrict it to confirmed users. Swarm ^{u | t} 03:38, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Twinkle is already restricted to autoconfirmed users. The tool simply will not function for someone who has not yet become autoconfirmed. SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:59, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Then how did they activate Twinkle's unlink feature with one edit? Look at their contribs, 1 edit, then the automated ones start. Swarm ^{u | t} 06:23, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

I wonder if we didn't just discover a glitch in the way Twinkle checks for autoconfirmed status. It's supposed to be four days and ten edits, but I wonder if it's not just checking for four days? SchuminWeb (Talk) 11:54, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

I would say more, but I am aware of WP:BEANS. Let's just say that this is an important problem. I'll see if I can find AzaToth on IRC and discuss it. — This, that, and the other (talk) 22:39, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

I agree that the unlink tool is a powerful one, but, I have used it on a number of occasions when clearing up after a AfD, having to go back to the deleting admin everytime to request it when I could resolve the issue in less time than it takes me to make the request does seem a bit of a harsh a response to this one indecent, if there is a need for some restriction what about limiting access to it to members of the WP:ROLLBACK group ? Mtking ^(edits) 01:53, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

That seems like a reasonable solution. VQuakr (talk) 01:56, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Shortening buttons

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I only started using Twinkle when I got my mop (last March), and I'm sure that when I set it up that I had it shorten things like 'Discussion' to 'Talk'. There's a thing in Preferences to do something like this in Vector, but I use MonoBook. I liked the shorter buttons - where've they gone? Peridon (talk) 14:26, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

There was User:Ioeth/friendlytabs.js. If you want it, you can import it into your skin JS file (Special:Mypage/skin.js) or you can add your voice at WP:GP for this to be installed as a gadget. — This, that, and the other (talk) 11:39, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Wording tweak

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In the image tagging module, for the sake of better clarity, the following label should be changed:

label: 'No permission (CSD F11)',

change to:

label: 'No evidence of permission (CSD F11)',

That's both closer to the actual CSD text, and much more understandable. It's also not longer than other labels in the series. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:12, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

 Done (the change won't appear immediately) Logan _Talk ^{Contributions} 20:18, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Proposal: change of text in Twinkle window for G4 deletions

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Right now, the text next to G4 in the Twinkle window say: Recreation of deleted material, with additional information when scrolling over the question mark that it is limited to pages deleted via XfD or a deletion review.

Unfortunately, many new editors trying to tag with Twinkle don't always read the content you get from the question mark, or take the time to read WP:CSD. While I don't want this to be considered an alternative to making sure editors read the relevant policies before they start tagging articles for deletion, it is an easy to problem to prevent if we tweak the working in the Twinkle box a bit.

Therefore, I am proposing that the text next to G4 in thte twinkle box be ammended to read: Recreation of material deleted via an XfD or a Deletion review. Singularity42 (talk) 14:42, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

I'd revise further. I'd word it to say, "Recreation of material deleted via deletion discussion", since (A) speedies and PRODs don't count, and (B) Deletion Review doesn't delete material itself, per se - rather they uphold a previous deletion or overturn it. But agreed that the current wording is ambiguous where it doesn't need to be. SchuminWeb (Talk) 17:10, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Will do. — This, that, and the other (talk) 11:34, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
I support SchuminWeb's version. jcgoble3 (talk) 17:17, 6 September 2011 (UTC) I also support SchuminWeb's version. Mtking (edits) 02:54, 7 September 2011 (UTC) support More than one time I accidentally used this CSD in error :P--Cerejota (talk) 02:35, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Talkback edit summary problem

{{Feedback required}} It would seem that there's a small bug in the way the edit summaries for talkback templates are written. Check out this diff.

Note that Twinkle is adding the material that actually goes on the page correctly, and that's what really counts, so this is a minor bug. However, when you specify "other page" in the Talkback box, it still prefixes the link in the edit summary with "User talk:", which it should not do. This is how the link ended up as "User talk:Talk:Giant-Carlisle" in this case. Like I said, though, minor bug, and hopefully easy fix as well. SchuminWeb (Talk) 13:35, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Works for me. What browser do you use? — This, that, and the other (talk) 01:30, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Where's TW gone?

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Hello, can anyone help me out here? That is, do you know what could be the reason for this problem?

I have been using twinkle for a while but now it has suddenly disappeared (the TW toolbar and everything). Yet in my preferences it says that it is activated. I have tried a few things to try and get it back but with no success :(

Oh well, i'll have to do without for the moment. Until there is an answer ;)

Thanx —Benzband (talk) 19:00, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Have you read through WP:TW/DOC#Trouble, our troubleshooting page? — This, that, and the other (talk) 00:44, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Twinkle vanished for me for a while, at around the same time as Benzband reported. A couple minutes later, I got some "page died" errors in Google Chrome. I quit and restarted Chrome, and Twinkle was back. Richwales (talk · contribs) 00:48, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

TW is back again now. Thanks for your help everybody! Benzband (talk) 08:34, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Twinkle XFD overdates

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 – User needs to check their computer's time zone.

When using XFD with Twinkle, it goes to the log of the next day (i.e. [8], [9],[10](which I used to test in the Template Sandbox)). -Porch corpter (contribs) 10:08, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Check that your computer is set to the right time zone. — This, that, and the other (talk) 11:34, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

I would just like to know why with TFDs, the TFD discussion page does not enter the log of the day. And with MFDs, as you can see with this, not only that it went to the next day log, but the transclusion got misplaced as well. -Porch corpter (contribs) 23:54, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Check that your computer is set to the right time zone _→AzaToth 00:13, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes I can fix the missing line break after the header. But, do please check that your computer is set to the right time zone. — This, that, and the other (talk) 09:34, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Glitch

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 – Not our fault.

Somehow a simple AFD glitched out, causing someone's listing to blank half of the AFD log by mistake. And somehow, NO ONE realized (or at least didn't give a rat's ass) until just now. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 18:32, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

It's probably an error on the user's side, where the rest of the page wasn't sent to the server. I doubt Twinkle can do anything about it, although it could prompt you if you are deleting a large amount of text (maybe 500+ bytes?). —mc10 (t/c) 03:10, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Twinkle doesn't know about this - it's some sort of transmission error, either between the user's computer and the server, or within Wikimedia's servers (the API). — This, that, and the other (talk) 06:08, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Twinkle recognizes {{delete}} within comments on .js pages

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See this diff for more information (although probably admin-only by the time you read this comment). Essentially, if I attempt to tag a .js page with CSD (U1, in this case), and it has the text {{delete}} in a comment, Twinkle will recognize the "template" and refuse to tag. This may be difficult to fix (especially if the current code is just a simple search), but if possible, please do so. Thanks. —mc10 (t/c) 02:41, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

In these edge cases, just apply the tag manually. This sort of exception is so rare that it is not worth spending any time working around it in the Twinkle code. — This, that, and the other (talk) 06:09, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Protection template tagging bug

When using the RPP function to tag pages with protection templates, Twinkle is apparently unable to recognize when the new template can co-exist with a template already on the article. Take the example of FC Barcelona, which just came off of a week of full protection and has had its previous indef semi-protection restored, all the while remaining indefinitely move-protected. After an admin restored the semi but didn't manipulate the templates, I tried to tag the page with {{pp-vandalism}}, thinking it would replace the {{pp-dispute}} tag already there since they're mutually exclusive, but that it would leave the {{pp-move-indef}} there. What it actually did was remove both existing tags, leaving only the newly-added {{pp-vandalism}}

I then tried to fix this by adding {{pp-move-indef}} through Twinkle, but it again screwed up, replacing the semi template instead of adding to it. I ended up having to fix it manually. Is there any chance of getting Twinkle to recognize that move-protection templates and edit-protection templates can coexist? Also, this is less important, but in the second diff, you'll see that Twinkle let me add small=yes to {{pp-move-indef}}. This is pointless, as that template only produces a category. It would be nice if Twinkle would disable the small=yes option when {{pp-move-indef}} is selected. jcgoble3 (talk) 20:26, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

I wrote the protection tagging feature without having a shred of experience with "real-world" protection tagging. I'll add this to my to-do list; in the meantime, the workaround is to edit the page manually. — This, that, and the other (talk) 06:13, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Bug: {{afdb}} mistaken by {{afd}}

When trying to speedy a page that uses the {{afdb}} tag, Twinkle will warn me that the deletion template {{afd}} was found on the page. --damiens.rf 13:21, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Not such an important issue, especially since Twinkle lets you proceed with the speedy. — This, that, and the other (talk) 07:14, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Sound "TW" link to the project page Wikipedia:Twinkle?

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 – I don't understand the question - probably nothing to do here. — This, that, and the other (talk) 07:14, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Currently if I click the "TW", it does nothing. Should it link here? Jason Quinn (talk) 19:49, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Are you talking about the shortcut WP:TW, or the "(TW)" in Twinkle edit summaries? They both go to Wikipedia:Twinkle. ...Dynamic|cimanyD... (talk|klat) ☺ 21:15, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I should have mentioned I'm talking about the "enhanced editing toolbar" you can set under preferences. The heading for the dropdown list is "TW". I've always just assumed that this thing is powered by Twinkle. Jason Quinn (talk) 21:18, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Custom tag template dialog column headers

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While I'm at it, I might as well report this fail. I was going to add a maintenence template to my template list, and I noticed that. LikeLakers2 (talk) 22:38, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Also, one thing I forgot to mention: the word that would need to be fixed is highlighted. LikeLakers2 (talk) 22:39, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for picking that up. You can see that I copied and pasted the code straight from the custom welcome template pref. I'll fix it. — This, that, and the other (talk) 05:02, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Yeah. I would report this in the github, but it just seems much easier to report it here. LikeLakers2 (talk) 14:50, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

I think this was fixed. — This, that, and the other (talk) 07:14, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Erroneous image CSD notifications

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User_talk:Sfan00_IMG#Image_speedy_deletions.3F says that many image CSD notifications which are being sent to the wrong people are due to TWINKLE. -- SEWilco (talk) 16:17, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Could you provide some specific examples (give me diffs) where this has happened? There's probably a simple explanation for this, but I need more information to research it. Thanks! SchuminWeb (Talk) 18:37, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

See the four recent notifications on my Talk page; others have questions on that user's Talk page. -- SEWilco (talk) 03:06, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Not being an admin, I can't see the history of those deleted images to see who was the initial uploader. Presumably it was you. — This, that, and the other (talk) 06:10, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure I never took such pictures, and the existing ones are all by User:Mulad; the metadata says that a camera different than mine was used. -- SEWilco (talk) 15:17, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Also, I don't see any CSD notifications in User_talk:Mulad. Ask Sfan00_IMG what he was doing; he blames TWINKLE. -- SEWilco (talk) 15:23, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Ah, now I see what happened. I knew that there was a good explanation for this, too. On File:Wells Fargo Center from Foshay.jpg and File:Washington Avenue Bridge Minneapolis.jpg, there was never an image hosted locally - the files were uploaded directly to Commons the first time. The images were always hosted on Commons, and then SEWilco added categories to the pass-through file description pages on en.wiki on August 17, 2005, when they should have been added to the actual file description pages on Commons. Thus SEWilco was the first to edit the titles on en.wiki, and thus why they got the notifications. On File:Weisman Art Museum.jpg and File:Washington Avenue Bridge east end.jpg, there was once a file on each of those titles, uploaded in 2004 and 2005, respectively, by Mulad. Then the files were moved to Commons on June 5 and 6, 2005 and deleted from en.wiki. So all of those old revisions were deleted. Then SEWilco came through on August 17, 2005 and added the categories like they did on the other two. Because the previous local edits were deleted from en.wiki, SEWilco's edits were the first visible edits on those titles as well. The deletion was done according to CSD F2, which covers corrupt or empty files, or unnecessary description pages for files on Commons. When tagging, Twinkle will notify the person who made the first edit. According to the edit histories as they appeared at that time, that person was SEWilco. Thus Twinkle notified SEWilco, the person who created the local file description pages for files that were not hosted locally, but rather on Commons.

The moral of the story is thus: (1) Twinkle is working as it is supposed to, and (2) files that are hosted on Commons should be categorized on Commons and not locally, since said files actually live on Commons and not on en.wiki. I'm not faulting anyone for actions taken six years ago, since I have a feeling that SEWilco may not have completely understood that distinction at that time (but I hope it's painfully clear now). I'm also not faulting Sfan00 IMG for sending the notifications, because it is fairly standard practice to send such notifications, and I get more complaints about when people don't get notifications vs. people complaining when they do get notifications. Thus I'd rather see someone get notified and then they remove the notice (I do this all the time - it is not improper or otherwise untoward) than to take administrative actions without notifying someone and then have them complain that they were kept out of the loop.

So does that all make sense now? SchuminWeb (Talk) 20:22, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

The above makes sense. What doesn't make sense is what the hell I was thinking then, as I have always understood the distinction. -- SEWilco (talk) 03:12, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Going through your contributions from the same date, I'd say you were on a roll categorizing things, and a few files already on Commons got caught up in it. No worries. SchuminWeb (Talk) 10:53, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Noticeboard in talk back section

Could all the other noticeboards be added? Having only ANI (which should be the most inactive one) seems pretty narrow. Why not add all DR and Content noticeboards?--Cerejota (talk) 00:50, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Seems like a sound idea, having generic talkback and specific talkback templates for specific noticeboards where the person posting is required to notify the subject. SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:23, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Can someone provide a list of all noticeboards that require such notification? Then I will add them to Twinkle. — This, that, and the other (talk) 09:27, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Looks like it's just WP:AN and WP:ANI. None of the other noticeboards require notification. SchuminWeb (Talk) 22:34, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Nope, WP:EW, WP:WQA, WP:DRN, WP:RFAR, WP:AE, WP:MEDCAB, and WP:RFM all require notification - and have templates for the purpose (for example, {{DRN-notice}} or {{WQA-notice}}). WP:SPI suggests it, but doesn't require it (however, for TW it would be nice to have the option) I might even be missing some. The content notice boards do not require it, but people do use TB for it, but having to copy and paste the entire noticeboard name every time is bothersome, it would be nice to be able to select the noticeboard, set the thread, and TB the thing.--Cerejota (talk) 16:05, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

What's going on?

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Hello, I've got a problem with Twinkles. During the last few CSD tags (see my contribs), TW hasn't updated my CSD log. I don't understand what's going on. Explanations will be appreciated. Sp33dyphil ^{"Ad astra"} 12:06, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

This seems to have started working again. Let us know if more problems arise. — This, that, and the other (talk) 06:09, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Category linking/unlinking feature

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Perhaps a feature could be added that allows unlinking pages that are in a category? It does not show category inclusions as backlinks in Twinkle or in the [[Special:WhatLinksHere/{{FULLPAGENAME}}]] page for a category. Perhaps if a category is filled to the brim with pages, and it is also redundant to another category, this feature could help.

An example of what I mean is Category:Beverage articles is redundant to Category:Beverages, and it has 499 pages included in it, according to Special:WantedCategories at this current time. Since these pages are better off in Category:Beverages, this could be used to automatically change [[Category:Beverage articles]] in all articles included in it to [[Category:Beverages]], except in cases where that page is already in Category:Beverages.

I'll probably need to clear this up better, but this is pretty much the best I can explain it at this time. LikeLakers2 (talk | Sign my guestbook!) 18:56, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

This sounds to me like a task better suited for AWB rather than Twinkle. jcgoble3 (talk) 01:52, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes, more of an AWB job. Twinkle's unlink doesn't always work reliably; I don't really want to add to it and introduce another layer of unreliability. AWB is designed for fail-safe big-time mass editing like that. — This, that, and the other (talk) 07:49, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Export to other project

I would like someone to help with putting twinkle on incubator:. The project has user warnings, but are as subpages of Incubator:Twinkle. This shouldn't be a problem. So we don't need tw:welcome since there's the Welcoming Bot. ~~Ebe123~~ (+) ^talk
_Contribs 20:51, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

WP:UWUL

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 – Not now.

Twinkle's method of placing warning templates is different from what's outlined at WP:UWUL#Layout. I was wondering why they contradict, and if anyone actually uses the UWUL method, because I actually like it better. ...Dynamic|cimanyD... (talk|klat) ☺ 20:08, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't like that version of the instructions. I don't know why you are supposed to use a "Warnings" header, since not all user warning templates are actually "warnings", and the term doesn't assume good faith. — This, that, and the other (talk) 06:44, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

I assume that's why it says at the first bullet point to use "Notices" or "Warnings." The second sentence at the beginning of the section only appears to be an example of how to use equal signs to make a header. ...Dynamic|cimanyD... (talk|klat) ☺ 12:57, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps Twinkle could use a "Notices" header with single-issue notices and level 1 and 2 warnings, then automatically change it to "Warnings" if a single-issue warning or level 3, 4, or 4im warning was used. Dynamic|cimanyD contact me ⁞ my edits 18:43, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Add {{ActiveDiscuss}}?

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 – Template deleted. SchuminWeb (Talk) 19:36, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

I think the underused template should be added in the same catefory as {{underconstruction}} etc.--Cerejota (talk) 23:57, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

I'd actually go the opposite way - tag the affected articles with a more specific template and then submit this one for deletion. The {{ActiveDiscuss}} template seems a bad idea, basically saying that the article is worthless and don't bother improving it without permission. Not the kind of sentiment we want to project. SchuminWeb (Talk) 22:39, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Uh, shouldn't this be marked as {{resolved}} or something? {{ActiveDiscuss}} isn't even a template now, it was deleted at TfD. Dynamic|cimanyD contact me ⁞ my edits 18:49, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Done. SchuminWeb (Talk) 19:36, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Merge

According to the Project page, FurMe is supposed to be merged with Twinkle. Did it happen?Gregory Heffley (talk) 22:55, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

I am supposed to be doing so, but time has been scarce. I anticipate I will have some more time to work on it in the coming weeks, though. — This, that, and the other (talk) 05:54, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

TWPREFS problem

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 – My TWPREFS works when I clear (not bypass...) my cache, and the TWPREFS save screen has been updated to show that clearing is necessary. Dynamic|cimanyD contact me ⁞ my edits 00:04, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

In WP:TWPREFS, in the "General" section, when I try to change the "When opening a user talk page, open it:" option to "In a new tab," then save, it doesn't work. When I revert vandalism, it still opens the talk page in a new window, and when I go back to WP:TWPREFS (even after Ctrl+refreshing), it still says that "In a window, replacing other user talks" (the default option) is selected. I would prefer the talk pages not to open in a new window, but a new tab, so could someone please fix it? I'm using IE9. Dynamic|cimanyD contact me ⁞ my edits 16:21, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Your twinkleoptions.js page shows that you made the change yesterday, but I wonder if your recent rename has something to do with it. There is a redirect from your old page here that might(?) be confusing Twinkle. If you like, I or another admin can delete the redirect to see if that clears up the issue. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 16:34, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't see why it would hurt. Go ahead. Dynamic|cimanyD contact me ⁞ my edits 16:57, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

 Done - If that doesn't solve the problem, hopefully someone else can help you. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 17:00, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, but it still isn't working. Dynamic|cimanyD contact me ⁞ my edits 18:37, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

The "tab" option is not very reliable. The semi-official HTML technique that is used to make links open in a new window was introduced well before tabbed browsing became mainstream, so it can be hard to make it work with modern-day tabbed browsers. I'll need to investigate to see if there is a better way to get this working. — This, that, and the other (talk) 05:57, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

It's not very important, just a minor annoyance. Also, though, why doesn't WP:TWPREFS even recognize the change to my twinkleoptions.js page? Dynamic|cimanyD contact me ⁞ my edits 18:09, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

It would appear that you have overlooked the instructions that TWPREFS shows you when you save your preferences: please WP:BYPASS your cache, or, if that doesn't work, clear it. — This, that, and the other (talk) 07:16, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

I did bypass my cache per the instructions (Ctrl+F5), and TWPREFS said nothing about clearing the cache. However, I have cleared my temporary internet files, and it now displays correctly in TWPREFS. Dynamic|cimanyD contact me ⁞ my edits 14:25, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Due to the nature of Twinkle preferences, Ctrl+F5 is not enough. WP:BYPASS contains instructions on clearing your cache (which is equivalent to, in IE, clearing your Temporary Internet Files), which is why I pointed you there. I'll change TWPREFS' success message to mention clearing cache altogether. — This, that, and the other (talk) 08:03, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

(Outdent) Working! User talk pages now open in a new tab after I revert vandalism. I've marked this as resolved. Dynamic|cimanyD contact me ⁞ my edits 00:04, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Nominating an article for deletion with Twinkle cut out more than half the page

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 – Don't blame Twinkle...

Please see this edit, where I nominated an article for deletion using Twinkle. It cut off the bottom two thirds (roughly) of the article for some reason. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:21, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

We hear about this issue from time to time; however Twinkle can't do much about it – it's some sort of transmission error, either between the user's computer and the server, or between the different servers running Wikipedia. The only solution at the moment, unfortunately, is to revert the edit manually. — This, that, and the other (talk) 07:45, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

News (September 2011)

Just letting you know about some recent improvements to Twinkle, which might otherwise go unnoticed:

• Several new article tags were added, including {{puffery}} and {{cleanup-reorganize}}.
• Administrators can now preview block templates from within the Warn dialog box.
• Rollbackers can now warn vandals more quickly from the rollback results page, without having to copy-paste the article name – it is passed on via the vandal's talk page link, and will be pre-filled in the Warn dialog box.

Potential forthcoming features include:

• The ability to remove article tags using Twinkle.
• Re-adding the block template reason box for the generic block templates (for admins).
• FurMe in Twinkle (hopefully)
• Any other burning desires?

Please help us out by filing bug reports at our bug tracker (requires a github account), or by posting on this page. — This, that, and the other (talk) 01:43, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Some other possible things:

1. #Talkback options
2. Diffs in warnings, like Huggle
3. #WP:UWUL

Just ideas. Dynamic|cimanyD contact me ⁞ my edits 01:55, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Oppose a plethora of talkback templates - we just need one, and any specialized ones where notification is required for a noticeboard posting. No opinion about the "Email" template. Diffs in warnings are fine as long as they're optional. I believe most vandals will know exactly what they did because most vandalism is stupid and pointless. SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:59, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

The diff issue has been raised before. The issue is that Twinkle uses the general purpose warning templates, which lack a parameter for a diff link. Huggle uses its own custom warning templates, I believe. This would be remarkably easy to implement (I think), but the diff parameter needs to be added to the templates beforehand.

Re UWUL, I'm not going to fix that, as I have never seen that format used, and don't like it much myself. If there is overwhelming consensus to change the format, I'll do it, but failing that, the current format will have to do. — This, that, and the other (talk) 07:39, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't care re: UWUL. The important thing is the warning itself - I don't care whether it looks pretty or not, since I can find my way around a talk page. SchuminWeb (Talk) 03:34, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

About diffs, perhaps something like the diff functionality of the {{test}} templates, which I recently stumbled on, could be added? Anyhow, this probably should be discussed somewhere else. Dynamic|cimanyD contact me ⁞ my edits 16:37, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Well, let me be the first to say I'm excited about these announced developments. Being able to Twinkle maintenance tags away is particularly good to have. SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:59, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Please don't use WP:UWUL; it looks ugly on talk pages, and tools like Huggle still create sections the old-fashioned way (== May 2024 ==). —mc10 (t/c) 01:53, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Suddenly not working

Resolved

Twinkle has suddenly stopped working for me despite no change occurring. The tabs aren't even showing up, and they aren't for HotCat either. Tried restarting browser, clearing cache, and disabling then re-enabling the gadgets on preferences but it's still not working. I had just used it to welcome a user, and the next diff I loaded it ceased to function. Running Firefox 6.0.2 Falcon8765 ^(TALK) 17:28, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Weird. It started working again after I loaded the diff of the edit in which I had last used it. Not sure what that was about. Falcon8765 ^(TALK) 17:29, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Exact same thing happening here. I load a diff and no Twinkle. I reload the diff or go to the next edit and Twinkle is back. Millahnna (talk) 17:31, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

I had a very similar strange problem earlier when I was trying to revert vandalism. Twinkle disappeared, and so did the "purge clock" at the top right. The problem vanished a few minutes later. Dynamic|cimanyD contact me ⁞ my edits 19:08, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Yep. Back to normal here too (after a bout of wiki server errors). Millahnna (talk) 19:19, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

This has been happening to me for several weeks. Reloading once or twice always fixes it. I assumed it was a problem unrelated to Twinkle itself, so I didn't bother reporting it. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:28, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Well, since Twinkle's disappearance is accompanied by the disappearance of other gadgets, it would appear to be a server issue. The ResourceLoader is a complex beast – I don't pretend to fully understand it, but it would seem to be having the occasional hiccup. — This, that, and the other (talk) 01:23, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

CfR nominations

Resolved

When creatign a CfR nomination with a target name, Twinkle doesn't use this name on the CfR tag or at the discussion on Wikipedia:Categories for discussion - see this edit (the result of an unparameterized CfR tag) and this one. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:18, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Oddly enough, this works for me in Firefox, but it ought to be broken. I'll see if I can fix it for you. — This, that, and the other (talk) 11:19, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

This should be fixed now, I think. — This, that, and the other (talk) 03:08, 30 September 2011 (UTC)