Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Redirect autopatrol list/Archive 1

Archive 1

Protected edit request on 5 November 2021

Please change {{userr2 to {{user2 (a clear typo by User:Rosguill) 98.230.196.188 (talk) 14:38, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

 Done, thanks IP. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 15:41, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Admins not autopatrolled

The implication in #Procedures that admins are automatically autopatrolled is no longer true. Do any non-autopatrolled admins need adding explicitly to the list? Certes (talk) 12:18, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

We were discussing this at WT:NPP, my perspective is that they can be added as needed when I and other reviewers come across their redirects in thee queue, but there's no need to pre-emptively add all of them. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:21, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers § Redirect autopatrol list notification bot

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers § Redirect autopatrol list notification bot. 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 21:34, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 17 May 2022

Please change the short description to "An allowlist equivalent to autopatrol for redirects", per mw:Inclusive language and the closed requested move above. Thanks! 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 23:46, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Y I have changed the text to Bot-managed autopatrol for redirects only, which addresses the above concern without relying on a neologism. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 00:14, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 28 June 2022

Please add WP:RAL and WP:RPW to the shortcut box of the project page. Thanks, NotReallySoroka (talk) 03:53, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done though it seems like there are too many now. — xaosflux ^Talk 12:59, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 21 August 2022

Hello. I recently changed my username from Bli231957 to Praseodymium-141 and I've realised that my redirects are not getting autopatrolled any more. I'm wondering if you can change the "Bli231957" in the list to "Praseodymium-141". Thanks. ¹⁴¹Pr 07:56, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

 Done DanCherek (talk) 13:44, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 24 February 2023

Please update the following users:

• Berrely is now known as Isochrone
• Bada Kaji is now known as बडा काजी
• Billhpike is now known as BillHPike
• Buffaboy is now known as Dekema
• Deancarmeli is now known as CLalgo
• Ivar the Boneful is now known as ITBF
• Lord Belbury is now known as Belbury
• Nunuxxx is now known as Olympian
• Sabbatino is now known as Sbaio
• Tartan357 is now known as 25stargeneral
• Teemeah is now known as Xia

This should be all of the users on the list that have changed their names but do not have the updated name included. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:13, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

 Done _signed, Rosguill ^talk 20:21, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers § Making redirect autopatrol less bureaucratic

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers § Making redirect autopatrol less bureaucratic. Frostly (talk) 00:14, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Question

Since I'm already listed on this list, does that mean that I'm qualified for Autopatrolled?

If not, can I have an option to turn off reviewed/approved redirect notification by ‪DannyS712 bot III‬. Preferably that option should be turned off by default. Thanks. Hddty (talk) 04:05, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Hey Hddty. Redirect autopatrol list (RAL) is a bit easier to get than autopatrolled. Over at WP:PERM/AP, they usually look for the creation of around 25 perfect articles (non-redirects) in the last year. By "perfect" I mean even little things like categories and defaultsort should be correct.

You can turn off new article reviewed notifications in Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo-echosubscriptions -> "Page review". Hope that helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 05:27, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Bug?

@DannyS712, I've just gotten a notification for a redirect I created, has been patrolled by your bot and I'm not on the whitelist. Do I have a right giving me redirect autopatrol or is it just a bug. Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 04:24, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

The bot marks certain types of redirects as patrolled as well as redirects created by those on the list. Hey man im josh (talk) 10:48, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

@Hey man im josh Which types of redirects? Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 10:51, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Per User:DannyS712 bot III: If here because a redirect that you created was patrolled by the bot, it is because either you are listed at Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Redirect autopatrol list so that all of the redirects you create are patrolled, or because, based on the page title and the target of the redirect, the redirect is assumed to be uncontroversial under specific rules discussed with new page reviewers. See /rules for a full explanation. Hey man im josh (talk) 10:57, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

xTools bug in redirect creation reports

I've reported an xTools bug T342448 that is currently impeding autopatrol request reviews, as xTools currently is omitting deleted redirects from pages created results. It's not an insurmountable bug, as the deleted pages can still be found by searching for "articles and redirects" instead of "Include only redirects", but if the bug can be fixed quickly I'd rather wait until it's been addressed before reviewing further requests. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:20, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Ah. I was wondering why this backlog was getting bigger. Just now saw your message Rosguill. I'll see if I can find some time to look into that Phab you filed, T342448. Let me also try pinging @MusikAnimal, since this bug is causing us a 22 person backlog here. –Novem Linguae (talk) 19:53, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Rosguill. FYI we found a workaround. While the first page is wrong, if you click on "Deleted (0)" at the top there, the page that loads after that click is correct. –Novem Linguae (talk) 20:43, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

That's only showing deleted pages, which may or may not be redirects. I'm glad that works for you all in the meantime, though!

Repeating what I said over at phab:T342448#9074804: the issue we currently can't identify if the deleted pages were redirects, so the "bug" is actually expected behaviour. I've long been wanting to toy with the edit tags and see if we can efficiently ascertain redirect status of deleted pages (phab:T190065), but I just haven't had time to work on it. I'll try to look into it soon. In the meantime, I may go ahead and do phab:T183064 which is easy to fix, and would make the known caveats with the Pages Created tool more clear to the user. — MusikAnimal ^talk 17:25, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for taking a look at that. Interesting that the 0/deleted page filters for deleted redirects fine, but the 0/onlyredirects doesn't. The fact that the 0/deleted page can filter for it indicates that it's doable on the 0/onlyredirect page, right? Could even do two separate queries and array_merge them, perhaps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 20:12, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

If it's a hard limitation, I'd rather have the old behavior of "shows all existing redirects and all deleted pages". _signed, Rosguill ^talk 20:14, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Well, I should have just sat down and tried… phab:T190065 turned out to be pretty easy! So expect the "redirects" and "deleted" options to work as you would expect them to soon :) There's still a caveat, though – we can only do this for deleted pages that were created before December 2017, when the mw-new-redirect was first added (phab:T73236).

The "0//deleted" options never was able to identify redirects until now; It's just coincidence that most of those created by @Novem Linguae are in fact redirects. Test, will delete in a sec 9836, 季 and Lidya (company) are examples of deleted non-redirects.

I need to rethink the defaults now. Before, the redirects option isn't respected when you request deleted pages (or both live/deleted). For WP:PERM/A and similar purposes, you generally want to exclude redirects, but include for deleted, which just happens to be the status quo because we couldn't filter out deleted redirects anyway. So I'm wondering if we should be explicit and make a new redirects option "Include redirects for deleted pages only", or just always include redirects for both live and deleted?

The current defaults are to use the mainspace, exclude redirects, and include live and deleted pages. Let me know if you have any thoughts on changing that given what I've said above. Best, — MusikAnimal ^talk 20:37, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

@Rosguill @Novem Linguae I've got a fix in on our staging server. Does this now work like you'd expect? If so, I will get this deployed on Monday.

I ended up not adding a "Include redirects for deleted pages only" option, just to keep things simple. If there's demand for it, though, I can make it happen. — MusikAnimal ^talk 22:36, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

If you endorse, please say what you checked

@Silcox and EggRoll97: Hello everyone that endorsed above. Can you do me a favor, and if you endorse someone, please state in detail which of their stats you checked? If I get time to work on this backlog, I am likely to ignore any supports that don't mention something like "They have 257 redirects created and only 4 deleted. Of the 4 deleted, 2 of them were G7, and 2 were RFDs that closed as delete". The count of their total redirects created (so that we know they met the 100 suggested minimum), and a detailed check of their deleted redirects to make sure they don't misfire too often, is basically the criteria for receiving this pseudo-perm. Thank you for assisting us with this backlog. –Novem Linguae (talk) 20:02, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

@Novem Linguae: I'm not sure if my newest endorsements are what you're looking for, but if not, let me know and I'll try to rephrase them. EggRoll97 ^(talk) 00:13, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

@Novem Linguae By default, I check every redirect listed in the "tools" link as generated by {{rauto}}. So, if I were to assess User:Example's bid for RAL, I would go

Example (t · c · del · cross-wiki · SUL · edit counter · redirects created · logs ^{(block • rights • moves)} · rfar · spi)

as look at every redirect that the "xtools" link lists. I don't really look elsewhere given that I already run a fairly detailed check. Silcox (talk) 06:54, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

To add to the "257 redirects" parts of your comment, the convention here at WT:RAL is that a request for RAL rights would also include these statistics. For instance, Festucalex's bid above already states that they "have created 322 redirects with 0 deleted" as of their application. So I fail to see why the endorsements will have to repeat the number of redirects that a prospective candidate has created. Silcox (talk) 06:56, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Just an FYI that the XTools link might be broken. See Rosguill's post above and phab:T342448. This is why Rosguill has stopped approving these for the moment... waiting for XTools to be fixed. –Novem Linguae (talk) 07:46, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I am aware of Rosguill's post above regarding XTools. Silcox (talk) 07:53, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 20 December 2023

Change "New Page Reviewers" to "new page reviewers" because the name is not often capitalized. Toadette ^{(Happy holiday!)} 19:49, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:56, 20 December 2023 (UTC)