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How to move a page from my sandbox to "live" status

I've built a draft article in my sandbox. Now I'm ready to forward it for review -- a step I presume is in the chain from authoring to publishing. But I cannot find in all the <help> pages the right instructions for doing this. Please advise. Morees68 (talk) 17:07, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi @Morees68: Welcome to the Teahouse! Glad to hear you've got a draft going. To mark it for review, add {{subst:submit}} to the top of your sandbox. An experienced editor will come by and review the article, and will either publish it or let you know why they're rejecting it. Note that there is a backlog of articles waiting for review, so it may take anywhere from a day to a few weeks for another editor to get to it. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 17:17, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

So easy! Many thanks. I'll do that happily, and thanks for your help. Morees68 (talk) 17:20, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

How to mark up blockquotes containing multiple paragraphs

According to the wiki documentation I've seen so far, blockquotes are said to be marked up like so:

<blockquote>Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet.</blockquote>

which display as you'd expect:

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet.

However, this style of markup doesn't work with multiple-paragraph quotes:

<blockquote>Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet. Consectetuer adipiscing elit.</blockquote>

The above displays as a single blockquoted paragraph:

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet. Consectetuer adipiscing elit.

I have found a workaround, to enter a carriage return immediately after the opening tag:

<blockquote> Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet. Consectetuer adipiscing elit.</blockquote>

Now the two paragraphs are properly formatted:

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet.
Consectetuer adipiscing elit.

This foible strikes me as significant enough to add to the wiki documentation. Do you agree? Juniperpaul (talk) 22:36, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Juniperpaul. The carriage return to start a new paragraph does not apply just to blockquotes. It is the standard way to create a new paragraph in wikicode and is familiar to all experienced editors. We do not use the old technique of indenting at the beginning of a new paragraph.

More importantly, it is rare that a Wikipedia article should include a quote of several paragraphs. Most material published since 1923 is copyrighted, and it is best to limit quotes from copyrighted sources to no more than two or three sentences, except in limited cases. Even when quoting older sources where copyright has expired, an encyclopedia article should summarize and paraphrase the sources, rather than quoting them at great length. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:11, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Cullen328. I believe I'm using blockquotes properly to format blocks of quoted text (not as a way of indenting normal text). I want to format the quotes as more than one paragraph only because that's how the original text was written.

What I'm pointing out is a peculiarity in the way the wiki software displays blockquote markup. Carriage returns separating text within the blockquote are ignored unless there's a carriage return immediately after the opening <blockquote> tag.

I've added Template:Code markup to my post above to make it more clear what I mean. Juniperpaul (talk) 20:54, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Article Lead Format

I've been looking in the Manual of Style, but I haven't been able to find an answer to this question. In the lead paragraph of an article, what is the proper format for ordering information in an article on something that is less common than its counterpart?

Put the common first, then the current (and less common) topic?
Put the topic first, then the more common counterpart?
Speak only of the topic, and ignore the more common counterpart in the lead?

For example, if the article was called Snow in Arizona (which isn't an article, by the way), which sentence in the lead is the appropriate one, per the Manual of Style:

"Unlike many other states, Arizona does not get very much snow"
"Arizona does not get very much snow, unlike many other states"
"Arizona does not get very much snow."

Maybe not those exact words, but that kind of format in referring to the rare topic at hand and the more common counterpart.

Is there an official methodology, per the Manual of Style, and, if so, what is it? Pikachu (talk) 17:18, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi Pikachu. Nothing official that I can find. See Wikipedia:Writing better articles#Lead section. The lead should start out with a descriptive sentence and then summarize the article roughly in the order topics are covered in the article. So how to put a comparison in the lead will depend on the article content. If it is so important that it has to be in the first sentence, start out with the topic: "Snow in Arizona is rare compared to other states." Or do it without a comparison: "Snow in Arizona is rare because of its geographic location." and have the comparison in the body of the article. If the comparison comes later in the lead either order is fine.

By the way, Arizona depends on the snowfall in its mountains for much of its water supply. StarryGrandma (talk) 21:08, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Cannot edit through my iPhone / iPad

Hello,

I cannot scroll down the page in the edit mode with my iPhone 5 / iPad 2. But I can do it when using my MacBook. What is the problem ? Was that because I am using iOS7 ?

Best regards, Clifford Tsang (HKCX) HKCX (talk) 14:48, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello, HKCX. Welcome to the Teahouse. For reporting bugs like this, it is best to go to the Village pump and ask this there. Good luck, —DangerousJXD (talk) 21:28, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

What does it mean when...

...an editor templates another editor? I saw this on someone's user page once a while ago: "I don't mind if you decide to template me." Thanks, —DangerousJXD (talk) 08:13, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

DangerousJXD there are templates available for a range of purposes including warnings given to other editors. It is considered poor form to template an experienced editor. Flat Out let's discuss it 09:51, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Wow - I know some editors who consider themselves to be above any criticism, but I had no idea that was the official position. I can hardly wait to get to that state, where I become all-knowing and I can ignore the rules which bind the lesser mortals. Or have I perhaps misunderstood your point; is there some other way (not using templates) to manage unacceptable behaviour of the more experienced?--Gronk Oz (talk) 10:16, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

@DangerousJXD: It's only about posting templates from Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace. It doesn't apply to manually written posts. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:58, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Please note that, as clearly stated at the top, Wikipedia:Don't template the regulars is an essay, which just gives an opinion, it is not a policy or guideline, so is not "the official position". - Arjayay (talk) 12:19, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

I get told by bots that I linked to a disambiguation page all the time. This is, of course, appreciated. Given the risk of losing my work if I check links, it's easy to forget.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:47, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Doubled photo

I just posted a new article, St. James Episcopal Church (Richmond, Virginia) despite not knowing how to have just a single photo in the infobox. Clearly, there is only one call, but this happened before with St James Episcopal Church (Baltimore, Maryland) and someone managed to fix it after I likewise couldn't figure out what went wrong. Thanks for your help.Jweaver28 (talk) 21:01, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Hey Jweaver28. I fixed it with this edit (click here). As with the prior request – if you use image syntax when you're placing a file in an infobox it will usually break, because the code for displaying the image is supplied by the infobox code. So I removed [[file: and |100px]] That type of code is for when you're placing an image directly in the body of the article (some infoboxes will have no problem with "file:" being included, and some not).

By the way, every page has a page history. Any edit summaries left by others when they edited can be viewed there (among other features). If you look at the edit history of St James Episcopal Church you'll see I explained a bit about what the issue was. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:45, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the fix and explanation.Jweaver28 (talk) 21:54, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

I need to do editing realted to indian caste system.

How i can edit the wrong information for some article.I do not know how to attach the reference with my sentence and also how to link pages with other same informative pages.

Pappuverma11 (talk) 22:03, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi Pappuverma11 and welcome to the Teahouse. If you know a piece of information in an article is wrong, and can find a reliable source that says so, you are welcome to remove it -- simply click the edit button, find the text that is wrong, and remove it or rewrite it to make it right. Make sure that you cite a reliable source if you change or remove anything -- in the main editing window (what you get when you click edit), click "cite", and then choose the type of reference you have, and fill out the little form that will pop up ... that will format the reference for you automatically. Let me know if that doesn't work, and we can discuss other ways to cite stuff. Finally, when you make your edit, leave an edit summary in the bottom that says what you did and why -- this helps other editors understand what you are doing. Thanks for the great question, and let us know if we can be of further assistance. All the best, Go Phightins! 22:25, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

How to create a new page with all reference

I want to write a new article but do not know how to write it ? Please guide me.

Pappuverma11 (talk) 22:04, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello again -- the best advice I have on creating an article is found at this help page: Wikipedia:Your first article. The articles for creation process, although backlogged, is the place I would recommend you submit your draft article to, as a reviewer will give it a quick once-over before it gets moved to main space. If you need specific help, let us know. Thanks! Go Phightins! 22:27, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Article on an elementary school

It's for Niji-Iro Elementary School 1. It's an article on an elementary school, and it was my understanding that those did not warrant a wiki page. Can or should it be removed? 2. Some of the sources cited are from Michigan Capitol Confidential, which is a news source with specific point of view. Should those be included? 3. I have made revisions to the wiki entry (removal of dead links, better information, etc). Is there a place I can post it for others to review without making it public for everyone? I've never done an extensive article edit before and I don't want to do it badly!! WhateverHappenedToBabyJane (talk) 11:33, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

WhateverHappenedToBabyJane - firstly, I have to say that's one of the best user names I have seen. But that's beside the point; welcome to the Teahouse. I assume the article is Niji-Iro Japanese Immersion Elementary School, and I agree that it is hard to see anything particularly notable about this subject. Especially since more than half of the article is taken up with the history of a different, predecessor school. I have started the ball rolling by placing a Notability tag on the article. The next step could be to start a Notability discussion on its Talk page, possibly leading to a proposal to delete it. There is nowhere secret to post suggestions; everywhere on Wikipedia is public. So I suggest putting your suggested changes on the article's Talk page for comment. If you get it wrong, other editors there can help to improve it.--Gronk Oz (talk) 15:36, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Gronk Oz - Thank you for your reply!

1. How do I 'tag' you in response? So that you know I am responding to your comment? 2. Is a Notability discussion necessary? If so, how do I start it? I know I can just post to the Talk page, but do I just simply put 'This doesn't seem to be worthy of a wiki entry'? 3. Thank you again

WhateverHappenedToBabyJane (talk) 16:03, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

WhateverHappenedToBabyJane, if you edit this section, you can see the code involved. Gronk Oz will let Gronk Oz know you responded.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:51, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

You do need to say something about notability. If much of the article is about another school, you need to say that. Japanese Immersion sounds like it would help the school establish notability. I'm not absolutely certain that would be enough.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:09, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

WhateverHappenedToBabyJane, another user has already fixed this. Boleyn has merged this into another article, Livonia Public Schools. So if you try to go to the old page (Niji-Iro Japanese Immersion Elementary School), it will redirect you to the Livonia page. Frankly, I think that is better than just deleting the article, and I am disappointed that I didn't think of it. It effectively bypasses the question of whether there should be a discussion about notability, because it's still there, but as part of a larger and more notable subject.

P.S. To pick up on a comment that Vchimpanzee made, one of the tricks of Wikipedia is that all the code is visible by using the "Edit" tab. So whenever I see something and I think "how did they do that", such as your question about how to "tag" somebody to get their attention, it just takes one click to see all the details of how they did it.--Gronk Oz (talk) 22:39, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

definition of coffee clutch

As A child growing up in the 50's neighbors got together in coffee clutches but I can't definition in Wikipedia98.125.40.198 (talk) 23:16, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Probably a modification of [1]. A tea party with coffee instead. Jim.henderson (talk) 23:23, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

It's certainly variable but the common spelling is "coffee klatches"--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:45, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

'what links here' question

Dear friends, When I use 'what links here' tool, I'd really like to see the articles that link to a particular article X. But if article X is placed into some Infobox, then, instead, I get to see the list of articles where this Infobox is included. Not the same thing! :)

So, in other words, is there a way to sort out the Infobox links from the real links? Some search filter perhaps? Thank you. Eio-cos (talk) 18:35, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi @Eio-cos: Welcome to the Teahouse! When you visit Special:WhatLinksHere, you'll see a list of filters. Selecting "Hide transclusions" will disclude links from templates, such as the infoboxes. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 18:40, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your help, SuperHamster. I tried what you suggested but it didn't work... Specifically, I'm looking for pages that link to Teuchitlan tradition. On my browser (FF) I didn't see "Hide transclusions" as filter; I saw it as hotlink instead, after I used WhatLinksHere. So when I clicked hotlink "Hide transclusions", nothing happens, and I still see a long and useless list of articles where an Infobox is included.

If you have a link with the appropriate results that I seek, please post it for me. Thanks in advance. Eio-cos (talk) 18:58, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

@Eio-cos: It's a frequent request but not possible. Many previous requests are listed at Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 March 25#Filtering "what links here". PrimeHunter (talk) 21:52, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for late response, friends. I had a system crash, but now it´s fine.

So, as I understand it, the "Hide transclusions" function in Wikipedia is broken, and cannot be used? Please clarify. Eio-cos (talk) 22:07, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

@Eio-cos: "Hide transclusions" is not broken but it does something other than some users expect. It's only useful for pages which are sometimes transcluded, mainly templates. Consider for example Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Infobox film. It's mostly articles saying "(transclusion)" because those articles contain code of form {{Infobox film|...}} to transclude Template:Infobox film. "Hide transclusions" will remove these and only display pages which wikilink the template, for example with the code [[Template:Infobox film]]. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:28, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your response, PrimeHunter. So, as I understand it, the answer to my original question, "Is there a way to sort out the Infobox links from the real links?" is No. Is this correct? Eio-cos (talk) 22:53, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

@Eio-cos: That is correct. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:04, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Today I learned, @PrimeHunter: Thanks! ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 03:42, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

How to get a list of all .svg files on Wikipedia.org and commons.wikimedia.org?

Hi!

I do have a very slow internet connection. Nonetheless it would be fast enough to download a list of the files I'm looking for: I want a list of all .svg files on Wikipedia.org and commons.wikimedia.org. (And later on after that of all svg-files on the other wikipedia and wikimedia pages.)

But my internet connection is not fast enough to find the right search-words by trial and error: It's absolutly tedious to do trial-and-error with 64kbit/sec.

Could anyone point me to the right page on wikipedia or commons.wikimedia where I could start such a search and which keywords and settings to use?

Greetings John — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.113.99.195 (talk) 00:24, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Note: Question has been asked and answered at the Help Desk. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 03:46, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

How to create a user page

Hi, I'm new to Wikipedia, and I'd like to create a user page. I read several articles on how to do this, but I'm still confused. Please help! FlameLightFleeNight (talk) 09:35, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi @FlameLightFleeNight: It looks like you managed to create one at User:FlameLightFleeNight since you asked this question - nice job! You've already got a nice selection of userboxes. Other things you could include (if you want) are a short introduction about yourself, when you joined, what sort edits you make, any WikiProjects you might be a part of, etc. You may also create subpages of your userpage: for example, you might use User:FlameLightFleeNight/sandbox as a sandbox to make test edits or store drafts. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 13:51, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

How to remove a photo

I'd just like to point out that the photo included in the infobox for British film director Gordon Hessler is actually a photo of US film producer Charles J Schneer. I'm not sure how to remove it, or whether some higher judge needs to comment first! Clamias Clamias (talk) 13:22, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi Clamias. Well spotted and thanks for the correction. You can click the "Edit" tab to edit an infobox or lead. I have removed the photo from the article [2]. More complicated cleanup including renaming commons:File:Gordon Hessler 1974.jpg and commons:File:Gordon Hessler and Caroline Munro 1974.jpg and editing other pages should also be done. I expect to do that later today if others don't do it first. For the record, the photo was mislabeled by the source [3]. I have posted a comment with the correction there: "The man is the film's producer Charles H. Schneer and not the director Gordon Hessler." PrimeHunter (talk) 14:21, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Making User Page

Hello, I was curious, how do i get a good user page, where do I ask for help, can someone help me GodLike (talk) 15:04, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello GodLike and welcome to the Teahouse. For making your user page look nice, see: Wikipedia:User page design center. You can also "clone/borrow/steal" the code from someone else's user page. Just ensure that you change it enough that it does not look like you are trying to impersonate the other user. Wikipedia:User pages is a good guide as to what kind of things are appropriate in user space. And when you use the work someone else has created, in the edit summary please attribute the work to them by naming the user you copied the content from. If you want to add userboxes you can start here: Wikipedia:Userboxes. There are also many, many customized userboxes floating around on user pages in the Wikipedia, if you find one you fancy just copy the code from the page. If you are further interested in defining yourself and your style there is also the Wikipedia:WikiFauna. Best, w.carter-Talk 15:23, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

I want to know the reason

My article was declined on the logic that no sufficient material. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:CosmicEmperor#Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation:_1987_Meerut_Riots_.28April_6.29

But 1990 Hyderabad riots don't look like it has huge material but still it exists. I strongly disagree that 1987 Meerut riots is a part of Hashimpura Massacre(42 deaths) , as Hashimpura Massacre is a part of 1987 Meerut riots(345 deaths including 42 from Hashimpura massacre).See in 1987 Indian media(private new channels were not in existence , so less news source). If you want to keep 1987 Meerut riots and Hashimpura massacre separately its okay. But don't ask me edit Hashimpura massacre. I gave enough reference in the draft. Only thing wrong was that maybe I wrote less than mentioned in the sources. I don't have time for that. I think the article was rejected without checking the references and sources properly.Cosmic Emperor (talk) 01:13, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, CosmicEmperor. I agree that Wikipedia ought to have an article about the Meerut riots, but your current draft has serious shortcomings that should be addressed first. The draft article fails to adequately describe the event. The lead paragraph does not even say the events took place in India, let alone what state in India, and also does not say that the rioting took place between Muslims and Hindus. Muslims are not mentioned until the second section, and one Hindu is mentioned in the third. Wikilinking is poor, and the article assumes that readers (who may reside anywhere in the world) are familiar with organizations and social forces specific to India. Please rewrite your article to be understandable and useful to a young student living on another continent who knows very little about India and its social groups.

Your references are bare URLs for the most part. Please read Referencing for beginners, follow its advice, and fill out your references properly. Then resubmit, and good luck. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:27, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

As for 1990 Hyderabad riots, that article is a stub, our lowest quality category, and is really mediocre. You don't want to strive to produce poor quality articles, do you? Far better to write even one informative and useful article. Then you can move on and improve the Hyderabad riot article if you want, and you will be well on the way to being a useful Wikipedia editor. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:45, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi CosmicEmperor - What I was saying is that the two incidents should be part of the same article. The Hashimpura massacre article is much more detailed and well-referenced. Based on your article, and since the two are inter-related, I feel that the two subjects should be combined, and since the other article is more detailed and referenced, you could fold your article into the existing article, as a precursor to the massacre. Based on the two articles currently, that would seem to be the way to go. Right now, almost a third of your article deals with the Hashimpura massacre. I would also definitely take a look at Referencing for beginners, as Cullen328 suggested, as well as his other suggestions about improving the current article. Not sure why you brought in the 1990 riots article, as that has nothing to do with either your article, or the related article I suggested you merge with. Onel5969 (talk) 16:07, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Reorganizing "Vidon" redirect & "Monte Vidon" disambig page?

VidOn/Vidon currently redirects to the Monte Vidon disambig page. It would be helpful if an entry for VidOn Media Center by VidOn.me could be included so I'm seeking advice on the best way to handle this.

I've created one potential solution on my sandbox page (User:GDW13/sandbox) that could be substituted for the current Vidon redirect. Please comment on this and/or other solutions.

Thanks!

GDW13 (talk) 06:34, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello, GDW13. Disambiguation pages should normally point only to articles, not to items in lists. It will be appropriate to think about a dab page for Vidon once there is an article on VidOn Media Center, and not before. If this product meets the notability requirements, then an article may be written about it. If it does not, an article should not be attempted, and the disambiguation will be inappropriate. --ColinFine (talk) 17:07, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

How can I reference it properly

My Draft:Pickleboy is getting rejected despite having large amounts of references. What more can I do? Wackslas - Holler at me (talk) 14:26, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Wackslas. What you need to do is to find places where people who have no connection to Pickleboy have written articles about him, and published them in reliable places such as major newspapers. (It could be videos talking about him, but they would still need to have been published somewhere that has a reputation for editorial control and fact checking). The Charleston City Paper articles might meet that criterion - but they're not about Pickleboy, and only mention him in passing. None of the YouTube links counts as a reliable source. The Heyman Hustle article is possibly reliable, but it is very short, and doesn't mention Pickleboy once (it mentions "Junior", which I guess is him, but only to quote him, so again it does not say anything about him). And so on. --ColinFine (talk) 17:19, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

"United States" entry is religiously polemic?

After reading the Wiki page on the U.S., I was amazed, and saddened, to see no mention of The Enightenment as a factor in the emergence of an 18th century New World democracy. And yet, oddly, there was a substantial reference to something called The Great Awakening," an apparently arcane Protestant social movement I have never heard of but which seems to conform to some editor's notion of important American history. Perhaps I have some history to learn. But is it possible the inclusion of religious minutiae at the expense of omitting The Enlightenment resembles Indiana's recent attempt to enthrone a religious worldview against a deeply secular Wikipedia Concorde? --Enzephyron (locked out of editing that page). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enzephyron (talk • contribs) 03:10, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Enzephyron. You are unable to edit that article only because your account is too new: a few articles which have historically been subject to a lot of vandalism are "semi-protected", which means that until your account is "autoconfirmed", (i.e. until it has been in existence for four days and made ten edits), you are unable to edit it. You have only just created the account, and made only this one edit, so at present, that is not a page you are able to edit - but there are millions which you can!

In any case, while an auto-confirmed account can in principle edit that article, I would advise anybody, however experienced, against doing so without first obtaining consensus. The thing to do is to post your concern on the article's talk page Talk:United States; but if you look at that page, you will see that there are 68 pages of archived discussion, so it is worth searching them to find out if this question has previously been discussed. (For example, I searched for "enlightenment" and got four hits, but none of them appear to me to be quite to your point). What you will need to do to get the article changed is to achieve consensus; that is, persuade other people that the change will improve the article. You will need to argue entirely from reliable published sources (not from your own opinion or your own unpublished research), and you may need to make compromises to achieve consensus. Good luck! --ColinFine (talk) 16:58, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

See the article American Enlightenment. The Great Awakenings are not arcane or minute but contributed to the development of American democracy and the abolition of slavery. However the American Enlightenment played a large part in the movement toward independence and should be mentioned in the article. StarryGrandma (talk) 18:53, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Article got deleted

Hi I am a new user and I posted an article about a women employment company called sherows. I received a warning that it was subject to deletion as the article sounded promotional and once I edited it better the warning was taken away. But the n the article got deleted for the same reason. Can I write a better version of the article and put it up again? Or how do I get them to undelete it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Littlegliff (talk • contribs)

Hi Littlegliff and welcome to the Teahouse. The problem with that article is that it read like an advertisement. Are you affiliated with SHEROES in any way? If so, make sure you are extra careful to follow our policy on editing with conflicts of interest. If not, I would recommend sending a draft article through the articles for creation process, making sure you try to write from a neutral point of view, using reliable sources -- basically, try to use news articles about SHEROES rather than content taken from its website. Let me know if I can be of further assistance. Happy editing! Go Phightins! 22:30, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

thankyou for your response. No, i am in no way affiliated to SHEROES , i was just wanting to post an article about them. I had added the links to the articles about SHEROES, though that didnt seem to work. Anyway, I have written a better version of it, is there any way to verify if it sound right? Ill be really grateful if you can help. Littlegliff (talk) 09:20, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Can you provide a link to your draft of the article? Type [[Article title]] ... the title is whatever appears after en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

Thanks. Go Phightins! 19:27, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

How to Properly Write About a Proprietary Style of Yoga such as Jivamukti does

Hello, I am embarking upon making/updating a page that will discuss a proprietary style of yoga. I noticed that Jivamukti refers to themselves in this way. Is there any specific guidance for doing such a thing? We have the copyrights and trademarks for our yoga, how do we go about showing those to wikipedia so they will accept our page?

Also, maybe I can just build it in my sandbox, and submit it for review before publishing, will someone be able to guide me that way, without me being penalized if I make too many mistakes?Annalynnehurtgen (talk) 19:55, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Annalynnehurtgen. It is good that you are disclosing your affiliation from the beginning. Please read about Conflict of interest on Wikipedia, and create a user page where you declare your conflict. As for writing a draft article, I recommend the Articles for creation process. Your draft will be reviewed by an experienced editor. The content must be based primarily on references to significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. If such coverage does not exist, then your style of Yoga is not eligible for a Wikipedia article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:58, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

I need to edit my references

Hello, I need to edit my references but don't know how to do it. I have looked everyone and I am sure the answer is somewhere... just now where I am looking. Thank You. Tee TeeMarek (talk) 14:35, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, TeeMarek. I recommend Referencing for beginners. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 14:55, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello, TeeMarek. If you are asking about Draft:Young Drivers of Canada, editing references is less a problem than finding reliable, independent sources. Two experienced editors, Sionk and FoCuSandLeArN, left that feedback when the draft was not accepted, and when it was restored after speedy deletion. Most of the references included in the draft are either to the company’s website (not independent) or to YouTube (not considered a reliable source). The remaining 3 sources do not provide significant coverage of Young Drivers— although the Bloomberg and Open Corporates sites could be used to verify non-controversial facts about the company if there were otherwise significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. It appears the company is non-notable. It’s possible you may have some published sources that are available in public or university libraries but not available online, in which case you can cite those sources to establish notability. You need to complete that research first, because just editing the existing sources will be an exercise in futility. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 18:32, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello again. I have amended the references before looking at your response. The problem with Young Drivers is that there are alot of articles on them but it terms of what has been mentioned in the wikipedia article, there is little to verify except for the corporate website and the YouTube videos. Looking at how to include references, they need to relate to the topic being discussed, which in this case can be difficult. Thanks, TeeTeeMarek (talk) 21:16, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

I want to create an article.

I want to create an article called "James Bond Radio", a British podcast series discussing the films and other related topics. They have interviewed people who worked on the series. They have thier own website plus a Youtube channel. I have thought about writing it in my sandbox. That way, i can save it and add to it a bit at a time before deciding to submit for approval. If anyone here can help me in different ways, such as a list of codes or general advice.

I am not starting on the article until i have advice and enough sources.

Hope to hear from you soon.

Martinwylie1990 (talk) 22:12, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the teahouse!! I suggest read over Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia for an overview of the how too's...but first pls read WP:GNG as Wikipedia articles cover notable topics—those that have gained sufficiently significant attention by the world at large and over a period of time. -- Moxy (talk) 23:24, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

How can I upload a photo?

How can I upload a photo on wikipedia article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Habib.thcs (talk • contribs) 08:38, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the teahouse!! Pls see Help:Uploading images or you can read this PDF -- Moxy (talk) 23:27, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

"Template" article requires citations

Hello,

A complete Wikipedia newbie, I'm trying to add a template article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Template:MUBI_film) to assist with adding links to MUBI (an cult/international/arthouse film database) to film pages on Wikipedia.

However, my draft was declined because of a lack of references (as described on the page itself0.

So my question is: what citations or references could I give for a *template* article? That is, a page set up simply to create a shorthand text for editing 'normal' Wiki pages?uey

For example, this IMDb template doesn't include references: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:IMDb_title

Thanks for all your help in advance.

Hueymc (talk) 01:22, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

@Hueymc: Hi! You are correct, templates do not need references, I think that editor had one to many wikibeers :) However, as it stands your "template" isn't a template, invoking it somewhere won't give the results you say it will in the "instructions". Ill head over there and see if I can fix it up, OK? EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 01:53, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

@Hueymc: I have coded a extremely basic template for you over at Template:MUBI film and included your documentation. Good luck and I hope it works. If you have any problems, feel free to contact me here (and use {{Ping}}) or on my talkpage. Thanks! EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 02:23, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

How does one become a host

Hello; how does one become a teahouse host and are there any requirements to be such a host? What new responsibilities would this position entail? Royalmate3 (talk) 02:03, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

@Royalmate3: Welcome! While there are no "official requirements" it is preffered that editors have good background wikipedia knowledge, are patient, and are good at explaining. With only 118 edits, I personally recommend that you hang out and do some more other stuff for awhile before coming and helping out here. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 02:28, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Uploading photos from Flickr

Are there any CLEAR instructions on how to get a photo with the right copyright license to land on a person's Wikipedia page? I work mostly with artists and they load the photo to flickr, and then there it sits. Plain speak is greatly appreciated; I've tried to resolve my dilemma by searching for the proper Wikipedia pages, but they never make complete sense to me.

Thanks. I've been trying to resolve this for weeks.

Marilyn Nix (talk) 04:20, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi Marilyn Nix. The simplest way that I can think of is [[Filename|thumb|alt=Example alt text|Example caption]]. For example, say you wanted to add Today's featured picture to an article. You would click "Edit" for the article you want to add the picture to and then add [[File:Israel-2013-Jaffa 01.jpg|thumb|alt=View of Jaffa, from the beachfront of Tel Aviv in 2013|Today's featured picture]] to the article. If you want to add the image to an infobox, the markup is slightly different. Refer to the template page of the infobox you are using for more details. You may have to adjust the size, etc. You can learn more about this at "How to place an image". If you want see how my example markup looks, just copy and past it into your sandbox and click "Show Preview". You can also change the caption and alt text to something else if you like.

Finally, I would suggest that you familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's image use policy before adding any images to articles just to make sure the image can be used. For Flickr images, I suggest looking at Wikipedia:Upload/Flickr. I also recommend you practice adjusting the size, etc. of the image in your sandbox and not the article itself. Anyway, I hope that's the information you wanted. - Marchjuly (talk) 08:07, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Marilyn Nix. It would be nice if every Flickr image was OK to use on Wikipedia, but sadly, that is not true. There are many licenses that Flikr users can choose, and only a few of them are acceptable for Wikimedia Commons, our image repository. To simplify, our acceptable Wikimedia Commons licenses allow re-use for any purpose, including commercial uses. That means posters and coffee mugs, if credited properly. Many Flikr users won't go that far, which is their right. If so, we simply can't use their images. That's because we emphasize free content, even for the guy down the street, making t-shirts in his garage, as long as he attributes the source. Free. No royalties. Not negotiable. I hope this helps. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:32, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Newbie wants to undertake a major rewrite of existing article, could an experienced editor mentor my efforts?

I would like to do a major rewrite of the page LibriVox page but I am a newbie and feel I need expert review. I have posted in various talk pages but don't expect a response any time soon because the talk pages have pretty low traffic. I have never modified a wikipedia article to the extent I believe is needed for the LibriVox article and would really like an experienced wikipedia editor to critique my work. How would I find this editor? Thanks for your help. TimoleonWash (talk) 17:49, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello !! I See your also at the project page..thats a good start....if no reply BE BOLD.....bookmark Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia for your how to page to get info as you need it. I will watch the page as you go help where possible when I login. -- Moxy (talk) 23:36, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Moxy (talk)! I have bookmarked the pages you suggested and will study them before proceeding. And thanks greatly for offering to watch over things for me and wikipedia. I hope to begin the editing in the next week or three and I hope to hear from you again after my rewrite. If I put the new page in my sandbox, could you look at it there? TimoleonWash (talk) 09:18, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Showing a Connection Between Two People If there is no published source

--Annalynnehurtgen (talk) 00:21, 8 April 2015 (UTC)If you want to show a connection between two people when there is no published third-party source, is it possible to have a person write a letter to wikipedia verifying that it is indeed true that there is a connection between those two people and that that is allowed to be published as such on Wikipedia? Is there an official way to do that?

Hello, Annalynnehurtgen. I'm afraid not. If it hasn't been published, it doesn't go into Wikipedia, period. (Yes, I know there's actually plenty of material added long ago, and a certain amount that continues to get in under the radar, but that is the fundamental principle). In some cases, the publication doesn't need to be third-party: if a public figure's official website says that they have worked with a certain other person, that would be enough, in my view, for Wikipedia to report the fact. But only non-controversial factual data can come from non-independent sources. --ColinFine (talk) 09:52, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Solapur

I have given proper citations and references, few inline citations for the Solapur city, this article has been earlier criticised for biased towards the ethnic chauvinism for Kannada and Marathi languages and some anonymous users vandalize the page by erasing all or part to lessen the factual accuracy, Please somebody protect it from vandalism, I want to ask can the refimprove tag be removed from it now? Ankush 89 (talk) 00:37, 8 April 2015 (UTC) No reply or help from anybuddy? :(

@Ankush 89:, welcome to the Teahouse but please remember all questions here are answered by other editors like you and we are all volunteers so sometimes it takes time for answers to be forthcoming. Looking at the article, it would appear that EoRdE6 (talk · contribs) also thinks that the refimprove tag can be removed and has done so. You could have done this yourself if you thought it was no longer applicable, removal of maintenance tags like this doesn't require permission if you think it is reasonable to do so. The page was protected for a period last year but I don't see any real signs of major or long term vandalism since then so any page protection request now would, in all likelihood, be refused. Page protection is only applied where there is actual, recentr evidence that it is required not as a precuation. Nthep (talk) 11:02, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Help to Translate please

Hello. And who ever can help translate this - https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farhat_-_Il_principe_del_deserto#Personaggi to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Poti_Berik/sandbox2#Characters from italian (i'm little knew italian language) to english, and why the my sandbox submission declined twice. Best regards Poti Berik (talk) 14:18, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi Poti Berik and welcome to the Teahouse. Have you tried asking for assistance at Wikipedia:Translation? I believe the information you are looking for can be found on that page. Good luck. - Marchjuly (talk) 06:37, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

- Thanks and why the my sandbox submission declined twice ? Best regards--Poti Berik (talk) 13:27, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

deleting the two books that I have created

Hi, I have created two books which I want to delete now as I am getting used to the system. Two people have answered my questions but I am still none the wiser in deleting the books. One said to put in {{ab-1}} or {{ab-7}} at the top of page but I cannot see where to enter this on my books page??? I'm sure both have given good advice but since I have never used this site before it makes no sense to me. Is there not just a simple delete button?? Thankx Tanya Naylor (talk) 06:55, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi Tanya Naylor and welcome to the Teahouse. Do you want to delete User:Tanya Naylor/Books/Books and User:Tanya Naylor/Books/Desktop? If you do, then go to the top of each page and click "Edit". Then add {{db-u1}} to the very top of the page. Once you've added the template, scroll down to the bottom and click "Show Preview" to verify that you have done it correctly. If everything seems OK, scroll back down to the bottom of the page and click "Save page". That's all you need to do. An administrator will eventually come along and delete the pages. If you are still not sure how to do this and want more detailed information, go to Template:Db-u1 for reference. Good luck. - Marchjuly (talk) 07:16, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

The note on you user talk page referred to "{{db-u1}} or {{db-g7}}" not to "{{ab-1}} or {{ab-7}}". - David Biddulph (talk) 14:15, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

how to gain help for a project

I want to make a list of online applications. One that excludes mass marketing sites and only does legit connections to the actual applications. I just signed up for an editor account to be able to do this when I realized how huge a project it will be. It would be appreciated if I could get help: but, I don't know how yet. can you help?

P.S. I mean job application sites.Done from phone (talk) 09:39, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Done from phone. I am a somewhat new editor (one year) who often visits the Teahouse. For your proposed project, the existing Wikipedia article List of employment websites contains much of the content you mention. You are welcome to update this article with improvements. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 11:18, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Sorry but that's what I'm trying to avoid. I want the applications for the jobs not mass spamming networks or charge a fees. But seriously I've played a little in the sandbox and have truly realized that either its to big a task or someone will be upset. Is there anyway you can tell me how to get help. 75.140.227.163 (talk) 15:06, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Done from phone, I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to achieve. It looks to me like you want to create a list of job applications, not the agencies? If so then Wikipedia isn't the place to do it, please read WP:NOTEVERYTHING for a full explanation of what Wikipedia is not about. Nthep (talk) 14:53, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Draft Persistence

How long will userspace drafts persist, so long as I don't mark them for deletion? Heterodidact (talk) 02:22, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

@Heterodidact: Welcome! Userspace drafts, (ie: User:BlahBlah/draftname) will last as long as you want them to without being deleted as long as they don't contain any libelous or attacking text or images. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 02:58, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

@Heterodidact: Actually a userspace draft using the {{AFC submission}} which has not been edited for six months could be tagged for speedy deletion under WP:G13. —teb728 t c 03:16, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

But I will add there is no need or requirement to use the AfC process if you are happy drafting and building articles without review. However if using AfC, it is preferred that you build in the Draft: namespace, and expect to wait possibly over a week for review. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 03:21, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

@Heterodidact and EoRdE6: The above is not the whole story. If they use {{AFC submission}} then Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#G13. Abandoned Articles for creation submissions says they can be speedily deleted without discussion when they have not been edited in over six months. This happens routinely, at least in the Draft namespace but userspace drafts are often moved there if they use {{AFC submission}}. A bot (approved at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/HasteurBot) notices how long they have not been edited and marks them for deletion. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:25, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Mate, I know ALL about it and Hasteur and his illegitimate bot... But what I am saying is s/he can draft in his userspace, with no AfC template and keep it there as long as s/he pleases. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 03:28, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

I was replying to the 02:58 post. I had not seen it was already discussed when my post was saved. I didn't get an edit conflict because the post started with a blank line. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:31, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, everyone. I am looking to keep a draft page open in my personal space for experimentation with wikipedia tools, and so I won't be using the AFC process at all on it. Heterodidact (talk) 17:03, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

New editor tool links

Could someone send me the links to both the live chat and the article on properly sourcing ? Asb2324 (talk) 17:58, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Chat is at Wikipedia:Help_desk/chat and to learn about referencing start at WP:REFB RudolfRed (talk) 18:50, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Pictures from Youtube videos

What if a jpeg is on google but its origins are from a youtube video? Will this kind of a picture be violating copyrights? Thank You Yckaustubh (talk) 18:34, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to teahouse!

Yes it will violate! Video recorded by a person belongs either to that person or the company/organisation he is doing work for. So those can claim aGainst this act. Have a look at this. Stills of those mpeg must not be uploaded.
But if it is something like a home video: and the author is ready for granting you the permission: he must write a mail to declare that he/she has no problem with this upload and grant those rights. Here is the format.
Please refer commons help desk if you still have a doubt.
aGastya ✉ let's have a constructive talk about it (: 18:56, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Edit Page

Hi, I've been advised to contact you regarding my attempt to edit JJ Goodman's wikipedia page. I am his personal assistant and this is an urgent matter for us at the moment - the image which comes up in the wikipedia section when "JJ Goodman" is typed into google is not of true likeness to JJ himself and we would like it to be changed, is this a matter with google or yourselves? With regards to the content on JJ's Wikipedia page, I have redrafted the content but my edits weren't saved. I am in no way attempting to be bias or promotional, I would just like to make the information accurate and concise. Please let me know as soon as possible how I can clear this up.

Thanks a lot,

Sacha Bell

81.139.188.128 (talk) 14:42, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi there - when I search JJ Goodman on Google, I see an image not from Wikipedia. As a result, Google is not pulling the image from Wikipedia, and we have no control over how Google displays their information.

As for your edit to JJ Goodman, I assume this is the edit you're referring to. The additions do indeed look promotional, and also resulted in the removal of various important tags, categories, etc. Since you work for JJ Goodman, you have a conflict of interest with the subject, and are highly advised not to make edits to his page (with the exception of removing obvious misinformation and the like). If you have suggestions for the page, you may bring it up on the article's talk page. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 14:54, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

I notice that earlier edits were made by SACHA BELL, who is you, I presume. Be sure to log into your account when editing, and observe our policies and guidelines regarding conflict of interest. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:15, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

SACHA BELL, welcome to The Teahouse. If you have a problem with how Google displays their information, which might include Wikipedia content (but not all of it is since we frequently get complaints about wrong information that is not our fault), there is a feedback link where you see that information.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:01, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Troll? New User? I don't know...

Hey guys! A user named Dfrr has been linking me to many users' talkpages to "comfort" and "give barnstars and wikiLove" to Trimethylxanthine. I've been trying to assume good faith here, but my notifications are getting spammed up...

Diffs: He deleted the post [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] my talk page

Cheers! Brandon (MrWooHoo) • Talk to Brandon! 02:48, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

@MrWooHoo: I have left them a message about it, and will see if they respond. That's quite odd though, it's not like they are a new user or anything... EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 02:56, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

The more I look at this, the more I am confused... Maybe there is some sockpuppetry or meatpuppetry going on here... I will keep an eye on both users contributions and see what happens. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 03:07, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

The user in question seems interested in the old TV show Happy Days and has posted questions on my talk page addressing me as "jimmy boy", a nickname I have never once used. I am 63 years old and not a boy. I give permission for people to call me "Jim", my real life nickname, and several editors including people I care for, call me that. But not the other name. So, it seems to me that we have an editor acting in a presumptuous fashion, bothering and creeping out other editors. There could be some innocent explanations, but I advise Dfrr to cool it and back off. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:51, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello it is dfrr i am sorry if i am creeping you guys out i did not mean to do that and for cullen328 i am sorry for calling you that name that you do not like to be called and i will be calling you by your real life nickname instead "Jim" which i will admit it is a very cool name:-). the user who may need a friend post i left on your talk pages you can take of your talk pages and i realized that that was a waste of time and i am sorry. i am only dfrr and no one else Mr. Trimet is another person who joined in 2007 plus i i did not discover wikipedia until 2012 and did not join until 2013. so i am sorry we do not have to send Mr. Trimet any messages and i will back off from doing this and i will be improving my own userpage helping people with editing and maybe some wikiprojects:-). anyways no hard feelings:-) you are awesome people who should be awarded a barnstar for helping me realize that sending you guys that message was a very waste of time i am sorry and i will make it up to you guys and in any way:-)Dfrr (talk) 20:49, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Editing Discographies

How do I add Track listings to musician discography?JodyMc77 (talk) 22:25, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

JodyMc77 hello and welcome to The Teahouse. As with any other addition to Wikipedia, you would want to find reliable sources. With discographies I don't see those sources as such, but I would assume if you have an actual copy of a CD or album by the musician, you can use that as a source for an album. Singles used to be a physical recording like a vinyl record or CD but with downloading taking place these days for most music, it's hard to say what constitutes a single. You'd want to make sure the single charted in one of the countries where it was released.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:04, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

I have the CDs but the track listings are not on the Wiki pages. I just need Instruction how to do it. Thanks, JodyMc77JodyMc77 (talk) 21:35, 8 April 2015 (UTC)