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How to render "dddot" in math?

I want to denote a third derivative wrt time in the Newton notation with three dots above the variable. This does not work with the LaTeX "dddot" within the "math" tags. Any hints, Please? Purgy (talk) 10:12, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello Purgy! I investigated this and - as far as I can tell - there is no way to render three dots above the variable. Is something like   (<math>f'''</math>) acceptable for denoting a third derivative? GregorB (talk) 16:54, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi GregorB, thank you for your investigations. Sadly, the primes are no alternative in this case, since dot and ddot are standardized in kinematics and dddot is just only rare, but in exactly this connection. No offense please, but how do you estimate my chances for some guru knowing some hidden passage (amsfonts, mathtools, tikz, ...), or do you know any secret dragon lairs where to search was too tedious for you? Thanks, anyhow, Purgy (talk) 18:11, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Purgy, fortunately there is a solution, albeit a partial one. If you go to this page: Help talk:Displaying a formula, you'll see that the very first section there discusses precisely the issue in question. To you, the display in the line starting with "It looks like it works" will probably appear broken (big red error message). As noted there, it works when MathJax is switched on, though.
How to switch MathJax on? Go to "Preferences" (top right of the page), then to "Appearance" tab. Turn the "MathJax (experimental; best for most browsers)" checkbox on, then click "Save". Upon returning to Help talk:Displaying a formula and reloading the page in your browser (Ctrl-R, I suppose), you should see the example given there displayed correctly. I used these steps and I'm seeing b with three dots there.
Why is this a "partial" solution? Well, it does not work in all browsers. Works for me (I use Firefox) and might work for you, but regardless of the browser, this will not work for the vast majority of people who visit the page, as I believe MathJax is turned off by default.
Please do ping me if you run into problems trying the above described procedure. Also, Help talk:Displaying a formula seems to be a good place for asking math markup-related questions. GregorB (talk) 19:50, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi, GregorB, Just when I thought I'm save ... I logged in, set up my preferences to use mathjax and, tataa, rendered three dots. But, when I logged out, I got that dreaded red message about dddot and did not find something in my browser or in the Wikipedia page to configure. I did not expect to belong to the "vast majority" being concerned myself in the same browser.

Another matter is this ping. I tried to understand the connected pages, but could not destill by what action I trigger a ping. Is it each time a page is edited/saved? I hope, not to pester you, when I enclose a ping now: @GregorB:. Any further tips, please? Purgy (talk) 13:00, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Purgy, by "pinging" I meant mentioning someone's username formatted as a wikilink, usually using the {{u}} template. This is what you've done above, and this is also what I've done in the beginning of this paragraph. Doing this and saving the page will cause the mentioned user to receive a notification the next time he or she logs in: the thing next to his or her username in the top of the page will become red and clicking on it will reveal a message like "User Such and Such mentioned you..." etc. I received such notification due to your using of {{u}} template with my username in it, and you will receive mine for the same reason.
Unfortunately, what you've discovered is a critical downside of the MathJax option: while it is off by default for registered users, at least they can turn it on. Non-registered (or rather: users that are not logged in) cannot do that, and MathJax is not available to them at all. Since the vast majority of Wikipedia visitors are not registered users, this means that it is obviously not advisable to use MathJax-dependent features in articles, as they will appear broken to most people. While this might (in fact, very likely will) work at some point in the future, unfortunately for the time being one must use a workaround - probably by choosing different notation for derivatives. GregorB (talk) 13:23, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

GregorB, if you ever want to have the effect of dddot, use overset{...}{x}, Salix Alba pointed to that! Purgy (talk) 18:31, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Non-free Fair Use Media in other language Wikipedias

Is there any policy regarding the use of okay-ed non-free fair use images (with rationale) which are allowed on certain pages in English Wikipedia being used for their corresponding pages in other languages? Asdklf; (talk) 17:52, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi @Asdklf;: Each language-version of Wikipedia has their own fair-use policies regarding images (as with all policies). I would say that most versions of Wikipedia have fair-use policies similar to ours, with a few differences in specifics. Some, however, are very different (e.g. the Spanish Wikipedia doesn't allow for any non-free images). You'll have to research the specific policies of each Wikipedia you wish to contribute non-free images to. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 18:00, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! Asdklf; (talk) 18:48, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Nominating an article as a "good article" or "feature article"

I find the article Iglesia Ni Cristo to be informative. It was tagged as a good article before but delisted. How will I nominate an article? ForwardGWR (talk) 13:29, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello @ForwardGWR: and welcome to the Teahouse! To nominate an article for GA, you would need to put {{subst:GAN|subtopic=}} at the top of the article's Talk page. you would need to put a subtopic in the subtopic= part. A list of subtopics, can be found at over here. But before you do that, you should address the issues in the previous reviews. You can also read WP:GAC for the GA criteria and WP:GA/I for detailed nominating instructions. Thanks,  ΤheQ Editor  Talk? 18:06, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
After nominating an article as a good article,Do someone have to review it?ChamithN (talk) 18:18, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
@ChamithN: Yes, it is reviewed by an uninvolved editor using the criteria listed here.  Philg88 ♦talk 18:53, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Mostafa Salameh page still reads as an add..

Hi, I reviewed the page several times and each time it seems there is still something that reads like an add. Can you please help me more on how to edit it once and for all. Noting I did the final editing today and resubmitted the page just few mnts ago.

Thank you in advance for your kind cooperation.Ruba.atallah (talk) 19:22, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Ruba.atallah and welcome to the Teahouse. I think part of the problem with your draft is that you keep repeating the fact that Mostafa Salameh was the first Jordanian to climb Mount Everest. Whilst an admirable achievement, you don't need to repeat it three times in the biography section. This overemphasises one aspect of what he has done and reads like a a single event claim to notability, which isn't the case. Expand on the other things he has achieved and you will be there. I don't think that there's any question as to his notability, but the references need some work - you don't need to flag the fact that they are in English, people assume that unless you say otherwise. At the same time, make sure that they include significant coverage of Salameh, not just passing mentions. Best of luck!  Philg88 ♦talk 19:46, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much  Philg88 ♦talk for your prompt response. I appreciate your suggestions which I followed and amended the page accordingly. Based on this and from an editing perspective, does the page now go in line with Wikipedia requirements? Or are there still further suggestions?

Thanking you in advance for your kind cooperation.Ruba.atallah (talk) 18:52, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

@Ruba.atallah:. All done. Cleaned up, reviewed and moved to the main article space. Thanks for all your hard work in creating the article. Best,  Philg88 ♦talk 20:29, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much  Philg88 ♦talk for your great support and help.Best Regards Ruba.atallah (talk) 21:00, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

How do you link an article to a category?

How do you link an article to a category?Azorella (talk) 23:40, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Azorella and welcome to the Teahouse. Just add the text [[Category:Your chosen category]] at the very bottom of the article but above any templates containing the word "stub".  Philg88 ♦talk 23:46, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

The donate banner is so annoying!

Every few days i will see a "donate" banner when i read Wikipedia. It is so annoying! can i disable it?S/s/a/z-1/2 (talk) 00:17, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Ssaz 12 and welcome to the Teahouse. If you select "Preferences" from the top menu bar then click on the "Gadgets" tab, you will see a checkbox titled: "Suppress display of the fundraiser banner" Check that option and hey presto, no more banner! Cheers,  Philg88 ♦talk 03:21, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Deleting one of my edits.

I began editing a line on an existing Wikipedia entry page. Accidentally the incomplete edit was saved. How do I delete it? Thanks  ;) Svenius (talk) 04:52, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi @Svenius: Welcome to the Teahouse. You can simply undo your own edit. Go into the article's history (which can be accessed by viewing the article, and then clicking on the "View history" tab at the top of the page), then find your recent edit. There should be a link nearby to undo the edit. Give it a click, then save the page, and you should be good to go. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 04:58, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Undeleted request

Hello, My User page was MfD Nomination in Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Naresh Kumar Raja Please help undeletion request. Naresh Poonapalli (talk) 04:33, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

A reasonable explanation on the page deletions was left on your talk page which falls in line with the policy of what Wikipedia is not.   ArcAngel   (talk) ) 05:31, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Best practice for dealing with poor quality articles?

Hi there. I occasionally come across obscure, poor quality articles that are nevertheless substantial but outside my area of expertise. I'm not a hugely experienced Wikipedian, and I'm never sure whether it's okay to take out large chunks of unverifiable content/pseudoscience/opinion, or whether I should put an alert box at the top, or simply point out the problems on the talk page.

A recent example is this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hovid_Inc Several sections are full of weasel words and unsupported health claims, and parts appear to have been either generated by a translation tool, or written by someone with limited written English skills. What's the appropriate way to deal with an article like this one? Should I pare it right back to the verifiable and objective content (which would make it quite short) or is it better to leave the more dubious content as is?

Thanks! Helenabella (talk) 06:22, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello Helenabella, and welcome to the Teahouse. Openly promotional wording should be removed right away if it can't be easily re-written. Unsourced or weakly sourced health claims or medical claims should likewise be removed without waiting for discussion. For text that is merely badly written, it's best to put a template on the article indicating that it needs to be copyedited, rather than removing text just because it is badly written. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 06:35, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
I have also added the article to WikiProject Medicine, which might attract some review from editors with more knowledge in the topic area, and stronger ideas on what to do with unsourced medical claims. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 06:38, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Adding to the excellent advice already given, Helenabella, I would like to make some additional comments. A company can begin as a very small fringe operation and evolve and grow into a larger, notable venture. The first step to take when trying to improve such an article is to read the sources in the article, identifying those that are reliable and useful. The next step is to search online for other reliable sources that cover the topic. Once you've read those sources, you are prepared to eliminate unreferenced, fringe claims, and to add new material with the goal of transforming a mediocre article into a decent, encyclopedic treatment of the topic. The article should summarize what the best sources say about the topic. If you don't want to do that much work, and that's OK since you are a volunteer, at least tag the article's shortcomings. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:57, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Languages panel: Is it possible to always show a specific language wiki page link

Hi, for a wiki page which has many associated language pages, in its Languages panel, I see that some languages page links were shown, and more links will be onl show up if I click the "xx more languages" button.

My question is: is it possible to force showing a specific language wiki page link? For example, I only understand English and Chinese language, when I view an English wiki page, I would like the link to Chinese wiki page is always show up. Thanks. Ollydbg (talk) 14:01, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Ollydbg (or should I say 你好) and welcome to the Teahouse. Your question certainly got me thinking and as far as I know, all the available languages for a particular article are shown in the side bar if they exist. It is possible to turn some of them off from the Beta section in your settings but I doubt you could do that by accident. There is more information on how language links work here. If you give me a specific example then I can have a further look. Cheers,  Philg88 ♦talk 17:33, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi Philg88, thanks for the reply, I do have all the beta feature enabled, and I see that there is a page Inter language links, How it works, it said that it can remember the user choice. I have just tested that if I open a Chinese wiki page from an English wiki page, next time, I open any English wiki page, the Chinese language link will always show up in the "Compact language links", so this is the way I expected, great. Ollydbg (talk) 14:04, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Good! Let me know if you have any more problems. Best,  Philg88 ♦talk 15:36, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I found a problem. I see that wikipedia does not remember my choice if I restart the Firefox browser. I'm using a English version of Firefox and WindowsXP. That's a bad news as I can see. Can you confirm this? Thanks. Ollydbg (talk) 14:28, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
@Ollydbg: Just a thought: Do you have Firefox set to dump cookies when you restart it? That might be the issue. From the menu, click on Firefox → Preferences → Privacy Tab → Firefox will Use custom settings for history → change "Keep until:" I close Firefox to they expire, or maybe you can just designate wikipedia.org as allowed under the exceptions button on that page (I am far from an expert on this).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:53, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
@Fuhghettaboutit: AFAIK, if the article exists in a target language then by default it should be displayed under languages. Sometimes there is a bit of a lag as Wikidata catches up on new pages cross-wiki but I can't replicate the problem Ollydbg has, even by clearing my cache/cookies.  Philg88 ♦talk 15:50, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
@Fuhghettaboutit:, the Firefox setting here in my system is "Remember history", so I think cookies were recorded on exiting the Firefox. @Philg88: thanks for the test, I don't know why you can't reproduce the issue in your system, maybe, some configuration of Firefox is different from yours. Ollydbg (talk) 01:23, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

The interesting thing is that I just test the Internet Explorer 8(English version), when I access to an English wiki page with my ID log in, the Chinese language link is show up automatically, I even don't have click to any Chinese language link in IE8(it looks like wikipedia automatically detected that I need Chinese language when I use IE8), so it is mainly a Firefox issue. Ollydbg (talk) 01:40, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Some news, I use a web browser detecting page to see what is different between IE and Firefox. When viewing this web page: W3School在线测试工具 V2, I get the result below from Firefox:

Platform=Win32 UA=Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/31.0 BrowserLanguage=undefined SystemLanguage=undefined UserLanguage=undefined

But below is from IE8:

Platform=Win32 UA=Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0; .NET4.0C; .NET CLR 3.5.30729) BrowserLanguage=en-us SystemLanguage=zh-cn UserLanguage=zh-cn

Look, IE has more language information(see the SystemLanguage and UserLanguage item above), so I see wikipedia can use those information to show the Chinese language links. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ollydbg (talk • contribs) 02:14, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

@Ollydbg: I'm beginning to think it may be something to do with Windows XP. Maybe someone knows if there are issues with the Firefox/MediaWiki software on that platform?  Philg88 ♦talk 03:16, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
@Philg88:, I found a workaround, I can set the default language of Firefox from English to Chinese by steps shown here: Change Mozilla Firefox language settings - YouTube, and now, when I access to any English wiki page, the 中文(Chinese) link will always shown up. Ollydbg (talk) 08:54, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Also, I found that why IE8 works OK in this case, because its language is set to Chinese(zh-cn). Ollydbg (talk) 09:05, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Glad you've found a solution, I guess I must have changed my Firefox settings so long ago that I'd forgotten what to do. 祝好,  Philg88 ♦talk 09:09, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

references

I just wrote my first article, and just realised I don't think I coded my references correctly, I just put up the links to references in that space. Can someone give me the basic code, step by step, so my references are done correctly by the time someone gets to reviewing my article - I was a bit confused by the help page for them- all the choices-and just want to do it the easiest way, manually. Any other tips are welcome, as well.

Tractatus11 Tractatus11 (talk) 09:12, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Tractatus11. I wrote this for precisely your scenario - hope it helps... Yunshui 雲水 09:20, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hello, Tractatus11, and welcome to the Teahouse. I made a minor fix to your article at Draft:Emma Bee Bernstein so the main body of text now displays correctly. The first thing you need to do is to distinguish which of the links you have are references (i.e. they provide verification of statements you make in the article) from the ones that provide extended context that should be in "External Links". Then for the actual references, locate them in the proper place in the text, something like this:
Elephants are big.<ref>{{cite web|title=All about Elephants|url=www.elephants.com|accessdate=18 August 2014}}</ref>
Take a look at Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners for more information, or come back here to ask questions. Oh, and you will also want to look at Help:Introduction to uploading images for how to upload that image (you can't link directly to it as an external web file; it needs to be uploaded into Wikimedia). Good luck. --Gronk Oz (talk) 09:33, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

How do I republish?

Hi, Jdbroager (talk) 11:06, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

I have edited my contribution, but I forgot how I republish it. Jdbroager (talk) 11:06, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello Jdbroager, welcome to the Teahouse.
You have three separate and distinct draft articles:
  1. Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/J. Boye
  2. Draft:J. Boye
  3. Draft talk:J. Boye
Decide which one of these three pages you would like to submit for review, and then put {{subst:submit}} at the top of that page only, and save the page. It will then be reviewed when a reviewer has time. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 11:15, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

How to render math-tagged content in TOC?

Wnever I include some letter which is to denote some physical quantity and is therefore tagged with math to render it accordingly, it does not show up in the TOC. Please, what to do? Purgy (talk) 14:23, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Purgy
This is a known problem. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Mathematics#Typesetting of mathematical formulae states "for section headings, use HTML only, as LaTeX markup does not appear in the table of contents."
The ToC cannot cope with almost any non-text content e.g. flag icons, images, etc. If the particular maths cannot be written in HTML, only in LaTeX, the only solution appears to be to alter the section title. - Arjayay (talk) 15:17, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

4 questions to get off on the right foot

I work for a business in the US. I am not trying to hide who I work for. If that is forbidden, just let me know. I am not trying to promote the company but I noticed a number of links to our site were dead and have moved and some information that needed to be updated. So I began my editing experience to fix the links and edit. Which was pretty straight forward, I thought...

  1. I have no problem with saying I work for Orton but reading some of the articles people hide because they are afraid of being harrassed. Should I hide my identity because I am naive?
  2. Where do I put all my information in that people can see?
  3. Since I only have edited one day, what am I suppose to do different to make sure all other interested parties are OK with my edits? Do I cut and paste it somewhere?
  4. Where do I sign edits? just the last four characters of every post?

I appreciate your assistance. I have looked through the articles and found too much Info.

I thought if someone could point me to the answers for these questions I could be a productive member. ThanksWikitherm (talk) 13:25, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Reformatted for clarity ColinFine (talk) 14:14, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Hello, Wikitherm. Thanks for asking. It sounds as if you have heard a slightly garbled version of the rules on conflict of interest. You do need to be cautious in editing an article about a company your work for, but it is not forbidden as long as you follow the recommendations in the page I linked to. If you want to make changes to the article, do limit yourself to uncontroversial factual edits, and do disclose your connection on the article's talk page. If you want to change anything more than that, you really ought to do it by suggesting changes (with references to reliable sources, preferably sources unconnected to the company) on the talk page.
You sign edits on a talk page (not on an article) by typing four tildes (~~~~ on the end of your contributions, and the software will replace it with your signature and the time. (You managed to insert that in the first line of your question, above, but I removed it). When you edit an article, you shouldn't sign your edit, but you should explain it in the "edit summary" before you hit "Save page". --ColinFine (talk) 14:22, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Hello, Wikitherm, and welcome to the Teahouse. In addition to the fine advice above, you asked about where you can put all your information that people can see: a good place for this is your own user page, at User:Wikitherm. That page does not exist yet, but if you click on that link it will prompt you to create it, and this is a good place to tell other editors about yourself. Including declaring interests. If you like, take a look about half-way down my user page under the heading "Disclosure of interests" for an example. That is in addition to what ColinFine recommended for specific pages you edit. --Gronk Oz (talk) 15:21, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Adding a school to WikiProject Universities

How to request a college to be part of to the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Universities Rami.shareef (talk) 15:29, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! You don't need to make any sort of request to do that; you can just do it yourself. The way this is done is to add {{WikiProject Universities}} (with the curly braces) to the talk page of the article in question. The talk page is accessed by clicking on the tab labelled "talk" which should be above the article's title. You can edit the talk page in the same way that you would edit an article page. Hope this helps. --Jakob (talk) 16:43, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
@Rami.shareef: --Jakob (talk) 16:44, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
@Jakec: thanks! Rami.shareef (talk) 18:42, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
@Jakec: How can let the article receive a rating on this project? Rami.shareef (talk) 18:54, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Rami.shareef I think this is what you want.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:42, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Name Change

I have changed my name on user page and talk page, but there are few black dots on my name, where I went wrong? please tell me how to remove dots upon my name Aftab Banoori (Talk) 06:32, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Good morning Aftab welcome to the teahouse! The black dots were things that you added, I have removed all such things so now everything looks fine. Hope this looks good to you. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 06:48, 17 August 2014 (UTC)


Dear, Demiurge1000

Thanks for you intrest, but my name hasnt changed yet it is still Aftabbanoori, I want it to be Aftab Banoori Aftab Banoori (Talk) 06:57, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Aftabbanoori, follow the directions at WP:CHU.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:45, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

One musician, two names

Hi - The producer known as Nick Gunn [from EDM act (We Are) Nexus] is also the musician known as Nicholas Gunn. Nicholas Gunn already has a wiki, but I wanted to know how to add or link to or change the name of his current wiki to Nick Gunn as it is more relevant to his career now? What is the best protocol for doing this? Do I start a new page on Nick Gunn and link them? I look forward to learning and thanks for the advice.

Dlkemmerle (talk) 19:46, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Dlkemmerle. It is never appropriate to create a second Wikipedia biography for one person. The biography is Nicholas Gunn, and that is the name he's been best known by for decades, and is also the name on his personal website and his Facebook page. I see that he is using the nickname "Nick" in his electronic dance music ventures, but that is not a reason to change the article name or to start a new article. Simply add well referenced material to the existing article about his work in a genre new to him. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:17, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
I have created a redirect page so that anyone who types Nick Gunn into the search box will automatically be taken to Nicholas Gunn. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:24, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Okay, that is what I have been doing and will continue to do. Thank you so much for your quick reply and for creating a redirect page

Dlkemmerle (talk) 22:11, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Associated Acts

What qualifies as an associated act on a musician's page? I have tried to add an associated act to rapper Big Sean's page, but she has been removed twice. What are the requirements to be considered an associated act? Frank Wiki Editor 77 (talk) 03:12, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Frank Wiki Editor 77. That infobox is created by a template, and its documentation can be found at Template:Infobox musical artist. The "associated acts" field is defined as follows:
"This field is for professional relationships with other musicians or bands that are significant and notable to this artist's career.
This field can include, for example, any of the following:
For individuals: groups of which he or she has been a member
Other acts with which this act has collaborated on multiple occasions, or on an album, or toured with as a single collaboration act playing together
Groups which have spun off from this group
A group from which this group has spun off
Separate multiple entries by using commas or {{flatlist}}.
The following uses of this field should be avoided:
Association of groups with members' solo careers
Groups with only one member in common
Association of producers, managers, etc. (who are themselves acts) with other acts (unless the act essentially belongs to the producer, as in the case of a studio orchestra formed by and working exclusively with a producer)
One-time collaboration for a single, or on a single song
Groups that are merely similar"
In borderline or disputed cases, the matter should be discussed on the article's talk page, with consensus achieved there. I hope this helps answer your question. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:11, 18 August 2014 (UTC)


Thanks. I believe that the artist I was thinking of counts so I'll try again.
Frank Wiki Editor 77 (talk) 01:52, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

BCRSP info for review in my sandbox

Hello,

Am I doing this correctly? I've created the Board of Canadian Registered Safety Professionals in my Sandbox for some feedback. I went to my talk page, put a heading and left a note for review along with the signature mark. Is that the correct procedure? Please advise... thanks in advanceAdBCWi14 (talk) 23:24, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi @AdBCWi14: Not quite! Since no editors are actively watching your sandbox, there's not a good chance that anyone will see the message on the talk page.
Instead, you can head over to your sandbox and hit the green button that says "Submit your draft for review!" at the top of the page. After saving the page, your article will be placed in the appropriate categories so article reviewers will be able to find your article and review it. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 00:50, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
okay thank you - I've submitted it via the green button.AdBCWi14 (talk) 12:35, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi AdBCWi14, I've moved your sandbox article to Draft:Board of Canadian Registered Safety Professionals as that is the preferred location for AfC submissions. Good luck with the review!  Philg88 ♦talk 17:00, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
okay thanks for moving it. How did you do that, or are their instructions to move pages if I ever have to do this again?AdBCWi14 (talk) 19:30, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Welcome back to The Teahouse, AdBCWi14. You follow the instructions at WP:MOVE.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:37, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
@AdBCWi14: I'd just add to Vchimpanzee's excellent answer, don't forget to select the "Draft" space from the dropdown box next to the target article title. Best,  Philg88 ♦talk 07:20, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Responding to edit reverts.

I'm new to Wikipedia, and I've taken on the domestic violence article as my first challenge (yes, I'm a masochist). The issue I'm having is that one user in particular reverts my edits even though I feel I've adequately explained the reasons for my edits (usually WP:MEDRS). My question is, should I continue to go to the talk page to respond to the complaints of a single editor, or should I address the issues directly on her talk page? Casusbelli1 (talk) 06:31, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Casusbelli1 and welcome to the Teahouse. If the discussion relates to issues directly concerning improvement of the topic, it's best to keep it on the Talk page of the article. However, per this guideline, the Talk page is not for general discussion of the subject, so anything that falls into that category should be directed to the relevant editor's Talk page. Good luck!  Philg88 ♦talk 07:25, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

My article

Hello fellow Wikipedians. A couple months ago, I asked a question about my new article that I created which is located Here. Can the fellow Teahouse hosts here tell me if this article is notable? Also as a side note, SuperHamster answered my question about NewsFix's logo. If SuperHamster, or any other Wikipedian could help me find that question in the archives, it would be greatly appreciated ;) Brandon (MrWooHoo) • Talk to Brandon! 02:26, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello again Brandon. Notability is not something that applies to articles, so much as something that applies to topics. Your draft article does not quite seem to establish the notability of this topic. After all, the independent references provided appear to be from a limited number of local media outlets. Perhaps adding a couple more references to independent reliable sources that discuss the newscast in detail will help. Anyway, the draft article is currently waiting to be reviewed so a reviewer will comment when they deal with it.
It would probably not be appropriate to add the newscast's logo until the draft article is accepted. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 06:16, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
Hey Arthur goes shopping, and thanks for the reply. (Also, nice name.) I do have SuperHamster's reply that I found that I'm going to put in a list. Brandon (MrWooHoo) • Talk to Brandon! 13:09, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
Hey @MrWooHoo: I made a few small copyedits to the article, but I haven't looked at its validity in terms of notability or anything like that. To answer your question about the logo, I recommend using the cleanest version of the logo from the official website, which is located here. Now typically, logos for company articles are copyrighted, and Wikipedia claims fair use to use them (and note that fair use images can only be used in live articles, not drafts). However, in the United States at least, there is the concept of threshold of originality, in which logos consisting of simple typeface and shapes aren't copyrightable and qualify as being in the public domain. These "simple" logos can be uploaded to the Wikimedia Commons, and the licensing can be marked with both and (since the logo is assumingly trademarked). As I see it, NewsFix's logo appears to be a plain font with a bit of simple styling, so I'd imagine it would qualify as a public domain logo (if anyone wants to back me up on that or disagrees with my analysis, feel free to). Hope this helps a bit, ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 03:12, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Area of Wikipedia to put forward a sensitive topic for discussion

I want to correct a sentence under the entry for 'Nazism' which states 'German women who were found guilty of race defilement were forced to have their heads shaven off in public,[128]' I would imagine that it should be 'hair' rather than 'heads' or just 'heads shaven'. Since Nazism is a sensitive topic, I just wanted to go to an area of Wikipedia where I could put this forward for discussion and or ratification (even though the correction I suggest is almost certainly valid and it may seem trivial). I have wanted to go to such a discussion area many times for other editing I have done over the years, but being short of time, I have often just made the correction without discussion (although only on issues - mainly line editing - that I am fairly sure about).

Any help or suggestion would be appreciated! I am a medical student and thus short on time :-(

BogwhistleBogwhistle (talk) 01:35, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Bogwhistle. Your caution is admirable, but sometimes boldness is required. To me, either "heads shaven" or "hair shaven off" would be appropriate wording. "Heads shaven off" is non-standard wording that implies capital punishment, probably inadvertently. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:54, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
Hello, Bogwhistle. I agree with Cullen, but I'll add that every article on Wikipedia has a place for discussion, called its talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 13:47, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Creating an article on a comic book character

Hello, I wanted to inquire if creating an article about a comic book character I created is suitable. The article would in no way be directed towards self promotion but rather about the character and the comics that have been independently published. There is also five sourced links aswell to use for refference material. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Romeyansen (talk • contribs) 00:38, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello Romeyansen, and welcome to the Teahouse. Sure, but make sure they go with Wikipedia's golden rule: Notability. You may want to read Wikipedia:Notability (fictional characters) to see if it is notable. If it is, you can start a draft at AFC by using the Article Wizard. Cheers!  ΤheQ Editor  Talk? 01:39, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
Welcome to the Teahouse, Romeyansen. Since you created the character, you definitely have a conflict of interest on this topic. Any article about the character would need to be based on significant coverage of the coverage in independent, reliable sources. Because of your COI, I recommend that you use the Articles for Creation process. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:04, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
To explain the links above, a conflict of interest means you are or are affiliated with the subject of the article, significant coverage means that there should be at least a few sentences that describe the subject, reliable sources include books and newspapers, but not facebook, twitter, youtube (usually), most blogs, etc., and independent sources are sources that are not created by someone closely affiliated with the subject. --Jakob (talk) 14:48, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

My user name is appearing at the top of a Wiki article!

I tried to clear my name but could not did it.

Recently I made my first entry in W. and once the article was published it appeared at the TOP of the page:

User: [my user name]

and below article's title, etc.

Also in Google search my username is linked to the Wiki's article.

Thanks. CU 08:26, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your userpage User:Camilo Umaña is not really suitable to become a Wikipedia article, because Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a place to collect indiscriminate lists of information like family trees etc. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 08:55, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks.

Firstly, some days ago I made a suitable article related to some episodes in history that are not documented. It was a test article. Later, after four days, this article appeared in the web... I thought that it was in proof just to learn about the mechanics and that could be opened by another persons related to this themes.. Very fast I replaced the content with this piece of information. For the moment I will put some relevant text that will be good enough with Wiki standards.

But have a couple of questions: 1. How to supress my name of that page? In this moment is in the Web... 2. How to make some wiki pages just for proof before publishing CU 10:26, 18 August 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Camilo Umaña (talk • contribs)

Hello again Camilo Umaña. It is normal for pages in your user space to have your user name as a prefix to the page title. Your user space is ideal for trying out pages just for proof. However, I notice that much of what you are writing is in Portugese not English. The Portugese Wikipedia is at http://pt.wikipedia.org/ and articles written in Portugese would be better located there. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 10:38, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Arthur, thanks for your time and replies.

Yes, this article is not english. Is spanish. Please, let me know search info to translate this page to that platform.

I do not understand that is usual have names as prefix... I do not remember have seen this...

(My name is nothing here and it is irrelevant. Most pages in W. begin without prefix. Just the plain title. That could be better here. Please, give me instructions... It seems arrogant to be heading a Wiki page...)

(Second, have you a link on how to manage and test other entries but not to be published at the 4 day?) CU 10:52, 18 August 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Camilo Umaña (talk • contribs)

If you are creating articles in Spanish then you should create them on the Spanish Wikipedia http://es.wikipedia.org/ Arthur goes shopping (talk) 11:01, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Hello, Camilo Umaña. The advice other people have given you is all good, but they haven't explained the answer to your question. A page wose name starts with "User:" is not an article: it is called your user page, and is a place where you can share some information about yourself as a Wikipedia editor. You can change the title of a page by "moving" the page, and a draft article should be moved to article space or to draft space; except that as it is not in English it does not belong anywhere on the English Wikipedia. In this case you should copy the text onto your computer if you wish to keep it, and edit your user page to remove this material that does not belong here. You may then choose to go to the Spanish Wikipedia and create an article there.
Some further advice: Register as Camilo Umaña, start your article here. I am assuming Spanish Wikipedia allows you to start a draft in user space. When it is ready, move it to mainspace. Also, do not sign your name in the article. It will appear in the history. — Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:13, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
VCH. Thanks for this very good explanation, I will proceed.

CU 15:11, 19 August 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Camilo Umaña (talk • contribs)

I recently changed my page's logo, but now there is a box around the logo with the two small boxes at the bottom of the image that when clicked on connect to "view license". How can I get rid of this box, as it is not visually appealing. Rugerfirearms (talk) 14:51, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello Rugerfirearms and welcome to the Teahouse. The frame and small boxes appeared because you still had the brackets and "|thumb|center|]]" when placing the picture file in the infobox. They are not needed there. I've removed them for you now. I'm just a bit concerned since you call it "my page's logo". This combined with your user name suggests that you are involved with the company. This is what is called a Conflict of interest. Some other editor (more experienced in dealing with these matters that I) here at the Teahouse may come along to ask you about that. Best, w.carter-Talk 15:56, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

When is it no longer an orphan?

How many other articles linking to an orphaned article does it take to de-orphan it? Just to see what it might bring I installed a SuggestBot and got the first result today. One suggestion was to fix the "orphan" for Torsburgen. Some time ago I fixed up Kräklingbo, where Torsburgen is mentioned and linked to. So, is just one article not enough? And as for the suggestions, I'm just curious: What info does the Bot use to make its suggestions? I've seen these Bot messages on other user pages and they usually makes sense, and I can understand why I got about half of the articles, the rest are just weird. Pages or topics I've never even visited. Is it random because it's the first message? Thanks, w.carter-Talk 15:47, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Good question. Does Wikipedia:Orphan#Criteria help?--ukexpat (talk) 17:13, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure how SuggestBot deems something to be an orphan, but strictly speaking one incoming link stops an article from being an orphan. More than that are always good though. Sam Walton (talk) 17:13, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! I guess there is just no Bot removing the orphan tag when an article is linked to the orphan, someone has to remove it manually. Best, w.carter-Talk 17:21, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
@W.carter: Nope, no bot. It'll keep you busy for years :) Cheers,  Philg88 ♦talk 17:30, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
...yay!.... w.carter-Talk 17:41, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Blogs as external links?

Hello,

I have seen on some Wikipedia pages where companies have blogs listed as an external link. I am in the process of creating a Wikipedia page and I am wondering if blogs are allowed as an external link? The CEO of this company produces bi-weekly blogs and I was wondering if I could include this blog section as an external link?

Thank you! 205.233.140.249 (talk) 16:10, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

See WP:ELNO for guidance to this.   ArcAngel   (talk) ) 17:07, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
Welcome to the Teahouse. Normal practice is to have a single external link in an article about a company, which most commonly will be to the company's website. You should be ready to explain why linking to the CEO's blog better meets neutrality and the needs of readers. Please also refer to WP:ELOFFICIAL. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:53, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

PERMISSION

Do I have not permission to delete messages in my talk page? Sherpaofsherpas (talk) 23:50, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

@Sherpaofsherpas: Welcome to the Teahouse. The answer is yes, but a permanent record will remain in the page history. Also, archiving them to a subpage like this is much preferred. --Jakob (talk) 00:06, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
Since the original question was negative, the answer "yes" might be misleading if Sherpaofsherpas is not a native English speaker. Jakob means Yes, you are permitted to delete messages on your talk page; but archiving instead is preferred. --ColinFine (talk) 21:15, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

I just added a reference - not sure I got the style correct.

Today I added a reference to a list in New Trier High School Alumni -- under Peter Van de Graaff - the reference was a page on the website of WFMT in Chicago. I am not certain that I used the correct style. Dwhitewdc (talk) 20:38, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello Dwhitewdc], and welcome to the Teahouse. You started out right, but you forgot to put the URL in brackets. For future reference for referencing (no pun intended), you can use this page. Cheers! Brandon (MrWooHoo) • Talk to Brandon! 23:36, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

How do I pick up an article that needs editing?

When I signed up I was invited to edit an article ("Don't worry, we'll make it easy" or something similar). While I appreciated the offer, I was at work at the time and thus couldn't take it up. Thinking there was somewhere to look later, I just declined it.

Now I can't find any way to get a list of eligible articles. I could really use the practice while I get my feet wet, and would like to help clarify for others in the bargain.

Thanks in advance. Mike in IL (talk) 01:35, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

@Mike in IL: Hiya Mike. The Wikipedia:Community portal (which is a permanent link under the "interaction" menu on the left hand side of the interface) provides a big list of articles in need of work under certain categories, and you can have that list of open tasks always available by transcluding it into your user talk page or user page by adding the code {{Wikipedia:Community portal/Opentask}} to the one or the other. You can also sign up for delivery of suggested articles to edit at User:SuggestBot/Getting Recommendations Regularly. But if you want to access the specific message you saw, navigate to any article, then paste at the end of the URL in your browser's address bar this code: ?gettingStartedReturn=true and hit return. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:35, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

article references

Is there a minimum number of references that are needed for an article? I am thinking of writing an article on a topic that was described in a book that itself has references. I could just reference the book or reference some of the references used in the book. Is a one reference article acceptable? 98.169.151.118 (talk) 01:58, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

There is no minimum number of references, but you will need to provide enough to allow other editors to ascertain the topic's notability. If you can use a few more references, it's probably a good idea. Best of luck with the article! Keihatsu talk 02:08, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi 98.169.151.118 and welcome to the Teahouse. Adding to what Keihatsu says, all information in Wikipedia must be verifiable meaning that it comes from a reliable source and that you didn't just make it up in the bath or shower one day. A single source might do that, but it won't satisfy the significant coverage requirements of the notability guideline, which say that multiple sources are generally expected. Strictly interpreted, that means a minimum of two references, but to put it beyond doubt (and more importantly out of danger of deletion) then three is probably sufficient but these must cover the topic in-depth. In general, the more references an article has the better, but be aware of citation overkill.  Philg88 ♦talk 05:04, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Personally, I consider the bare minimum number of references needed in a start grade article to be two, but if you cite only two, they had better be rock solid and detailed regarding the topic. The General Notability Guideline refers to "sources" in the plural, and says that "multiple" sources are preferred. When reviewing a new article, I like to see a relatively smaller number of really solid sources, and do not like the tendency of some new editors to "pad out" a new article with a large number of weak references that are only peripherally related to the topic. My personal opinion is that approximately half a dozen sources is a good target number for most new articles.
On another matter, regarding "referencing the references", you are expected to actually read the relevant parts of any source you cite. You can't just copy the source from a book, you need to read it yourself. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:25, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Locked articles that need improving

Hello!

I find articles sometimes that are locked to prevent vandalism, but they still could use improving. How do I contact the admins to get the pages unlocked?

M.D. Finley 16:33, 20 August 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MDFinley (talk • contribs)

Hello MDFinley and welcome to the Teahouse
Assuming you are talking about Semi-protected pages, until your account is Autoconfirmed you should follow the semi-protected edit procedure, as explained at WP:SEMI.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this on the Talk page of the relevant article, in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, and add {{Edit semi-protected}} at the top of your request, which will add it to the Semi-protected edit table which should attract the attention of editors patrolling that list, although I note it currently has a bit of a backlog.
If you want to change a fully protected page, being autoconfirmed won't help, but you should follow the same procedure, except you should add {{Edit protected}} instead of {{Edit semi-protected}} - Arjayay (talk) 16:50, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

why my article is deleted or changed in spite of having references?

whenever I try to create the page on wikipedia about professor Werner Schmidt (Gynaecology and Obstetrics), he is well known person here in Germany in Gynaecology and Obstetrics, the wikipedia considers it for deletion. I added some references such as the university website and also some journals here which wrote about him but always I get nomination for deletion.

I changed it many times and now I want to create the page what should I do. please help I am new with creating wekipedia pages, and my article is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Schmidt_(Gynaecology_and_Obstetrics) Ab.bekhit (talk) 16:15, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Ab.bekhit Welcome to the Teahouse.
As your article has already been nominated for deletion using the WP:AFD process, you need to contribute to the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Werner Schmidt (Gynaecology and Obstetrics) where, although several people agree to the deletion, one well respected editor is arguing in favour of retaining the article.
You need to comment, explaining how Werner Schmidt meets the criteria set out at WP:NACADEMICS - in particular you need to find more significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. - Arjayay (talk) 17:22, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

How to change lower case to upper case in Article Title

At this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havidan_rodriguez Can you please change the name of the article from "Havidan rodriguez" to Havidan Rodriguez. Basically change the small "r" to capital "R" in the last name. Thanks. TrueBRONC (talk) 17:47, 20 August 2014 (UTC)TrueBRONCTrueBRONC (talk) 17:47, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

  DoneS Philbrick(Talk) 17:51, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Don't panic if you go to your link and see that it is deleted. In some cases, a redirect is appropriate, in this case it is not The article is now here: Havidan Rodriguez--S Philbrick(Talk) 17:54, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for your very prompt action! Have a wonderful day!!

TrueBRONC (talk) 18:12, 20 August 2014 (UTC)TrueBRONCTrueBRONC (talk) 18:12, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

How to remove Orphan Tag

At this link there is an orphan tag on top: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havidan_Rodriguez I have linked this article to one at this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas%E2%80%93Pan_American How can the orphan tag be removed? Please help! TrueBRONC (talk) 20:08, 20 August 2014 (UTC)TrueBRONCTrueBRONC (talk) 20:08, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello TrueBRONC and welcome to the Teahouse. And you are correct. After you had linked it from University of Texas–Pan American, it is no longer an orphan. All you have to do now is remove the tag. Do this by pressing the edit button and removing the {{orphan}} tag. I have done that for you here. Cheers,  ΤheQ Editor  Talk? 20:18, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

How to add a nonprofit to Wikipedia

Hi there! My name is Amanda and I work for a nonprofit called the Semper Fi Fund which provides immediate financial assistance and lifetime support to post 9/11 wounded, critically ill and injured members, and their families of all branches of the U.S. Armed Forces . I was wondering if you could please let me know the steps to successfully post information about our cause. Thank you in advance for your help. 2602:306:32C7:820:5483:ED6A:CAAA:422C (talk) 20:05, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello Amanda and welcome to the Teahouse. Sorry, but this is a case of a conflict of interest. There are millions of organizations in the world but we can't have an article for each and single one. There is a guideline on Wikipedia about notability. If you would like to create an article on it, you should start at the article wizard. But before you do that, make sure that it is notable. WP:COI and WP:NOBLECAUSE is useful as well. Cheers,  ΤheQ Editor  Talk? 20:25, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
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