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I've listed this article for peer review because it has been a failed Featured List candidate twice before, and I want to ensure it is up to standard now before attempting it a third time. I've tried cleaning up the citations (bare URLs, remove Youtube links, etc) and adding pics, which is part of FL criteria. Any other feedback would be appreciated.

Thanks, Chimino (talk) 21:23, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Resolute

I'll be honest, I am not sure this list is even featurable, simply due to its nature. The biggest concern for me is how one defines the scope. Right now, the list mostly focuses on in-stadium violence that features fans vs. athletes. I don't wonder if there isn't a better article title that more accurately reflects this. You would almost have to maintain such a limitation on scope, otherwise probably 100 riots would have to be added. I also wonder if it is feasible to state that the list is complete? However, for suggestions on improvements:

Addition of pictures is good, but without captions, there is no context. I would add short, simple captions. i.e. "Monica Seles was stabbed by a fan in 1993". Also, alt text will be required for accessibility reasons. It looks like you attempted to just list each athlete's name, but that part is not showing because you need the "thumb" modifier in the syntax. [[File:athlete.png|thumb|right|caption|alt=alt text]]

A lot of missing citations. Any contestable fact will need a cite. That includes the incident, penalties (if any), ramifications, if any. Make sure all citations are in a consistent format.

Several entries fail to properly indicate what league, or even what sport they are referring to. I know that the VFL means Victorian Football League, but you can't assume every reader will. The first mention of each league should be expanded, linked and followed by its abbreviation: American Hockey League (AHL) - after that, you can simplify down to just the abbreviation, unless you convert to a sortable table format as shown below.

Lack of details in many cases. There isn't space for super detailed explanations, but it would help to briefly mention the consequences when there are some. i.e.: "During a changeover in a tennis match in Hamburg, Germany, tennis star Monica Seles was stabbed in the back by Steffi Graf fan Günter Parche. Seles suffered x injury and missed y time; Parche was sentenced to z years in jail."

Sport scores should use endashes instead of dashes. 10–7 instead of 10-7.

Completeness is an issue. That the first 20 of 22 entries between 1879 and 1920 all refer to the VFL. It seems unlikely that such violence was confined to Australia. I suspect there is considerable room for expansion, perhaps even enough that splits may eventually be considered. List of violent spectator incidents in Australian football, List of violent spectator incidents in baseball, etc.

Standardization. I would suggest either a consistent format for each entry or a table be created:
- Year: In [League/sport], [team] [player] was attacked by [name], resulting in [consequence]. or:

Year	Sport	League	Location	Incident
1900	Australian Rules football	AFL	Melbourne	John Doe was attacked by a fan who invaded the pitch. Doe suffered a minor injury while the fan was ejected.
1901	Baseball	AL	Washington, DC	Washington Senators pitcher Jack Doe entered the stands to fight a fan who was heckling him. Doe was suspended six games for the incident.

I think there is still a lot of work to be done, but it would certainly be an interesting article to get featured. Good luck! Reso lute 23:25, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for all the feedback.

For limitations, it appears to be meant for fan/player interaction only, not fan riots or player vs player violence. Agree more citation is needed (if I can't find such citations, should the event be deleted?). Good points on expansion (i.e. ramifications) and completeness. Regarding the pictures, I left off captions as they often would have meant the pics would not have fit within the section (year); is it acceptable to have the pictures bleed between sections? Agree alt-text is needed; I'll work on that.

Again, thanks for the feedback; I see this list indeed does need alot of work still.--Chimino (talk) 01:12, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If you can't find any evidence of an incident happening, it should be removed, yes. Some of the sport projects may be able to help you find cites though. I know for North American entries, Google News Archive has a good selection of newspapers from the late 1800s to about 1987. You may be able to find stories on several incidents. I don't think image bleeding into other sections is that big of an issue, though if you retain the current format for the article, you would probably have to remove some images on recent years to avoid having them stray too far from their proper year. You can also reduce the number of sections by changing it to go by decade rather than year. Reso lute 03:07, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]