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Malaysia–Vietnam relations edit

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Result: Consensus stands for delisting. — Вик Ретлхед (talk) 08:59, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This article was promoted on 20 April, two days ago, by Hurricanehink. I found it while looking for articles to brink to DYK (as newly promoted GAs), and noticed immediately that there were significant issues with the prose. I did a bit of copy editing to a few sections (1, 2, 3), but I'm not an experienced copy-editor, the entire article needs copy-editing, and I don't think that I can do a proper job of it.

As it is currently written, this article fails criteria 1a, and should not be listed as a Good Article. While I have not done an assessment of the other criteria, I will withdraw this reassessment if the article undergoes a comprehensive copy-edit, and the concerns about criteria 1a are addressed. Sven Manguard Wha? 03:44, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wait, what is so poorly written about it? I've read through it, and it reads well. I addressed the grammar concerns in my GA review. Can you give any examples? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:54, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Here are five problem sentences from the first two paragraphs of the "Diplomatic ties" level two subsection. There are other issues in those paragraphs, but these were the most obvious.
  • "An agreement was reached between the two countries' ambassadors were reached in 1975"
  • "Prime Minister Hussein Onn had once nostalgised Vietnam's Communist regime as one that has a common goal of eliminating colonialism in the region during bilateral summit in August 1977, and also promised to provide economic and technical assistance to rebuild the then-war torn economy."
  • "However, relations quickly soured when Vietnam invaded Cambodia, coupled with the influx of refugees into Malaysia in the late 1970s and 1980s which posed economic and national security issues as a result."
  • "Vietnam also expressed its interest to join ASEAN with Malaysia's support in 1994 as both countries continued to foster close economic ties with each other. Vietnam later joined ASEAN in 1995, whose entry was warmly welcomed by Malaysia."
  • "Emphasis would be given to maritime security whereby Vietnamese fishermen have encroached Malaysian waters for fishing activities and piracy control."
It is very obvious that the article's primary author(s) do not speak English as a first language, as there are grammatical errors and confusing sentences throughout the page. Sven Manguard Wha? 23:30, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think only the first one is a pretty major grammar concern (which I fixed, it's an honest mistake). The others are admittedly long sentences, but I don't think so bad that it jeopardizes the GA review. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 00:59, 25 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Spot checked three sections and I agree it should be demoted. The prose is weak in all three sections. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 12:44, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I really have to question what spotchecks I missed. Most of the things mentioned above were fairly minor. Is a good article expected to be perfect now? I've been on Wikipedia for nine years and have never had a good article review of mine questioned, so I'm sorry if I'm a little out of line. I'm just really curious what was so wrong with my review. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:22, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Don't mind me, maybe my standards are high. Here was the sentence that stuck me the most when spot checking "The Fall of Saigon in 1975 at the end of the Vietnam War saw the first Vietnamese refugees escaping in boats beginning in 1975.". Overall, the prose just felt weak. I doubt the user could improve it to the level I'd feel would satisfy GA as I could see from his response. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 04:27, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
So there might be some minor redundancies. I've seen worse GA's. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:32, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Give me a time for a few weeks, I will tried to fix it if I had a time. — ᴀʟʀᴇᴀᴅʏ ʙᴏʀᴇᴅ ʜᴜʜ? 17:05, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As per reasoning above, I agreed that the article should be demoted. I've also had a quick scan and found a few extra grammar errors, as well as some referencing issues:

  • The earliest record between present day Malaysia and Vietnam date back to 1469.
  • The Embassy of Malaysia in Hanoi is currently located at 43-45 Dien Bien Phu Street, which it has been located since 2004.
  • Sizeable chunk of the 'Social developments' section has gone unreferenced.

Sotakeit (talk) 13:07, 5 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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