Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Cendrillon

Cendrillon edit

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Original – Émile Bertrand's poster for the 1899 première of Jules Massenet's Cendrillon, based on the fairy tale known as Cinderella in English.

Reason: A lovely Art Nouveau poster for a notable opera's première. It's also full of cute little details - the tableau of non-fitting slippers at the bottom, the stork in glasses.
Articles in which this image appears: Cendrillon, Cinderella, Fairy godmother
FP category for this image: Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Culture, entertainment, and lifestyle/Theatre
Creator: Émile Bertrand, restoration by Adam Cuerden

Support as nominator --Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 09:17, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support. ~~I think.~~ Visually attractive, seems to have good EV and fairly decent quality. It does seem a bit soft at full res, I think this may have been discussed at another recent nom, not sure if that's simply reflective of the original print quality or a scan issue. Also seems a bit faded (e.g., blacks aren't that deep), again that may just reflect the dyes used or the age of the print. Another query I had was that the edges of the print aren't exactly straight, so again I was wondering if that was to do with the scan or the original print. And a final thing I don't understand is why Cendrillon has a photo of Jules Massenet as its lead image rather than this? I would prefer if we swapped them over. --jjron (talk) 03:23, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Right. In order: 1. I've applied some sharpening. There's reflective inks, but my impression was not that it was particularly blurry; I suspect people just aren't used to looking at printed works zoomed in that much. 2. There was a colour box; I adjusted the colours against that, and this likely reflects the original colours. 3. The lines not being straight is probably the print; it's fairly common. I suppose it could be the scan, but there's absolutely no evidence for that, so I didn't want to change it. 4. WP:OPERA tends to use infoboxes with standardised images in them to link all operas by a specific composer. I can't very well override a Wikiproject's consensus. =) Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 07:33, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - Happy enough with those responses, I realise some of this is best assumptions based on your experience, but just wanted to confirm you had not just overlooked them. You're probably right about the softness, especially considering printing of that age, the more I thought about it later the less I thought it unexpected, probably just that I really don't look at this type of thing that much. And the final complaint I guess I should take up with WP:OPERA - strikes me as a bit like those Wikiprojects that require/enforce the use of those locator maps at the head of articles about places. ;) --jjron (talk) 13:55, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I can't see the original Library of Congress scan because it simply won't load, but it looks like there's some sort of damage to the right of the T in the ribbon thing to the right of the T in J. Massenet, right above where the two ribbons cross. There's also some on the opposite side of the poster, in the curve of the rightmost of the three ribbons on the left side, just to the left of the DE in Musique De. The one on the left could possibly be an error in the printing itself, but the one on the right looks like the color was just scraped off. Sven Manguard Wha? 21:33, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Will fix that tomorrow, or Monday if I'm too busy with the concert. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 22:03, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - I reckon there is a splodge or two on the face too. JJ Harrison (talk) 12:49, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - Thank you for pointing those out. Both have been fixed. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 13:15, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support Looks good to me now. Quite an interesting piece of artwork; the woman looks like she'd be at home in a modern JRPG. Sven Manguard Wha? 15:53, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Colors are very good on this. I agree that it's a little soft. The LOC page indicates that this is a scan of a film photograph of the poster, not a scan of the poster itself (which might be too big to scan). It's possible that the original photograph was a tiny bit out of focus, and it's also possible that the negative was sitting too far from the scanner bed when it was scanned. Either way, it's not enough to be a big deal. Chick Bowen 04:13, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Fairly normal for LoC scans, honestly. But I still do think people's eyes tend to exaggerate any blurriness, since people aren't used to looking at ink on paper that closely. For comparison... well, I actually have a finished restoration I wasn't going to nominate for FPC, but I may as well get around to uploading it. Moment. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 11:25, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Dalziel Brothers - Sir Walter Scott - The Antiquary - Sir Arthur and Dousterswivel Searching for the Treasure.jpg. I can guarantee you that this is not blurred, but it most likely looks it a bit, simply because it's zoomed in so much. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 13:02, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support I'll take the word of the editors above concerning the image quality, which I find beautiful for a piece of ephemera, but I'm not an expert at all in these things. Its educational value is quite high, not only for the article on the opera, but also as a stunning example of art nouveau design. The poster is used as an illustration in at least two books, Massenet: A chronicle of his life and times and Eyewitness Companions: Opera. The poster's publisher/engraver was Devambez, a very notable French firm, started in 1826 and still in operation today (although the Wikipedia article on it is currently rather dreadful). The poster is also interesting for making the Fairy Godmother rather than Cinderella (Cendrillon) the center of attention. The role of the Fairy Godmother in Massenet's opera was created by Georgette Bréjean-Gravière, a favourite singer of his. I can see that poster being useful in an eventual article about her as well. I'd also recommend adding it to Fairy godmother, which currently has only one rather dreary black and white illustration (albeit by Doré). Voceditenore (talk) 12:01, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support JJ Harrison (talk) 15:05, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Nice picture that definitely deserves the bronze star.— Tomíca^(T2ME) 00:18, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Émile Bertrand - Jules Massenet - Cendrillon poster.jpg --Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 09:18, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]