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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 19:12, 10 October 2009 [1].

Mega Man 2 edit

Nominator(s): Lumaga (talk) 00:48, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I feel the article meets the featured article criteria. It is a well cited and comprehensive account of one of Capcom's best selling games. The primary editors have made great strides bringing this article up to A-class, and I feel that it deserves FA status. Lumaga (talk) 00:48, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 19:20, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
In response to the reliability of the three sources:
  • I concede that Siliconera is not the best video game source as far as meeting WP:RS, but the page used in the article is an interview with a developer of one the Mega Man games. I believe the developer certainly meets WP:SPS. The interview was also duplicated on video game website Gamasutra, a video game developer-oriented website that serves as the online sister publication to the print magazine Game Developer.
  • That was my first reaction, but I assumed original sources are preferred to reproduced content. Is that not the case? (Guyinblack25 talk 20:38, 28 September 2009 (UTC))[reply]
  • In this case, I'd rather see a slightly more reputable source putting out the interview, even if at second hand. Even if we used the original, we'd be indirectly relying on the fact that Gamasutra reprinted it to make a borderline reliable source reliable enough. The only concern would be if Gamasutra didn't have permission to reproduce the information... Ealdgyth - Talk 20:43, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'll leave this out for other reviewers to decide for themselves. Ealdgyth - Talk 20:20, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've updated the dead link with an archived one. (Guyinblack25 talk 20:06, 28 September 2009 (UTC))[reply]
  • Comment. Shouldn't the "Remakes and novelization" section be renamed to "Rereleases and novelization" as most of the other versions are ports and not remakes? --Mika1h (talk) 23:44, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done Lumaga (talk) 03:06, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Coment: I really think there should be a picture and description of the end of the game when Wiley turns into an alien after being partially defeated. This is an important part of the game. —mako๛ 04:53, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I would be against adding an image, it wouldn't aide to the readers' understanding. I don't like the image of the teleporters either. Adding text the way you described would be misleading. Wily doesn't turn into an alien; he operates a holographic projector to pose as an alien. Jay32183 (talk) 07:50, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • I agree an alien image is not really needed. Very few references even mentioned it and I think further highlighting it would be undue weight. Of all the images, I agree the teleporter image is the weakest. If you think it should go, feel free to remove it. Also, File:Megaman2 box.jpg should be reduced in size. (Guyinblack25 talk 14:33, 29 September 2009 (UTC))[reply]
  • Comments I'm inclined to oppose based on what I've read. I don't think the prose is not up to 1a level yet. Also, the development section is rather thin. Some examples:
    • "and in North America and Europe the following years." Years? What does that mean? '89 and '90?
    • "Critics focused on the audio-visuals and gameplay, and commented that it was an improvement over the first game." Sentence structure is more awkward than it needs to be. Tighten it (something like "critics praised the audio-visuals and gameplay as an improvement over the first game").
    • "Mega Man 2 has received high praise by many publications as the best title in the series as well as one of the greatest video games of all time" Switch to the active voice here, and I think yourself with a much stronger sentence.
    • "began to become more involved in the production process" What does that mean? Be more specific. Also, "began to become"?
    • "Due to the limited amount of cartridge space available for the first game, much of the leftover design elements were transferred to Mega Man 2." I do not understand this sentence...does leftover mean concepts that were cut from the first game? If so, please be more clear.
    • "A second difficulty setting was added for the North American release." Rather jarring to see this in the middle of this particular paragraph...
    • "offered some explanation for this saying that even in 1995" wordy. (why not just "explained that in 1995,"?
    • "much of the leftover design elements were transferred to Mega Man 2." "some design elements, however, were lost in the transition" Can't we be more specific here?
    • What's the timeline in the development section? When did work commence? How long did it take to develop? At some point, I assume the game must have transitioned from a hobby employees' to a funded product, no? TwilligToves (talk) 06:09, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

TwilligToves- I did some tweaks to address the issues above. To answer some of your questions.

  • "Following years" does mean 1989 for North America and 1990 for PAL regions. The details should be in the infobox, but they are hidden by default. I don't necessarily agree with hidden release dates, but is such detail necessary for the lead?
  • If the details about development were available, they would be in the article.

I'll be honest with you. I do not believe the prose will improve beyond what is already there nor will the development section be expanded further. I'm an above average copy editor at best and I took the article as far as I know how to a number of months ago. I looked through a number of print and online sources (both old and new) and did not find beyond what is in the article. If the article warrants opposition from you, then please do what you feel is necessary. (Guyinblack25 talk 17:08, 30 September 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Comment Refs mix ISO-style (YYYY-MM-DD) and Month Day, Year dates. Use one for all of them. I suggest Month Day, Year. --an odd name 17:18, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It should be fixed now. Thanks for the heads up. (Guyinblack25 talk 17:36, 30 September 2009 (UTC))[reply]
Found a few more, but I think that's all of them. --an odd name 18:00, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Image review: There are two separate screenshots from the game in use; can you convince me that they pass WP:NFCC#3a? Stifle (talk) 11:36, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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