Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/FC Barcelona/archive3

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Karanacs 14:47, 15 September 2010 [1].

FC Barcelona edit

Featured article review/FC Barcelona/archive1

Nominator(s): Sandman888 (talk) 19:00, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured article, it has received some copyediting since last, and the issues brought up then has been dealt with. Sandman888 (talk) 19:00, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment—no dab links, no dead external links. Ucucha 19:12, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment– Hleb appears in Out on loan section but there is no information to which club he is loaned. In my opinion that should be explained. PS. (talk) 19:30, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Back into main squad though he is on his way somewhere. Sandman888 (talk) 19:47, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: image issues resolved. Comments moved to talk page. [2] Эlcobbola _talk 16:47, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Inconsistent refs Most have a "." between the author and the pages, but some don't. Also, the numbers format is off. I see some like 201-2 and others 231-232 that are inconsistent YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 02:13, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Easy enough, fixed that. Sandman888 (talk) 11:44, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support ~~Comment~~ Looking pretty good on a quick scan through. Mentions the likes of Samitier and Sunyol from the club's past as well as figures from recent times. Explains the "mes que un club" stuff without going overboard. I can only speak for English language books, but the two main ones are cited, with the Phil Ball's excellent book on Spanish football rightly referenced more often than Burns' sometimes overenthusiastic history of the club. ~~One quibble: "As of 2010 the club has 170,000 socis, making it the club with most members in the world" – Benfica claim to hold the record with 200,000~~. Oldelpaso (talk) 17:35, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the review. I actually knew that but didn't think about it when the book made the claim that Barcelona had more. It was a marketing book, so it may not be the most accurate so removed clam+ref. Sandman888 (talk) 16:37, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~Just one more before I support: Coach Fernando Daucik and Ladislao Kubala, regarded by many as the club's best player ever - weasel wording, and unsourced too.~~ Oldelpaso (talk) 13:29, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Got it. Cheers, Sandman888 (talk) 14:01, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Independent copy edits have now been completed. --Diannaa ^(Talk) 20:41, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

*Oppose - I've left notes on the talkpage after reviewing about half of the article, nothing major but lots of little things. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:14, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment "The club is the world's second richest football club in terms of revenue, with an annual turn-over of €356 million." appears in the lead but is not detailed in the rest of the article and is unreferenced. Keith D (talk) 17:58, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- "In 2010, Forbes evaluated Barcelona's worth to be around €752 million (USD $1,000 million), ranking them fourth after Manchester United, Real Madrid, and Arsenal, based on figures from the 2008–09 season.[77][78] According to Deloitte, Barcelona had a recorded revenue of €366 million in the same period, ranking second to Real Madrid, who generated €401 million in revenue.[79]"
  - Lead has turn-over of €356 million & the section you quoted revenue of €366 million. Which is correct? Keith D (talk) 10:38, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Both. revenue is turnover. Sandman888 (talk) 11:26, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      - I think Keith is referring to the difference in numbers (356 vs 366)... The Rambling Man (talk) 11:53, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        ofc. duly corrected. Sandman888 (talk) 16:34, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        Thanks. Yes I was referring to the figures, as that was why I could not locate it in the first place. Keith D (talk) 17:17, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support: All my issues handled in the previous PR. Only outstanding issue was the need for a good copyedit, which has since been adressed by Diaanna. There wasn't too much to say on the PR itself, so that's a good sign as well ;) Cheers, ResMar 20:51, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support: I think the article should provide more info regarding the fact that the Camp Nou stadium is the largest in Europe. We can add : it has a capacity of 98,787, making it the largest stadium in Europe. It can be added at the records and at the stadia section. We could also add a mention at the "Núñez years" explaining that La Masia was created in 1979, and that it has been praised as one of the best football academies in the world. Rest of the article is fine. --Jordiferrer (talk) 12:44, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, both inserted. Sandman888 (talk) 12:56, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments – I was one of those who said this needed copy-editing last time, and I'm happy to see it was provided. Still some issues remaining, though:

Birth of FC Barcelona: Gamper's last name is unnecessarily repeated.
Rivera, Republic and Cold War: "These measures forced the club to change its name to Club de Futbol Barcelona and to the removal of the Catalan flag from its club shield." Should "to the removal of" be "to remove", or is there a word missing?
Space needed in "wonLa Liga" (1945).
Club de Futbol Barcelona: "he helped the club win the 1973–74 La Liga title for the first time since 1960." This risks being confusing since a given year's title can't be won in other years. I think something like "he helped the club win the La Liga title in 1973–74 for the first time since 1960" would be an improvement.
No need for multiple Bernabeu links in this section. Ronaldo is linked twice in a later section, so it goes further than this example.
Another space needed in "led tovan Gaal".
Exit Nunez, enter Laporta: "In the three years he were in charge". Shouldn't "were" be "was"?
"by beating last years Champions League winners...". "years" → "year's".
"and the Spanish Supercup trophy for a ninth time." Is this missing "won". Looking at the whole sentence, they couldn't have retained the cup that many times since this is their overall victory total, so this part doesn't make sense now.
Records: "Xavi, the player with most international caps, who as of...". Try ""Xavi, the player with the most international caps, as of...".
What's citing the first paragraph of Stadia.
"that one of the stones was inscribed the name of...". Is this missing a "with"?
UEFA should be spelled out in several references.Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:52, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Spelled UEFA out the first time per MoS. Rest of it taken care of. Thanks for the review! Sandman888 (talk) 07:45, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Més que un club indeed — excellent stuff, no obvious problems now Jimfbleak - talk to me? 10:33, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Tentative support only because nothing jumps out at me prose-wise. I found this article quite choppy and have done some smoothing out. I think another set of eyes wouldn't hurt but prose is okay now. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:51, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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