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Speedy deletion candidates edit

Candidates for speedy deletion
Amy Gallagher
User:Anupgrung/sandbox
BBL Drizzy
Bones Gate
Industry day
Jehovah Lova Toussaint
Kooki (film)
Louie the Laker
Draft:News Hive Indonesia
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Los Zodiac edit

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This was hard to assess, especially as there are varying spellings used. I couldn't find enough to show it meets WP:NBAND / WP:GNG. Survived 2005 AfD ([[1]], but standards very different then. Boleyn (talk) 10:39, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • From this it seems like there is some level of coverage in 2018's Demoler. El rock en el Perú 1965-1975 by Carlos Torres Rotondo
  • There may be some leads from this: "Very little has been written about the History of Rock in our environment. Only sketches (as some newspapers usually publish) and some studies such as the one done by Jose Miguel Gonzalo Garcia, entitled Development of Youth Music in Peru, give us a brief idea of this whole matter. But the closest thing to a treatise on the so-called underground current or alternative music comes from the university works of which I mention (but always from a giraffe perspective, based more on journalistic data or conversations with subways, than on personal experiences), the job that my friend Miguel Lescano did at the beginning of the 90s, or the Underground Rock -10 Years of Wild Operas by Alvaro Olano Dextre. All of them are the first formal attempts to capture a history of underground rock. Someone will try to object to me by saying, what about Pedro Cornejo's book? I'm sorry to contradict you little brother, but the Game without Borders - Approaches to Contemporary Music that Pedro published in 1994 is not considered, not even by Pedro Cornejo himself, a total work, at least it is not what many (like me) expected from Pedro Cornejo Guinassi, graduate in Philosophy, professor at La Católica, participant in the first years of underground rock, editor and collaborator of alternative publications and other publications."
  • es-wiki does not have an article for them, and nor are they actually covered at es:Rock_del_Perú or es:Historia_del_rock_en_el_Perú
  • They are not the Los Zodiacs from Getxo in Spain who had a song in a Pepsi ad (see this from El Correo)
I can't see what's in Torres, etc, but there's otherwise a dearth of reliable sourcing for the band other than being one of a number of early 60s Peruvian rock bands. Unless adequate info is discovered in Torres or other RS, redirect with retention of history and categories seems the sensible option. ~Hydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)~ 12:08, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Premier League overseas broadcasters edit

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. No context to assert notability either. Also, sources are primary sources, nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 15:58, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep per sources found by Claudio Fernag. Esolo5002 (talk) 13:44, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep GNG is well passed here and the sourcing for this list is certainly not in question, while the article is monitored closely to revert any errors or vandalism near immediately. We disqualify outright press releases, but certainly not reliable news sources, and the nominator is advised that they are perfectly acceptable to source a broadcast partner. Nate • (chatter) 18:22, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep There are as of now, at least 84 different sources in the article to back up its notability efforts or quota. BornonJune8 (talk) 9:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, but all but 6 are for articles, the rest are excuses to claim WP:RS. This argument is so 2007. Try harder next time. SpacedFarmer (talk) 13:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete yes there are 84 sources, but not many are actually WP:SIGCOV of Premier League broadcasters, they're just saying "in country X, company Y have a contract for Z years and W money". I don't see any good quality sources e.g. linking overseas broadcasters together in one source (apart from [6], which is one source), which is a suggestion at WP:LISTN for when a list might be notable. This just read like a TV directory. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:41, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This article is the one on broadcasting rights that has the best and most sources, I see no reason to delete it, it is completely encyclopedic.
PIKACHUNESS (talk) 18:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds like WP:ILIKEIT. An analysis of the sources would help. Conyo14 (talk) 19:05, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It is very valuable resource about the topic. Regpath (talk) 10:10, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Another WP:ILIKEIT, please provide a policy-based rationale for keeping. Conyo14 (talk) 16:41, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As usual, WP:ITSUSEFUL. SpacedFarmer (talk) 16:50, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment It is no longer just an article about a list of broadcasters as it was in the beginning, now a context has been added that gives it notability and verifiable and reliable sources have been added, so the information must be maintained, but maybe in this case what should be done is move this to List of Premier League broadcasters, as it was previously, so that everything is grouped in a single article, both local and international rights.--Edu1388 (talk) 20:19, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would support the merge suggested above over deletion. Conyo14 (talk) 23:11, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Airbiquity edit

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All sources for this company are WP:ROUTINE coverage. Allan Nonymous (talk) 16:32, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Lean keep very difficult to find under all the regurgitated press releases but the Seattle Post-Intelligencer has done a couple of more substantial pieces on the company,[1][2] which looks to have been more prominent in the 2000s. (I don't think the articles are still available online – if anyone would like me to email the full text to review, let me know). I'm not yet fully convinced of notability – we would want to see decent coverage from more than one source – but the situation is not quite as bad as it looks. – Teratix ₵ 06:48, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Cook, John (21 October 2005). "Ex-startup Airbiquity experiences a rebirth". Seattle Post-Intelligencer.
  2. ^ Cook, John (22 January 2008). "Airbiquity rebounds with funding, deals". Seattle Post-Intelligencer.

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  • Delete. I opened all of the refs, they are routine press releases, 404, tangential and such. Nothing to establish notability. A 1997 startup that had 50-100 employess before being bought up recently and has now disappeared. Desertarun (talk) 19:03, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Did you look for sources that weren't in the article? – Teratix ₵ 04:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Al-Tash Garrison edit

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Cannot find any sources besides the one 2003 report. Given it seems to lack official government recognition, WP:GNG applies over WP:NPLACE and I can find basically nothing about this place. Allan Nonymous (talk) 17:33, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep but rename. There was a refugee camp there and I believe it was notable per 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and other sources. I think “garrison” is just a mistranslation of “مخيم” and the intended meaning is “refugee camp”. Mccapra (talk) 06:14, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The problem here is that, since this place is not government recognized, WP:GNG applies. The first four here are primary sources, 5 is WP:ROUTINE coverage, and 6 about another camp and only mentions this one in passing. Allan Nonymous (talk) 13:03, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2017 Pattani bombing edit

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The sources are all from the time of the event. Need lasting coverage and impact to meet WP:EVENT. A search for sources yielded sources for a different bombing in Pattani in 2016. LibStar (talk) 02:03, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aleksandr Surikov (diplomat) edit

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Fails GNG and NBIO. Recently deceased Russian diplomat. Sources found in article and BEFORE fail WP:SIRS. Source eval:

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Government obit, fails WP:SIRS, all the normal obit problems plus the Russian government should not be considered a reliable source 1. www.mid.ru https://www.mid.ru/ru/activity/shots/vnutrivedomstvennye_novosti/nekrologi_pamyati_kolleg/1949977/ . Retrieved 2024-05-13 . {{cite web}}: Empty citation (help): Missing or empty |title= (help)
Government decree, fails WP:IS, does not contain SIGCOV about the subject. 2. ^ "Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of July 29, 2017 No. 348 “On the Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the Russian Federation in the Republic of Mozambique”" . Archived from the original on 2019-01-26 . Retrieved 2017-09-14 . {{cite web}}: Empty citation (help): Unknown parameter |deadlink= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
Government decree, fails WP:IS, does not contain SIGCOV about the subject. 3. ^ "Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of February 16, 2018 No. 76 “On the Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the Russian Federation in the Kingdom of Swaziland on a part-time basis”" . Archived from the original on 2018-02-16 . Retrieved 2018-02-16 . {{cite web}}: Empty citation (help): Unknown parameter |deadlink= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
Government obit, fails WP:SIRS, all the normal obit problems plus the Russian government should not be considered a reliable source 4. ^ www.mid.ru https://www.mid.ru/ru/activity/shots/vnutrivedomstvennye_novosti/nekrologi_pamyati_kolleg/1949977/ . Retrieved 2024-05-13 . {{cite web}}: Empty citation (help): Missing or empty |title= (help)
Obit based on government sources, fails WP:SIRS, all the normal obit problems plus the Russian government should not be considered a reliable source 5. ^ "Russian Ambassador to Mozambique Died" . TACC (in Russian) . Retrieved 2024-05-13 .

BEFORE found name mentions and government statements they released, and an interview, nothing meet WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth from independent reliable sources.  // Timothy :: talk  02:02, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Honorary Chaplain to the King edit

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This page is fundamentally flawed. The position of Honorary Chaplain to the King is a military appointment, for serving regular and reserve chaplains in the British and some Commonwealth armed forces. However much of the text refers to Chaplains to the King, who are members of the Ecclesiastical Household of the Royal Household, and are civilians, usually senior parish priests. I do not believe that the article can be repaired. As an alternative to deletion it would have to be wholly rewritten. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ncox001 (talk • contribs) 10:58, 27 April 2024 (UTC); listed on the log at 21:19, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep The nominator's contention is incorrect - Honorary Chaplain to the King is NOT a military appointment. In recent times a number of HCs have been appointed from the forces but many are also appointed who have no link to the forces. All are absolutely part of the ecclesiastical household. As such, the assertion that the article "cannot be repaired" is flawed. It should be improved, perhaps by starting here (p304) which details the creation of the position in 1881.----Pontificalibus 06:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete As lacking significant in-depth coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources. Also per WP:TNT: if someone believes this topic is notable, create a new article that's not a mess like this and with sufficient sources. AusLondonder (talk) 19:24, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep TNT is not necessary for a small stub such as this, any corrections can be made in situ. Has reliable sources book coverage, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 19:05, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Supermium edit

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Supermium is essentially just Chromium backported to Windows XP. Is this really notable enough for its own article? Seems like it could just have a short mention in the Chromium page. Bringing up the phrase "Supermium" on Google news just reports two articles related to the program, and two related to a Spotify subscription tier. There are several videos made on it however on YouTube (though, mostly by small creators). HolyNetworkAdapter (talk) 01:49, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, it also seems like the article was originally created by a sockpuppet, if that contributes anything. HolyNetworkAdapter (talk) 01:53, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Supporting old versions of Windows is a large enough niche, and the article already has 2 external refs because of it. (Plus there are plenty of other browser articles for even smaller, less-relevant niches.) -Pmffl (talk) 17:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Josh Fusitua edit

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a New Zealand rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 23:45, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per JTtheOG, can't see any thorough coverage of this person. David Palmer aka cloventt (talk) 02:14, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This is a young player at the beginning of his career and he is playing regularly for the Blues now. There are already more sources available about this player than used for this stub and it is foreseeable that there will be more written about him in the future. Ruggalicious (talk) 23:26, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Akade edit

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No clear notability. Creation tends to indicate an undeclared conflict of interest. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:56, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Taipei Economic and Cultural Office in Atlanta edit

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Lacking secondary sources specifically about the consulate. Fails WP:GNG and WP:ORGCRIT. AusLondonder (talk) 16:34, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Max Silvestri edit

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Not notable - no significant coverage of the subject and possibly promotional Pprsmv (talk) 19:21, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep: Not a strong keep, but there appears to be sufficient notability - The sources in the article currently are not useful due to being interviews or dead links, but there are some reviews of his work that can be found with minimal effort that tend to indicate notability (Exclaim, The Diamondback, Vulture) - There are also interviews, Q&As and other sources, but generally they are not as strong as the 3 reviews above to establish notoriety. Shazback (talk) 19:38, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fayse Goh edit

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the article appears to be very promotional. I also searched up the name, and it appears to plagarize his youtube channel's description. Gaismagorm (talk) 20:02, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  •   Info - Note to closer for soft deletion: This nomination has had limited participation and falls within the standards set for lack of quorum. There are no previous AfD discussions, undeletions, or current redirects and no previous PRODs have been located. This nomination may be eligible for soft deletion at the end of its 7-day listing.
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The Bunker (upcoming film) edit

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No evidence found this meets N:FILM with this the only piece newer than what's in the article and not enough to indicate notability for an unreleased film. Star Mississippi 01:40, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • If it's too soon for the article to be in mainspace, then I vote draftify. The Film Creator (talk) 01:47, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment My only argument for the article to be kept was that these three sources from Screen International, Deadline Hollywood and JoBlo.com were published at different dates and each of them were about different topics and yet all of them are related to this film. IMO, I believe at least three (or four) reliable sources are needed for a film-related article, particularly if the film is upcoming or unreleased, to be eligible for mainspace. The Film Creator (talk) 01:52, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The latter two are from 2021 and I can find nothing to indicate this has progressed sufficiently for N:FILM or that it will be released. I have no objection with it being re-draftified if you'd be willing should it close that way. Star Mississippi 02:10, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Star Mississippi Per WP:NFF, WP:NYF and WP:CRYSTAL, I'm content that the article be moved back to draftspace until new and reliable information about this film is published. The Film Creator (talk) 02:13, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hannah Ryder edit

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Very questionable WP:SUSTAINED notability Amigao (talk) 01:07, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete: Head of a UN Agency might be notable, but sourcing is about the initiatives of this agency, not about this person. I don't find much else we'd use for RS either. Oaktree b (talk) 01:35, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GJ Stoutimore edit

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There is zero evidence of the subject's notability on any standard. Virtually every source is either to the subject's own writing, links to buy the subject's book, or marketing material. (Even apparently reliable sources are not; the Kirkus Reviews source is actually from "Kirkus Indie," a paid placement, and the BookTrib.com reviews are also paid placements on a book marketing platform.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 00:52, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete: The book has no notable reviews as explained, and there is no coverage of the author otherwise. What's used now in the article is primary sourcing or product placements. Oaktree b (talk) 01:39, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wrightspeed X1 edit

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This article dates from 2006, a period when one might argue with success that Wikipedia was in a major growth phase, and that poorly sourced articles were acceptable on the basis that they might be improved. This one has been edited periodically, but not improved. It has a single source, and does not pass WP:GNG. It is interesting, but gives undue weight to the vehicle, which is only notable for its power train, not for anything else about it. There is thus no objection to merge and redirect as an outcome to this discussion, with the merge target being the source of the powertrain, or with the manufacturer of the chassis. There appears to be no individual article on the designer himself, or that might be a valid target. I am thus asking for consensus not only on the fate of the article, but on any merge target as well. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 13:40, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment: Some coverage found, [11] and [12]. Merge to Wrightspeed or the Ariel Atom? I'm not sure. Oaktree b (talk) 19:02, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Oaktree b Given that choice, I think it is more relevant to Wrightspeed than the Aerial Atom. However, Wrightspeed ends up at an article of a different name, but mainly about Wrightspeed. I think there needs to be some background work here by someone who can rationalise what is what. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 22:24, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I see some support for redirect, but no consensus as to a target. We shouldn't need another full week to settle on a target.
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"Wrightspeed" seems like a good redirect choice. Oaktree b (talk) 01:40, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kristen Onsgard edit

Kristen Onsgard (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Bridge player. Seems like a total failure of WP:GNG. Specifically, there is not a single independent source in the article, and I was not able to find any either. From WP:GNG: "Independent of the subject excludes works produced by the article's subject or someone affiliated with it". Within bridge, "affiliated with the subject" means bridge federations, leagues, and tournaments - and of course also the subject herself (here, I'm referring to the Amazon page for a book.) Prolonged attempts to explain the creator what a significant and independent source is, have not bore fruit at all; a discussion of this nature might also come up during this discussion. References to a bridge SNG might also come up, which is irrelevant as long as GNG is not met. Geschichte (talk) 15:34, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - We have already gone through this review process with this user. My account is autopatrolled, new articles I create should not have to go through the review process as I am supposed to be trusted to know what types of articles meet Wikipedia guidelines.

Kristen won a North American Bridge Championship (NABC). These Bridge events are open to players around the world and many fly in, including the world's top professional players, to compete at these 10 day tournaments. Winning an unlimited event at an NABC is very prestigious achievement. I created Kristen's page, and also included a picture.

Geschichte decided to move this new article to Draft space. There was discussion on this user's Talk page about this. I asked for more senior Wikipedia editors to review the submission. They decided that the page was notable, overruled Geschichte, and Star Mississippi moved the article to the main Wikipedia on April 7, asking Geschichte to take it to AfD if there was any issues.

One would have thought the discussion was over, but Geschichte retaliated by adding

to Kristen's page on April 11, having just been overruled on that very issue.

Since April 11 the page has been edited by others, including additional information about Kristen and more references added.

I removed the "no significant coverage" banner today. Geschichte then retaliated again by submitting this to AfD.

I have created 7 pages on Bridge players this year. All are similar in style, scope. None of them have been sent to AfD. I have probably created 300+ Wikipedia pages for Bridge players over the last few years.

I don't want to get into a flame war, but "Prolonged attempts to explain the creator what a significant and independent source is, have not bore fruit at all" is not what has happened. Another Wikipedia editor, Star Mississippi overruled Geschichte issues. This is Geschichte second retaliation to being overruled. The first retaliation was adding the banner, the second retaliation was submitting this to AfD almost a month after it was approved.

A general rule of thumb in Bridge is anyone who has won a World event, won a European event, or won a North American Bridge Championship is meets the notability requirements, based on comparisons with other sports.

Kristen meets that criteria.Nicolas.hammond (talk) 03:49, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

She more than likely does meet notability criteria, but we need sourcing about this person in order to build the article. What's used now isn't acceptable. Oaktree b (talk) 01:44, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - In "Independent of the subject excludes works produced by the article's subject or someone affiliated with it", the article's subject in this case is surely Kristen Onsgard. Someone affiliated with her is surely intended to mean a family member, friend, or someone who is part of the same circle. Surely interpreting it as excluding works produced by a national bridge federation is interpreting it far more broadly than was intended? JH (talk page) 09:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - please can someone confirm which source(s) show significant coverage of Onsgard? I have checked each one and can't find any. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 09:10, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment as I was pinged. I don't view myself as having overruled Geschichte as that's not really a thing here. I believed the article deserved a chance in mainspace, and I restored it acting as an editor, not as an admin. I have not looked further and likely will not during the run of this discussion so I take no point on this deletion discussion. Geschichte disagreed with my restoration, as is within their right as an established editor, and brought it here for the community to discuss. That's exactly the process that should happen. Nicolas.hammond, being autopatrolled does not mean your articles can't be brought for deletion. I'd venture a guess that every editor who has written more than a handful has had one of the articles they started brought for deletion. It is not personal, although it may feel it. Please look for independent, reliable sources which will help determine whether Onsgard is notable, not any "rule of thumb". Star Mississippi 01:51, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This needs input from someone who understands who Wikipedia works. The comments above need not be characterized by me as they speak for themselves, with non-existing concepts such as "approval", "overruling", "retaliation" etc. Geschichte (talk) 07:12, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Please avoid interpersonal drama, and focus on substantive arguments relating to notability as determined by our guidelines.
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  • Delete: Outside of team profiles, there is no coverage for this person. Even what's used now in the article is ranking listings from various bridge federations. We need articles in media of some kind about this person. Oaktree b (talk) 01:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

12Go edit

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Does not meet the WP:NCORP/WP:GNG. Sources are based on what they say or adverts. There was this one by The South African but the author is "a junior campaign management who inspires and empowers you to create marketing that your customers will love; igniting real results for your business" so not reliable/independent so I removed it along with blogs and other non-RS (written by contributors and/or sponsored). I was unable to find any reliable sources about the company. S0091 (talk) 15:59, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.ttrweekly.com/site/2024/02/12go-shines-a-spotlight-on-its-sales-stars https://www.traveldailynews.asia/column/interviews/transforming-ground-transportation-a-conversation-with-ron-hoffman-ceo-of-12go/ https://nl.mashable.com/travel/8863/12go-pioneering-multimodal-travel-from-south-east-asia-to-the-world https://lamag.com/contributor-content/empowering-solo-journeys-12gos-guide-to-top-solo-female-travel-destinations-in-asia-for-2024 https://www.freep.com/story/special/contributor-content/2024/04/02/leadership-in-data-driven-travel-insights-deciphering-12gos-top-2024-new-year-destinations-in-asia/73182956007/ https://www.azcentral.com/story/special/contributor-content/2024/01/25/12gos-revealed-insights-reflecting-on-the-top-2024-new-year-destinations-in-asia/72352136007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/special/contributor-content/2023/08/30/redefining-leadership-a-glimpse-into-the-team-and-philosophy-of-12go/70721506007/ https://www.stltoday.com/news/nation-world/streamlining-group-adventures-how-12go-is-transforming-travel-planning-in-asia/article_24825eec-3456-5d22-b87b-b9f0eb401291.html https://www.thesouthafrican.com/business/travel-business/12go-charting-the-course-of-innovative-travel-in-southeast-asia-october-2023/ https://www.ttgasia.com/2022/10/07/airasia-12go-create-all-in-one-transport-booking-solution-for-travellers/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/05/10/bookaway-books-35m-to-scale-up-its-ground-transportation-booking-platform/ https://newsroom.airasia.com/news/2022/10/3/airasia-super-app-expands-the-booking-capability-to-include-land-and-sea-transportation-modes Stromeee (talk) 16:33, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stromee, about half of those links will not even open for me. The others are telling me something - that 12GO aspires to be a one stop travel solution and such like, but there is a lot of reporting here and not much analysis. WP:ORGCRIT says:

These criteria, generally, follow the general notability guideline with a stronger emphasis on quality of the sources to prevent gaming of the rules by marketing and public relations professionals.

and so per WP:CORPDEPTH:

The depth of coverage of the subject by the source must be considered. Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject is not sufficient to establish notability. Deep or significant coverage provides an overview, description, commentary, survey, study, discussion, analysis, or evaluation of the product, company, or organization. Such coverage provides an organization with a level of attention that extends well beyond brief mentions and routine announcements, and makes it possible to write more than a very brief, incomplete stub about the organization.

We need multiple sources of this level. So, which sources do you think meet this level of significant coverage? I am not seeing it - but again, five of those links simply won't open in Europe. If we can focus our attention on the best sources, I can make the effort to access those via VPN. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 16:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To @Sirfurboy's point, @Stromeee I suggest following WP:THREE. Also, contributor posts like USA Today are not WP:RS and per WP:TRADES, trade publications generally cannot be used to establish notability. S0091 (talk) 17:29, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: It's pretty tough sifting for actual coverage among all the promotion. This 2017 Skift article covers the subject in two short paragraphs, with some original analysis.[13] --Paul_012 (talk) 10:00, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merdeka Memorial Clock Tower, Kulim edit

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WP:MILL structure that fails WP:GNG and WP:NGEO. No sources to describe the significance; two news sources provide evidence in cursory coverage that it was constructed but no detail to constitute WP:SIGCOV. WP:BEFORE search turns up no additional evidence of notability. Dclemens1971 (talk) 00:18, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Architecture and Malaysia. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:25, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Plenty of hits about the clock tower in the Singapore National Library, such as [14], but it seems you need to open them on-site in order to be able to read the articles. I've been able to pull these up [15]. Oaktree b (talk) 01:50, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for looking at this @Oaktree b. There are actually numerous merdeka (aka "independence") towers/monuments in Malaysia, and this article is specifically about the one in Kulim. The searches you linked are for other cities' merdeka towers. A search adding "Kulim" brings up just the one cursory result already sourced in the article, see here. Just sharing in case this info changes your !vote; thanks! Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:08, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Files edit

File:Wilfred Rhodes.jpg edit

File:Wilfred Rhodes.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by RachelBrown (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

No source information given; replaceable by File:Rhodes bowling front 3.jpg. Wikiacc () 00:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Between You and Me MusicVideo.jpg edit

File:Between You and Me MusicVideo.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Gen. Quon (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Screenshot's easy to explain in brief words already. No need to display band members in the video just to identify them there. No proof that omitting the screenshot detriments understanding of the whole song (or music video). May fail "contextual significance" criterion. George Ho (talk) 00:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Dctalk betweenyouandme3.jpg edit

File:Dctalk betweenyouandme3.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Invisible hurricane (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

No proof that this cover art is of one of commercial releases. Found one promo-only release using it (discogs). Other (retail) cover art already used. Fails "minimal number of items" and "contextual significance" criteria. George Ho (talk) 00:09, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Stewart Farm - Memoir of Aura Stewart historic marker.jpg edit

File:Stewart Farm - Memoir of Aura Stewart historic marker.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Notorious4life (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Per c:COM:FOP US, freedom of panorama only extends to buildings. This historical marker is dated 2003 and there is no evidence to suggest that the text is freely licensed. As c:COM:CB#Noticeboards and signs states, "detailed informational and educational noticeboards/signs [...] are almost always copyright-protected". ✗plicit 00:14, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete—since the marker originates after 1989, the text on it is protected by copyright. The photo must be deleted to avoid infringing. (As a reminder, state government works like this are not automatically placed in the public domain like federal government works, unless state says otherwise, and Michigan's does not.) Imzadi 1979 → 00:39, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Clash of the titansposter.jpg edit

File:Clash of the titansposter.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Andrzejbanas (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Remove from Andromeda (mythology). Pretty sure this image fails WP:NFCC#8 with its use in Andromeda (mythology)#In film since the subject of the article is not the film. Readers can just go to Clash of the Titans (1981 film), which is linked at Andromeda (mythology)#In film, to see the poster since the poster meets all WP:NFCC in Clash of the Titans (1981 film). Steel1943 (talk) 00:58, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Twelfth Man Statue TAMU.jpg edit

File:Twelfth Man Statue TAMU.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Cjethaniuart (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Copied from [16]. Now unused. (Unclear if F9 applies because the uploader initially claimed fair use.) Wikiacc () 02:03, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Ankit Tiwari Photos.jpg edit

File:Ankit Tiwari Photos.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Nikhilarora0903 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Contains a watermark that doesn't seem to correspond to the uploader's username --Min☠︎rax«¦talk¦» 02:10, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Categories edit

NEW NOMINATIONS edit

Category:NBA 2K players edit

Nominator's rationale: Only one subject in category Let'srun (talk) 02:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:19th-century Canadian people (post-Confederation) edit

Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between century and confederation status. There isn't a Canadian people (post-Confederation) category. Mason (talk) 00:41, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fran Saleški Finžgar edit

Nominator's rationale: Delete for now. This entire category tree only has two pages in it: the author and one novel they work, which isn't helpful for navigation. (Notably it has just as many categories as pages). Mason (talk) 00:22, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fran Levstik edit

Nominator's rationale: Delete for now. This category only has two pages in it, the author and the list of their works. That's not helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 00:20, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fujiwara no Shunzei edit

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category only has two pages in it. One of which is the author's work and the other is the author. That's not helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 00:17, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirects edit

NOT:DICTIONARY edit

The "NOT:" namespace doesn't exist, nor it is short for a real namespace. This is the only page of its kind that uses the NOT pseudo namespace and has seen zero usage. (Special:PrefixIndex/NOT:) A (standard) redirect to this page that it points to is WP:DICTIONARY, which is already shorter. JackFromWisconsin (talk | contribs) 01:28, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Templates and Modules edit

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