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Hi Soval.

Interesting to see what a Featured Article radio station article looks like.--Charles (talk) 21:04, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I cannot make a sensible reply for the moment. SovalValtos (talk) 20:59, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

June 2014

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Two edits is hardly a war. Citations are not required in the lead section if they are in the body of the article. What is worth including in the lead is a matter for talk page discussion. This heavy handed warning looks more like an editor trying to own the page.--Charles (talk) 13:53, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

There was incident like this on Unnao gold treasure incident. I created article, story was developing hour by hour, I was searching refs and info, info was changing. And during this hectic period, out of blue, one editor dropped and made some grammatical corrections like 'a, an, the'. With developing story, I changed text. Now this editor got angry and started reverting my edits ONLY because his grammatical corrections were gone. He went to edit warring board, talked about WP:OWN, collaboration. Admin warned me. With this warning, his job was done and he left article like he came. But it broke my interest. I had planned to nominate that article for GA but I abandoned that article. Some editors often abuse editing privileges and wiki policies like WP:OWN to make random edits and force interested and contributing editor to engage in war of words and to eventually force him to abandon article. The editor SovalValtos is like that editor. He came, read lead, removed text saying that it is unreferenced. He didn't bother to read body of article. Wikipedia prefers secondery source, but when I cited existing secondery refs, he asked for primary refs. Because of this unusual request and after checking that his account is just 2 month old, I thought that he don't know WP:3RR. So I posted warning here. I have nominated article for GA review. If user savolvaltos is interested in improving and expanding article, he is welcome. But please don't abuse WP:OWN to make random edits and harass other editor. Thanks. Abhi (talk) 14:43, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Rustington

I made a small change at Rustington (since you asked!). A quick search on Google found loads of interesting history on the village if you're interested in taking it on. Best wishes, Tony Holkham (talk) 12:19, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

No can do at present. I just do some tidying SovalValtos (talk) 17:04, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

September 2014

Thank you for your message.Great that you are happy. Lots to do, the woman in Englands fashion and art world have not finished their pages, and it is fun for me.Spikequeen (talk) 20:50, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

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Hatton Castle, Aberdeenshire

Hi SovalValtos, thanks for looking at Hatton Castle, Aberdeenshire - it's always nice to know someone has been interested in articles. I had been intending to expand it a little further but haven't had time to get back to it yet. McKean actually states "Hatton embraces a substantial part of the ancient house and strong castle of Balquollie, ..." so would you consider reverting your edit, please? Thanks. SagaciousPhil - Chat 06:30, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Spam (food) Article Editing

Hello! I’m Maggie, and I’m part of a group (with Linda, Tiffany, and Kathy) that is working on editing the Spam (food) article as part of a class assignment for INFO 3460.

Thank you for taking a look at our proposal. We noticed that you went ahead and started the manufacturing section that we were planning to add to the article, and just wanted to let you know that we are currently working on expanding this section. When you started the section, what was your vision for it?

Please keep us updated on your plans, and feel free to reach out to us about how we can be collaborating together on this article. Thank you! Mwong850 (talk) 00:26, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello, I'm Tiffany and I am part of the above group. We noticed that you started editing the Manufacturing process section of the Spam article using a source in our bibliography. However, two other user had already pointed out that this source is unreliable. Would you mind if we replaced these edits with reliable sources? Thanks! Tkw32 (talk) 01:34, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

No plans and no vision (yet). From my point of view the best way to help improve the article is to stick to editing it and using the talk page, rather than any other collaboration.SovalValtos (talk) 09:19, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Please remember ladies that nobody owns the page. Discuss on the article talk page.Charles (talk) 09:40, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi there, Charles and SovalValtos! I just wanted to clarify that we decided to specifically post on this user talk page because we wanted to personally reach out to other contributors as we edit the article together, and ask a couple of questions specific to SovalValtos' edits. Our group actually has continuously been updating the article talk page with summaries of our edits throughout this process, so the main article's talk page is our primary means of communicating with others about how to better improve the article, and we would definitely appreciate feedback on our progress there as well. Thanks for expressing your concerns and opinions! - Mwong850 (talk) 19:47, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

London and Provincial Bank Building, Sutton

Good idea about the separate page for this building. Is this a project you would like to/have time to take forward yourself? I notice that historic buildings is one of your interests. A P Monblat (talk) 17:52, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Guildford videogame industry

Hello, I noticed you edited out "Supermassive games" from the list of companies in Guildford. Can you say why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Monops (talk • contribs) 00:45, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Sutton painting

When you get a spare ten minutes would you please "straighten" this image, as you did for the heritage mural. Thank you.

A P Monblat (talk) 15:12, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

SV may be too pissed off with your constant fiddling around to feel like running errands for you.Charles (talk) 17:20, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

I am not certain I did right with the Sutton Heritage Mural image. I THINK I re-uploaded it correctly, but I am concerned about the copyright of the Art and whether the image should be used at all. The image of the Twin Towns painting is not good enough to be worth bothering with. It crops a part and has foliage in front. I am too busy with other subjects, and dealing with inadequate references on the Sutton related articles to want to be involved.SovalValtos (talk) 17:36, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Charles, if you compare the article now with the way it was three years ago, you would have to agree that it is vastly improved. Yes, maybe it is slightly over-engineered, but better the way it is than the way it was any day. It may have too many photos (even after the recent removals), so I will remove a few more including the wonky painting. Btw, have you redirected anyone to Uncyclopedia? A P Monblat (talk) 18:08, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Regarding Ray Charles

Hi SovalVatltos,

Could you please help explain what you mean by "biased" posts in the Ray Charles edit we are doing? There is a group project we are in the middle of working for at Cornell University in Ithaca, NY, and we need to make sure the article is up and running by tomorrow - so a reply would be extremely helpful! Thank you so much for your time and contributions

-Cheers Fr237 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fr237 (talk • contribs) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

I would like to be able to help by explaining what I meant by "biased" posts to the Ray Charles page, but as it is not something I have written, I cannot. The page still seems to be up and running with some useful edits being made, so I would not worry about a deadline. There are no deadlines on Wikipedia. Please sign Talk posts with four tildas. SovalValtos (talk) 03:56, 2 October 2014 (UTC)SovalValtos (talk) 10:55, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

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Steak

Please undo the revert you just did to Steak and learn what the appropriate usage of reverting someone is. WP:ROWN If you don't think it belongs, it would be something to mention on the talk page. David Condrey (talk) 01:17, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

David CondreyI should have said that yours was a good faith edit and your work is appreciated. So sorry for that. I reverted because I thought it made the article worse, being off topic. I looked at your suggested link WP:ROWN and saw "a reversion is appropriate when the reverter believes that the edit makes the article clearly worse and there is no element of the edit that is an improvement." I still think that is the case but will revert if others think it should be included.SovalValtos (talk) 01:45, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

if it clearly reduces the quality of the article, revert, because it's vandalism. But what your considering worse is a matter of opinion. In my opinion it makes the article better because without it the section is merely 1 sentence and doesn't justify being. I'm going to undo the revert myself. If you still feel strongly about it, it should be discussed on the talk page of the article. If there is better content to replace it, then by all means; but until then I'm just substantiating the section.

you should never revert another editors contributions unless it's vandalism or undebatable. David Condrey (talk) 06:34, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

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Glan Syfynwy

On the subject we were discussing, there is Narberth Road and Maenclochog Railway and this ref that seems interesting. Don't think I'm keen to get 'into' railways, though! Tony Holkham (talk) 11:28, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Just found this site as well. Tony Holkham (talk) 11:32, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

South East Today

Re your removal, If you live in the south of England and watch BBC News, then you will be aware that both Natalie Graham and John Young do appear on BBC South East news. They should be capable of meeting WP:GNG and supporting articles. Would you please reconsider your removal? Mjroots (talk) 08:16, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

User:Mjroots Thank you for getting in touch on my talk page. It sounds like it should be fairly straight forward to either make pages for them both, or find sources that they are notable. Without sources we simply don't know that they are notable and such entries may be WP:BLP violations. As it happens I do not know of the people concerned, so no original research from me, and easier to take a neutral stance. So to conclude I would be delighted to revert when someone finds the necessary sources. SovalValtos (talk) 12:17, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

I agree that it would be original research or hearsay to include them without having their own articles written first. In terms of recentism there is no reason to list current staff over those in the past. We are not going to cover all of them, only the most notable. Wikipedia is after all not a directory or a media guide.Charles (talk) 14:09, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

International Airport

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Dunkirk evacuation

I think the mistreatment of POWs is very on topic. Kicking over water buckets. I had never known about that before and appreciated that bit of insight about Dunkirk. SlightSmile 23:32, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Agreed an interesting snipit of information, but more to do with what went on after the Evacuation than the topic of the page. I am sure it will have its place elsewhere on Wiki.SovalValtos (talk) 23:46, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Eastleigh meetup

Hi SovalValtos, thank you for coming to the meetup yesterday. It was a pleasure meeting you :-) Marek.69 ^talk 20:27, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

User:Marek69 I am working on my pics. After approval, I hope to have a couple useful for Eastleigh pages. Just be aware how feeble is my grasp of getting around on Wiki.SovalValtos (talk) 21:00, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

If you need any help, please let me know. Best Regards -- Marek.69 ^talk .

Commerical radio stations

I strongly disagree with your edits to pages of certain commercial radio stations. If a page should only list those presenters that 'demonstrate a notability' (or seemingly in this case, have a Wiki page of their own), it leaves the page in question incomplete. I understand the need to avoid becoming a directory of sorts but some of your actions suggest pedancy, are based on a weak argument and completely ignore the interests of other editors. 78.147.69.70 (talk) 07:05, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Keep up the good work, SV. It is extremely bad form of User 78.147.69.70 of Denbigh to anonymously accuse (unfairly in my view) an editor of pedantry, especially when the accusation is unsupported - what edits, what stations, what weaknesses, which other editors? I know you're quite capable of answering the comment (or not) yourself, but I don't like sniping. All the best. Tony Holkham (talk) 11:14, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you User:78.147.69.70 for your point of view; noted.SovalValtos (talk) 08:09, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Weymouth, Dorset

Hello SovalValtos, Many thanks for reverting the unsourced POV edits on the Weymouth, Dorset article. I believe this is the same IP editor who has tried to insert his pet subject before - each time without references or sources - and each time being reverted. I have left a warning on the latest Talk page and hope they will finally get the message on Wikipedia conventions. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 21:42, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Trust Ratings

Hello SovalValtos, i have updated the awards and recognition section of a few brands,including the Johnnie Walker page, since it is a significant recognition in India for a brand to be listed in the Brand Trust Report. Some of these brands also work with the publishers of this report to improve their overall trust scores. It is not supposed to a any kind of a spam, infact there are various trusted news articles across for reference apart from the original website. Regards, Varad Khot (talk) 13:13, 12 December 2014 (UTC)(talk)

December 2014

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Native language - Welsh

Hi SV - I saw you removed from the Carwyn Jones lead reference to his being a native Welsh speaker. It may be notable in that the "native language" of many Welsh people (my wife, for example) is English, and so can be a point of contention sometimes (being English, I take no stand on the point!). Just thought I'd mention it in case you get any flak. Cheers, Tony... Tony Holkham (talk) 13:50, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

End of first year editing

As the first year that I have edited closes, I would like to thank those that have helped me. Too many to name all, but User:Charlesdrakew greeted me early on and has been a rock to rely on. User:Tony Holkham introduced me to lifeboat stations and a writer's approach. What a work rate! I can never aspire to living up to the teahouse sages, who perhaps collectively deserve the Nobel peace prize. Assume good faith has been a great motto, and when too difficult I have learned to drop a dead rat, by removing pages from my watchlist. I just hope I have contributed as much as I have been given. A New Year resolution might be for me to learn referencing! SovalValtos (talk) 04:40, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Operation Mascot

Hi, I appreciate your changes to this article, but it might be best if you queried material rather than change it with a question about its validity as you did in [1] and [2]: the sources you asked about back these up, and it would be better to discuss it than to have reverts going on. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 23:57, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Similarly, given that the article is at FAC, it might be best if you made comments there rather than cn bombed the article as you did in [3] (this causes the 'citation needed' tag to appear, which isn't what you appear to intend). Nick-D (talk) 23:59, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

(It was a good point though, which I've hopefully addressed) Nick-D (talk) 00:06, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

There has been an edit conflict which at my level of competence I cannot cope with. I tried to say "Nick-D I will suspend editing Mascot for a while to reflect." SovalValtos (talk) 00:12, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

OK, sorry about that - I was keen to remove the cn tag given that this is at FAC. Nick-D (talk) 00:15, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

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Do you want to vote for the next TAFI? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 23:36, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

No, thank you for asking SovalValtos (talk) 02:17, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

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Reference for my edit.

Hey there, here's the reference for the edit I made at Governance of Metro Manila. I just forgot to put it, sorry for that; my bad.

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Thank you for that.PH 0447 I think every single change to a figure needs to be individually cited as it would be easy to confuse such things as the areas of a city and a district. Please could you also add an edit summary for each edit, saying what you have done?SovalValtos (talk) 06:03, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Gallipoli

re: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gallipoli_Campaign&oldid=prev&diff=648828337

Did you even bother to look at the result of your revert? (that's what the "show preview" button is for). I'm reverting it back. Actually look at your edit does, before blindly making it. - ^theWOLFchild 05:58, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you ^theWOLFchild for your comment. It would be helpful if you were to leave an edit summary when making changes such as the one you did. Meanwhile you might like to look at WP:IMGSIZE and if you want to do something different, take the discussion to the Gallipoli talk page. Best wishes SovalValtos (talk) 11:17, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Commons categories

Good morning, SV. Can you help me understand Commons categories? If (in Commons) I type in Petersfield, I get a handful of pics, yet they don't seem to have Category:Petersfield on their edit page. And I know there are many pics of Petersfield, yet some seem to have obscure categories like Category:Tilmore Road, Petersfield. I felt I was in a maze and presumably am missing something simple. My question is not specific to Petersfield, of course, as I like to look for pics to illustrate other articles I'm interested in, but I find Commons very confusing. Cheers, Tony Holkham (Talk) 11:13, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

I am probably at about the same level of understanding. I have picked up that the filing system is strictly hierarchical. Suggest Teahouse or the commons editor you had contact with previously.SovalValtos (talk) 14:40, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)You need this page, which differs from this display page of selected photos. I have changed the link to go to the more useful page.Charles (talk) 20:34, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for that. I was just trying to do the same when the second part of your help came through. Are there many other Wikipedia pages I wonder that link to similar less useful versions in Commons? I do not yet understand what the position of the unhelpful version is in the firmament. SovalValtos (talk) 20:44, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

To editor SovalValtos: and To editor Charlesdrakew: - thank you both. A little clearer now. Tony Holkham (Talk) 21:02, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

There are a lot of rubbish images on commons, many of them moved over from the Geograph project. I suppose a page showcasing the best images could be good if anyone had the time and inclination to do so. It does need a clear link to the full category though.Charles (talk) 08:38, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

I found WP:Gallery and WP:LAYIM instructive, but wouldn't consider myself a good judge of image quality. Tony Holkham (Talk) 12:03, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Bardfield Saling

The URL you attempted to use as a reference for your edit cannot be used as a citation because it does not return the original search. Please find another ref. Dwpaul ^Talk 03:48, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Third time lucky. At least it works for me.SovalValtos (talk) 04:11, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes, the inclusion of the UID in the new URL identifies the specific content. Thanks. Dwpaul ^Talk 12:16, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the prod User:Dwpaul A bit beyond me are UID and URL. I need a coaching session on refs. I would pick it up quickly then. The Cit I finally used strictly does not cover the other 30 Listed Buildings. 31 for a village of 179 people! I am sure another 30 refs is not the way to go. Probably synthesis? SovalValtos (talk) 13:16, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

URL = Uniform Resource Locator = a Web address. In this case http://list.historicengland.org.uk/resultsingle_print.aspx?uid=1122802&showMap=1&showText=1. The UID is a value in the URL that identifies the specific record(s) that is/are to be returned when the URL is accessed: uid=1122802. This was absent the first two times, so no one other than you could reproduce the results you were seeing as a result of your search. The Historic England database may not be constructed in such a way to easily return all 31 structures in a single search by URL. Would be better to supply a source (news article, etc.) that talks about the 31 structures (if such exists) rather than try to link to the database. Dwpaul ^Talk 13:55, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Some stroopwafels for you!

For taking the initiative to jump in and help at the Teahouse ... you may not be an official Teahouse Host, but your contribution was helpful and that is what counts. Gronk Oz (talk) 08:02, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Sarah Champion (politician)

Your edit summary "Replacing 'more neutral language' with the original accurate reflection of the source" would imply my wording didn't appear in the source. In fact the word claimed is used in the first paragraph, ahead of the phrase billed the taxpayer. Given the impending general election I believe it more important than ever to adhere to NPOV and avoid dog-whistle phrases. Please reconsider. Bazj (talk) 18:27, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the above Bazj. I will look at it again, but not tonight. SovalValtos (talk) 18:40, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Bazj I think either term could be justified, both being in the source, but I have replaced claimed. I tried to find whether what she had done was actually illegal; I suspect not, just going against some form of guidance.

I have learned a new term in dog-whistle phrase, it rather shows up the current style of BBC journalism or editing. Other potential sources might have been more critical of her than the BBC source I added. I do not have the opinion that just, negative language in a source should be sanitised due to external circumstances. You may have noticed I added a sentence showing her intention to repay. Anyway we shall see in due course what other editors make of it. Thank you. SovalValtos (talk) 11:27, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

In light of our exchange here I thought I should let you know about a caution I've placed on the talk page of the vandalising IP you've reverted. I was in two minds whether to place it on the user's or the article's talk page. I'd appreciate a second impartial view (and a third please Keri). If you feel the vandal-campaign link needs a wider audience I'd have no objection to it appearing on the article's talk as well. Regards, Bazj (talk) 07:44, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

• Viz the ip: I had hoped that the welcome banner placed on the ip's talk page would encourage them to be more reflective about their content removal, but 3 days later they did it again. As they still refused to engage in discussion, I escalated the cautions from 'content removal' to 'edit warring'. Should they persist then the next step will be to seek a block for edit warring against consensus.
• Viz the claim made by Sarah Champion: It was definitely a massive gaffe on someone's part - be it her or one of her staffers. It shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone that reimbursal for Remembrance wreaths was not permitted by IPSA - Ed Balls, Boris Johnson, Tom Levitt, Shahid Malik, Jeremy Browne and Charles Kennedy to name but a few all made national news in 2009 for doing the same thing, and this was dredged up again in 2014 when Caroline Dinenage tried to claim for sympathy cards sent to bereaved constituents. I haven't looked at any of the a/m pages to see if the incidents are reported there, by the way, although my opinion is that they should be. Keri (talk) 10:02, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
• Should also add that, given her predecessor was Denis MacShane, whose resignation forced the by-election which Champion won, information about the nature of her expense claims has a high relevance, imo. Keri (talk) 10:24, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

I am not sure that I can be of much use in dealing with cautions. I have only been editing for just about a year. I think it was right to put the caution on the user's talk page. Should this section be copied across to the article's talk page? SovalValtos (talk) 12:40, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

For now I think it's okay to keep it here. It's the pre-election silly season and articles for politicians up and down the country are likely to be receiving flurries of... 'sanitising edits' until May. Keri (talk) 13:03, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

The latest COI editor on the article shares initials with a contact noted on the website. Just making a note here in case the coi-editing escalates. Regards, Bazj (talk) 17:56, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi SV. I may be being dim, but I don't know how to find coordinates for a village I've seen on Google maps so I can add it to the UK locations list. It is Sardis, in Burton Community, near the Cleddau (not to be confused with Sardis near Saundersfoot). I'm sure it's simple, but I can't fathom it. Can you help? Thanks, T. Tony Holkham (Talk) 23:03, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Aha. myPostcodefinder gave me some coords. But is there a proper way? Tony Holkham (Talk) 23:16, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

User:Tony Holkham I do not know if there is a proper, or another simple way as I am fortunate to have access to complete coverage of the UK on OS 1:25000 and 1:50000 with a searchable gazetteer which gives Sardis, Carm and Sardis, Pemb, so I just use that. Having found them I can move my pointer which can be made to display the cords in various formats, eg British National Grid and decimal latitude and longitude, which are the two most used. I expect there is a similar facility in Google or Postcodefinder, but I have not had to find it and finding out takes a lot of time. Not the answer perhaps that you were seeking, but maybe another answer is to use collaboration rather than waste your fine editing and creating skills on background techy stuff. I am happy to provide cords to the appropriate level of accuracy, if not at the rate or immediacy you might like. I have real life sometimes? I am also (!) prepared to work on commons cats now that I have started to understand how they work. SovalValtos (talk) 12:41, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for that good advice, and for your offer of look-ups. I won't plague you with requests as most places are well-documented. Sardis led me a merry dance. While I love to look at maps, I don't really understand the technical side. Tony Holkham (Talk) 13:02, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Having lauded the OS, their gazetteer does not include the one near Rosemarket, even as Sardis Cross, just two others. I see there is a Guilford (sic) nearby. SovalValtos (talk) 13:13, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Interesting. Google street view confirms it actually exists (I always check to see whether the village nameplates are there). Guilford seems to be a suburb of Johnston. I will look into that one. Tony Holkham (Talk) 13:25, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Re above, Guilford is not a separate settlement, but part of Johnston. Tony Holkham (Talk) 13:42, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Commons categories

You're doing brilliantly on your Commons categories work, and thanks for your input in the articles I'm creating. The title of the pic of Haslemere Educational Museum made me smile (10 years earlier and it would apply to me) - a great example of how not to title an image! I would never have found it. Tony Holkham (Talk) 11:27, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Using commons

Hoping for guidance as and when. SovalValtos (talk) 20:21, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

I am trying to get going on commons talk, so will move discussion there. SovalValtos (talk) 11:49, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Definition of "minor edits"

You reverted my edits of the Giovanni Bianchini article, saying my summary ("Minor edits") was misleading. I still think nothing substantial was changed by me, and that the summary was justified. JmCor (talk) 03:20, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

User:JmCor I think you contribution was valuable but included was a modification of content by the addition of a second work. Help:Minor edit makes it clear that if this is happening the summary should not be marked as a minor edit. Best wishes SovalValtos (talk) 09:43, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I cancelled your revert with what I hope is a proper summary referring to this discussion. JmCor (talk) 14:53, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks, will do. SovalValtos (talk) 01:48, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

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Petersfield Town F.C.

I have reverted your undo of Petersfield Town F.C., as the change in kits of Petersfield Town F.C. was done to reflect the clubs current kits of the 2015-16 season. You can view the current kits on the Petersfield Town F.C. website photos section, with the away kit shown in the game against Sholing F.C. and the home kit shown in the game against Rushden & Diamonds F.C., I hope this is satisfactory to yourself.

User:StuartGriffin93 I will not pursue this further at present as I have other things to do, but I doubt a photo on a club website would be considered a reliable independent source by some. SovalValtos (talk) 10:56, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Bentworth/Ives

Thanks for fixing that - I'm ashamed to admit it's not a subject I know anything about; you might want to have a look at the George Cecil Ives article ... it made me cringe. SagaciousPhil - Chat 10:38, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Nor I, User:Sagaciousphil, I just read the sources. I thought it might be possible to read the ODNB online without subscription via a library membership, but it looks like one has to visit one's library for access. The Ives article makes one cringe for its poor sourcing if for no other reason. At least Bentworth is improving. SovalValtos (talk) 10:50, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

I thought most UK libraries allowed access via their online resources? If you are in the UK and your own main library doesn't offer the facility, it is possible for any UK resident to register with Manchester City library and obtain access to it's online resources that include ODNB, Who was Who, The Times digital archive, etc. SagaciousPhil - Chat 11:00, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for that User:Sagaciousphil SovalValtos (talk) 11:05, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

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Thank you for that GrammarFascist. Master Hosts do such a fine job being both friendly and knowledgeable that I would not like to be mistaken for one and required to follow up in areas where I lack. On this occasion I thought it worthwhile just to point out the possible COI which regular hosts may not have seen. I hesitated because the editor that raised the original question may have had enough on his plate to discourage him without me adding more. Finally I thought it best to mention COI now rather than him finding out later. Generally I just look and learn, but will never be up to the standard of a Host. SovalValtos (talk) 16:19, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

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I will try to add as much references possible subsequently. Hope this revert doesn't sound rude to you. regardsDevopam (talk) 15:44, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

User:Devopam Thank you for contacting me. I see that another editor has removed many entries again. There seems to be some confusion caused by the list being headed 'Landmarks' when many of the entries are clearly no such thing, rather being notable businesses. In principle I think it better to leave entries off until a cit is found. It would be nice if the article could be written in prose rather than as a list. SovalValtos (talk) 12:09, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

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Vauxhall 30-98

May we discuss your reason for changing my grammar (you said spelling). Eddaido (talk) 06:38, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Please go ahead User:Eddaido. My intention was to improve our article. You could always revert and explain if you think it worse. SovalValtos (talk) 11:36, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

OK, why did you do it? I'm certain it was in good faith, I just need to know why. thanks, Eddaido (talk) 21:23, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for assuming good faith User:Eddaido. As I said above, I did it because I thought it improved the article. I still do. I am not sure which version you prefer, but if the first, perhaps it would be best to take the alternatives to the article talk page, to get consensus? SovalValtos (talk) 03:11, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

What nonsense. Both the alteration and the suggestion. Eddaido (talk) 03:54, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Requested move

Hi, I've started a discussion at Talk:Westfield Derby about moving articles to "Intu" X and I'm only notifying you as you reverted me amending the name,
Anyway thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 23:30, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

User:Davey2010 thank you for informing me; I see the matter has been decided for now. Perhaps when the brand intu is replaced by another in due course, the time will have come to change the Westfield brand to intu! SovalValtos (talk) 09:51, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi SovalValtos, You're welcome :), To be absolutely honest I was 90% it was gonna fail but figured hey if I don't try I won't know, Well I won't do that all again in a hurry! , True, I guess the centres could be bought by other companies, Ah well thanks for reverting me I guess , Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 12:44, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

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		Thanks for helping me with the Worthen's sparrow page! Mark D Worthen PsyD 05:57, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

My pleasure User:Markworthen. I was only searching in Commons with 'Worthen' and as there were a lot of files I did not go down the list of results beyond the painting, so it may well be that there are photos as well. It was fun to find the recording. You could download it as an alarm tune! SovalValtos (talk) 06:05, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

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User:Tony Holkham amongst others. I have cribbed this from another user. I thought it worth passing on. I am sorry if you are already well ahead of me.

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Thanks. I've seen it before, and found it interesting, but very slow (but that's maybe just my browser or connection speed - superslow broadband here). Tony Holkham (Talk) 19:57, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

I had not forgotten about your low speed connection User:Tony Holkham and I think a dated computer in subtraction. I am blessed with fibre and a two year old reasonable, but not fancy, laptop. Wikipedia has the quickest response of any site I use. After the initial connection, which might take two seconds to setup, (cookies?), clicking on a link or backwards/forwards etc achieves the wanted result quick enough to 'satisfy my desire' (When I Take My Morning Promenade-Marie Lloyd). It is far quicker than ebay for example. I am adding 'located' to 'also' on my list of Bete Noire. Thank you for the Evan James Williams article. SovalValtos (talk) 20:59, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

You may have seen the non-Wiki-includable (couldn't think of a better phrase) snippet on Evan James Williams that I put on Gareth Griffiths-Jones's talk page - my mother (as a child) knew Williams (Blackett, too, I believe) and was very impressed by him. EBay works fine for me, but maps are sometimes problematic. My system is rather dated, but still adequate, and it seems as though my exchange will be the very last in the country to receive Superfast Cymru broadband. The countryside and the quiet, however, is compensation enough. I was reverted the other day for deleting 'located'; I let it go. Regards, Tony Holkham (Talk) 21:10, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

It was the 'snippet' that meant most to me. Exquisite. Yes, I am learning to let it go; if our generation is to be 'clods washed away by the sea' so be it. Donne for now. SovalValtos (talk) 21:33, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

WINC (AM)‎ (Part 2)

Not sure why you feel the need to edit-war with me over the size of a image, especially on a Featured Article. Why you feel shrinking an image down to the point that it almost can't be seen is necessary, when no one else had a problem for over a year. But since you had problems making a "sensible reply" a year ago, I'm hoping you can make one now. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:40, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

I was trying to keep a FA that I value as a FA and will continue to do so. It was not the size that was the problem, it was the manner in which it was being done with forcing. I indicated that in my edit summary. Thankfully another editor has been able to suitably correct the problem. SovalValtos (talk) 13:03, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

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Niat Qabool Hayat Kakakhel

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West Mercia Search and Rescue (WMSAR)

Hi Thanks for your help editing this page. Do you know how the correct the page name from West Midlands Search and Rescue (old name) to West Mercia Search and Rescue. I've done it a few times (maybe not the right way, I'm new to Wikipedia editing) but it keeps getting changed back.

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I have never changed the name of a page myself User:Bodhi Sphere but it is easily done. You can best get help from a very useful place [5] where there are some fantastic editors with the patience to help. It is a topic that comes up frequently. I keep watch on the Teahouse page myself as a way of learning about editing. You may also come across or contact User:Tony Holkham who has done much good work on RNLI and other rescue pages. One tip; when adding something to a talk page, but not when doing normal edits, please sign at the end with four tildas. It leaves your user name and the time of your edit. A robot (bot) seems to do it in due course anyway, but the etiquette is to do it oneself. As you may have guessed I am a beginner myself and added the ref to the WMSAR page in a manner that is not the best. I was concerned the page might be lost without any refs. SovalValtos (talk) 00:41, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

 Done The page couldn't be renamed because there was already a page for West Mercia... which redirected to West Midlands..., so I have transferred the whole article to the correct named page and changed the redirect. Tony Holkham (Talk) 01:10, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

I have reverted this change. Copy and paste moves this way are not the appropriate way to move pages on Wikipedia. There is no evidence to suggest that the name has even changed. Suggest starting a requested move in this situation. I'm going to seek page protection in the short term. Jeni ^(talk) 01:27, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

To editor Jeni: Page protection may be an over-reaction - I had no intention of warring over it, but have simply asked you to reconsider in the light of this [6] recent ref. Tony Holkham (Talk) 01:35, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

WMSAR's own website now gives the name as "West Mercia" as does the Charity Commission. Keri (talk) 10:56, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Vandalism

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Replied on your talk page. Please remember to sign your comments. SovalValtos (talk) 01:32, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

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Apologies in advance for not being able to locate an image showing an actual grandmother...

Excuse me for butting in.

As we both probably already know, gadgets are useful but can never substitute for careful examination of the text - as was evident with your perceptive edit here, SovalValtos.

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Crowthorne

Why do you keep editing my post? Crowthorne golf society — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mackycoff (talk • contribs) 19:12, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Because it appears to be an advert. I have reverted your re-addition of this. You are not allowed to advertise on Wikipedia. Also, please do not edit while logged out. It reveals your IP address. Trust me, you don't want to do that. Class455fan1 (talk) 19:35, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Brynberian

I've just created an article on Brynberian but am mystified as to why no red blob has appeared on the map. Can you help? Thanks. Tony Holkham (Talk) 17:19, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Don't worry, I've solved it - no minus sign before longitude. Silly me. T Tony Holkham (Talk) 17:50, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Sorry I was not around to try to help User:Tony Holkham. I know little about info boxes other than that editors try to slip in unsourced info. I like your quiet competence in adding articles. Clovelly had over 1000 views in one day!

The National Library of Scotland have been putting more online, in particular c1900 OS 25inch. [7]. A great joy for me, but likely not for you with your download speed at home. SovalValtos (talk) 20:16, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

No problem you weren't on hand. It made me think it through logically. I love looking at maps and I don't think I'll ever tire of the ones I have, nor the ones I have not yet looked at, rolled up in the loft. Tony Holkham (Talk) 20:53, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

If you have original hard copies pre 1900 User:Tony Holkham, particularly in large scale (6inch 25inch etc), it is worth checking that Kew and NLS have them, as several have been lost. The few 1862 6inch (including Hindhead) that I have are still held at Kew. SovalValtos (talk) 21:24, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

I don't have anything that old - many are pilots' charts given to me (they were destined for the bin). I will find a good home for them eventually. I am well known for throwing nothing away - not always popular with nearest and dearest... Tony Holkham (Talk) 21:35, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Sorry to interfere - now you have two Carl Donnelly sections.. Tony Holkham (Talk) 21:37, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

I am assuming the charts you have are nautical rather than aero-nautical. I have no good idea of the copyright situation but I guess from analogy with the OS that they could be scanable if pre 50s and used in port articles to give a historical perspective and give further custom to the RNLI where shoals have changed! SovalValtos (talk) 22:11, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

I should have explained "pilots". They are (civilian) aeronautical, from an ex-RAF friend. Next time I'm in the loft I will look at them more closely and let you have more details. They're quite big and I think there's pretty wide coverage of the UK. Tony Holkham (Talk) 22:24, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Carl Donnelly

Hi Soval, I was trying to update Carl Donnelly's wikipedia page today with a few credits and news, having noticed it was out of date. I've since been looking through the wikipedia guidelines which I hadn't read yet and will aim to include more references with neutral information on a future edit. Apologies for any novice mistakes I made.

Before a comprehensive update, I do want to remove the current final sentence that has said "citation needed" for over a year but I didn't want to make any more edits that you might revert and give the wrong impression as to my valid attempts to update the page. Should I go ahead and remove it or will you?

Thanks, Haznoz (talk) 21:25, 25 January 2016 (UTC)Haznoz

Thank you for getting in touch Haznoz. No editor will ever be up to date with all the policies and guidelines, we can just do our best and accept reverts when we get it wrong. Do you have any personal connection with Carl Donnelly, which might lead to a WP:COI? Meanwhile I am removing the un-cited sentence. SovalValtos (talk) 21:50, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

the General Secratary and VP of SFI has changed

I edited and updated. Why it is not showing? SusmitI (talk) 05:09, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

I do not know, but did you cite a source? If not you may have been reverted SusmitI. SovalValtos (talk) 05:18, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Witley Park

Re. your recent edit, are you sure that the man referenced did live at Witley Park (the house), rather than somewhere in the area of Witley Park? I've no idea myself but the owner of Witley Park may take exception to the imputation if you are incorrect. KJP1 (talk) 12:37, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

KJP1 The article is about Witley Park the estate. My edit did not mention any particular house. There seem to be several Witley Park houses. At least " 'Witley Park House', a Modern movement home designed by Patrick Gwynne " and "a new house on the site of the old mansion was granted around 2004 and is now completed" are mentioned in the article. A number of other houses are shown on maps. I was going by the Surrey Police source which may or may not be considered reliable. It mentions 'Piers Ravenhill, 43, of Witley Park in Thursley' which was unambiguous as far as I could see, so not a question of me being correct, but rather the source. SovalValtos (talk) 13:11, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Hum. The "estate" is the estate of (i.e. the land surrounding) Witley Park, the house. And the article is about the house and its estate - not any old housing estate in the Thurley area that may, or may not I've no idea, be an area called Witley Park. I would suggest that your addition clearly implies that the man arrested was resident at Witley Park house. If you are fine with it, so be it. Your edit, your call. KJP1 (talk) 14:08, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Another thought. If there is an area of Thurley called Witley Park, the Surrey Police statement would be right. But they didn't reference a particular house and estate, that was done by your post. Looking at the police notice, I see the individual you've named used to live in a bungalow in Ash. That's quite some upward mobility, if you're right. KJP1 (talk) 14:18, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

There seem to be two contiguous areas called Witley Park, one in Witley civil parish and the other in Thursley CP {https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/election-maps/gb/#map]. My post did not reference any particular house as you assert.SovalValtos (talk) 14:53, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Really! When you have added your edit to an article titled Witley Park, which then begins "Witley Park was a 19th-century house and is an estate in Surrey, between Godalming and Haslemere". If you're not referencing the house, your edit doesn't belong in the article. If you are referencing the house, you need to be certain your source is too. And I don't think it is. I really would recommend reverting your edit. KJP1 (talk) 15:06, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Don't know if this helps either way, but there are other properties on the area/estate called "Witley Park" - Lake Cottages, for example, and at least one farm, and not just the main house. Tony Holkham (Talk) 15:24, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Absolutely, the estate is large, was even larger, and has a large number of buildings on it. But the article is about the house, and its estate, that is the original Wright mansion, its replacement, and the very new house that, after a high-profile planning case, has been constructed in the last few years. My issue is that, reading SovalValtos's edit, in the context of the article in which he has placed it, could lead readers to assume that the individual convicted of drug supply was resident at the house which is the subject of the article. And that, I think, could be problematic, unless we are very sure of our facts. KJP1 (talk) 15:46, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps the problem can be circumvented by simply dropping the phrase was a 19th-century house and from the lead, which needs expanding. Tony Holkham (Talk) 16:03, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Why would we remove a useful and relevant fact, in order to retain a, probably irrelevant, and potentially misleading fact? The problem would be better resolved by reverting the edit that has caused the problem. KJP1 (talk) 16:28, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

The reason for my suggestion was that, because (as I understand it from the refs given) there never was a house called Witley Park, just an estate called Witley Park. If this is the case, the lead is wrong. (BTW I suggest this discussion is copied over to the article's talk page and continued there.) Tony Holkham (Talk) 16:45, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

"Witley Park" was the name of the house and of the estate that surrounded it. As can be seen here [8]. It isn't at all uncommon for "Park" to be the term for both the house and the estate, e.g. Grimston Park, Yorkshire, Broome Park, Kent, Gatcombe Park, Gloucestershire, Clytha Park, Monmouthshire, Bletchley Park, Buckinghamshire and many others. KJP1 (talk) 17:25, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

I'm afraid the reference to the boat house doesn't support the contention that the main house was called Witley Park as the boathouse is on the lake, some distance from the main house (see Google maps, "Witley Park", satellite view). But we can't debate this ad infinitum, so I'm going to leave it there. I do think this discussion should appear on Talk:Witley Park, though, as those interested in the architectural WikiProject may like to see it, so I am copying it there. Best wishes, Tony Holkham (Talk) 17:40, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

"HISTORY: This is one of a series of estate buildings built for the financier and speculator, James Whitaker Wright (1846-1904) at Lea Park, later renamed Witley Park. The old house was pulled down and a new one built for him circa 1890 by H Paxton Watson in the neo-Tudor style." (My bold italics). I'll also leave it there. Best regards. KJP1 (talk) 17:50, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Sure. Take as long as you need. But don't forget the issue is not the name of the house, but the wisdom, or otherwise, of your edit. KJP1 (talk) 22:56, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

edit to a local farm

edit to local farm of rye east sussex

hi

i'm a local man from rye and i can see why you say this would be advertising, i must say i have no involvement with this farm but just thought how rye should boast on having a local fruit farm that i have heard supplies local bushiness's with fruit and the fact that they have a hop farm that has been around for centuries. i'm in an understanding the hops make a local beer called harveys, i was going to do more research on the farm and write up more about them as for me to have a local fruit farm that during summer months supplies most of the fruits to restaurants ect, (well they do in camber at least and a few in rye that i know of) and for rye to have a hop farm that creates the hops for harveys which again to me seems to be a local beer which most pubs sell (which again i was going to write up about after more research)

perhaps i wrong in thinking of adding these as a benefit to rye but the way i saw it is if someone looked at rye and then also saw this it could bring more tourists and more reason to visit rye, and further more just more local information on rye.

this was going to be and on going edit of a little history of local farms to rye

look forward to a response or helping me make rye east sussex section a little better — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.168.85.132 (talk) 01:26, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your message. If you can find writing about the history of the farms in depth in national papers or books you may be able to add something about them to Wikipedia. Otherwise your intention of promoting Rye might be better done on the Chamber of Commerce website, or suchlike. Please could you sign messages with four tildes? Good luck.SovalValtos (talk) 08:53, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. I shall see what i can find. I love Wikipedia and just wanted to add something somewhere as i use it so much. It was going to be a little hobby for me. Starting with the local farm and then building onto its hops and beer and then further more to its fruits ect ect. I'm not to fussed to be honest as i just said was going to be a little hobby. if i find stuff then i may do something if not no worries. As to adding it to the Chamber of Commerce website its not my business and that would be advertising for them, That's their job and that can't spill off to an ongoing hobby..... farm to hops to beer ect. If i do a bit of research and speak with them, i may give them advise to add it on there. Maybe this research will turn into a little hobby for me. Anyway thanks. Knowitallnothing (talk) 23:54, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Tramlink

I agree with Class455fan, the accident caused injury to three passengers. It is worth mentioning in the article. Mjroots (talk) 09:04, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Looks like utter trivia to me.Charles (talk) 09:56, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks to User:Jeni less notable and unencyclopedic material has been removed and also spam links.SovalValtos (talk) 12:57, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Someone has to clear up the crap around here! User:Class455fan1 has resorted to being disruptive reverting over this :( Jeni ^(talk) 22:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Agreeing with Mjroots. If the accident caused injury to people on the tram and if the RAIB are investigating, which i think they are, then it should be notable enough for inclusion. Don't see why there is a big issue out of nothing here. Class455fan1 (talk) 13:32, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

I think we should take this to talk:Tramlink and thrash the issue out there. Give me 10 minutes. Mjroots (talk) 13:39, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Ashurst Wood

Wondering why you are editing the "neighbourhood plan section" I added last week? The Group you are talking about isn't an official entity which isn't recognised as being a reviewer of the plan. Looks like this has been removed by the Local goverment officer and you've reversed it he removal as being an opinion when it could be argued that the group is actually a one person campaign DerekWailes (talk) 08:42, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)I am minded to remove all this village plan stuff. Wikipedia is not a platform for local campaigning or news. This is WP:Recentism in my opinion. If anything comes out of the plans and is reliably sourced then it can be added.Charles (talk) 08:59, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

It wasn't intended to be a campaign. the origional article had a reference to an outdated villige plan which is long dead. the neighbourhood plan is an official legal document (even in draft form). http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/inyourarea/neighbourhood/. So, yes, I agree its not suppossed to be a platform for campaigning or news, but would like the article to be factual. If, in your opinion, that means the plan section should go then so be it. My intention was to simply get the article up to date and perhaps I was being a bit hasty if this is considered WP:Recentism. It does look odd in retrospect. Should I remove it or you? - . DerekWailes (talk) 09:13, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

I am about to copy this to the Ashurst Wood talk page and will reply there. SovalValtos (talk) 12:11, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Commons category for Morvil (and Morfil), Pembrokeshire

Can I ask a favour, if you have time? There are photos of Morvil (article just created) and Morfil (a spelling variation, but not to be confused with the Senegalese island Morfil!) on Commons, but no category. Last time I tried to set one up I made a mess and am likely to do so again. Would you do it? The category needs to be Morvil to avoid confusion, but pics of Morfil need to be included. I hope you can help. Thanks. Tony Holkham (Talk) 15:12, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

That's very kind - I appreciate it. I suppose I should learn to do it. Tony Holkham (Talk) 20:28, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

I have added a new commons category "Morvil, Pembrokeshire" and put in it as many images as I can identify that belong. Some of the images in Category:Castlebythe might also belong, particulary those of the abandoned railway, but without individually checking coords which would be time consuming for me, I cannot be sure, so I have not added them. Coords in image files are often not accurate anyway. This file [File:Old Morfil (1) - geograph.org.uk - 650498.jpg] has some text that might be worth your seeing. I have not done anything separate for Morfil, but I have included Morfil images in Morvil. No guarantee I got them all as sometimes adding them individually as I did did not work as expected. Hopefully there are category specialists in commons who upgrade categorisation?SovalValtos (talk) 20:35, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks again. I think I can add pics to a category without causing chaos. I will have a look at Castlebythe. Tony Holkham (Talk) 20:38, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Copyeditor's Barnstar
	For your work on Mercedes F1 W07 Hybrid. I see you've taken time to find and correct mistakes that were made. Keep up the good work! Class455fan1 (talk) 13:37, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

London Buses route 7

Hi Soval, I just wanted to let you know that the books I added do indeed exist. I have a copy of them! See http://www.mdsbooks.co.uk/catalog/product/view/id/10747/s/Red%20All%20Over%204%20-%20London%20Bus%20Review%202014/ The ISBN13 is also there. Many Thanks. Class455fan1 (talk) 13:00, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Class455fan1 So far I have only queried one of the cites, the one containing 'Red All Over, The London Bus Guide of 2014', having found it was faulty was enough to revert the whole addition. As I said in my edit summary [9] a book with that title does not seem to exist. Nothing that you have added suggests that it does. A protestation that you have a copy is not enough. I suggest you read the title of the book again, revert your addition, and be more careful with adding book sources, as many editors and readers will take them on trust. I hope you do not consider the above too harsh. Your edits are valued. SovalValtos (talk) 13:35, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, I may have put the wrong title in. Its "Red All Over, The London Bus Review of 2014", not guide. That may be why you couldn't find it. It definitely exists though. The ISBN is only recognised on sites from where its sold, such as the one above. It is only sold from Transport shops, it seems. I bought mine online from the company itself, and previous editions I bought from the London Transport Museum. I intended to cite all vehicle allocations etc before Monday, before they get removed. I will resume adding citations on other articles after I get some lunch. Class455fan1 (talk) 13:40, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Class455fan1 Given your acceptance that the edits were faulty, please remove them from London Buses route 7 and only replace them with the most carefully checked edits when you have had time so to do. SovalValtos (talk) 13:55, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

 Already done. Ive corrected the title of the book. Hope that helps. It appears that I may have done the same to route 8, as I cut and pasted it and changed the page numbers as they are in my book. I will correct this in a while. The other book I have added though "The London Bus Guide" is correct. Many thanks! Class455fan1 (talk) 13:58, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

I intend to copy this soon to [Talk:London Buses route 7] as I think it should be continued there. SovalValtos (talk) 20:45, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

A brownie for you!

Thank you for pointing out my earlier errors. Sorry for the mix-up. Enjoy this brownie! Class455fan1 (talk) 14:03, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

IAPS

Is it fair to call the recent edit to IAPS' page 'self-sourced puffery'? I'm not sure where else we can reference information from, if not the source itself. My understanding is IAPS schools have to achieve the highest level of inspection report from the Independent Schools Inspectorate, thus validating their claim to represent 'leading' prep schools. Interested to hear your thoughts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antic Anion (talk • contribs) 16:21, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

I assume Antic Anion the edit you are referring to is [10]. The source given in it is the IAPS itself; in their own words 'IAPS is on hand to promote and defend the sector'; [11] in my opinion using the term 'leading' here is promotional and should not be used in Wikipedia's voice. IAPS is one of several associations represented by the Independent Schools Council (also a promotional body) all of whose 1200 schools are said to be 'ranked among the best in the world', by the ISC itself [12]. It looks like all the schools are leaders and none are followers!

IAPS looks to be sufficiently reputable to use as a source for certain simple facts. It is not a source that should be used instead of WP:RS. If a reliable source cannot be found, then the material should be omitted. SovalValtos (talk) 19:53, 1 March 2016 (UTC)SovalValtos (talk) 19:55, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Antony Green

This article by Antony Green (Australia's foremost psephologist) from http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/ despite being labelled a "blog" is a WP:RS. Articles from http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/ have widely been used as WP:RS uncountable times and is universally accepted as a clear WP:RS in Australia. If you have an issue using articles from http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/ as WP:RS then I highly suggest you raise your concern at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian politics. Until you have consensus otherwise, the current and very long term consensus for these articles is that they are WP:RS, which I suggest you familiarise yourself with, particularly "Some news outlets host interactive columns they call blogs, and these may be acceptable as sources so long as the writers are professional journalists or are professionals in the field on which they write and the blog is subject to the news outlet's full editorial control". Timeshift (talk) 18:45, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Timeshift for your input and your helpful suggestions. I accept that some material originating from ABC and Green can be used as a reliable source, not just in Australia but on Wikipedia all over. SovalValtos (talk) 12:42, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Blocked and Banned

You should not have edited on List of bus routes in Singapore twice that you want to revert it again. You don't live in Singapore. You're now blocked. IP user from Profile101. Happy Ending. Lalalallalalalalalaallalalalalalala. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.66.229.230 (talk) 12:20, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Sheila Stewart: A Home from Home

Thanks for your note about the webpage. My first effort!

This book has been out of print for some time and is not easy to find a copy. I tracked one down at a library at the University of Michigan and asked for a inter-library loan. Lo and behold! Just today I got a photocopy of the book!! Sadly, the four photographs did not make it, but a couple are in the Daily Telegraph obit. I guess I ought to scan the photocopies. Let me know if you cannot find a copy of the real book. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suredev (talk • contribs) 20:23, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

You have been braver than me Suredev creating a new article. I concentrate on things other than article creation. I found that the book was scarce. I will not request a library copy as at present I am unlikely to find time to read it in the 2 weeks they allow. On talk pages one needs to sign at the end of one's comment with four tildes (~). SovalValtos (talk) 21:05, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

It took a long time to get there! I let it stew in my page for months! 2604:6000:1003:C13A:979C:E002:1B34:B081 (talk) 00:51, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Clunderwen railway station

Re Clunderwen railway station, are staggered platforms common, do you know? I've never seen this layout in a station before (not that I often travel by rail). If it's unusual, perhaps it's worthy of mention in the article. Tony Holkham (Talk) 01:43, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Not something I have thought about before. There are plenty of Google results for 'Staggered platforms' but a quick look gave no firm answer as to why Clunderwen has them. Probably not for a level crossing as the c1905 six inch map shows the bridge. The goods yard to the northwest may well have squeezed the space for that platform. To answer your question it looks likely they are not uncommon. SovalValtos (talk) 06:01, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

UK Wikimeet survey results

Hello. This is a quick note to let you know that the results of the UK wikimeet survey have now been posted on Meta at m:UK Wikimeet survey 2015. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:05, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Ext link on RAF Culmhead

Hi, I noticed your edit on RAF Culmhead removing the ext link to The SW Airfields Trust info on the site with an edit summary of "Removing linkspam per WP:EL". I've put it back as I think it provides useful additional information, from a reputable charity, which we don't have in the article & don't think it qualifies as linkspam. Happy to discuss on talk if you disagree.— Rod ^talk 21:26, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for getting in touch Rod. I do not feel sufficiently strongly about this to put energy into arguing the point so will accept your revert, but what does the EL contain that cannot be integrated into the article, and why should it being by a charity have an effect? Another editor may want to stick closer to the guidelines and delete it again; we shall see. There are higher priorities for both of us to work on. SovalValtos (talk) 09:21, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Pont Treseli

Thanks for your kind attention to detail on Pont Treseli - I wonder if I will ever get it right! Tony Holkham (Talk) 22:10, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

My pleasure. A benefit of a collaborative work. Keep it coming!. SovalValtos (talk) 22:22, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Mizuno Corporation

I do not understand your undoing of the Mizuno Corporation page with the comment "wrong format". Please explain. Whoisjohngalt (talk) 16:15, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

The image did not show as it was not formatted correctly.SovalValtos (talk) 16:21, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Historic Wales site

Did you ever manage to figure out how to get a url from this site? Others have been asking about this (e.g. see Talk:Grade I listed buildings in Neath Port Talbot). It would be great if you did, then we wouldn't have to rely so heavily on British Listed Buildings. Tony Holkham (Talk) 11:19, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

I am having problems with my phone line and am using a wifi. I cannot help other than to say that using a search engine on a site seems not to help. The actual listing document for a building may be OK. Try the teahouse. SovalValtos (talk) 12:49, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Thought wifi depended on a phone line, which shows how much I know! Tony Holkham (Talk) 12:59, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Some answers at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Wales#Historic_Wales_site. Tony Holkham (Talk) 20:03, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

editing the toseland, cambridgeshire

I just wanted to know what were your plans with this specific wikipedia article. Recently I have been editing the Toseland, Cambridgeshire wikipedia article as part of my uiversity assignment and before I can add information to the article it keeps being removed by you. In regards of the my recent edit (The geography of Toseland) I was about to cite the information I obtained but I could not due to that information being deleted. If you can please reply back that would ve beneficial for both of us as I can see that there is a misunderstanding that needs to be cleared up. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billo-Conteh.M (talk • contribs) 11:06, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

User:Billo-Conteh.M I trust you are enjoying your course. It is best to cite information when adding it rather than planning to do so later, particularly when as I pointed out there is no obvious relevance to Toseland. The restaurants you mentioned, Indian Rajdouth and the The Horseshoe Inn are in other settlements. If you can find sources for there being hotels in the high street it might be OK to add them, but remember Wikipedia is not a shopping guide WP:NOTGUIDE. Your instructors should be able to help you further. Please sign your edits in talk pages with four tildes. Best wishes. SovalValtos (talk) 11:50, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Editing articles with talk page education assignment banners

re: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Program:University_of_Portsmouth/Applied_Human_Geography_(Spring_2016)

Hi SovalValtos. Thank-you for the help you have been giving some of our students on their Wikipedia parish article assignments. Please can we request that this week you make comments and suggestions to them on how to improve their article rather than removing things completely as they are currently trying to finalize their work in order to hand in the assignments due in this Monday (25th April). Thank-you very much, Paula vob 16:20, 21 April 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paula vob (talk • contribs)

Humphrey Southall. Hi Paula vob I see that you are an instructor on the course. Please sign your comments with four tildes on talk pages. I am aware of having edited two of the pages that your students are also editing. Toseland, Cambridgeshire and Belstead, editors User:Billo-Conteh.M and User:Annabelhinds respectively. I do not consider them to be "their" articles rather Wikipedia articles and as such the priority is to improve the articles rather than leave them in a particular faulty state to aid assignments. User:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi and User:CAPTAIN RAJU have IMO justifiably removed material as well. The UoP education program page [[13]] states 'the article should be complete, and open to comment and revision by other Wikipedians, by the end of March'. That is what has been happening, albeit with most of the comments being in edit summaries rather than in talk. If you would prefer others not to edit maybe Wikipedia is not the place for the assignment? Having said that I will keep your request in mind but will continue to delete material which makes articles worse. SovalValtos (talk) 21:46, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Humphrey Southall. Hi SovalValtos Thank-you. Apologies my last post was unsigned, I thought I had typed the 4 tildes in. I only meant "their" article in the sense that each of them is assigned a different one to work on with the intention of improving stub articles which have received very little or no attention from other Wikipedia editors in the preceding twelve months. We do actively encourage them to respond to other Wikipedia editors who also edit the articles they have been assigned and several of them have been trying to. Generally existing Wikipedia editors, including yourself, have been very helpful in their edits and suggestions for improving material the students have added in order to make the overall articles better. With regards. Paula vob 08:32, 22 April 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paula vob (talk • contribs)

New Buckenham

Dear Soval, as a point of general interest could you let everybody know what are your credential for knowing anything about New Buckenham, thanks. Observer900 (talk) 08:45, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Observer900 To answer your request, I read sources.

Please add new comments to talk pages at the bottom of the page, in a new section if needed. Use the 'New section' tab to create a new section. Please read the Welcome section at the top of your talk page [[14]] and follow and read the links below; they might well be of assistance to you. SovalValtos (talk) 11:02, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

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• You now see a warning message on pages that try to use {{DISPLAYTITLE}} but it doesn't work because it doesn't match the page's actual title. [36]

Problems

• Commons had problems with server lag. This meant that it took longer time for files to turn up in categories. [37]

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 24 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 25 May. It will be on all wikis from 26 May (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on May 24 at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• All HTTP access to Wikimedia sites and APIs will stop working. Some bots still use HTTP. They will need to use HTTPS instead. This will happen on June 12. [38]

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18:40, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Russian Guild of Film Critics Awards 2000

• Why haven't you deleted the page but left the carcass?
• All the pages from the category are similar, either to be deleted or corrected.Xx236 (talk) 09:32, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your input User:Xx236. Should this not be on the talk page [39]? As far as I know I do not have the authority to delete pages even if I wanted to do so. Please clarify your other points.SovalValtos (talk) 10:35, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

You may ask for the deletion rather than almost blank.Xx236 (talk) 10:37, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

I have informed Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film/Soviet and post-Soviet cinema task force.Xx236 (talk) 10:38, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-22

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• There is now a standard way to get the target of a redirect page from a Lua module. [40]

Problems

• A new way to handle rollback was introduced. It broke some tools and scripts and was reverted. This will be re-planned after review. [41][42]
• CentralNotice didn't work in some older browsers. This has now been fixed. [43]

Changes this week

• When you edit a file or category page with the visual editor the rest of the page will be shown in its normal place. [44]
• The Translate extension will get an edit summary field. [45]
• A change to the <charinsert> feature could break some user scripts. Contact Bawolff if the "click to insert special characters" links in the edit window break on your wiki. [46][47]
• Elasticsearch will be upgraded on Wikimedia wikis this week. This should not affect you, but if you have problems with the search function this is probably the reason. [48]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 31 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 1 June. It will be on all wikis from 2 June (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 31 May at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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16:19, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-23

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• MathML/SVG is now the default <math> rendering mode on Wikimedia projects. [49][50]

Changes this week

• The history page can tell you if a page on your watchlist was updated since you last visited it. This now works the same way in Vector as in other skins. The change broke local designs on some wikis. This will be fixed this week. [51]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 June. It will be on all wikis from 9 June (calendar).

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20:51, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-24

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Wikimedia wikis now use AuthManager. If you have new problems related to logging in or being logged in, report them. [52]
• Visiting Special:Notifications doesn't automatically mark notifications as read anymore. You can go between read, unread or all notifications on Special:Notifications. Notifications on Special:Notifications are grouped by day. You can mark every daily group as read individually. Notifications are displayed by groups of 50 on Special:Notifications and you can find former notifications by using navigation arrows. [53][54][55][56]

Changes this week

• You can filter user contributions to hide minor edits. [57]
• It will be easier to edit galleries with the visual editor. [58]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 14 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 15 June. It will be on all wikis from 16 June (calendar).

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18:41, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Elder Dempster Lines: Citation needed?

In Elder Dempster Lines you have put a citation needed, when the following sentence identifies two cases with references. I'm not quite sure what more you want. However, I have added some more cases, citations and text references. Arrivisto (talk) 15:47, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

talk. The request was for a citation for the source that the cases are an 'important part' of common law rather than just a part of common law, or now since your change, that the qualification 'significant' is justified. SovalValtos (talk) 16:34, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

London Buses route 9

Apologies. Initially I was slightly pissed off as I thought you reverted just because you thought it was a basketball team and didnt look at the source, but then I discovered the link to the page I added was for a basketball team, not the bus company itself (i thought it would redirect to London United Busways). Hope you are doing well. -- Class455fan1 (talk) 06:16, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. SovalValtos (talk) 13:58, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-25

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Notifications were not always marked as read when you followed a link from an email notification. This will now happen. [59]

Changes this week

• The list of other languages an article is available in will be shorter on small Wikipedias and non-Wikipedia projects. This is to make it easier to find the most relevant languages for each user. You will still be able to see the other languages. [60][61]
• Alerts (the red badge) will not be automatically marked as read when you open the Notifications popup. [62]
• When you get several thanks you can see them as one notification. This is instead of one notification for each thanks. [63]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 21 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 22 June. It will be on all wikis from 23 June (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topic this week is develop Markdown support strategy for MediaWiki. The meeting will be on 22 June at 21:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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19:14, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-26

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• The ORES service has now moved to a new location. This should make it easier to use ORES. The ORES review service is now available as a beta feature on Wikidata and Persian Wikipedia. ORES is an artificial intelligence system for Wikimedia wikis to help editors. [64]
• The order of wikis in collapsed cross-wiki notifications was different than when the list was expanded. This is now fixed. [65]
• A new category for tracking pages with math errors was added: Category:Pages with math errors. [66]

Problems

• The Wikimedia Etherpad crashed on June 23. Some edits done that day have been lost. They can be found at etherpad-restore.wikimedia.org for another few days. [67][68]

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 28 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 29 June. It will be on all wikis from 30 June (calendar).
• The way to mark notifications as read or unread will be changed to be more clear. [69]

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 28 June at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• The Collaboration team at the Wikimedia Foundation will look at developing better tools for edit review. This is because research suggests we scare away newcomers who want to help. [70]
• An e-mail from the Editing Department explains the technical work that is planned and being researched for the future. Items include better wikitext and visual editing, prompts for edits, language improvements, annotations, and meta-data separation. [71]
• The sorting of Notifications into the two fly-out menus is going to change on July 5 to 7. Bundled notifications should be easier to explore and mark as read individually. [72][73][74]
• From 29 June git.wikimedia.org (running Gitblit) will redirect all requests to Phabricator. The vast majority of requests should be correctly redirected. [75]
• Catalan and Polish Wikipedias will have Wikidata descriptions added to articles in the mobile view by default. This is currently a beta option for the mobile versions. This might come to other wikis later. [76]

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15:42, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

You've spent a lot of time removing unreliable info from London General. Take a break from it and enjoy this coffee as a reward for your efforts! Class455fan1 (talk) 15:50, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Barista! Revitalised to carry on. Plenty more uses of unreliable sources need removing. The problem can be to find reliable sources for the same content.SovalValtos (talk) 08:12, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Worth School

Hi Soval!

I do not completely understand why you have reverted my last edit alleging it was unsourced when it was actually sourced (or at least most of it). Maybe we should come to an agreement and remove the unsourced material but keep whatever is sourced. Most of it has been there some time already without being changed, which makes me think it's removal wasn't necessary. Why this sudden attitude of removing content that keeps the article from being a stub? --CreiterAdam45z (talk) 22:23, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

CreiterAdam45z I will not be able to answer you for a few days, but meanwhile you may like to look at a school Featured Article such as Stuyvesant High School for inspiration. I have not had time to study it yet myself! SovalValtos (talk) 05:29, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

CreiterAdam45z thank you for your queries. As you say, some of what you replaced was unsourced, and it had had a request for a citation attached. Please supply a source rather than replace material that has a citation request. It is not for other editors to unpick the good from the bad parts of your edit. Avoiding an article being a stub is not an end in itself. Including non notable or unencyclopedic material is not an improvement. Many articles have content for a long time that should be removed. It is not an argument for keeping it. User:John may wish to explain about their removal of nn material. I think this exchange should be copied to the Worth School page, but I am not sure how it is best done. Best wishesSovalValtos (talk) 21:47, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Mikhail Semyonovich Vorontsov

Mikhail Semyonovich Vorontsov never was a Prince. Russian have ranks Prince, Knyaz, Graf, e.t.c. It is why better do not combine Prince and Knyaz - it is various possibilities and resposibilities. The Prince can be and Knyaz at the same time due to father (King or Tsar) can present any big region to own son, the big territory which will coincide the Knyaz renk and can be bigger if he is the Prince also. And not every Knyaz can be a Prince. Prince on Russian is the son of the Tsar or King. Mikhail Semyonovich Vorontsov never was a son of the Tsar or King. Vorontsov family are not the Tsat or King family. It is why he may not be a Prince. It is big mistake to call give the Prince rank to Vorontsov.

Vorontsov leaved Odessa in 1844 and joined Russian Army in Caucas mountains in 1845. He was a Graf before 1844 and he became a Knyaz from 1845. He back in Odessa in 1856 (or 1855) and was not a General-Governor in the last years, and soon died in 1856. When I read that somebody in Odessa had protection from the Vorontsov before 1845 it is means that protection was fron the Graf Vorontsov and not from the Knyaz Vorontsov.Грищук ЮН (talk) 05:55, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-27

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• A daily email summary of notifications could be sent even when there were no notifications from the wiki. Now no email will be sent if there is no activity. [77]

Changes this week

• The "⧼citoid-citefromidtool-title⧽" button in the visual editor's toolbar will move into the "Insert" menu except for Wikipedias, Wikibookses and Wikiversities. This is to make it less prominent on wikis that don't use it as much. [78]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 5 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 6 July. It will be on all wikis from 7 July (calendar).

Meetings

• You can take part in the next office hour for Wikidata on IRC on July 8 at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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19:45, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-28

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• A new image scaler fixed a number of bugs for showing SVG files. Some new problems turned up. [79][80][81]
• Notifications are grouped by types. They are now counted by number of notifications and not by unread groups. That change may increase the number of notifications displayed. The earlier way of counting was often incorrect. Unread notifications will also be displayed first. [82][83][84]
• Special:Notifications now has a maximum width for the notifications list on desktop computers. This allows long titles and descriptions to be cut properly. Notifications are now also better parsed. [85][86][87]

Problems

• On 5 July Wikimedia Commons had problems and could not be edited for 20 minutes. For a short while after that the recent changes log and some gadgets were not working properly. It affected administrative actions on other projects too. [88]
• Users who have multiple unread notifications can mark them as read by visiting Special:Notifications page on their wiki.

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 12 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 13 July. It will be on all wikis from 14 July (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 12 July at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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15:15, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-29

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Due to the rollback, new sorting of Notifications on the Fly-Out Menus has been deployed with a delay. [89]
• Due to the rollback, the daily special patch deployment process has been changed. [90]
• In notifications, "Messages" are now called "Notices". [91]

Problems

• On July 12 all wikis were rolled back to MediaWiki 1.28.0-wmf.8 due to a problem in the log-in system. [92][93]

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 19 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 20 July. It will be on all wikis from 21 July (calendar).
• Special:Log now has a help link. [94]
• The RevisionSlider can be tested on the beta cluster. From 22 July, it will be available as a beta feature at: German Wikipedia, Arabic Wikipedia, Hebrew Wikipedia

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 19 July at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
• You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topic this week is "Devise plan for a cross-wiki watchlist back-end". The meeting will be on 20 July at 21:00 (UTC). See how to join. [95]

Future changes

• User scripts and bots can no longer use http:// to edit wiki pages. [96][97]
• Gerrit is going to be updated. Developers are invited to test it. [98]

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12:01, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-30

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Interactive maps have been enabled for Meta wiki and the Catalan, Hebrew, and Macedonian Wikipedias. Learn how to add interactive maps to wiki pages.
• Last week's rollback is now documented. [99]

Problems

• Sometimes, the visual editor required saving twice. That problem is now fixed. [100]

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 26 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 27 July. It will be on all wikis from 28 July (calendar).
• It is now possible to mark all Notifications as read on Special:Notifications, by clicking on the cog icon. [101]
• Wikipedia search will now detect the language of your search if 2 or fewer results are found. It will then show results from the matching language Wikipedia, if any relevant article exists. It will start to roll out in 5 languages. [102]

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 26 July at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
• You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topic this week is "an extension that implements an authenticated key-value store". The meeting will be on 27 July at 21:00 (UTC). See how to join. [103]

Future changes

• The current icon for Notifications "Notices" (in English "Notices") will be changed from a bubble-speech icon to a tray icon for consistency. [104]
• Special:Notifications page code will be changed to be more Mobile friendly. [105]

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19:54, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-31

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• A prototype for structured data on Commons is available now. [106]
• The RevisionSlider beta feature can now be tested on mediawiki.org, German Wikipedia, Arabic Wikipedia and Hebrew Wikipedia.

Problems

• Renamed users on some wikis were not connected to their account on other wikis between 20 July and 21 July. This has been fixed. [107]

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 2 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 3 August. It will be on all wikis from 4 August (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 2 August at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
• The next CREDIT showcase will be on 3 August at 18:00 (UTC). This is to present and comment on new gadgets, small projects and works in progress. See how to join.
• You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topic this week is "notifications in core". The meeting will be on 3 August at 21:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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21:48, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Thanks for your help in tidying up the merges - It's much appreciated :), Happy Editing, –Davey2010Talk 17:35, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

My pleasure.SovalValtos (talk) 18:55, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-32

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• In notifications, the icon for Notices has been changed from a speech-bubble icon () to a tray icon () for consistency. The Alerts icon has been redesigned too. The colors have been changed for accessibility. [108]

Problems

• If you use the wikEd gadget, changes you made were not kept when you switched from the wikitext editor to the visual editor while you were editing. This has now been fixed. [109]

Changes this week

• Wikimedia search will now ignore question marks at the end of the sentences or words you use when you search. Until now the question mark was just a wildcard. [110]
• On Commons, UploadWizard will now be available on mobile, rather than just the old upload form. This should reduce the workload for the community in reviewing images. [111]
• When you edit with the visual editor a puzzle symbol tells you there is an invisible template in the article. It will now mention the name of the template. [112]
• The button to read something in another language will move for mobile users. This will happen on 9 August. [113]
• When someone mentions you and links to your user page you get a notification. You will now get a notification when you mention yourself this way. [114]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 9 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 10 August. It will be on all wikis from 11 August (calendar).
• A message on Notifications panel will invite users to try Special:Notifications page. [115]

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on August 9 at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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15:41, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Bridport Info Box Image Outcome

Thanks for your settling of the 'debate', although it ended in the way I didn't expect it to go. Thank You.

		The Mediator Barnstar
		Awarded for mediating the Bridport Info Box Image debate and settling it. MajesticEli (talk) 09:51, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-33

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• Last week Tech News announced you will get a notification when you mention yourself the same way as if someone else had mentioned you. This caused some problems and will happen later instead. [116]
• Creating and editing links to sections on other pages on the wiki now works again in the visual editor. [117]
• For some users, cross-wiki notifications haven't been working properly. The count has been wrong when only cross-wiki notifications were present. The cross-wiki bundle has been showing only the names of wikis and not the actual notifications. This will be fixed soon. [118][119]

Changes this week

• The login session when you choose "Keep me logged in" will now last a year. Previously it was 30 days. This will happen on August 16. [120]
• Some abuse filters will have to be updated during the week. This is because a bug will be fixed. [121]
• In compact language links, two new kinds of languages will be shown in the shorter language list: Languages that are used in the article's text, and languages where the article has a badge like "featured article" or "good article". [122][123]
• The visual editor will be available by default for logged-out editors on Wikipedias that use the Arabic script. It is already default for logged-in editors. [124]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from August 16. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from August 17. It will be on all wikis from August 18 (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on August 16 at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• Starting the week of August 22 there will be three software deployment windows. They will be at 13:00, 18:00, and 23:00 UTC. This is to have more times when software of the wikis can be updated and make it easier for developers in different parts of the world. [125]

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19:37, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-34

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• The ORES review tool is now available on Special:Contributions as a beta feature. It can make it easier to find contributions that are probably damaging the wikis. The ORES review tool is available on Wikidata and Persian, Polish, Portuguese, Dutch, Turkish and Russian Wikipedia. [126]
• The norm and ccnorm functions have been updated to make it easier to write abuse filters. This also affects the TitleBlacklist extension. You don't have to transform "I" and "L" to "1", "O" to "0" and "S" to "5" anymore. [127]
• The old pageview data in the "pagecounts-raw" and "pagecounts-all-sites" files is no longer being updated. You can find the new pageview data here. This happened on August 5. [128]

Problems

• Some big image files could not be thumbnailed. This has now been fixed. [129]
• When you moved a page over a redirect it would delete the redirect without saving it in the logs. This has now been fixed. [130]

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 23 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 24 August. It will be on all wikis from 25 August (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 23 August at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• Sometimes when you mention another user they don't get a notification. You will be able to get a notification when you successfully sent out a mention to someone or be told if they did not get a notification. This will be opt-in. You can test this on the test wiki. [131][132]
• How you add text after an edit conflict might work in a different way in the future. You can test the prototype. [133]

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21:18, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-35

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Wikimedia mobile sites now don't load images if the user doesn't see them. This is to save mobile data and make the pages load faster. [134]
• When you edit a table with the visual editor, pressing Tab in the last cell of a row will take you to the first cell in the next row. Pressing Shift and Tab in the first cell of a row will take you to the last cell in the previous row. [135]

Changes this week

• The name of the "Save page" button will change. The button will say "Publish page" when you create a new page. It will say "Publish changes" when you change an existing page. [136][137]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 30 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 31 August. It will be on all wikis from 1 September (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 30 August at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
• You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topic this week is "RfC: image and oldimage tables". The meeting will be on 31 August at 21:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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16:04, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Corporate career of Mohommed Ali Shah

Hello.

Early you removed some stuff from Corporate career of Mohommed Ali Shah while I added a link in its support. If you read properly the write up of the link I have added, you will surely understand that it's a true. By the way I added it again and hope you will not remove it again. --Shivam Roy (talk) 13:58, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

One problem User:Shivamroy22 is that you are trying to use as a source www.amunetwork.com, which acknowledges its purpose is promotion; on the page [138] saying "Our mission is to make a positive difference in the career and lives of Aligarh Muslim University Students and Alumni of AMU." Using a source like that does not help anyone know what it supposed to support is true. I see that editor User:Charlesdrakew has also warned you about the quality of the 'source' The content you have added should be removed. Please do so yourself.SovalValtos (talk) 20:00, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Okay, I removed that link and added another. You can check it on Mohommed Ali Shah's corporate career. I think It's a suitable link for it. Thanks. --Shivam Roy (talk) 11:52, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

I have removed further uses of the same 'source' that were left.SovalValtos (talk) 13:06, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	I made a good edit on Biratnagar but declined by you. May I know the reason? Freeboyankit (talk) 07:01, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Freeboyankit the reason for removing the content you added was the reason I gave in my edit summary. It was a WP:COPYVIO. Please do not replace it.SovalValtos (talk) 07:35, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-36

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Word-level diffs now work in longer paragraphs. [139]
• Interactive maps now have a frame by default. This is to make them look like other multimedia objects. This affects all Wikivoyages, the Catalan, Hebrew, Macedonian Wikipedias and Meta. [140]
• When you preview the MediaWiki:Captcha-ip-whitelist page it will show a validation output of the listed IP addresses instead of the list of addresses only. This can help you to identify if your whitelist rules will work or not. [141]

Changes this week

• You will be able to use <maplink> on all Wikipedias. It creates a link to a full screen map. [142][143]
• Sometimes when you mention another user they don't get a notification. You will be able to get a notification when you successfully send out a mention to someone or be told if they did not get a notification. This will be opt-in. [144][145]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 September. It will be on all wikis from 8 September (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 6 September at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• The CheckUser extension could work differently in the future. There is a Request for Comments to figure out how. [146]

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17:12, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Combining two maps

Hi SV, I'm wondering if you can help. Linguistic Demographer produced the maps for Llanfyrnach Rural District and St Dogmells Rural District. What we need, for Cemaes Rural District, is a combination of the two but I have no idea how to go about it. I asked LD for help but then realised he has been inactive since 2010. Can you help? Best wishes, Tony Holkham (Talk) 11:59, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

User talk:Tony Holkham It is not something I have done before, so I thought I would try to see what User:LinguisticDemographer had done to see if I could copy the process. On the page of his uploads [147] I found [148] and [149]. There may be more. One of them might be what you are looking for. If you are searching note the additional spellings he uses: Cemais and Kemes. You will have to check to see what areas they refer to and if they correspond with your sourced text. I might be able to combine images if needed, but realistically it would be better to look elsewhere. I once came across a Wikipedia page which was for accessing editors who like manipulating images. I cannot remember where.SovalValtos (talk) 19:04, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks very much for looking this up. Unfortunately the uploads list (something I didn't know before) does not have the map I want, but I will ask at the Teahouse to see whether there are any map-combiners out there. If not, the two maps I have put in the article may have to do. Thanks agin. Tony Holkham (Talk) 20:35, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

User talk:Tony Holkham This is the place I was trying to remember [150]. I now see there is a tab for maps [151].SovalValtos (talk) 22:24, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Yes, thanks, the Teahouse pointed me there, and I was about to tell you. But there may be a wait for someone to help as they seem to have quite a backlog. T Tony Holkham (Talk) 22:30, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-37

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• The Wikimedia Commons app for Android can now show nearby places that need photos. [152]
• <maplink> and <mapframe> can now use geodata from Open Street Map if Open Street Map has defined a region and given it an ID in Wikidata. You can use this to draw on the map and add information. [153][154]

Changes this week

• The RevisionSlider will be available as a beta feature on all wikis from 13 September. This will make it easier to navigate between diffs in the page history. [155]
• A new user right will allow most users to change the content model of pages. [156][157]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 13 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 14 September. It will be on all wikis from 15 September (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 13 September at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• When you search on the Wikimedia wikis in the future you could see results from sister projects in your language. You can read more and discuss how this could work.

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18:04, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-38

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Problems

• Last week's MediaWiki update was rolled back because of bugs. Creating new accounts did not work between 15 September 19:10 UTC and 16 September 12:50 UTC. [158][159]

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will hopefully be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 20 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 21 September. It will be on all wikis from 22 September (calendar). This is the version that was meant to go out last week.

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 20 September at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
• You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topic this week is multi-content revisions. The meeting will be on 21 September at 21:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• Wikidata will start working on adding support for Wiktionary. The Wikidata development team is now taking one last look at the development plan. [160]

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22:09, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-39

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• If your wiki wants numerical sorting in categories you can request it after a community decision. See how to request it. [161]
• When you edit text and mention a new username they are notified if you add your signature. Before this only happened under certain conditions. [162]
• Users are notified if they are mentioned in a section where you add your own signature even if you edit more than one section. Before, users were not notified if you edited more than one section in one edit. [163]

Problems

• The MediaWiki version that was supposed to come to the wikis two weeks ago was put on hold again because of new problems. The MediaWiki version after it is now on all wikis. [164][165]

Changes this week

• There will be no new MediaWiki version this week. [166]

Meetings

• You can join the next office hour with the Wikidata team. The meeting will be on September 27 at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• Abandoned tools on Tool Labs could be taken over by other developers. There is a new discussion on Meta about this. It will be discussed until 12 October and then voted on. [167]

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18:07, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-40

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 4 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 5 October. It will be on all wikis from 6 October (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 4 October at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• Tidy will be replaced. Instead the HTML 5 parsing algorithm will be used to clean up bad HTML in wikitext. This would cause problems on a number of wikis. They need to be fixed first. [168]

• <slippymap> will not work on Wikivoyage after 24 October. You should use <mapframe> instead. If you need help to fix this before 24 October you should ask for it as soon as possible. [169]

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21:30, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-41

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Recent changes

• You can show Special:RecentChanges on a page by using {{Special:RecentChanges}}. You can now use tag filters by using {{Special:RecentChanges/tagfilter=tagname}}. [170]
• The notification badge is coloured if you have notifications. When you check the notification the badge will now turn grey on all wikis instead of just the local one. [171]
• Colours used in the Wikimedia wikis' main interface changed slightly. This is to make them easier to see for readers and editors with reduced eyesight. [172]

Changes this week

• Hidden HTML comments will be more visible when you edit with the visual editor. <!-- You write hidden HTML comments like this. --> [173]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 11 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 12 October. It will be on all wikis from 13 October (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 11 October at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
• You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topics this week is CREDITS files. The meeting will be on 12 October at 21:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• Language converter syntax will soon no longer work inside external links. Wikitext like http://-{zh-cn:foo.com; zh-hk:bar.com; zh-tw:baz.com}- must be replaced. You will have to write -{zh-cn: http://foo.com ; zh-hk: http://bar.com ; zh-tw:http://baz.com }- instead. This only affects languages with Language Converter enabled. Examples of such languages are Chinese and Serbian. [174]

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20:30, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Kohat notability

Hi there, this reversion doesn't make much sense to me. If you dispute that one or more of the people listed are from Kohat on the basis that nothing in those articles mention Kohat in any sourced way, it would be reasonable either to remove those entries, or to flag the individual entries with {{cn|reason=Please cite subject's relationship to Kohat.}} or similar. But given that the section heading is "notable people", the citation request ambiguously suggests that we want sources that prove they're notable. As I said in my edit summary (which you misinterpreted as me suggesting that Wikipedia is a reliable source) if they have an article, they are presumably notable. We are not required to prove that every link is notable. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 08:32, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Cyphoidbomb for coming here. It is nice to come across others improving these settlement articles which are prone to problems. I am quite new to it. I mention User:Finnusertop as they added the hatnote [175]; reasonably IMHO. I replaced the hatnote as I thought that you had not checked to see if the problems highlighted by it had been addressed. The onus for checking that removal of a hatnote is justified is with the remover. I checked the first name in the list 'Syed Adam Banoori' and found that the wikilink was not to an article on him but just a section; further there was no mention of Kohat. I think that strictly a notable person should have their connection with a settlement sourced within the settlement article, either in the body of the article, or if not there, in the 'Notable People' section itself. Practically I do not ask for cites if the connection is demonstrated in the person's article. At that point I replaced the hatnote without doing the work the hatnote wanted. What I wanted to put in my edit summary was truncated; perhaps I should have gone straight to talk. Best wishes.SovalValtos (talk) 10:19, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb and SovalValtos: each article needs to be able to stand alone as a self-contained unit. If you want to say that X, Y, and Z are from Kohat in the article Kohat, then references that verify this need to be present in that article. (see Wikipedia:Summary style#References) – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 14:19, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-42

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Recent changes

• There is a new newsletter from the Collaboration team at the Wikimedia Foundation. It will have more details about for example Flow and notifications. You can read the first issue.

Problems

• Some users got a warning about Wikipedia's security certificate last week. This was because of a problem GlobalSign had. This has now been fixed. Only a small number of users got the warning. [176]
• Editors couldn't edit semi-protected pages in the Wikipedia app for Android. This has now been fixed in the beta version. [177]

Changes this week

• There will be no new MediaWiki version this week. [178]

Future changes

• The Editing Department are working on a new wikitext editor. It will have tools that are in the visual editor but not in the wikitext editor today. You can read more about this. This is an early plan and things can change. The old wikitext editor will still exist.

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16:43, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Notables

Dear Sir,

I hope you are fine and good, i just want to say that,

All are from books, I have checked many sources.

Please read history of the banoori family,

All notables have links in blue

Best wishes and regards

Aftab Banoori ^(Talk) 11:24, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you User:Aftabbanoori for your assurance that your information comes from books. However that is not enough for Wikipedia as every reader of the article needs to be able find the sources which you have found. You must cite your sources in the approved manner. Further, having a link in blue such as Syed Adam Banoori is not sufficient for Syed Adam Banoori as it is only a piped link to a section in an article rather than to an article solely about Syed Adam Banoori.SovalValtos (talk) 18:23, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Edit

Dear Sir,
Thanks for your mail, I want to assure you that I am not a type of person who likes edit wars, I trust you and other editors
I may be wrong
Best wishes
Aftab Banoori ^(Talk) 03:20, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

User:Aftabbanoori I am now removing Syed Adam Banoori from the Notable people section of the Kohat article. It can be replaced when his article is written and a citation is provided for his connection with Kohat.SovalValtos (talk) 07:52, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Reply

hello,
Thanks for your message
I am no more interested in Kohat, nor in edit war
bye
Aftab Banoori ^(Talk) 11:23, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-43

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• The abuse filters had a problem and caught too many edits. This has now been fixed. [179]

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from October 25. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from October 26. It will be on all wikis from October 27 (calendar).
• The "Search" text in the search box will show the name of the project. For example, on Wikipedia it will say "Search Wikipedia". [180]
• About a dozen wikis now have numerical sorting in categories. If your wiki wants numerical sorting in categories you can ask for it. [181]
• Some wikis that want numerical sorting in categories can also ask to use UCA to sort categories. The biggest difference is that characters with diacritics will be sorted together. For example, for most languages Ä will be sorted with A instead of at the end of the alphabet. This is not true for languages that have Ä as a character in their alphabet. Wikis that already use UCA are listed on Meta. Languages that can use UCA are listed on MediaWiki.org. You can test it.

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17:39, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-44

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Now you can include Commons video films with subtitles in your wiki language. Before you could see translated videos on file page at Commons only. [182]
• Search now has an updated preference tab to configure the search completion suggester. [183]
• The visual editor is now available on all wikis using only one language script. [184]

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from November 1^st. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from November 2^nd. It will be on all wikis from November 3^rd (calendar).
• Now you can use autocomplete for page names in "Preview page with this template (what's this?)" field when editing templates. [185]
• Special:NewPages can now be filtered by page size. [186]

Future changes

• New MediaWiki deployments will be now based on MediaWiki 1.29. [187]

Miscellaneous

• The Wikimedia Foundation's Technical Collaboration Guideline is available for community review. Any feedback welcome, in any language.

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16:18, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-45

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Victoria Coleman is the new Chief technology officer for the Wikimedia Foundation. [188]
• First release candidate for MediaWiki 1.28 is now available. [189]
• .gitreview for MediaWiki branches and extensions switched from targeting a specific branch to using track=1. [190]
• Section numbers in Table of Contents boxes will use grey to improve readability. [191]

Changes this week

• The 2016 Community Wishlist Survey begins on 7 November.
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from November 8th. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from November 9th. It will be on all wikis from November 10th (calendar).
• Special:ActiveUsers will allow users groups selection. [192]

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 8 November 2016 at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.
• You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topics this week are Image Thumbnail API and allow SVG files uploaded on MediaWiki to have XHTML namespaces. The meeting will be on 9 November at 21:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• RevisionSlider will be enabled by default on all beta wikis, on testwiki, testwiki2, mediawikiwiki and de.wikipedia.org. [193][194][195]
• Upcoming holidays will impact deployments. The schedule has been published.

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23:01, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-46

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• When you edit with the visual editor you can use meta + shift + k to add a reference. The meta key is often the control key or command key. [196]

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from November 15. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from November 16. It will be on all wikis from November 17 (calendar).
• In Special:Preferences you can choose which language menus and buttons will be in. If there is no translation for that language, MediaWiki has a list of fallback languages. A fallback language is a language many will understand better than English. MediaWiki will now use English when there is no Ukrainian translation. [197]

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 15 November at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• Magic links might not work in the future. [198]

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19:18, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-47

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Administrators, bureaucrats, oversighters and checkusers can now use two-factor authentication. This makes their Wikimedia accounts more secure. This can be turned on in Special:Preferences. There are discussions on how to best turn it on for everyone. [199]
• You can now search for file properties. For example you can search for media type, how big a file is or what resolution it has. [200]
• The latest Collaboration team products newsletter has been published. It has more details about their work than Tech News has.

Problems

• A hacker group is hacking Wikimedia accounts. They can probably do this because users have the same passwords on Wikimedia wikis as on other sites. Please have a password you use only on the Wikimedia wikis and nowhere else. This is especially important for administrators, bureaucrats, oversighters and checkusers. These users can also turn on two-factor authentication. [201]

Changes this week

• There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
• RevisionSlider will be a default feature on German, Arabic and Hebrew Wikipedia. This will happen on 22 November. It will come to other wikis later. [202][203][204]

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 22 November at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• It will be possible to do cross-wiki search. The developers who work on this are looking for communities that want to test this. [205]
• Hovercards will leave the beta stage. The Wikimedia Foundation Reading Web team wants communities to set Hovercards as a default option for readers who are not logged in. Communities that are interested can say so on the Hovercards talk page. [206]

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15:33, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

ArbCom Elections 2016: Voting now open!

Hello, SovalValtos. Voting in the 2016 Arbitration Committee elections is open from Monday, 00:00, 21 November through Sunday, 23:59, 4 December to all unblocked users who have registered an account before Wednesday, 00:00, 28 October 2016 and have made at least 150 mainspace edits before Sunday, 00:00, 1 November 2016.

The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

If you wish to participate in the 2016 election, please review the candidates' statements and submit your choices on the voting page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:08, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Deleting uncited material (Isle of Wight)

I notice that today you have deleted a lot of material from this article on grounds of old uncited material tags? As far as I can judge from good local knowledge, most of the information you have deleted is likely to be accurate. Could I point you towards Wiki policy on deleting uncited material which is that it should be raised in the talk page so that information is not lost? Wikipedia contains hundreds of thousands of old citation requests and it is a recognised backlog. IanB2 (talk) 07:55, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

I also noticed this and had the same concern. Maybe we could dig up some citations rather than remove it as what I saw didn't seem contentious. DIY Editor (talk) 08:22, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

@IanB2: what is this policy you are talking about? WP:UNSOURCED sets no condition on removing unsourced information – the condition for restoring previously removed information is to present reliable sources. WP:BLPREMOVE even tells you to remove unsourced material immediately wherever BLP policies apply. No information is lost when removing unsourced material, because it remains in page history. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 08:30, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

I've started a discussion on this at Talk:Isle of Wight#Removal of apparently non-contentious material so we can look at restoring the material with sources if it is worthwhile. DIY Editor (talk) 08:34, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

There have been edit conflicts whilst I have tried to reply. I tried to say; User:IanB2, the information is not lost as it is in history, please can you supply suitable sources on reinserting and supply a link to the policy for me to read.SovalValtos (talk) 08:37, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia policy on removal of uncited items is that they should be pasted into the talk page so the information is not lost. I am surprised you felt innecessary to delete so much from one article, anyway - Wikipedia has a huge numbered items awaiting citation and the ones you deleted do not appear to me to be particularly contentious and there is certainly no legal risk. I think it be better to reverse your deletions and spend the time checking the material out, if any of it concerns you? IanB2 (talk) 09:29, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

P.s. Policy: Wikipedia:Verifiability/Removal of Uncited Material IanB2 (talk) 09:35, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

That "policy" is just an old essay that caries little or no weight. The deleted material is in the page history.Charles (talk) 21:32, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

My view on this subject is that, except perhaps in contentious circumstances, it is generally preferable to first look if any sources can be found, and if so to add them, rather than prioritising the removal of tagged material. I don't know if that is how SovalValtos operates. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:42, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

PaleCloudedWhite This is how SovalValtos operates. He tags the material, of then a couple weeks/months later he comes back to the article and removes it after a while if no citation is provided within that time. Class455 (talk) 21:46, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

I don't know if that assertation is correct. Perhaps SovalValtos can comment themselves? With regard to the Isle of Wight article, a large quantity of tags were added to the article by Wuerzele in this edit. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:02, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you User:Finnusertop and User:Charlesdrakew for pointing out that the essay Wikipedia:Verifiability/Removal of Uncited Material has been confused with the page documenting an English Wikipedia policy Wikipedia:Verifiability. Still, the essay is worth a read even though it uses the deprecated term 'recently' to refer to a time. I agree with User:PaleCloudedWhite's views on removal of material. Class455's speculation as to my gender and their implication that I do not look for sources is less helpful. Now, the way forward to improving the Isle of Wight seems to lie there.SovalValtos (talk) 08:36, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

I am dealing with the citations on this page now. I would however point out that the policy on citations that you have flagged sets the steps to go through to verify material and makes the point that doing the research and adding citations is rather more worthwhile then simply deleting information that is probably accurate, unless there is a legal risk relating to references to living people. User:IanB2 28 November

The lead to Wikipedia:Verifiability says (among other things): All material in Wikipedia mainspace, including everything in articles, lists and captions, must be verifiable. All quotations, and any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation that directly supports the material. Any material that needs a source but does not have one may be removed. I'm not sure that "probably accurate" is good enough for what we'd like Wikipedia to be. Tony Holkham (Talk) 21:09, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Fine, but we need to be realistic about how we get from here to there. As editors it would be very easy for us all to spend time visiting Wiki sites and deleting masses of stuff that isn't properly cited. I don't think we would have a better product as a consequence; just one with lots of holes. More useful is to take an interest in particular pages and check things out, filling gaps with citations as best we can. IanB2 (talk) 20:13, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-48

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Changes this week

• When someone tries to log in to a blocked account they will be blocked by a cookie. This means their browser will be blocked even if they change their IP address. This makes it more difficult for returning vandals. [207]
• When you use Content Translation to adapt a template to a new translation it will work differently. You can adapt big templates such as infoboxes. Translators will have control over the template parameters. A first version of this is released this week. It is possible it will not work correctly with all templates. There will be more updates for this soon. [208]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 29 November. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 30 November. It will be on all wikis from 1 December (calendar).
• Gadgets will have a new option called "hidden". This means you can register gadgets that can't be turned on or off from the preferences page. Hiding gadgets was already possible by using [rights=hidden]. You should now use [hidden] instead. [rights=hidden] in old gadgets should be changed to [hidden]. [209][210]

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 29 November at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• Tool Labs could get two new policies. One would be to be able to adopt tools without an active developer. The other would be a right to fork. There is a request for comment on Meta.

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21:17, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-49

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• You can choose to see users from specific user groups in Special:ActiveUsers. [211]
• Everyone can now see Special:UserRights. Previously only those who could change user rights could. Other users got an error message. [212]
• ORES can now show how likely an edit is to be damaging to the wiki with different colours. This only works for languages that have trained ORES to recognize damaging edits. [213]

Changes this week

• You will now see categories with 0 pages in Special:Categories. Previously you did not see empty categories there. [214]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 December. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 December. It will be on all wikis from 8 December (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 6 December at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• The 2016 Community Wishlist Survey will decide what the Community Tech team will work on next year. You vote for wishes on the survey page until 12 December. You can see what has happened to last year's wishes on the 2015 results page.

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Tech News: 2016-50

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Users who have Yahoo email addresses could not use Special:EmailUser to send emails. This has now been fixed. Emails will now come from a @wikimedia.org address. Users who get an email from you will still reply to your email address and be able to see it. [215]
• You can now see how many categories and pages there are in the categories in Special:TrackingCategories. This is to help you find pages that could need attention. [216]
• Markup colours for reviewed and pending revisions in the page history and recent changes and logs now match Wikimedia standard colours. The "You have a new message on your talk page" notification will have a slightly different colour. [217]

Problems

• Because of work on cross-wiki watchlists global renaming is not working. The plan is to turn it on again on 16 December. Global renaming was turned off for a while in late November and early December as well. [218]

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 13 December. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 14 December. It will be on all wikis from 15 December (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on December 13 at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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19:30, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-51

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Tech News

• Because of the holidays the next issue of Tech News will be sent out on 9 January 2017.
• The writers of the technical newsletter are asking for your opinion. Did you get the information you wanted this year? Did we miss important technical news in 2016? What kind of information was too late? Please tell us! You can write in your language. Thank you!

Recent changes

• Administrators and translation administrators can now use Special:PageLanguage on wikis with the Translate extension. This means you can say what language a page is in. The Translate extension will use that language as the source language when you translate. Previously this was always the wiki's default language. This was usually English. [219]
• Wikis connected to Wikidata can now use the parser function {{#statements: }} to get formatted data. You can also use {{#property: }} to get raw data. You can see the difference between the two statements. There are also similar new functions in Lua. [220]

Problems

• Some abuse filters for uploaded files have not worked as they should. We don't know exactly which filters didn't work yet. This means some files that filters should have prevented from being uploaded were uploaded to the wikis. MediaWiki.org and Testwiki have been affected since 13 October. Commons and Meta have been affected since 17 October. Other wikis have been affected since 17 November. [221]

Changes this week

• There is no new MediaWiki version this week. There will be no new MediaWiki version next week either.

Meetings

• The next meeting with the VisualEditor team will be on 3 January at 20:00 (UTC). During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. See how to join.

Future changes

• The 2016 Community Wishlist Survey is done. It decides what the Community Tech team will work on during 2017. You can see the results.

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20:33, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

2017

From Blaenffos, Pembrokeshire,
best wishes for 2017
(and may all your edits be fruitful),
from Tony Holkham (Talk) 15:38, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-02

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• You can now use datasets on Commons. You can see an example that is using this source. [222]
• There is a new opt-in beta feature of a wikitext mode for the visual editor. You can try it out.
• When you update a page with translations on wikis with the Translate extension the existing translations will be marked as outdated instead of removed. [223]
• The new version of MediaWiki was released to all wikis last week (calendar).
• MoodBar has been removed from the Wikimedia wikis. [224]
• The live option for the Tipsy notice tool has been removed. Gadgets and user scripts which use it need to be updated. [225]

Problems

• Editors who use Firefox 50 might get logged out or fail to save their edits. This is because of a browser bug. Until this is fixed you can enter about:config in the address bar and set network.cookie.maxPerHost to 5000. Firefox 50 is the current version of the Firefox. [226]

Changes this week

• There is no new version of MediaWiki this week because of the Wikimedia Developer Summit.

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19:12, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-03

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• You can now upload WebP files to Commons. [227]

Problems

• video2commons was down for two weeks. This was because of a problem with Commons video transcoders. It is now back up. [228]

Changes this week

• There is a new magic word called {{PAGELANGUAGE}}. It returns the language of the page you are at. This can be used on wikis with more than one language to make it easier for translators. [229]
• When an admin blocks a user or deletes or protects a page they give a reason why. They can now get suggestions when they write. The suggestions will be based on the messages in the dropdown menu. [230]
• You will be able to use <chem> to write chemical formulas. Before you could use <ce>. <ce> should be replaced by <chem>. [231]
• You now can add exceptions for categories which shouldn't be shown on Special:UncategorizedCategories. The list is at MediaWiki:Uncategorized-categories-exceptionlist. [232]
• The "Columns" and "Rows" settings will be removed from the Editing tab in Preferences. If you wish to keep what the "Rows" setting did you can add this code to your personal CSS: #wpTextbox1 { height: 50em; } You can change the number 50 to make it look like you want to. [233]
• Sometimes edits in MediaWiki by mistake are shown coming from private IP addresses such as 127.0.0.1. Edits and other contributions logged to these IP addresses will be blocked and shown the reason from MediaWiki:Softblockrangesreason. This should not affect most users. Bots and other tools running on Wikimedia Labs, including Tool Labs will receive a "blocked" error if they try to edit without being logged in. [234]
• When you edit with the visual editor categories will be on the top of the page options menu. [235]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 17 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 18 January. It will be on all wikis from 19 January (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on January 17 at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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23:24, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-04

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• You can see a list of the templates on a page you edit with the visual editor. [236]

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 24 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 25 January. It will be on all wikis from 26 January (calendar).

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20:15, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-05

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• The OAuth management interfaces now look slightly different. [237]

Changes this week

• ElectronPdfService will be enabled by default on Meta and German Wikipedia. This is a new way to get articles as PDF files you can download. It will come to more wikis later. [238]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from January 31. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from February 1. It will be on all wikis from February 2 (calendar).

Future changes

• The Community Tech team will develop more tools to handle harassment of Wikimedia editors. The goal is to give the communities better tools to find, report and evaluate harassment. They will also work on more effective blocking tools. [239][240]
• The Wikimedia technical community is doing a Developer Wishlist survey. Developers can propose ideas before 31 January 23:59 UTC. This is soon.

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18:45, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-06

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• The block log sometimes showed blocks as being much longer than they were. This has now been fixed. [241]

Changes this week

• Wikimedia pages will now be better at showing pictures when you share them on social media. The descriptions will be different too. You can see an example of before and after. [242]
• There are some changes to the OOjs UI. Some old functions will not work anymore or not work as they used to. This could be a breaking change. [243]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 February. It will be on all wikis from 9 February (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 7 February at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• Tidy will be replaced later this year. Instead, the HTML 5 parsing algorithm will be used to clean up bad HTML in wikitext. This will cause problems on a number of wikis. They need to be fixed first. You can see if your wiki still has something to fix here for one of the HTML problems. This list does not cover all problems. You can read about more problems. [244][245]

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19:46, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-07

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• EventStreams is a new way to show activity on Wikimedia wikis. For now it works with the recent changes feed. It will do more things later. It will replace RCStream. Tools that use RCStream should move to EventStreams before 7 July. [246]

Problems

• The Firefox add-on Firefogg can cause problems with the Upload Wizard. This will not be fixed, because Firefox will not support Firefogg in the future. The Upload Wizard will no longer work with Firefogg. [247]
• Tool Labs and Wikimedia Labs databases will be under maintenance on 15 February. This will start at 17:00 (UTC) and last for about six hours. Some tools could have problems during or after this. [248]

Changes this week

• The TwoColConflict extension is a new way to solve edit conflicts. It makes it easier to copy and paste the relevant text to the text field. It will come to Meta and German Wikipedia this week. It is already available on MediaWiki.org. It will come to more wikis later. [249]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 14 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 15 February. It will be on all wikis from 16 February (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 14 February at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• Page Previews will be turned on for logged-out users on the Catalan, Greek, Russian, and Italian Wikipedias in the middle of February. Page Previews shows readers a short part of a linked article when they rest their mouse pointer on the link. This is to help them understand what it is about without leaving the article they are reading. Page Previews used to be called Hovercards. It will come to more wikis later this spring. [250]
• The Developer Wishlist is a list where developers prioritize tools they need. The voting closes at 14 February 23:59 (UTC). This process is only for developers.

Review

• You can read the 2016 product summary from the Wikimedia Foundation Product group to see what they did with things they said they would work on in the annual plan.

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18:06, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-08

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• The edit summary box is now a little bit bigger. This is to make it follow the Wikimedia design guide. [251]

Changes this week

• Page Previews will be updated on 23 February. This fixes many bugs. Page Previews can be turned on as the Beta Feature called Hovercards. [252]
• There has been a problem where the CSS of gadgets has been loading twice. The Gadgets extension has two new options: type and peers. The type option solves this problem. You can use peers to create gadgets with more than one style module. Read more about type and peers. [253]
• OAuth will handle blocked users in a more consistent way. [254]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 21 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 22 February. It will be on all wikis from 23 February (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 21 February at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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19:26, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Tuffley citation - Apr 2015

Hey, I have added a photo to show the decay of Holmleigh Parade in Tuffley also can the citation template be removed as it's been there since April 2015 and there are no references as I can see to show it shown here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tuffley&diff=prev&oldid=654902840. D Eaketts (talk) 12:05, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-09

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• On 22 February the wikipedia.org portal did not work for an hour. This was because of a problem with a JavaScript file. [255]

Changes this week

• You will be able to use <chem> to write chemical formulas in the visual editor. Previously this only worked in the wikitext editor. [256]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 28 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 1 March. It will be on all wikis from 2 March (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 28 February at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• You can soon upload 3D files to Commons. The file formats are AMF and STL. The plan is for this to work later this week but it could be later. [257]
• The name "Wikipedia" will be more obvious at the top of the page when you read Wikipedia in the mobile view. This is because many readers don't realize they are on Wikipedia. [258][259]

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19:56, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-10

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• You can now search on English, French, Hebrew and Greek wikis and find words even if you forget the diacritics. It also works if you use diacritics in your search but the wiki doesn't. [260]
• When you use the mobile view and click on a link to an article in another language you will see that article in the mobile view. Previously it changed to the desktop view. [261]

Problems

• Some watchlist gadgets didn't work for a period of time last week. This has now been fixed. [262]
• Admins who click on "mass delete" on a user's Special:Contributions will be taken directly to a list pages created by that user. It has worked like this before, but not lately. [263]

Changes this week

• The way you switch between wikitext and the visual editors in the desktop view has changed. It is now a drop-down menu. This is the same as in the mobile view. [264]
• The "flag the edit in the abuse log" checkbox will be removed from the abuse filter interface. This is because the edits are always flagged in the abuse log. [265]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 March. It will be on all wikis from 9 March (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 7 March at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Clarification

• The 2017/09 issue of Tech News mentioned 3D file formats you can soon upload to Commons. The AMF format will be available later.

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23:23, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-11

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes this week

• You will be able to show references from <references /> tags in more than one column on your wiki. This is the list of footnotes for the sources in the article. How many columns you see will depend on how big your screen is. On some wikis, some templates already do this. Templates that use <references /> tags will need to be updated, and then later the change can happen for all reference lists. [266][267]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 14 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 15 March. It will be on all wikis from 16 March (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 14 March at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• Some old web browsers will not be able to use JavaScript on Wikimedia wikis in the future. If you have an old web browser on your computer you can upgrade to a newer version. [268]
• CSS in templates will be stored in a separate page in the future. [269][270]

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15:26, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-12

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• The Save page button now says Publish page or Publish changes on the Wikimedia wikis except for Wikipedias and Wikinewses. This change will come to Wikipedias later. The point is to make it more clear that the edit will change the page immediately. Publish page is when you save a new page and Publish changes when you edit an existing page. [271]
• DMOZ no longer works. Templates that use DMOZ can be redirected to archive.org or another mirror. DMOZ has been removed from the RelatedSites extension on Wikivoyage. [272]
• You can see monthly page views when you click on Page information in the sidebar. Developers can also get monthly page views through the API. [273]
• The Linter extension is now on smaller Wikimedia wikis. It helps editors find some wikitext errors so they can be fixed. It will come to other Wikimedia wikis later. The extension will be able to find more errors later. [274]
• The MediaWiki-Vagrant portable development environment has been updated to use Debian Jessie. This means local development and testing will be more like on the majority of Wikimedia production servers. [275]

Problems

• On 15 March some interwiki links to other languages were not correctly sorted. This has been fixed. If you still see pages where the interwiki links are not sorted as they should be, they should be fixed automatically with time or you can edit the page and save it without changing anything. If this doesn't work, please report it. [276]

Changes this week

• When you edit with the visual editor, you will be able to switch the direction you write in from right-to-left to left-to-right as you are editing. This is especially important for editors who edit in languages that write from right to left. You can do this with a tool in the editing menu. You can also use the keyboard shortcut Ctrl+Shift+X on PCs or Cmd+Shift+X on Macs. [277]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 21 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 22 March. It will be on all wikis from 23 March (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 21 March at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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22:03, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-13

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• When you edit with the visual editor, you can see a visual diff as well as a wikitext diff when you review your changes. [278]

Problems

• Special:AllPages was disabled for two days due to some performance issues. It is back, but the filter for redirects is gone as the cause of the performance problem. It still needs to be fixed. [279][280]

Changes this week

• New filters for Recent changes will be released on Portuguese and Polish Wikipedias and MediaWikiwiki on March 28. Other wikis will get it progressively. The new filters include filtering, highlighting and, on certain wikis, user intent prediction.
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from March 28. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from March 29. It will be on all wikis from March 30 (calendar).

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14:47, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-14

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• The Save page button now says Publish page or Publish changes on most Wikipedias. The point is to make it more clear that the edit will change the page immediately. Publish page is when you save a new page and Publish changes when you edit an existing page. [281]
• The tracking category Category:Pages with template loops is now added when a template loop is found. A template loop is for example when a template tries to use a second template that uses the first template. [282]
• English Wikipedia now has cookie blocks. It will come to more wikis in the future. This is an extension to the autoblock system so when a user is blocked, the next time they visit the wiki a cookie will be set. This means that even if the user switches accounts and to a new IP address the cookie will block them again. [283]

Problems

• Wikidata descriptions, aliases and labels that used some characters could not be saved. This has now been fixed. [284]

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 4 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 5 April. It will be on all wikis from 6 April (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 4 April at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
• You can join the next office hour with the Wikidata team. The meeting will be on 5 April at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• New filters for Recent changes will come to Wikidata and Persian, Dutch, Russian, Turkish, Czech and Hebrew Wikipedia on 11 April. The new filters include filtering, highlighting and user intent prediction. User intent prediction means the filter tries to help editors determine if the edit was made in good faith or not. Other wikis will get it later. [285]

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17:53, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-15

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Tidy is going to be replaced with an HTML5 parsing algorithm. Bad HTML in wikitext would cause problems on a number of wikis. There is now a ParserMigration extension on all wikis that you can use to help clean this up. You can read more about how you can use it. [286]

Changes this week

• Some older web browsers will not be able to use JavaScript on Wikimedia wikis from this week. If you have an old web browser on your computer you can upgrade to a newer version. [287]
• New filters for Recent changes will come to Wikidata and Persian, Russian, Turkish and French Wikipedia on 11 April. The schedule has been changed to fix the user intent prediction filters for some wikis. User intent prediction means the filter tries to make it easier for editors to determine if the edit was made in good faith or not. Other wikis will get it later. [288]
• The list of special characters in the wikitext editor and the visual editor will now have a group of Canadian Aboriginal characters. [289]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 11 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 12 April. It will be on all wikis from 13 April (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 11 April at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• Because of a data centre test you will be able to read but not edit the wikis for 20 to 30 minutes on 19 April and 3 May. This will start at 14:00 (UTC). You might lose edits if you try to save during this time. You can read more about this.
• RevisionSlider will change how you move between revisions. This will be available on the test wiki from 11 April. It will come to other wikis later if users like the change. You can test it and give feedback.

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18:35, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-16

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• You can add ?safemode=1 to the end of the URL on Wikimedia wikis to disable your personal CSS and JavaScript. Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literature?safemode=1. This means you can test if a problem is because of your user scripts or gadgets without uninstalling them. [290]
• You can now see a list of all autoblocks on Special:AutoblockList. [291]
• The Wikiversity and Wikinews logos are now shown directly from the configuration and not from [[File:Wiki.png]]. If you want to change logo or have an anniversary logo, see how to request a configuration change. This is how it already works for other projects. They can request logo changes the same way. [292]

Problems

• Because of a data centre test you will be able to read but not edit the wikis for 20 to 30 minutes on 19 April. This will start at 14:00 (UTC). You might lose edits if you try to save during this time. You can read more about this. This will also happen on 3 May.

Changes this week

• There is no new Mediawiki version this week. This is because of the data centre test.

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 18 April at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• stats.wikimedia.org will be replaced. You can see the new prototype. You can leave feedback on this change.
• Page Previews will be turned on for logged-out users on a large number of wikis in May. It could be postponed and happen later. Page Previews shows readers a short part of a linked article when they rest their mouse pointer on the link. This is to help them understand what it is about without leaving the article they are reading. Page Previews used to be called Hovercards. Users who have tested the feature can give feedback. [293]
• From next week, user scripts using very old deprecated wikibits functions will show errors. These functions have not worked since 2013. You should fix or disable broken scripts. You can see examples of how to upgrade scripts. [294][295]

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19:32, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-17

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• New filters for recent changes are now available as a beta feature on most wikis. You can turn it on in your preferences. Remaining wikis will have the new filters on 9 May. [296]
• When administrators, bureaucrats and stewards make a user a member of a user group they can now set an expiry date. A user group is for example "administrators" or "bots". This means that they can give someone user rights for a limited time. This is similar to how blocks and page protections can be limited in time. Special:UserRights will have new options for this. You can read more about user groups. [297]

Problems

• Since the data centre test last week the content translation tool has been disabled. This is because of a database problem. It will be back as soon as the problem has been solved. [298]

Changes this week

• The GuidedTour extension will be enabled on all wikis. This is a tool to explain to new users how to edit. [299]
• Wiktionary will handle interlanguage links in a new way. The Cognate extension will automatically link pages with the same title between Wiktionaries. For this to work all old interlanguage links have to be removed. You can read more about this. [300]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 25 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 26 April. It will be on all wikis from 27 April (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 25 April at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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16:40, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-18

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• The content translation tool works again. It was turned off because of a database problem. [301]
• Scripts using very old deprecated wikibits functions show errors. These functions have not worked since 2013. You should fix or disable broken scripts. You can see examples of how to upgrade scripts. This is the same thing as Tech News wrote about in issue 2017/16. You need to add mw.loader.using( 'mediawiki.util' ) block for your scripts also, or add mediawiki.util dependency in gadget ResourceLoader section in MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition. [302][303]

Problems

• Because of a data centre test you will be able to read but not edit the wikis for 20 to 30 minutes on 3 May. This will start at 14:00 (UTC). You might lose edits if you try to save during this time. You can read more about this.

Changes this week

• There is no new MediaWiki version this week. This is because of the data centre test.

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 2 May at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• All Wikimedia wikis will have cookie blocks from May 8. This is an extension to the autoblock system so when a user is blocked, the next time they visit the wiki a cookie will be set. This means that even if the user switches accounts and to a new IP address the cookie will block them again. [304]
• The Publish changes, Show preview and Show changes buttons will look slightly different. This is to fit with the OOUI look. Users can test scripts, gadgets and so on to see if they work with the new interface by adding &ooui=1 to the URL. [305]

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19:50, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-19

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• Some users have a problem with the watchlist. Some changes in categories make the watchlist a blank page. The developers are working on this. Until this is fixed you can try some things that have helped other editors if you have this problem. You can turn on Hide categorization of pages in your watchlist preferences. You can turn off Expand watchlist to show all changes, not just the most recent in your watchlist preferences. You can remove problematic categories from Special:EditWatchlist/raw. [306]
• There was a problem with the visual editor for several days. You could not save edits that triggered a CAPTCHA. This would for example be when a new user added external links in references. This was fixed on 2 May. [307]

Changes this week

• When you edit you can switch between the visual editor and the wikitext editor. This works if the wiki you edit has the visual editor. The menu will now say Visual editing and Source editing instead of Switch to visual editing and Switch to code editing. This is because it was confusing when the menu said you could switch to the editor you were already using. [308]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 9 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 10 May. It will be on all wikis from 11 May (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 9 May at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• You will be able to get a notification when a page you created is connected to a Wikidata item. This will come to Wikivoyage on 9 May. If there are no problems it will come to most Wikipedias on 30 May. It will come to other projects and English, French and German Wikipedia later in the summer. It will be opt-in for existing users and opt-out for new users. [309][310]
• Markup that looks like code for language variants might need to be fixed. If -{ is used in transclusions or web addresses it has to be escaped appropriately. You can use -<nowiki/>{ for transclusions and %2D{ in web addresses. A transclusion could for example be when you use -{ in a template: {{1x| sad :-{ face }}. This is because of some code fixes to the preprocessor and affects all wikis. [311][312]

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02:25, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-20

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• You can now use ISBNs to automatically generate citations in the visual editor. This works on wikis that have enabled Citoid. [313]
• The Two Column Edit Conflict View is available as a beta feature on all wikis. It is a new interface for the edit conflict resolution page. [314]

Problems

• The mediawiki.util library does not load automatically any more. Your Special:MyPage/common.js may use it. If you have technical problems that started a couple of weeks ago you can try adding mw.loader.using( 'mediawiki.util' ).done(function(){ as the first line in the file and }); as a last one. Tech News wrote about this in the 2017/18 issue. [315]

Changes this week

• The RevisionSlider extension will be a default feature on all wikis. RevisionSlider is an easier way to move between changes in the page history. It has been a default feature on German, Arabic and Hebrew Wikipedia and a beta feature on all wikis. You will be able to turn it off in your preferences. [316]
• There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Future changes

• Administrators will soon be able to search through deleted pages. [317][318]
• Markup that looks like code for language variants might need to be fixed. Tech News wrote about this last week. If -{ is used in transclusions or web addresses it has to be escaped appropriately. You can use -<nowiki/>{ for transclusions and %2D{ in web addresses. This is because of some code fixes to the preprocessor and affects all wikis. You can now see the full list of wikis with this problem and help fix them to avoid that things break later this month. You might find false positives. You can read more about what to fix. [319][320]

Older unreported changes

• Your Meta user page is shown on all wikis where you don't have a local user page. You can now add the magic word __NOGLOBAL__ to your Meta user page to stop this. [321][322]

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21:48, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-21

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 23 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 24 May. It will be on all wikis from 25 May (calendar).
• There will be a <div> tag around HTML from the MediaWiki wikitext parser. Gadgets with code that does not follow recommendations could have problems with this. You can report new problems you think are related to this. [323]

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22:16, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-22

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• Last week’s MediaWiki version was rolled back from some wikis because of a problem. This means planned changes did not happen. [324]

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 30 May at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• You will be able to control who can notify you on the Wikimedia wikis. You will have a user blacklist. When you add a user to the blacklist you will not get a notification when they mention you. You can test this on Beta Wikipedia. You can read more and give feedback on Meta. [325]

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12:18, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-23

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• You can see new files on Special:NewFiles. You can now pick which dates you want to see files from. [326]
• When you read Wikipedia on a mobile device the first paragraph now comes before the infobox. [327]
• You can now remove navigation elements from your results when you search. This could for example be part of an infobox that is only there to help you find the previous or next article. [328]
• New users on Wikivoyages and Wikipedias (except French, English and German) now get a notification when a page they created is connected to Wikidata. Other wikis will get it 13 June. [329]

Problems

• The MediaWiki version from two weeks ago was rolled back. It was fixed late last week. Changes that were planned to go out last week did not happen. [330]

Changes this week

• Wikimedia wikis can show fewer links to articles in other languages. This is to make it easier to find the languages likely to be useful to the reader or editor. Everyone can still click to see the full list. Logged-in users who use the compact language links will see languages they have in their Babel box on their user page in the first, shorter list. You can turn the compact language list off or on in your preferences. [331]
• You can choose what dates to look at when you look at a user's contributions. [332]
• When you click on your watchlist in the mobile view you get a list of all pages in the watchlist instead of the latest changes to them. Logged-in users with at least ten edits will now get the latest changes instead. [333]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 June. It will be on all wikis from 8 June (calendar).
• String comparisons in Scribunto modules are now always done case-insensitively by byte order. Before they were sometimes in a case-sensitive US-English collation order. This could break some modules. [334]

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 6 June at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• The 2006 wikitext editor will be removed the week of 27 June. This is the old toolbar with small square blue buttons. You can see a picture of it. 0.03% of active Wikimedia editors use this old tool. They will not see a toolbar at all. [335][336]
• Wikimedia wikis use OCG to create PDFs. The OCG code has a lot of problems and will stop working. It has to be replaced. An alternative is Electron. You can tell the developers what you need the PDF service to be able to do. Electron already works on German Wikipedia. It will be on English Wikipedia later this week so you can test it there too. [337]
• The Architecture Committee will change and get a new name. You can read and comment on the draft that describes the new committee.

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19:05, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-24

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Some wikis have the larger and brighter OOjs UI edit page buttons. When you write an edit summary there you can now see how many bytes you have left before the summary is too long. [338]
• When you search on Wikipedia you can now find pages on other Wikimedia projects that could be relevant. You see them next to the search results. [339]

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 13 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 14 June. It will be on all wikis from 15 June (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 13 June at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• You will soon be able to get a notification when someone tries to log in to your account. You can test this on the test wiki. This will only work if they fail to log in to your account. [340]
• Wikimedia wikis use OCG to create PDFs. The OCG code has a lot of problems and will stop working. It has to be replaced. An alternative is Electron. You can tell the developers what you need the PDF service to be able to do. Electron now works on all Wikimedia projects. [341]
• Administrators can soon search for deleted page titles and find results that are similar to what they searched for. Today the search only finds pages that are exactly the same as what you search for. This is to make it easier to find pages when you don't know the exact title. Administrators on Arabic, Catalan, English, Persian, German, Italian, Polish, and Russian Wikipedia and on mediawiki.org can test this by adding &fuzzy=1 to the end of the web address when looking at Special:Undelete. [342][343]

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15:30, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-25

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• ORES had some problems on 13 June between 16:00 and 19:40 UTC. It has now been fixed. [344]

Changes this week

• irc.wikimedia.org has to be rebooted. This will probably happen on 21 June. It may be postponed. Some tools use this to get the recent changes feed. They will not work when it is down. [345]
• Special:PageData will be an entry point for machine-readable page data. [346]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 20 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 21 June. It will be on all wikis from 22 June (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 20 June at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• CSS in templates will be stored in a separate page in the future. You can now see how the TemplateStyles extension works on Beta Labs.

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15:44, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-26

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• The <inputbox> has a new searchfilter parameter. You can add values like searchfilter=insource:foo. It will add that to the user's search query. [347]

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 27 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 28 June. It will be on all wikis from 29 June (calendar).
• Users will be able to choose whether they want to see Wikidata changes in enhanced watchlist/recent changes. Previously, this was disabled for everyone. [348]

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 27 June at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
• You can join the next WMF Language team office hour, an open session to talk about Wikimedia Language projects. The meeting will be on 27 June at 13:00 UTC. [349]

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15:38, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-27

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• There was a problem with maps on Wikimedia wikis that used <mapframe> when you clicked on the link to another map service. Open Street Map or Google Maps are examples of other map services. If you had marked a place on the map the marker would not be in the same place on the other map service. It was in the middle of the map. This has now been fixed. [350]

Changes this week

• Very old and inactive unpublished translations in the Content Translation database will be removed. This is because of technical maintenance. If you have not worked on a translation after 1 January 2016 you will lose it after 6 July. If you want to keep the unfinished translation you need to open it before 6 July with the Content Translation tool. You can continue working on it later. Translations that were started or have been worked on after 1 January 2016 will not be affected.
• There is no new Mediawiki version this week.
• EventStreams is a new way to show activity on Wikimedia wikis. It works with the recent changes feed. It will do more things later. It will replace RCStream. Tools that use RCStream should move to EventStreams before 7 July. Tech News wrote about this in the 2017/07 issue. [351]

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15:32, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-28

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• There are sometimes links to pages about the same thing on other Wikimedia projects. A Wikipedia article about Berlin can link to the Wikivoyage guide or Wiktionary entry about Berlin. You can now see when that page has a badge. A badge could be the star that shows that an article is a featured article. [352]

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 11 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 12 July. It will be on all wikis from 13 July (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 11 July at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• Mobile users will be able to edit Wikipedia without JavaScript. This will make it possible to edit the wikis from older mobile phones. This will probably happen on 18 July for most wikis. [353]
• We will not use Tidy on Wikimedia wikis in the future. It will be replaced by June 2018. It could be earlier. Editors will need to fix pages that could break. You can read the simplified instructions for editors.

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15:07, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-29

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• "Wikimedia Labs" is now called "Cloud VPS". "Wikimedia Tool Labs" is now called "Wikimedia Toolforge". This is to help clarify the purpose of these services. [354]

Problems

• On some pages, the Table of Contents is not being shown. It will normally appear if you edit the page again. Investigation is currently ongoing. [355]

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 18 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 19 July. It will be on all wikis from 20 July (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 18 July at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
• You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topic this week is: Migrate to HTML5 section ids. [356] The meeting will be on 19 July at 21:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• Page Previews, currently a Beta Feature, will be enabled for logged-out users for all remaining Wikipedias (with the exception of English and German) the week of 24 July. An A/B test will be run on English Wikipedia to collect data before approaching the community for further discussion. [357]

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22:59, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-30

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• CSS in templates will be stored in a separate page in the future. This will make it easier to make templates look good on mobile devices. This now works on mediawiki.org and Wikitech. It will come to more wikis later. [358][359][360]
• .mw-ui-constructive modifier class is deprecated and has been removed. [361]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 25 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 26 July. It will be on all wikis from 27 July (calendar).
• It will be possible to restrict who can send you notifications on a wiki. This new feature will accessible in your preferences, in the Notifications tab, on Wednesday, July 26. Please see the documentation. [362]

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 25 July at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
• You can join the Wikimedia Foundation July 2017 Metrics & Activities Meeting. The meeting is about how Wikipedia and the Wikimedia movement are perceived and understood by the world. The meeting will be on 27 July at 19:00 (UTC). See the agenda and how to join.

Future changes

• New Filters for Edit Review, at the moment available as a Beta feature, will be released by default for the Recent Changes in September.

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15:58, 24 July 2017 (UTC)