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Help me!

Please help me with... I'm trying to edit Harwich Mayflower Project to display the title as Harwich Mayflower Project (the Mayflower in the title is a ship). My edit here didn't work with a red error message so I undid it. The article has a template Infobox ship begin, but another edit here to attempt to add a parameter didn't work either. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:12, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

I fixed the title with this edit. That parameter had to be added to {{infobox ship begin}}, not one of the subtemplates. --AntiCompositeNumber (Leave a message) 13:30, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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	For fastidiously following process and AfD'ing a clearly extra Deep One (disambiguation) even though the previous AfD had been 11 years ago. Jclemens (talk) 16:28, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Prods of disambiguation pages

Hi, I've noticed you have prodded a lot of pages with "(disambiguation)" in the title on the grounds that they only disambiguate two articles. These articles qualify for speedy deletion under WP:G6, as uncontroversial maintenance, since most if not all of the articles you have nominated have a clear primary topic and the dab page only lists one article in addition to the primary topic. I tagged a bunch of your prods the other day and found quite a few more again today. Hope this helps. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 00:31, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks @Kuyabribri:, that is helpful, and I've noticed admins usually cite G6 when deleting the pages. However, WP:G6 says template DB-disamb can be applied "For orphaned disambiguation pages that refer to either one or zero pages" - not two. See, for example, Dujiangyan (disambiguation) where, as at now, I PRODed it, user:Boleyn speedied it, but Neo-Jay contested it. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:58, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Kuyabribri and Shhh, Shhh is right that a WP:2DABS situation doesn't meet the criteria at Template:db-disambig and so should be prodded. Some of these I've speedied (like Dujiangyan (disambiguation)) because they contained a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and a partial match. That one was removed because although it looked like a partial match, the creator asserted that it is commonly known by the shortened version. Boleyn (talk) 10:50, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Uhuru (wholefoods shop)

Hello Shhhnotsoloud. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Uhuru (wholefoods shop), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: previous version of article contains a book source, so significance might exist. Use WP:AFD instead. Thank you. SoWhy 07:56, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

technical RM request

I would like to inform you that your technical move request is Done. --Kostas20142 (talk) 10:08, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

May 2017

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@Llammakey: I'm sorry I made a mistake in italicizing the ship class name. I've now read Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ships) which you didn't cite but I found it, so I won't do it again. You'll notice that my edits to the articles about Hero-class vessels included adjusting punctuation, removing improper use of Template:', in 2 cases quoting from the cited sources regarding the origin of the name, and in one case deleting unsourced material duplicated from elsewhere. Since you've deemed my edits to be disruptive editing rather than follow guidance to assume good faith, I will not be returning to re-make those parts of my edit. Your use of Template:Uw-disruptive1 is way out of line. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:53, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

You disrupted my editing, I had to come fix your uniformed editing mistakes. I then had to clean up those pages before you returned. Read the project guidelines and don't waste my time. Good faith is for newbies, not long-serving editors. Llammakey (talk) 11:03, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

What WP:AGF actually says is "Everyone makes mistakes ... Most of the time, we can correct such mistakes with simple reminders. " Read the guidelines and "Keep a cool head". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:09, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Disambiguator's Barnstar
		The Disambiguator's Barnstar is awarded to Wikipedians who are prolific disambiguators. For managing to find, and then appropriately deal with, a huge number of wrongly-created disambiguation pages. Boleyn (talk) 09:48, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you user: Boleyn! Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:31, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

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Hi Shhhnotsoloud, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the "autopatrolled" permission to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the patroller right, see Wikipedia:Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! -- There'sNoTime ^{(to explain)} 10:14, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

@Boleyn: thank you, an unexpected pleasure! Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:05, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Well done, I'm glad you got the rights. Don't thank me though, the articles were too good to need reviewing. Boleyn (talk) 18:37, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Noctorum (band) CSD declined

Good evening Shhhnotsoloud. I declined your CSD of Noctorum (band) because there's a credible claim of significance as one of the band's members has an article. If you still want to try deletion, I suggest you take it to AFD, though there's always the possibility of redirecting it to Marty_Willson-Piper#Solo_career_and_Noctorum. Anarchyte (work | talk) 10:38, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Tihama (company)

Hello Shhhnotsoloud. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Tihama (company), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: previously decllined in 2006, thus not eligible for speedy deletion. Thank you. SoWhy 15:39, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Black Book (Rebus)

Hello there:
Thanks for your note about this; I have replied at the AfD. Regards, Swanny18 (talk) 21:24, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

PS: Just to let you know, I've deleted the notability tag on this page, for the reason given. Also, (without wishing to be stalkerish in any way) I've edited The Representative (disambiguation) and Újpest (disambiguation) (which you had also prodded), and I've left a note at Talk:Rebus (TV series), if you wish to comment. I thought I should let you know. Regards, Swanny18 (talk) 00:06, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

@Swanny18: Thank you. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:17, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Issuing level 1 warning about removing AfD template from articles before the discussion is complete. (Peachy 2.0 (alpha 8))

Welcome to Wikipedia. Please do not remove Articles for deletion notices from articles, or remove other people's comments in Articles for deletion debates, as you did with Warren Church. Otherwise, it may be difficult to create consensus. If you oppose the deletion of an article, please comment at the respective page instead. This is an automated message from a bot about this edit, where you removed the deletion template from an article before the deletion discussion was complete. If this message is in error, please report it.—^{cyberbot I}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 15:06, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

@Cyberbot I: The AfD tag was removed per my comment at the AfD entry (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Warren Church) because another editor had moved the page under deletion discussion, resulting in an AfD tag at both Warren Church and Warren Church (politician). My removal of the tag was intentional and not disruptive. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:45, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

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TCR / Tottenham Court Road

This is a marginal case, but I have heard locals and blogs talk about "TCR" and mean Tottenham Court Road for years. You won't find it very much in respected sources, but it does crop up enough to be a cursory mention. Still, I'm not going to re-revert if you disagree and revert back. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:00, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

@Ritchie333: I don't doubt you at all, Ritchie, and I like the edit to Tottenham Court Road! Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:06, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

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merge closure

Hello. Thank you for closing the old merge proposal on Flag of Nigeria (1914–1960). Just wanted to ask a favour, would you be able to close the merge proposal on Triangular corner flags in English football please as the consensus on the merge proposal is against merging? — Preceding unsigned comment added by The C of E (talk • contribs) 16:34, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

@The C of E: Please forgive me if I don't. It looks (mildly) controversial and I think what I read as a lack of consensus would be better judged by an admin, if only presentationally. May I suggest you ask at WP:AN. Cheers, Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:55, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

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91.252.115.143 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) Should have warnings before being reported. I templated 91.252.115.143 with {{uw-selfrevert}} Not sure if more can be done. I don't think the AIV report will be acted on. Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 09:34, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

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Apologies

Sorry, I was hasty in my revert there - should have assumed you were working on the disambiguation page and given you a while to finish. GirthSummit 16:41, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

@Girth Summit: Don't worry, I should really have created the page first. Cheers! Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:42, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

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Red Lion admissibility

Hey there. A question about why you deleted the mention to DC Comic's character in Red Lion. I don't really know why the character should be mentioned in the wiki pages i referred to. It is already known that Deathstroke's page has to be updated to include Rebirth and the character of Red Lion appeared in Rebirth. Honestly I think that updating what's missing rather that removing honest contributions (it's not even vandalism) would be way more interesting for Wikipedia. --EyedMoon (talk) 14:08, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello @EyedMoon: - thanks for asking. I had not inferred vandalism and am very happy to assume good faith on your part. Entries on disambiguation pages must refer to an article in which the actual term is mentioned: see MOS:DABMENTION. Disambiguation pages are not lists of meanings of phrases: entries must point to an article on the subject, or the mention of the subject. Sending a reader to Deathstroke if Red Lion isn't mentioned there doesn't help the reader. By all means add an entry that points to an article with a mention, with one blue entry per line. You might find Wikipedia:Disambiguation dos and don'ts useful. Regards, Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:21, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

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Sorry if my edit summaries were a bit curt - but most people editing this one have been vandals. Noticed after a couple of reverts that this is most definitely not the case here, in fact "disambigging" is your speciality, so I've had a "second look", at the MOS in particular, but I and really can't see that the "original text" contravenes anything important. Not all DAB pages will necessarily follow exactly the same format. Anyway, I do wish you could have a good look at the layout here and see why we chose to bring "logically related" lines together. If you strongly disagree - it might bean idea to more this to the talk page for the article and thrash it out there. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 12:39, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Oops - you were already at the talk page while I was composing the above! Anyway, I've responded to what you had to say on the talk page and 'unwatching' this one. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 13:01, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Recent redirect change

If you want to change a redirect, please do it correctly and move the page to the new target. The way you did broke a few things. --Gonnym (talk) 19:03, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Gonnym: which one? I'm busy fixing a few things right now... Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:09, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

So It Begins, the redirect had a short description set and had relevant redirect categories that the one you created did not have. --Gonnym (talk) 19:14, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

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username

Is your username a reference to the classic dry martini joke? My fave! --В²C ☎ 01:00, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

@Born2cycle: It isn't, but, go on then, just this once, tell us the joke... Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:31, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

A guy walks into a bar and orders a dry martini. The bartender says "sure, no problem" and the guy says "I don't think you understand; I want it to be very dry." "Okay". The bartender pours in the gin and is about to pour in the vermouth when the guys yells, "Stop! Just whisper 'vermouth' over the glass". The bartender shrugs and puts the vermouth bottle down, leans over the glass and says, "ver..." when the guy stops him again... "Shhh! Not so loud!" --В²C ☎ 18:08, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

;-) Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:00, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Page name changes

It occured to me that you or someone else who cares could go through List of ELCA synods and rename each synod to have ELCA in front of the synod. Except for the Slovak Zion Synod, none of them used to be separate denominations, and to the best of my knowledge none of them have had a rocky relationship with the main denomination. Maybe Slovak Zion Synod should be left alone. In other words, the ELCA synods they are more clearly middle judicatories than the LCMS districts.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 20:44, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

@Epiphyllumlover: I might: let's see how the LCMS ones go. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:37, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

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Thanks

Thanks for notifying me. Wikipedia is a collective work and any contributions including yours are always welcome. I like the fact you always explain your moves with references to approved Wikipedia policies. At the end, nothing is set in stone. I created new pages and improve on existing pages by contributing my share... and you do yours. werldwayd (talk) 20:56, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

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Question about the RFC you closed

Hi,

you closed the RFC at Cossack Hetmanate as no consensus, though if we summarize the votes the support for merge surpass the opposers..as far as I know, in case one side have majority, it means it is accepted, or? Thank You(KIENGIR (talk) 14:33, 30 May 2019 (UTC))

@KIENGIR: Hello, and thanks for your message. Consensus isn't about vote counting. There were two serious objections to the proposal and I judged that it was unlikely that further discussion would have met those concerns (especially since the proposal had been open for so long). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:02, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Well, of course I know that consensus does not work by vote counting, but RFC's do, isn't it (I've experienced a few)?(KIENGIR (talk) 10:17, 1 June 2019 (UTC))

@KIENGIR: the RfC was just reinvigorating the merge discussion. If you are not content with my closure, you could ask someone at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure to review it. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:17, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

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Question about MOS:DABRL

Hi - you gently reverted [[1]] my removal of a red-linked item from a DAB page. I was unaware of the MOS:DABRL guideline and had never done the "what links here" to check for the presence of a red-link in an article for this particular scenario, so thanks for pointing it out. I posted a question on the DABRL talk page before I saw from your user banner that you are a DAB expert, so you are probably right, but I'm wondering whether a list qualifies as an article. It seems that a non-notable entry could spam a dab page and list by simply adding itself to two pages. Whatever the consensus, this at least is an opportunity to tighten the guidelines and remove any inherent vagueness. Cheers. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:46, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Discussion resolved on talk page. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 03:59, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: thanks for kicking off the debate. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:52, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Precipitous rollback

Hi, @Shhhnotsoloud:

I've seen you reverse my edition on the disambiguation page Delegation (disambiguation). I want to explain the reason for my edition. If you carefully review the page, you will see a link to the set index article (SIA) Delegation (computing). This article contains multiple links to related concepts that have the same name in the field of computer science. As you can see, I think it's best to leave only one link to Delegation (computing), as it contains a link to the article I removed—Delegation (object-oriented programming)—from the disambiguation page. Respectfully, --Entalpia2 (talk) 09:16, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

@Entalpia2: OK, I've placed the other 2 computing-related entries underneath the entry for the SIA (so that reader doesn't have to click through the SIA). Thanks, Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:25, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

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Your edits on Taiga (disambiguation) page

You have twice deleted the link I added to the Taiga (disambiguation). You did this even though there was a link to the source of information I've added. You explained your actions in this way - "Reverted to revision 906854376 by Shhhnotsoloud: My changes were not vandalism. An entry on a disambiguation page requires a valid article. References are not appropriate". I've looked through the English Wikipedia rules and did not find among them the statement that "adding a link to non-existent page to disambiguation page of English Wikipedia is completelly, 100% prohibited!" (or anything like that). If I am wrong, please give me link to exact rule or decision because I want to read it by myself. If you will make new edits without answer to my question I will think that you decided to deliberately ignore my question. If you need extra time to answer this question, please write how much time you need and when should I wait for your answer. Shadowcaster (talk) 12:56, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello @Shadowcaster: You will find the guideline at MOS:DABMENTION: "If the topic is not mentioned on the other article, that article should not be linked to in the disambiguation page, since linking to it would not help readers find information about the sought topic." That guideline is part of Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Disambiguation pages which explains that "disambiguation pages help readers find the particular article they want", that is to say that disambiguation pages assist navigation to an article, and are not a list of all uses of a term. For the Taiga rifle to be included as an entry, there needs to be a mention of it in an article in English Wikipedia. I hope that helps. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:23, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

MOS:DABREDIR

FYI: [2] Staszek Lem (talk) 19:32, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

@Staszek Lem: Hello. Yes, but these are partial title matches (WP:PTM) not known solely as "Troyan" and should therefore be in the See also. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:37, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Yes they are known solely as Troyan. For example "Troyan Pass" is a "pass named "Troyan", just as River Thames is "river named Thames". Staszek Lem (talk) 19:42, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

@Staszek Lem: OK. Thanks! Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:45, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

I understand sometimes it is difficult to guess, especially for rare foreign places (even for not so rare ones; eg Syr Darya literally means "Syr River" and "Syr Darya" is a traditional reference in English, but it is still occasionally referred to as simply 'Syr': total diversion of Amu and Syr river flows for irrigation. (Here Amu is Amu Darya, same case) Staszek Lem (talk) 19:52, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

G14 Deletion?

[3] I resisted this RfD one more time to see if consensus arises, you said if the result wasn't disambiguate, to speedy delete another thing per WP:G14. What about if it ends as no consensus? James-the-Charizard (talk to me!) (contribs) 13:43, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello @James-the-Charizard: I don't have an opinion on the substantive issue, so I can't help there I'm afraid. However, the redirect Union of India (disambiguation) currently targets Dominion of India which is not a disambiguation page so the redirect should be deleted WP:G14. I haven't yet nominated it as such in case it's needed to point to a disambiguation page Union of India. So whatever the close, please speedy delete Union of India (disambiguation) unless it's retargeted to a disambiguation page. Thanks, Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:25, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

@James-the-Charizard: Thanks! Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:30, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

No problem! ^v^ James-the-Charizard (talk to me!) (contribs) 19:37, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Manta disambiguation reversion

Hello! Just curious why you reverted my revision 919040357 on Manta. The device is codenamed manta, and the disambiguation page does not exclusively refer to mantarays, so your edit message doesn't make much sense. Thanks! JaredTamana (talk) 16:52, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello @JaredTamana: it's the other way round. The article Nexus 10 says "Also known as Mantaray" (not Manta). "Mantaray" is disambiguated at Manta Ray (disambiguation), where you could add an entry, not at Manta. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:26, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

This is incorrect info, the device is codenamed manta. I will update the main Nexus 10 page to reflect this. https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/manta — Preceding unsigned comment added by JaredTamana (talk • contribs) 01:58, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Removing persons from disambiguation pages

Hi, I noticed that you removed several entries from the dab page Tamar.

Please re-read MOS:DABNAME, and I think you will then agree that the ones that were previously listed under {{solename}} should be reinstated. – Fayenatic London 20:38, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

@Fayenatic london: you may add them back if you wish, but it seems to me to be pointless to maintain a list of name-holders at both pages. Maintaining lists of the same thing in two different articles is rarely a good idea. I noted that Tamar (name) is not Tamar (given name). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:14, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

If in your opinion that part of MOS:DAB is not a good idea, then please discuss it on the talk page. However, that paragraph has been thrashed out in the past by members of the Disambiguation and Anthroponymy WikiProjects. Unless and until it is changed, please would you comply with it? That would include reinstating any valid content from Tamar and other pages which you may have removed in good faith. – Fayenatic London 21:23, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

@Fayenatic london: You may add them back if you wish: I have no formal objection. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:26, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Shhhnotsoloud, I do have a formal objection to you deleting other editors' work, and not reinstating it when it is pointed out to be a mistake. Is this part of a widespread pattern of edits? (I have not looked.) – Fayenatic London 21:34, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

@Fayenatic london: When I have some time I will be challenging your position at MOS:DABNAME, but that need not prevent any changes you wish to make. And do feel free to scrutinize my edits. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:59, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

OK, I have reinstated some of the deleted entries at Tamar, and added others at Tamara. The article Tamar of Georgia#Legacy and popular culture suggests that the works are somewhat notable.

I maintain that it is helpful to navigation to have the people known as "Tamar" on the dab page, not least because the hatnote from Rape of Tamar then provides a quick link to the other notable Tamar in the Bible. – Fayenatic London 09:28, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Question about reverting Silicon Valley from SV disambiguation page

Hi, do you have time for a beginner's question? I wanted to take a baby step by adding Silicon Valley to the SV disambiguation page. I was motivated to do it while reading an article that referred to SV as if everyone knows it -- but it took me a while to figure out they were talking about Silicon Valley. So, I thought it would be helpful to others. Is the reason you reverted it that I should have pasted in a URL for the article I was reading, that used SV in that way? Would I have done that in the talk section? Anything you can tell me would be much appreciated. Siredwardcoke (talk) 19:44, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

@Siredwardcoke: Hello - thank you for asking - sorry my edit summary wasn't very comprehensive. The guidance I referred to (MOS:DABABBREV) says "it is important that each individual entry is referred to by its respective abbreviation within its article". So for Silicon Valley to be included on the disambiguation page, it would need to be clear in the article Silicon Valley that "SV" is an accepted abbreviation. See, for example, Supplementary vote. Regards, Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:28, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

I see -- thank you! So I could suggest an edit to the Silicon Valley article, saying that it's sometimes abbreviated "SV" and providing one or more references to support it. That way, the editor of that page could decide whether it's worth including there. Only then could it be added to the SV page. Siredwardcoke (talk) 01:58, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

@Siredwardcoke: Yes, or you could go ahead and do the edit to Silicon Valley yourself. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:26, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Jatt

Hi, would you mind reverting your move of Jatt, please? I don't think there's a primary topic here, given how common this is a spelling for the ethnic group. – Uanfala (talk) 20:50, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

@Uanfala: I'm working on it right now. Hold on a mo. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:51, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

@Uanfala: I've finished a series of edits to Jat (disambiguation) and other pages that begin "Jat". I've moved Jatt, Israel because it's the only article called Jatt. There is no indication in the article Jat people that the subject is known as "Jatt" but I've put a distinguish hatnote at Jatt anyway. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:11, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Again, "Jatt" is a common spelling of the ethnic group, there's no need for an article to list all trivially identifiable spellings. If there's really any article here with a claim to a primary topic status, then based on pageviews, usage in sources, and the page history of Jatt (which now you've confusingly moved to Jatt, Israel), that will be Jat people. I reckoned a dab page is better given that the pageviews are low anyway (~ 10 a day?), an extra hatnote at Jat people would add clutter, and that it'll be easier to fix incoming links. – Uanfala (talk) 21:18, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

@Uanfala: I very often agree with you, but I couldn't have known that "Jatt" is a common spelling of the ethnic group because it doesn't say so in the article. I think the hatnote at Jatt does the job perfectly well. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:22, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Well, in this case you're welcome to start an RM, and hopefully someone else will come and explain the point better than I can. But you really are expected to revert your move. – Uanfala (talk) 21:29, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

@Uanfala: I will revert my move as you request on the understanding that you will include "Jatt" as an alternative spelling in Jat people to regularise the entry on the disambiguation page. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:39, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Though again – you're completely free to start an RM if you believe there is a primary topic. However, it might be a good idea to wait for a couple of weeks: I've just piped the links on the dab page so they go via redirects that are otherwise almost unused [4], so hopefully the pageviews of these redirects could help us see how many readers click on each link. And as for adding "Jatt" as a spelling variant to Jat people: I don't believe this is necessary as the connection is obvious and here, as in many other topics to do with South Asia, a large number of spelling variants were formerly in use. Of course, you're free to add a mention of this particular spelling, but in that case balance might require adding all other common spellings as well. – Uanfala (talk) 21:21, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

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Why this edition : https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shower_(disambiguation)&oldid=prev&diff=933843377 on the Shower (disambiguation) article. All those are link to article related.

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@Pierre cb: for a number of reasons in MOS:DAB that I have explained in the latest edit. No partial title matches; only one blue link per entry; common uses at the top. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:42, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

I understand for the partial match but not the total elimination. I bit too fast were you? Pierre cb (talk) 15:46, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

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Why did you remove my edit? You stated reasoning for removing CN tags, but not for my edit. XenIsNotVerySmart (talk) 19:54, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

@XenIsNotVerySmart: I assume you're talking about this. Because the article Men's rights movement doesn't mention any of the terms anti-sex, antisex or antisexism. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:14, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Anti-sex

You reverted anti-sex to its previous state (i.e. now it redirects to antisexism and profeminism). Is there a way that Anti-sex in English can mean one of those things? --Yoramus (talk) 18:30, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

@Yoramus: the place for this debate is on the Talk pages of the articles that mention the term. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:46, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

I raised the issue in all the talk pages involved. However, the only article that mentions the term is Sexism after this edit and the reference to pro-feminism wasn't there till this so I hoped you could explain why should 'antisex' refer to anti-sexism in any case, and if so, to pro-feminism in particular --Yoramus (talk) 15:18, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

@Yoramus: I can't explain: I only use the text of articles to compile or clean up disambiguation pages. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:17, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

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Ford, Devon

The lack of a reference in another article is hardly a good reason to remove a red link. I have no experience in creating articles, but the presence of a red link may inspire another contributor to write one. It can be found on Landranger sheet 202, grid reference SX6150, and in the Plymouth A-Z atlas on page 33, believe it or not. Donnanz (talk) 09:52, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

@Donnanz: I sympathise, but the lack of a reference in another article is exactly a reason to remove a red link, per MOS:DABRL. Disambiguation pages are not gazetteers or lists of all possible uses, they are indexes of Wikipedia articles. I don't doubt the place exists, but it's a mention in Wikipedia that counts. List of places in Devon does not mention Ford either. What you could do is edit the Plymouth article, for instance, or another suitable article, and then create Ford, Devon as a redirect to target that article. I can help with that if you wish. Regards, Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:59, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

All right, I have tacked a sentence onto the Holbeton article, but the link will need modifying (so many places named Ford), perhaps you can take things from there? Donnanz (talk) 10:25, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

@Donnanz: OK done. I assume the former Ford (Devon) railway station is in a different place? Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:31, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Ford station was within the city of Plymouth, and Ford is still a suburb of Plymouth separate from Ford near Holbeton. There is yet another hamlet named Ford in South Hams district further east (OS grid ref SX7840); I think we can ignore that one for the time being. It is mentioned on the OS GetOutside website. Donnanz (talk) 10:47, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

@Donnanz: OK - I've added a hatnote to Ford (Devon) railway station. Regards, Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:57, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

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Class 422 hatnotes

Hi - I'm interested to understand your reasons for removal of the hatnotes I placed on the two Class 422 train articles. What made you determine the New South Wales Class 422 as the primary topic between the two? I did consider the issue of primary topic, but between the two, weighing all the issues (links, age, sources, numbers built), they seemed remarkably even on the scale. Regards,--Goldsztajn (talk) 20:19, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

@Goldsztajn: Hello. I redirected 422 class to New South Wales 422 class locomotive because of long-term pageviews [5]. There was nothing wrong with your PROD — your rationale was correct — but I thought "422 class" did seem to be a reasonable Search term and a redirect to a primary topic gets more people to where they wanted to be than a 2-entry disambiguation page. A {{see also}} hatnote is not suitable to be used at the top of an article: it's designed for Sections (see Wikipedia:Hatnote#Hatnote templates). However, your query caused me to look a little deeper, and I found that FS Class 422 redirects to Prussian G 8, so I've amended the hatnote further. Regards, Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:15, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to explain, I can see your rationale. My perception was that the DBAG train was more notable and more prevalent (and FWIW page views on German wikipedia around 4–5x higher than the New South Wales 422 on en wiki) but that the article itself was in far weaker form; hence for me no primary topic. Anyway, we agree that a disambiguation page isn't necessary! Regards,--Goldsztajn (talk) 08:15, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

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C Stock and D Stock

I have resolved the confusion by moving London Underground C Stock and London Underground D Stock to London Underground C Stock (District Railway) and London Underground D Stock (District Railway) respectively, to avoid confusion with their more modern counterparts. Because both me and Thryduulf suggested keeping both redirects in the discussion, I shall shortly be closing the discussion as KEEP and removing the RfD notices on both pages. Thanks, C2A06 (About • Talk • Edits) 10:41, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

@C2A06: thanks, that's a good move, although it still results in C Stock and London Underground C Stock targeting different places. I don't think you can close the RfD because you're WP:INVOLVED. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:48, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

No, I actually changed the redirect of both the original titles to avoid confusion. Thanks, C2A06 (About • Talk • Edits) 10:50, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

@C2A06: Brilliant, thanks. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:51, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

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Have I edited on Germany? I checked the history to find the edit you mentioned but I found nothing. Or you messed it with other article as I also don't remember to do edits on German-related articles. The only thing I remember was the German disambiguation page that I changed the section headline. Sorry for acting as a vandal. --ANONYMOUS USER2003 (talk) 16:32, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

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Hi, I discussed Queen's College with you last year. I have now created my first disambiguation page Stamford College and was wondering if you would be willing to have a look at it. Stamford College, Malaysia does not currently have an article so perhaps I should create a redirect pointing to Stamford International College, which mentions it. Then I could disambiguate the four remaining non talk links to Stamford College to Stamford College, Malaysia. TSventon (talk) 10:39, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

@TSventon: Hello – and thanks for your new page – good job! I found a mention of the Malaysian college so I added it. Also, you can only use a redlink if that redlink appears in the target article (MOS:DABRL). Regards, Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:40, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I had linked Stamford College, Malaysia to Stamford International University as the article says "Stamford College was established in Singapore and Malaysia in 1950". An internet search suggests that the Malaysian branch is now Seri Stamford College and the Singapore branch Stamford Raffles College, Perth, Australia, but I will note that on the talk page. TSventon (talk) 11:14, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Tropical cyclones in 2006 (disambiguation)

Hello. I see that you've nominated Tropical cyclones in 2006 (disambiguation) for deletion. This appears to be a standard redirect to dab, which is useful and doesn't qualify for deletion. Is this a first step to converting Tropical cyclones in 2006 to an article, which would be a welcome change? Certes (talk) 16:45, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello @Certes: and @Narky Blert:. I'm sorry, I was a little hasty, having just G14'd Tropical cyclones in 2007 (disambiguation) and Tropical cyclones in 2005 (disambiguation). There were 3 odd pages in a list for 2005, 2006, 2007. Can we agree to reclassify Tropical cyclones in 2006 as a {{storm index}}? (before I go to the pub...) Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:03, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Sounds good to me, though ideally a subject expert would make it into an article like the others. Certes (talk) 18:07, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

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Military of Ancient Greece

Hey, Shhhnotsoloud I want to make a redirect to a page and I don't know if it is allowed. The redirect is Military of Ancient Greece. If you want to keep it redirected to Ancient Greek warfare, just tell me why. You use the links, I create it. --ANONYMOUS USER2003 (talk) 19:00, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

@ANONYMOUS USER2003: Hello. I'm not sure I understand the question. Military of Ancient Greece is a redirect to Ancient Greek warfare which looks good to me. If you want the redirect to point somewhere else then you can either change it yourself if it not contentious, or use Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion to suggest a change. If you want to write an article to replace the redirect then you can either do that directly by overwriting the redirect, or use Wikipedia:Articles for creation. You can give the draft at AFC an existing title, so you could call it "Military of Ancient Greece". I hope that answered your question: please let me know if it didn't! Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:07, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

I think that Military of Ancient Greece could be a page or at least a subpage. I don't want to change it, I want to create it. --ANONYMOUS USER2003 (talk) 14:09, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

@ANONYMOUS USER2003: see Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:02, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

I don't know if this could help. How can it help? You are a member of a group of Wikipedians that edit redirects. Is it allowed? I checked your link, and didn't find anything helpful. --ANONYMOUS USER2003 (talk) 15:08, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

@ANONYMOUS USER2003: Sorry, I don't understand your question. Can you please ask the question again. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:10, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

The page Military of Ancient Greece is redirected to Ancient Greek warfare. I want it as a non-redirect page to be organized and edited as an article. Shortly, Military of Ancient Greece to be an article, not a redirect. --ANONYMOUS USER2003 (talk) 15:17, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

@ANONYMOUS USER2003:. Yes, Military of Ancient Greece can be an article. Someone needs to write the article. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:38, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

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You added the CSD tag to the target: Severin_Eskeland

Not to the dab page--S Philbrick(Talk) 18:44, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick: thank you for spotting my error. I did indeed mean to tag Severin Eskeland (disambiguation). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:02, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Shhhnotsoloud, That was my guess, but I wanted to make sure. S Philbrick(Talk) 14:38, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

I Can't Stop Me

Hi Shhhnotsoloud, I just received your ping [7], on the talk page of I Can't Stop Me. Apologies for overwriting the dab page and for not putting the hat note. Thank you very much for taking care of it. --Ashleyyoursmile! 09:14, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Palinuus

Hi Shhhnotsoloud, God created time so that everything wouldn't happen at once. Could you at least have given me a couple of days before reverting me? Acad Ronin (talk) 14:17, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

@Acad Ronin: yes, sorry, I hadn't realised that literally only minutes had passed. Thanks for your contributions. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:32, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Soft words turn away wroth. Regards, Acad Ronin (talk) 14:45, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Middleburg

You are right - this got mixed in with hundreds of other dab links to Middelburg. Thanks— Rod ^talk 19:49, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Sock

See also Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive330#New_editor_at_Ludwig_Wittgenstein. PamD 09:17, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Tagging pages for deletion

Hello, Shhhnotsoloud,

You are an experienced editor so I just wanted to remind you that anytime you tag a page for deletion (CSD, PROD, or AFD/CFD/TFD/etc.), you need to post a notice on the talk page of the page creator. I see that you used Twinkle to tag Education in China (disambiguation) but you need to set up your Preferences to "Notify page creator" and then Twinkle will do this automatically for you. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:37, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

@Liz: thank you. Most of the redirects I nominate for G14 are bot creations in good faith that are made redundant by subsequent activity, and I generally don't bother the bot owner so I usually untick the Twinkle option. In this case, though, you're right, the redirect arose from a page move by a human, and I should have notified them (as I do in similar cases). Please rest assured that before I nominate any of these redirects I always check the edit history of the redirect, check the target page and its history to determine why the redirect was created, check and correct incoming links to the redirect, and then nominate. In this particular case the redirect was created in an unusual circumstance as a result of a move arising from an AfD closure–I knew all about it because it was me that created the AfD–where the closer/mover had not suppressed the creation of a redirect. But thanks for the reminder to take care, and thank you too for actually deleting many of my nominations: it is much appreciated. Regards, Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:56, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

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160th Rifle Division (1940 formation)

Hello, Shhhnotsoloud. I reversed your edit on this article because this is a very unusual case of two Red Army rifle divisions sharing the same number for about 18 months. I think it's important for users to immediately understand if they are accessing info on the one or the other. As you mention in your edit, this is hatnote-like text, but I would argue that it's quite different from standard hatnote text in its formatting and appearance so that it will not mislead any users that it is, in fact, a hatnote. I would be happy to discuss reformatting to address any further issues, but IMO including this important note as regular text in the intro is the equivalent of the reporter's bad practice of "burying the lede". Wreck Smurfy (talk) 01:45, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Please see Talk:160th Rifle Division (1940 formation)#Hatnote. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:57, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Notifying creators

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Harnoncourt

I don't why you moved Harnoncourt, a stable redirect to the Primary topic Nikolaus Harnoncourt since 2006?? Please revert that. Would you move Beethoven? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:38, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: On 7 May 2021‎ Aza24 moved page Harnoncourt to Harnoncourt (surname) and then redirected Harnoncourt to Nikolaus Harnoncourt: that is what I reverted. Redirecting a surname to a surname-holder is contentious and needs discussion at an RM. I'm not saying it shouldn't be done: I'm saying it needs discussion first. Harnoncourt is nowhere near as well-known as Beethoven. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:55, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

OK, I drew conclusions. It was created in 2006 as such, NH. - I don't think that Nikolaus Harnoncourt has to be as famous as Beethoven, - the question is: is he among the Harnoncourts the primary? I'd say yes. I guess Aza is experienced in RM and can do one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:12, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

I could do one, but why delay the inevitable? Two of the people are lesser known relatives of Nikolaus, the other two are lesser-known art historians. I did indeed look at the page views, which shows that Nikolaus receives 6 times more page views, daily and yearly (and 10x if we go by all time views). Even if you google Alice (the second highest WP views) [8] vs Nikolaus [9], the latter receives nearly 50 times the amount of results. Not every move requires an RM; what's the point of bold editing otherwise? Aza24 (talk) 19:05, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

I don't know, fully agree that Nikolaus is primary without doubt. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:19, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

@Aza24:. There's nothing wrong here: you were bold; I reverted. The next step under Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle is discuss, and the appropriate way to do that is with an WP:RM. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:44, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

If you version of productivity is reverting someone not because you think they're wrong, but because you think they ought to discuss something (because of Beethoven, for some reason) then yeah sure, "there's nothing wrong here". Aza24 (talk) 21:42, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

How is this, Shhhnotsoloud: you revert your revert, and we see if anybody else thinks Aza's sensible move needs a discussion. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:58, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

@Aza24:@Gerda Arendt: The appropriate place for this discussion is Talk:Harnoncourt, and the appropriate structure for that discussion is an WP:RM#CM of Harnoncourt to Harnoncourt (disambiguation) with Harnoncourt then redirected to Nikolaus Harnoncourt. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 06:55, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

You are stealing the time of all involved in that discussion, and as our time is precious that may even mean the discussion won't come. It could have been so easy. But I'll be quiet now, shhh ... - People die, and leave, and that's where my heart is, not move discussions. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:05, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

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Years in organised crime

Your removal of the hatnotes completely removed all the navigation from the page. Is there any way you could add a navigation in the style of "previous ... next" instead? ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 08:52, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

@1234qwer1234qwer4: yes, I'm working on it! Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:53, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

thanks, though I don't quite see why you wouldn't have done both things in a single run then. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 09:02, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

@1234qwer1234qwer4: I've been removing inappropriate hatnotes for months on these pages, among many others, but manually. Today was my first run of JWB to sweep up the rest, it was a bit of a test run for me. Next step is a template or infobox. But in any event, the {{see also}} is not appropriate at the top of an article. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:09, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

I saw your edits – thanks! ~~~~
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Extraterrestrial Encyclopedia

Hello, Shhhnotsoloud,

Just a reminder that every time you tag a page for deletion (CSD, PROD, AFD/CFD/TFD/etc.), you need to post a notice on the talk page of the page creator (see the message directly above this one for an example). If you use Twinkle to tag pages for deletion and set up your Preferences to "Notify page creator", the program will post these notifications for you which makes thing easy. Please do this in the future if you tag any more pages for deletion. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:26, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Baten Kaitos

You'll be interested in my comments at Talk:Baten Kaitos, I think. Skyerise (talk) 01:59, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

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Mariah Carey is dubbed “Songbird Supreme” not “The Voice”. There are not one great source says that she is the Voice but Songbird!

Mariah Carey is dubbed “Songbird Supreme” not “The Voice”. There are not one great source says that she is the Voice but Songbird! Phạm Huy Thông (talk) 18:39, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

2008 Iwate earthquake

If you look at the two articles, I think you will see which one is primary. One is a short notational article, the other shows that it was extensively covered. --Bejnar (talk) 15:59, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Changing empty section notice to its proper template

Hello,

Just wondering why you made this edit. I know that what I did was non-standard; but I think it looks better that way – more compact. DesertPipeline (talk) 21:36, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

@DesertPipeline: they look the same in my laptop view. Using templates ensures consistency across the encyclopedia, and the template version contains a date. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:37, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Did I forget the date parameter? I didn't notice. Also, the one I had is supposed to show as one line rather than having multiple (and line-breaking in weird places). There's a proposal on Template talk:Ambox to make the left-aligned ambox look like this by default. I guess I should wait for that. DesertPipeline (talk) 09:42, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

redirect change

See Philadelphia Athletics. Your change of a year ago has been undone. Please take it to RFD or if you accept it, the hatnote at the old target needs to be fixed. MB 04:12, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Solar power reassessment

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Robin Hood (opera)(disambiguation)

You might want to {{db-author}} Robin Hood (opera)(disambiguation) - the missing space means that User:DPL bot flagged the link to it as as error. NB the correctly-formatted Robin Hood (opera) (disambiguation) exists (and is now in use, see List of historical opera characters). Narky Blert (talk) 10:14, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@Narky Blert: Roger! Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:55, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

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Valencian (disambiguation)

I and other users have been debating whether to turn Valencian (see talk page) into a disambiguation page or not. Most of us have agreed with it and we're waiting to see if there are other thoughts to proceed to create the disambiguation page. I created the article Valencian (disambiguation) to link it to Valencian in order to display it at Valencian language and Valencians (i.e. Valencian people) in the same way as Spanish, Galician, etc. so I would like to leave it without been deleted if that's OK with you. – Nuvolet (talk)

@Nuvolet: You can re-create Valencian (disambiguation) at any time, when it is appropriate to do so. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:05, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Your recent contributions to CyanogenMod

Hello, I'm Evaline Nakano. An edit that you recently made to CyanogenMod seemed to be a test and has been reverted. If you want to practice editing, please use your sandbox. If you think a mistake was made, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks!

@Evaline Nakano: It was not a test. Please read WP:NAMB: non-one is going to navigate to CyanogenMod when what they really wanted was Cyanogen. You might also be interested in Wikipedia:Don't template the regulars. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:58, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

DAB redlinks

Regarding Columbus Police and Lincoln County Sheriff's Office, it's unusual for a disambiguation page to consist almost entirely of red links with only one or two blue links. MOS:DABRED recommends against including redlinks to pages that probably aren't notable. Maybe I didn't take the correct action, but I'd rather not leave these seas of red lying around: what do you propose instead? -Apocheir (talk) 22:40, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

@Apocheir: and pinging @Leschnei: it may be "unusual for a disambiguation page to consist almost entirely of red links with only one or two blue links" but it is not contrary to guidance. MOS:DABRL does not "recommend against including redlinks to pages that probably aren't notable". These disambiguation pages, which I see Leschnei has worked on, are valid and no action is required. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:37, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

@Apocheir:If I had found either of these articles as a redirect, I wouldn't have changed them. Instead they were lists of red links with no supporting article (mostly). In the past I've had little luck with changing pages like these to redirects; they almost always get reverted. The better choice seemed to be adding links to existing articles, though I'd be happier if those article links didn't just lead to another list of red links! I agree that no change is needed. Leschnei (talk) 12:53, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Nodens format

Hi Shhh (if I may so address you), I saw your formatting at Ring of Silvianus which is definitely for the better. Could you take a look at the layout of the inscriptions at Nodens, which to my eye are really acutely unreadable at the moment? I think we should hide those incomprehensible technical attributions and format the Latin and English much as you did at Ring. Perhaps. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:24, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello Chap. I've had a go, but it might not be better! If you make improvements, remember {{verse translation}} doesn't like special characters like =. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:53, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Mm, yes, I think something much too ambitious was being undertaken with all those alternative interpretations of the Latin characters on fuzzy inscriptions. I've flattened out the Latin to the most probable text and put everything into simple tables. It's fairly obvious what is Latin and what isn't. We could use Lang tags I guess but in a table it's barely worth it. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:28, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Move of "Appius (praenomen)" to "Appius"

I don't understand why you moved this page to an ambiguous title. All articles about Roman praenomina have a consistent titling format, and have since they were created—or at least they did until today. The target title is ambiguous for several reasons; Livy and other Roman writers frequently used "Appius" to refer to members of the Claudian gens who bore this name, from the earliest years of the Roman Republic down to the time of Appius Claudius Caecus, instead of referring to them as "Claudius" or by a surname. Several of them are equally probable targets for a search. Additionally, "Appius" is also a gentile name, and normally the bare nomen would redirect to the article about the gens, except that in this instance it is more likely to refer to one of the individuals mentioned by Roman writers—with no clear primary topic among them. Consistent titling among Roman onomastic articles has also prevented—in most instances—articles being moved to unpredictable titles by biologists who've used random names from Classical dictionaries for various genera of beetles, butterflies, spiders, or fish, something that frequently affects redirects to Roman topics. But while we wait for that to occur, "Appius" should be either a disambiguation page or a redirect to one of the appropriate articles—most likely "Claudia gens", rather than one of its prominent members, or the relatively obscure "Appia gens". This article should go back to its former title, which, by being consistent with all other articles about Roman praenomina, is more readily findable. P Aculeius (talk) 13:23, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

@P Aculeius:. Please take a look at the previous disambiguation page: [10]. What you say above was not reflected on that page. On the face of it, there is only one article that might otherwise be titled "Appius", and disambiguation is therefore not required. But you're an expert in the subject: improvements are always welcome and I won't object. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:40, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Language names and dabs

Hi! Before removing from a dab page an entry for a language (or, probably, for any other type of entity), it's usually a really good idea to first check if that entity is referred to by the dab term. For languages, the easiest way is to go to the linked article, click on the Glottolog entry in the infobox, and then check if that name is found either in the list of dialects (in the tree on the left), or is given as a synonym (click on "Alternative names" under the map on the right). Thanks! – Uanfala (talk) 14:34, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Uanfala: Thank you for the tip. Assuming you're talking about Akurio language, there's no mention of "Wama" at the article and no redirect pointing to it. If a language is going to have an entry on a disambiguation page, the target article really needs a mention of the term, or at the very least a redirect. If the alternative name doesn't deserve either a mention or a redirect, a dab page entry can't be justified either. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:44, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

You're more than welcome to create redirects or add mentions :) One reason I posted here is that the Wama situation is not uncommon: for language names on Wikipedia, the infrastructure (dab entries, redirects) is still generally better developed than the content (mentions in articles). – Uanfala (talk) 14:50, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

@Uanfala: Thanks, I take your point. It just seems odd to deliberately create a disambiguation page entry which fails MOS:DABMENTION. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:54, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Well, the people who have been creating the navigation infrastructure around languages (or rather, mostly that one very prolific person) have cared more for language articles being discoverable and less for the fine points of dab guidelines. I agree with your view that this situation is not optimal. I also understand why editors who care more about the dab guidelines and less about the language articles may get tempted to achieve compliance with the MOS by the easiest route (removing the entries); I hope you'll appreciate that such removals don't make the encyclopedia a little better, they make it a little worse.

The overall situation – dab entries without mentions – is set to gradually improve over time: as articles get expanded, content about nomenclature will eventually get added as well, though that's going to take more than a couple of years. – Uanfala (talk) 00:15, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:51, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

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Wadi el Maleh

Please dont remove important info from the article. Please use article talk page is you have objections. Loew Galitz (talk) 17:15, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Page-mover competency

Your recent page-moving activity at "Dark Red" was not done with the competence I expect from editors with page-mover rights.

1. Dark Red is not a redirect to a disambiguation page.

2. Talk:Dark Red is a circular redirect.

You should not rely entirely on the swap tool to do all the necessary edits to implement the establishment of a new primary topic. Please check the work of this tool and clean up after it by doing the things it didn't do. Thanks, wbm1058 (talk) 03:24, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@Wbm1058:. Thank you for your sternly-worded reminder. I have corrected my mistakes. Thank you for your work in trapping these errors. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:57, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Manuel Mascarenhas Homem (disambiguation)

Hi,

you have proposed a deletion on this page because there is already a hatnote on both of the page. This is a good reason to delete the page.

But at the same time, you wrote a comment which makes me doubt : "assuming they're different people!". The 2 people are differents. One is born in 1600, the other one was governor of Permanbucano in 1596.

Maybe we should improve the disammbiguation page, so if someone think this is the same person, they won't be mistaken. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roniee (talk • contribs) 16:27, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@Roniee: Thank you, that's helpful. What would be better is if the dates of birth/death were on the individual articles. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:19, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Muhir223

@Muhir223: You emailed me:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism You mentioned Serbs and Armenians as martyrs of... racism? Are you serious man? The same CAUCASIAN Serbs who killed 8.000+ Bosniaks in a span of 24 hours in Srebrenica, how about mentioning human zoos, colonisation and genocide of Bosniaks instead of these biased bullshit.

I have no idea what you are talking about: perhaps you confused me with someone else. Please don't email me but discuss here. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:39, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

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