User talk:Sarvagnya/Archive 17

Siddhis of Karnataka

On 19 July, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Siddhis of Karnataka, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 19:50, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Congrats on the DYK. Remember to also add new article you create to WP:INBIN.Bakaman 23:28, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

On July 25, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Abbakka Rani, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Well done. Karnataka moves from strength to strength. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 09:10, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Unsourced Information

Which one you are calling as unsourced information.

The history of ancient veerashaiavas, what i have given are having sources and also metioned information regarding them, but someone deleted my information. Do yoiu think ruling regarding kashi peetha is unsourced. Veerashaivism is not only the Panchacharyas or Basava, it is a broad practice. Basava is a great reformer, had given enormous amount of contribution to veerasahaivism, but one should not call him as founder, even cannot attribute that also, because history is history. Putting up points like this emotional facts, will really spoil history of veerashaivism. Nobody should write like this facts. Also people trying to suppress the actual facts. it is not the fair practice.

Yes one thing, I say this will divide already divided veerashaiva society, keep one thing in mind nobody in this age of IT bothers about money. When people has to unite and show solidarity against the vested interests. If educated people creates rift in the society, then it will be disasterous.

July 2007

Please do not attack other editors, which you did here: Thiruvalluvar Statue. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Calling edits vandalism without reason is a personal attack Lotlil 02:19, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Copy vio

You haven't responded to my comment on the article talk page. Where is the copy vio ? In the text ? The source website clearly releases all its text in GFDL. Where is the problem? Calling editors vandals without explaining your reversions is personal attack. Lotlil 02:45, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

This was the source and it says "Copyright © 1979-2007 Himalayan Academy. All rights reserved.". What are you talking about? Sarvagnya 02:50, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Some things to think about

Sarvagnya my friend,

You seem unconvinced sri lankan government perform state terrorism:

I know you are a reasonable person and here is some food for thought:

During the initial phase of the conflict Indian observers of the Sri Lankan scene explained away the violence as a response to state terrorism. (Frontline Magazine (Hindu) 2002) [1]

The core problem in Srilanka is one of identity. The Tamils want to preserve their identity. The Sinhalas want to overrun it. No solution has emerged ever since Srilanka became a republic almost sixty years ago. [2] from A.K. Verma chief of RAW during IPKF time (analysis on SAAG, 2007).

• Remember the Sinhala government sided with the terror state of Pakistan during the 1971 war. They gave full access to their ports and air facilities to Pak military. Pak bombers refueled on bombing runs into and out of West Bengal theater. How many Indian soldiers\' lives could have been saved if Colombo was neutralized ??

• Lanka has brought in Chinese government and military help to build Hambantota port in the south, (thats where the Lankan president is from). (2006-

• Lanka has allowed Chinese military firms to setup factories and listening posts in lanka (2006-).

• Lanka airforce planes are flown by PAk pilots for hire (2006-).

• Pak is the main conduit for Sri Lankan military supplies (2006-).

• ISI has setup intelligence gathering posts in East and in Colombo to foster ties with lankan Muslims. You know what this is for ? (2005 - )

Our military analysts believe Pak/china axis want to destabilize the south using Lanka as launching pad (with Sri Lankan government help of course).

• Do you know how many Hindu temples were flattened by Sri Lankan governments ? 1500 - 2000 over the last 10-15 years.

At first all these facts will look unbelievable, but there are reliable Indian sources for all these info and I leave it for you to investigate and understand.

Sarvagnya, if you are a true Indian patriot, please consider all these facts carefully before siding with people who you don\'t know very well!

Your truly,

Suspect Licensing

Why is the licensing of the Saare Jahan Se Achcha image suspect? I have provided the publisher and the page number and the same are also provided on the Columbia University, Dept. of South Asian Studies Website. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 20:03, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Because it is replaceable fair use (see the tag that I've added to the image). Its not like that image is Iqbal's own calligraphy or something(and hence of historical value). It is in all probability the work of a local calligrapher and any calligrapher should be able to create it. Also, we already have the Urdu transliteration in the article and the image doesnt add anything of significance to the article. Sarvagnya 20:12, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

re: Hi

Thanks for the welcome, Sarvagnya. FWIW, I take note of the fact that you're now been cleared of sockpuppetry allegations and I take note of it. In the past, I only went by Checkuser reports (which got subsequently superseded).

The "courtesy" that I was referring to in my "polite" comment is to have pinged Arvind before removing the references, more so given that WP:CITE#HOW clearly states "Articles can be supported with references in two ways: the provision of general references – books or other sources that support a significant amount of the material in the article – and inline citations, that is, references within the text, which provide source information for specific statements. Inline citations are needed for statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, including contentious material about living persons, and for all quotations." (emphasis added) The references that you removed--[3], [4], and later [5]-- relate to the grammar section which is normally non-contentious.

As for the Tolkaappiyam citation, see Tamil_language#_ref-34. Yes, it refers to Tolkaappiyam itself but the policy is to cite the source which one used to find. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 08:15, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

• Its one thing to use sources and another thing to dump a whole collection your fave books under refs. It borders on WP:ADVERT. As for ref-34, it says "^ Freeman, Rich (February 1998). "Rubies and Coral: The Lapidary Crafting of Language in Kerala". The Journal of Asian Studies 57 (1): 38-65 at p.39.". So, you might want to check again. And in any case, I'm not sure we should be using primary sources(even if it was not a palm leaf manuscript) to write articles. If you're telling me that you wrote the grammar section based on your reading(and understanding) of the Tolkappiyam(!), I must say, that it simply amounts to OR.

• • To me, that points to citation no 69, which is to Tolkaappiyam. The reference in question is not Tolkaappiyam the book, but a book containing Tolkaappiyam text with a commentary. And I didn't write the grammar section, by the way. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 09:52, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

• As for the sock allegations, I'd have expected an admin like you to atleast go through all the RFCUs (i've lost count of how many have been filed against me) and not just the one that was most convenient for your attempts at 'poisoning the well'. The concerned admins too were only a ping away, I'm sure. That being the case, the fact that you chose to throw in such insinuations while at the same time asking for my block on an unrelated issue, should leave no doubt in anybody's mind that you were trolling. Also, the 'personal copy' that I delivered to you was not because I want you to take 'note' of it and do me any favour, but because I want you to take note of it and do yourself a favour; coz, I wont take very kindly to any more attempts at trolling from you. Thanks. Sarvagnya 09:18, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Sritattvanidhi

I have started a discussoion at the Wikiproject Hinduism talk page as Slokas relate more with Hinduism than India.--Redtigerxyz 12:16, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

You may start the debate at WP:IN.--Redtigerxyz 12:50, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I loved your clever solution to UNDUE weight problem though I have reinstated the Unreliable tag you removed as no new ref was added when removing the tag.--Redtigerxyz 12:58, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Sources

Hello, I've added a section on primary sources to the Economy of ancient Tamil country article. Let me know if there are any other concerns.Lotlil 05:55, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Section title in Sivasubramaniam Raveendranath

Given what is verifiably known, the title of the section should be "Disappearance"; writing it as "Kidnapping" was an oversight on my part. Thanks for fixing it. — Black Falcon ^(Talk) 00:26, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On August 9, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Kupgal petroglyphs, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Wow! really weird! Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:59, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Template:DvaitaismInfobox

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Question about a name

Would like your help with something - is the name "Venatappa" a common one in Karnataka (as with this guy), do you know anyone else who has this name ? Tintin 18:43, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I think it should be Venkatappa. I've never heard of a Venatappa either in Karnataka or anywhere else. I think its a typo. Sarvagnya 19:04, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Only Venatappa I see in Google is this person. If this indeed is a typo, it has to be corrected everywhere, from ICC website to Cricinfo mirrors. Gnanapiti 19:11, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I think the best source for this would be the "Indian cricket year book" (I have forgotten who publishes it.. my guess is its from the house of my favourite paper). It has a complete section on 'Who's who of Indian cricket'. I once had the copy of 1988 or something. I dont know if they still publish it. But somebody in India should be able to hunt down a copy. Sarvagnya 19:20, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. That exactly is the problem that I am chasing and thanks for the confirmation that it must be a typo. The problem is that the "very reliable sources" (Wisden, Cricinfo, Cricketarchive) have no "k" (may have probably copied each other). A few Indian sources do have his first name as Venkatappa (for eg, Vedam Jaishankar's 2004 book on the history of Karnataka cricket - "Casting a spell") but our reliability requirements mean that we have to mention both. I have a few issues of Hindu's Indian Cricket but they have full names only for active players. So planning to move the article to "VM Muddiah" as his name was often used with initials and then mention both versions of the first name and sources. Thanks again. Tintin 01:16, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Flags...

I will happily help to remove flags. But is your intention really to remove flags from EVERY single page? Actors singers etc? Regards, --Shahid • ^Talk2me 17:52, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I've been removing flags now from every person page. Olease answer me the question cause I'm not sure. --Shahid • ^Talk2me 22:25, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi Sarvagnya, I noticed you removing a flag icon from a place of birth in a bio article. This has been a pet peeve of mine, and I've been removing a few also. Just so they don't keep getting added back, I also add hidden comments (using the comment tags) in the line above the birth place in the infobox. Comment says "Do not add flag icons to place of birth/death, per Wikipedia:Don't overuse flags". You can see what I mean by going to Mahatma Gandhi and looking at the infobox in the edit view. I don't plan on going on a flag icon delete spree, but if the repeat icon adders come across that comment enough, it should stop it once and for all. And Shshshsh, the main place that it's strongly discouraged is next to places of birth and death in biography articles, in the infobox. ॐ Priyanath talk 22:36, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

ICFI

I am removing the HOAX and OR tags from ICFI because no comments have been made on the talk page to justify those tags. --Duncan 10:40, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Allegations of state terrorism in Sri Lanka

Hello

You recently reverted and removed cited material on the above page. Please discuss the reason behind the revert and removal. Thanks. Watchdogb 21:16, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Another milestone in Portal: Karnataka

We have reached yet another milestone in the Karnataka WikiProject today when the 75th DYK related to Karnataka has been featured on the main page of Wikipedia.. You can see the entire list here. 25 more to go to make it a century.

Thanks a lot for your contributions in making this happen -- ¿Amar៛^{Talk to me/My edits}03:54, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Very pleased. We should perhaps look at getting the portal itself featured one of these days. Sarvagnya 04:02, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

no legal threats explanation

As someone who often ends up seeing the result of what happens AFTER the editor makes legal threats, I wanted to tell you that I support Moreschi's block. We simply do not tolerate them, with warning or without. Threats cause a chilling effect on the encyclopedia. If the user wants to make legal threats, they are more than welcome to refer them to me through the OTRS system and we'll deal with them there. In the meantime, until their legal situation is resolved, they will remain blocked. ⇒ SWATJester ^{Denny Crane.} 18:57, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Exactly. Legal threats are grounds for a block until they are retracted. Warning is optional.--Isotope23 ^talk 19:04, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Abuse and Remedy

Look at the first para of Rgveda, there was a wrong reference to Max Muller which I had corrected, but DAB removed the whole thing just because I touched it (just when Moreschi banned me). My action was perfect, but DAB has asked me many a times to leave Wiki and start my own web site ! Why he behaves like so ? What should I do ? I had issued the legal warning to draw attention of others, but no one is asking him to observe WP:CIVIL and not to remove well sourced contributions. See DAB's threat on my talk page which says I will lose if I opt for arbitration (against his abuses and reverts), and see my previous complaints in talk page of Moreschi (and Abecedare), and Moreschi's unsympathetuc answer yesternight that no Wikipedian will sympathise with me. I did not know issuing legal warning is illegal and illegal abuses is legal in Wiki, because I joined just one month ago. But it does not mean I am one month old, students guided by me decades ago are heads of departments and I am now "insane, silly, crackpot, &c" according to DAB. I have no intention of going to court, but DAB is making it impossible for me to work. -Vinay Jha 22:01, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Today I made a few edits to Rgveda for which received abuses {spoilt child) and threats at my talk page. He again inserted an unsourced statement about Rgveda dating in the introduction, after removing a well sourced statement. You said you were watching my edits. See svadhyaya which is Buddhipriya's creation, watch how this article changed after I joined it. It was difficult for me to add an entire section on a theme which had not any source at all in western English literature. Buddhipriya was tolerant, hence a well sourced article about a neglected theme has come into being. Had DAB been there, I would have abused away in the very beginning. I am planning to add complete lists of all Brahmana gotras (community-wise), with shakha,moola,pravara,etc of every division of Brahamana. Work on Maithil Brahamana has already begun. I possess enough material (mostly Sanskrit and Hindi, there is no reliable and exhaustive list is English)), but much of my time ia being wasted by DAB's campaign against me. -Vinay Jha 14:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Template:Raja Yoga

User:Lara bran is edit warring with me by insisting on placing a template that duplicates information on the Yoga template on many pages. Aside from just duplicating the Yoga limbs, it also includes links to thinks that are not clearly related to Raja Yoga. This editor is also very interested in sexual content on Kama Sutra, and many other sex-related articles. Can you take a look? Buddhipriya 05:13, 20 August 2007 (UTC)