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October

Ballet

Hi, i see that you are a member in Wiki-project Sweden, and that you are interested in Ballet? I don't know if you are interested in the history of this subject. But if you are, they are some articles in Swedish wikipedia, that would deserve to be translated to English Wikipedia, so i thought i should suggest it; Ulrika Åberg , Louis Deland and Hedvig Katarina Hjortsberg all deserve to be mentioned as Sweden's first dancers. Louis Gallodier , Julie Alix de la Fay , Giovanna Bassi and Sophie Daugin belonged to the foreigners that developed the Royal Swedish Ballet in Sweden. Karolina Bock was important not only as a ballerina, but also became a principal in Dramatens elevskola and very influential. In Denmark, Anine Frölich was the first ballerina - an article in Danish can be found in the references on Caroline Halle-Müller . Well, i don't know if you are interested in this! If you aren't interested in giving them that much time, i suppose they would be finnished by others if you started them. Anyway - only suggestions, when a saw you're interest in the subject! Best wishes! — 85.226.235.164 17:58, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Tack för tipsen (thanks for the tips!) But who are you? — 85.226.235.164 is your IP …

Yes, that is my IP! I'm from Sweden, as you've probably guessed, but i don't really have the time to write much myself here. Bästa hälsningar! — 85.226.235.164 21:48, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

For the most part I direct (and occasionally) translate Swedish, Danish and Norewegian plays here in New York (in English.) Current work in progress is a play about Astrid Lindgren to be performed on her birthday, November 14th; she would've been 100. Friends and I are planning a four year celebration beginning in 2009 and leading up to Strindberg's centenary in 2012, so it'll be a while before I do much translating between Swedish and English Wikipedia. Do you have a Wikipedia user i.d. on sv.wikipedia.org (I assume you don't on en.wikipedia.org) or do you always log in as 85.226.235.164 there as well? MVH

I see, good luck with your project! That was just suggestions, perhaps someone will wright about them sometime, or at least start them- If you look at them, they aren't very developed at Swedish Wikipedia yet, but articles will alway be finnished by others if someone start them. I have no user ID at Swedish Wikipedia; i do edit sometimes, but, i don't really have the time, so i try to keep away. Anyway - Stort lycka till! Perhaps you, or someone else, will start the articles someday in the future! — 85.226.235.164 19:53, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

LOL!

I live in Boston, so that doesn't help me now, but if I ever move to New York, I'll keep that in mind. — J-ſtan ^Talk _Contribs 01:50, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

November

New York Ballet (sic)

The New York City Ballet 's schedule isn't encyclopedic, but more suitable for their website. Can you please remove the information? Encyclopedias aren't the places people go to find out "what's happening" at a venue. — David Shankbone 14:41, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Agreed; I was in the process of replacing the current season rep. with their repertory of all ballets as your message arrived. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robertgreer 15:06, 1 November 2007 (UTC) [to Shankbone's discussion page; it is being crossposted here for the sake of completeness.] — Robert Greer

Could I ask that we discuss the NYCB entry before you remove things? The list you removed links to entries for the ballets in their repertory. NYCB has the largest rep. of any dance company in the world, so the list is long. I have discussed with scholars, ballet teachers (of a very high level) and choreographers what they think would be most useful on Wikipedia and modelled this entry on their suggestions. If the restoration of the rep. section is not acceptable to you, I've noticed that there is a seperate category of lists; might I move this to a seperate list and use a SEE ALSO section to connect to it (without worrying that it will be summarily deleted)? — Robert Greer 18:00, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

The problem on New York City Ballet is we have one short paragraph of history, and a gargantuan amount of lists. What you should do is form something like Category:New York City Ballet Repertory . You could also write a paragraph on them being a largest repertory. But a list, in and of itself, is not particularly notable, unwieldy, and too long. — David Shankbone 18:22, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Cross posted from User talk:David Shankbone/Archive 8#New_York_City_Ballet

Incorrect application of "Featured article" templates

Greetings. I notice that you've added the "This is a featured article in the [ … ] Wikipedia" message to a large number of articles. I've gone through your edits and it turns out that none of these articles had been graded as such on the relevant wikipedias. Being a Featured article requires that the article in question must live up to a specific list of requirements, and very few articles reach this rank at all. E.g. the English Wikipedia has 2 million articles but less than 2,000 of them have been graded as Featured Articles, and the entire list of all Featured Articles on the Swedish Wikipedia is here , as you see, it is a very short list, and the Danish Wikipedia doesn't even award this grade at all. The template in question is not intended to be used simply to show that another Wikipedia has a longer article on the subject. It is intended to be used exclusively for articles that have been assessed as having the highest encyclopedic quality by their respective Wikipedias.

I've cleaned up your edits, but please don't use this template again unless you are 100% sure that an article has indeed been graded as FA on another wikipedia. Have a nice day. — Valentinian ^{T / C} 11:27, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

My incorrect — and accidental — use of FA template

I am very sorry; I've never knowingly applied the FA template to anything! If I did so by accident I thank you for taking the trouble to remove it. The only templates I wittingly apply are those for the WikiProjects Ballet, Dance, Echo, Swedish, Norwegian and Danish. My apologies and thank you again for cleaning up the mess I made.

On further examination I believe that you may have mistaken the WikiProject Echo markup {{FAOL|language name|article name}} for that of a Featured Article; did you perhaps do a global search or find and replace just on the letters FA?

I believe that you were mistaken.

The first example I find of your editing out what you took to be unauthorized use of a Featured Article markup is in the article on the Swedish poet, playwright and member of the Swedish Academy, Kristina Lugn . The order in which you altered the relevant talk pages may be different than the order in my "contributions" list, as I made some slight changes to the Lugn entry more recently than her discussion. In any event, you replaced:

{{WikiProject Sweden}} {{WikiProject Theatre}} {{FAOL|Swedish|sv:Kristina Lugn}

with:

{{WikiProject Sweden}} {{WikiProject Theatre}}

FAOL is in fact a WikiProject Echo template, not a Featured Article. May I ask that you undo this and any other FAOLs you removed?

I've not made any of the edits you suggest. WikiProject ECHO is/was a project that created notifications to editors to allow them to easily locate articles of the highest encyclopedic quality on other Wikipedias. This template was applied to a number of articles that did not live up to these (rather strict) quality criteria. Project banners that merely serve as "advertisement" for different projects (Project Ballet e.g.) doesn't constitute a problem, so I let them be. But the FAOL template cannot be compared to the mere "advertisement" banners. I've posted a more detailed reply on my talk page. — Valentinian ^{T / C} 15:50, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Mea maxima culpa! I misunderstood your original message to be referring to the Featured Articles that appear on Wikipedia's Main Page; and, upon closer reading, misunderstood as well Wikiproject Echo's intended use of [[en:PAGETITLE]] vs. {{FAOL|language name|article name}}; it is the former I should've been using. In my own defense I can only say I wish that Wikiproject Echo had a bit clearer instructions with respect to points 1(c), 1(e), 1.1 and 1.2 but this is a poor excuse for the work I put you to. I will religiously use [[en:PAGETITLE]] and [[dk:PAGETITLE]] etc. in the future.

No harm done and it was pretty easy to fix. I've seen things that were much much worse. But yes, the interwiki links is the tool you are looking for. Happy editing. — Valentinian ^{T / C} 23:46, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

BTW the standard practice for interwiki links is to simply add them to the bottom of the articles rather than to the "See also" sections. They are normally listed alphabetically after the "Categories" coding. See e.g. George I of Greece for a good example of how this is done. The interwiki links is the list beginning with :: [[ca:Jordi I de Grècia]] :: [[da:Georg 1. af Grækenland]] :: [[de:Georg I. (Griechenland)]] :: [[et:Geórgios I]] :: [[el:Γεώργιος Α΄ της Ελλάδας]] :: [[es:Jorge I de Grecia]] :: (etc) — Valentinian ^{T / C} 23:56, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you!

PS It appears that the notation should be [[:da:Tim Rushton]] with a leading colon, rather than [[da:Tim Rushton]] ; this according to Interwiki ; see the paragraph ending … and [[:de:InterWiki]] (former syntax: [[DeWikipedia:InterWiki]] ) appears as de:InterWiki. There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding of this change in the form of two letter language markups followed by a colon but lacking the leading one. And these invalid codes do not show up at all unless you happen to be editing the entire page — or the last section — not if you're editing an earlier section as would most often be the case!

Yes and no. The reason why you sometimes see the notation with the leading colon is because the colon deactivates the actual interwiki link. This allows editors to mention links in debates and similar without actually activating them on pages where they don't naturally belong. But when you need the link to actually work (at the bottom of an article) you need to write it without the leading colon. — Valentinian ^{T / C} 16:11, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I just noticed your edit to Tim Rushton . Adding the interwiki link with the preceding colon creates a duplicate list of links at the bottom of the page (both in the box at the bottom-left corner of your screen and at the bottom of the actual article), but this is not standard Wikipedia practice. Please use the notation mentioned at the last paragraph of Interwiki#Notations , i.e. without the preceding colon. — Valentinian ^{T / C} 16:25, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Just det, tusen tack!

Romeo † Juliet

Sorry for my premature removal of your link to the ballet, now that I understand such a ballet really exists of course the line is fine. Does the fact that the ballet is being called Romeo † Juliet (as opposed to Romeo AND Juliet) indicate some similarity to Luhrman's film version? — Capmango ( talk ) 04:12, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

December

Thanks

Just a quick note to say thank you. I've noticed little improvements in some of my articles and I wanted to say I show my appreciation. Thanks. — Tanyawade 09:23, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Ballet

No problem. It was a side-effect of finding a coypright violaton on Ronnie Tober , who sang Morgen (song) and then fixing the wrong incoming links to Morgen an old unit of measurement. Cheers. — CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 16:25, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Your actions concerning Afternoon of a Faun

Thanks for the note at my user page, Robert. I now understand something more about this. But I have to say it's most irregular! Please don't redirect again from talk Afternoon of a Faun , since editors may want to discuss that article, even if it is just a redirect. Nothing is lost by leaving that talk page intact, and clarity and order are gained.

May I ask that in future you use the standard means to get discussion on such moves? The only moves that are considered uncontroversial, and so exempt from the usual posting of a warning and an invitation to discussion, are those involving a spelling error or similar glitch. See Wikipedia:Requested_moves#Uncontroversial_proposals . I still don't know how you achieved all of this quite as you did. You are not an admin, are you? So what admin assisted you? They should have known better!

Anyway, provided things are kept regular and consultative from now on, I'll raise no more objections. Please post a short explanation at Talk:Afternoon of a Faun (ballet) and Talk:Afternoon of a Faun (Nijinsky) , so that other editors are not left in the dark as I was.

Best wishes to you. —  Noetica^♬♩  Talk 06:02, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Well done, Robert. I understand your good intentions, and fully accept your explanation. Myself, I am more concerned with the music, and especially the literary underpinnings in Mallarmé's poem (of which I have made my own metred and rhymed translation). So I don't follow all of the political manoeuvres and entrechats in identifying the various choreographies. I can only watch in fascination.

No, I am not an administrator. Just a conscientious editor. — Robert Greer

All the best for your work with the ballet articles. I'll have a look from time to time. —  Noetica^♬♩  Talk 21:32, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Sweden, eh? Sounds great. Other poets? O, I do all sorts of strange translations, when I have the inclination and energy. Various languages, various periods. —  Noetica^♬♩  Talk 10:31, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Petipa

What was it? (I can't seem to find it.) — jj137 ^♠ 02:51, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Ok, well thanks. — jj137 ^♠ 02:57, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Albert Evans

Hi, thanks for your message. Albert Evans (dancer) is a very worthwhile article, I think, and I'm happy to have helped even in a very small way. Good luck with all the other New York City Ballet articles! Seasons greetings. — Malcolmxl5 ( talk ) 20:41, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

norsk

ja, jeg kan litt norsk - og jeg så på din side at du kan det likevel. Som forklaring - faren min bodde i Norge i flere år (før jeg var født), og som barn hadde jeg mange norske venner i England - også nå har jeg mange norske voksne venner! Jeg har aldri bod i Norge, men jeg har reist dit flere gange på ferie, og likevel med jobb. And I wish you luck with the serial-comma can of worms! Hiding to nothing, I'd say — Snalwibma ( talk ) 09:31, 29 December 2007 (UTC)