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August 2022 (2)

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 week for violating the conditions of your unblock by publishing your own AfC submissions (arguably complies with creations through AfC but not with vetted by AfC, which implies review by others) and engaging in personal attacks (your unfounded accusation of WP:DISRUPT against The Banner), immediately after a block and unblock for another violation of your unblock conditions. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.   -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 23:43, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

NeverTry4Me (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

I informed Justiyaya about the drafts which can be found here [1] and did as per the discussion. For more than 2 weeks WP:VILL reviewers are not active, I took responsibility for other drafts as per WP:RS and WP:THREE, further went ahead by editing Draft:El Purial for acceptance. I believe this block was not necessary without checking the discussion with my mentor. Regarding ""personal attacks", it is not, as I haven't used any non-encyclopedic word. Further, the AFC edits (though done as per WP:RS and WP:THREE, and no rules I found preventing accepting the drafts) are already reverted by blocking admin. Further, I have redacted and apologized to Banner, the blocking is no longer necessary. I request to consider the block as mooted.

Decline reason:

Unfortunately, the more I read of what you have written relating to this block, and your responses to messages about it, the more it becomes clear that you either don't understand or don't accept the reasons for the block. JBW (talk) 20:49, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

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If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

• Justiyaya was presumably unaware that you are prohibited from publishing your own drafts, or forgot this. You, as the person under the editing restriction, are the one expected to know it and abide by it. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 23:54, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

@Tamzin: I don't think so as Justiyaya was assigned my mentor after my first block and I used to ask many things while editing. I was writing my reply to deepfriedokra's talk page, but I got the message that again it happened. This is really disappointing. Particularly, when I do good work none appreciates it. For example, I have added more than 2000 citations to unsourced article's claims, but none even appreciated that nor anyone gave me a citation barn. But if I do a single mistake, users use to jump as I have just made Wiki invisible from the web. Regards _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 00:02, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Further, the geocode of Casuarina Senior College is -12.3834697, 130.8740063, but Banner reverted that too. If my intention was to disrupt, I wouldn't have added "search keyword" based unreferenced section, which is usually not practiced by most editors leaving it hard to search and find citations, for ease of finding resources. I don't understand while my contributions are really working to get citations, how it becomes a disruption for some editors. Thanks for reverting AfC pages. _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 00:17, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Comment: @Deepfriedokra: I can't reply on your talk page because of this. Hence accept the reply regarding your talk page mentions. I can't accuse Justiyaya as they were assigned as my mentor after the very first unblock by you. When confused, if I don't ask my mentor or IRC help channels, then where? I first went to IRC help channels, (hope you have access to logs), but none were alive there to reply, then I asked Justiyaya. Further, my edit habits pushed again me to improve Casuarina Senior College issues (mentioned above). If improving is disruptive, then what I have left here to do? _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 00:42, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

When you click on the geolocation, Google Maps put the pointer on about the centre of the school building. If that is incorrect, I really like to know what you expect from geolocation. Do you know that there are multiple options for the notation of the geolocation? See: Wikipedia:WikiProject Geographical coordinates#Implementation details. The Banner talk 00:45, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

@The Banner Your geocode brought to this-> 61 Parer Dr Via, Moil Cres, Moil NT 0810, Australia. About your allegation of WP:DE, please check the edit history properly. Adding sources, adding "search keywords" are not disruptive. You are accusing me without checking my citation adding history. _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 00:52, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

That is the school's address, NT4M. That said, the unblock condition violation wasn't being wrong about the coördinates. Everyone makes mistakes. The violation was using the edit summary "removed WP:DISRUPTIVE"—a personal attack given the lack of any disruption—in removing The Banner's explanation of what you did wrong. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 01:03, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

@Tamzin: my mistake was I was taking the sole burden to improve the page (page history about citations), as none did. Everyone just opined and left, but none even tried to improve the page with a single citation. How it is disruptive if I add citations, use "search keywords" for ease of finding sources, and trying to find the exact geocode as I see the college on map(but was failing to grab the exact geocode)? Why does none look at my citations which improved many unsourced articles? None cared to encourage me for those contributions but seems everyone here just trying to grab a mistake made by me. If a mistake is considered disruptive and led to a block, then please block me permanently. I always said, I make mistakes but do not repeat them (as I didn't edit further after Banner's work) and my edits are here to improve. While trying to improve an article, often mistake happen to everyone. Such repeating blocks are pushing me back, and increasing stalkers. What is the outcome of a repeated block? Just preventing me to improve articles!!! If improving or trying to improve articles here is disruptive and reason to get blocked, then I must be blocked forever, so it should be a lesson to me and others who are improving articles. _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 01:19, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

It was black letter restriction. A bright line to not be crossed. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 01:33, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

@Deepfriedokra: I might have unknowingly crossed some restrictions, but I, being aggressive to improve an article shouldn't be considered as WP:DE. _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 01:42, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

@Tamzin By the "edit summary "removed WP:DISRUPTIVE" I meant "I made some wrong near to disruptive and as alerted I have stopped and removing this as I don't want a continuation of a discussion of this." But it is understood otherwise, which is obvious as I should have added the proper line no matter-how long it goes. Had I been disruptive, I wouldn't have added citations to the page and aggressively trying to grab the exact geocode. _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 01:54, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

This is all quite contentious. It is not the conduct I was hoping for. Unblock conditions, just as a reminder-- "All new article creations through AfC and vetted by AfC before main spacing. One edit per day per AfD thread. And please, avoid losing your temper/ being rude/ making personal attacks/not assuming good faith when under stress -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 02:27, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

A week for the second unblock condition violation in so short a time. 1 week is quite mild. Please take time to reflect on all of this. Note to reviewing admin-- let it ride. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 02:29, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

@Deepfriedokra If not considered for unblock, this block count will push me for 8 more months. Better I shall get out of Wiki accepting blocks as the reward for my contribution. :( _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 02:42, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

@Deepfriedokra I have already undid that edit, you can see that I have undid, further while I have not repeated any mistake (except trying to improve the Casurina college), a warning would have stop me. I have never crossed the limit you set for me. The 3 AfC things was also a mistake for which I shall not be blamed for as I provided the discussion link with Justiyaya. Had they adsiced me to not do, as myself said I don't want(the discussion link is proof), the mistake wouldn't have happened. I haven't used any non-encyclopedic words, instead many user still using abusive for me (if nonsensical word is allowed here, then none is abusing me). The IRC help channels are evident, how I use to take help before doing any edit, where I get confused). What more I can say! Every editors with good contribution expects a reputation or encouragement, but don't want blocked. My bad, I'm not lucky to get any encouraging words from anyone for improving Betty Grable, Andreas Baader, Ulrike Meinhof and many others which were completely unsourced. Now this block compelled me to think, "Why I joined Wiki?" _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 02:40, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Please stop pinging me. I recuse from consideration of this block, and further discussion serves no purpose. Please reflect on your conduct. A member of the unblock team sill review this with a fresh perspective. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 02:48, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

I was unaware of the block before making the replies to the questions on my talk page. Although I might have known 5 months ago due to a mentorship module question on March 25th, where I might've clicked into this thread on this page at that time. If I did, I have forgotten. Although you should have probably notified me of the editing restriction when asking for the reviews. You only said in the section that it is because you "don't want to touch [your] own submissions" and did not mention the editing restriction, nor did you do so in the two mentorship module questions that you've asked. I don't think I have been notified of the restriction, or gave any indication that I was aware of it. Apologies for not responding to this earlier, I didn't get a ping from anyone and was only aware of this from Special:Diff/1102663108 showing up on my watchlist. Justiyaya 11:41, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

@Justiyaya I have already notified to not to blame you. You have been a good mentor always. I must admit that you must not be blamed for my acts. _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 12:15, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

ah okay, good luck I guess... Justiyaya 13:38, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

I shall leave Wikipedia!!!

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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human dignity issue-- Deepfriedokra (talk) 01:31, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm on a thought to leave Wikipedia for several concerns. First user Onel5969 brought too much baseless allegations of COI which they failed to prove/link to anything, then user Hemantha and user Djm-leighpark, (those harassment kicked me to such a condition where I was not getting time to reply user EC_L_'s comment on my talk page for which EC_L_ blocked me for WP:CIR) and now user Praxidicae (who used the word "nonsensical" for me and that is not abusive for any Admin as their behaviours are justified no matter how foul they use) and user The_Banner (doesn't even care to reply to an apology). I really tired of repeated blocks, some are really not necessary. The Blocks pushed me to nowhere now. In my edits, I contributed several unsourced articles with citations. But none even encouraged me for such works by a single word. Those, who never stopped blaming me, only waited for my mistakes so that I should be banned. None ever even compared my good contributions with just a few mistakes. I haven't completed the goal of 8000 edits (when blocked first around my edit counts below 2K) by commenting on others' talk pages or accusing others. I did it by adding more than 4K+ citations(mostly from books with valid methods). Whatever my good contribution was, never acknowledged, but I got the reward of repeated blocks. No regret for this reward of "block", just I'm sorry that I couldn't finish some big drafts(pending works) for which I was working (this will always make me ashamed). But, thank you Onel5969, Praxidicae, The_Banner and many more as your allegations are served. Thank you Tamzin for the reward you gave to me (not matter what is the block length, but it sent a red flag to everywhere). But, I must thank Deepfriedokra, Robert_McClenon, BusterD, and the Wiki IRC help channels' users, in good faith, for giving me opportunity to learn a lot of things here. Wiki admins are volunteers, and I also volunteered only. Justice denied to me. Regards- - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 08:33, 6 August 2022 (UTC) Life is not always fair and has rules for a reason. Ow, and your "apology" came in the middle of my night. Unfortunately, it did not sound like a sincere apology. But I wish you luck with your other endeavours. The Banner talk 08:45, 6 August 2022 (UTC) @The Banner Please tech me how should I write a sincere apology as my apology "I have redacted my comment with good faith and tender my apology with good faith." did not sound like a sincere one to you. I love to learn. I'll accept your opinion in good faith. - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 08:49, 6 August 2022 (UTC) @The Banner I apologized you at your afternoon time, and at your evening time you are claiming it's midnight on your end? OMG, as if the world doesn't know about every country's time. - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 09:33, 6 August 2022 (UTC) The message was signed (for me) as "03:56, 6 August 2022 (UTC)". Usually, at that time I am sound asleep and unable to respond. At this time, it is 10:43 am here. I can understand that you live half the world away, but keep that in mind yourself too. The Banner talk 09:45, 6 August 2022 (UTC) ::::@The Banner and your reply was at 00:45, 6 August 2022 (UTC). Isn't it a joke? Or mock?? Anyone on this earth can find your time by "Australia time now". - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 10:31, 6 August 2022 (UTC) ::::@The Banner as your intention is wisely served, please stop this vague. We shouldn't garbage Wiki with vague. - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 10:36, 6 August 2022 (UTC) Messages are signed at the local time of the editor on whose page the edit is published, not a standardised time. And sorry, I do not live in Australia but Ireland, as you can see on my user page. But you prefer to continu with personal attack. The concerns about WP:CIR and WP:NPA are real and serious. The Banner talk 10:41, 6 August 2022 (UTC) ::::::@The Banner "Ireland time now" is 11:43 am. Keep accusing me so that I give up Wiki. XTools is evident who is purposed for what. - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 10:46, 6 August 2022 (UTC) And signed to me as 10:46, as UTC does not take Daylight Saving Time into account. The Banner talk 10:53, 6 August 2022 (UTC) ::::::::@The Banner thank you for compelling me to leave Wiki. (no more going to reply). Period. - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 10:55, 6 August 2022 (UTC) @The Banner Your message on my talk page Information icon Hello, I'm The Banner. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Casuarina Senior College have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Thanks. The Banner talk 11:49, 5 August 2022 (UTC)" is not peronal attack, but my reply "That is not vandalism-redacted" is personal attack? Wow!!! Great justification I have ever seen. - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 10:53, 6 August 2022 (UTC) Last time you were unblocked, you were told to please, avoid losing your temper/ being rude/ making personal attacks/not assuming good faith when under stress. Walk away until you are calm. Please keep that in mind, or perhaps I am too late. 0xDeadbeef 11:48, 6 August 2022 (UTC) ::@0xDeadbeef Where were you when I contributed several unsourced articles with citations. But you never even encouraged me for such works by a single word. - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 12:12, 6 August 2022 (UTC)> I think we are all proud with our works, but I do not have much overlap with the topic areas that you edit in. Also responding with bitterness will only make it worse. 0xDeadbeef 12:15, 6 August 2022 (UTC) ::::@0xDeadbeef I haven't completed the goal of 8000 edits (when blocked first around my edit counts below 2K) by commenting on others' talk pages or accusing others. I did it by adding more than 4K+ citations. - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 12:17, 6 August 2022 (UTC) You are only blocked for a week. 0xDeadbeef 12:18, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Reply to Rant

I am not sure what the blocks have been for, but the anger being displayed here makes me guess that it was for incivility. I thank User:Deepfriedokra for ensuring that the block is only for one week by turning off talk page access. I am only here because I was pinged to thank me for advice, so I will give one more item of advice, which they have probably already been given by other editors including User:Justiyaya, and that is to avoid expressing anger in Wikipedia. If you can't bring yourself to say anything neutral about a situation, don't say anything. In particular, it is not useful to say that you will leave Wikipedia. Such statements are common, are not always true, and are often ignored. Either leave Wikipedia quietly, or wait out the block and return to Wikipedia calmly. Over and out. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:04, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: I think you can do much to calm the waters. Basically, frustrated at needing AfC vetting on new articles and not waiting for them, after chaffing against the AfD restriction. To quote from block log, "All new article creations through AfC and vetted by AfC before main spacing. One edit per day per AfD thread. And please, avoid losing your temper/ being rude/ making personal attacks/not assuming good faith when under stress." So, all that frustration from the reblock plus interactions here were just too much, and I withdrew TPA. Hopefully, we can move forward from here. Any other advice you can give, I would appreciate. Best -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:17, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

I imposed the requirement to vet via AfC in March. You are eligible to appeal that next month, despite the recent problems. If AfC reviewers are agreeable/do not raise other objects about quality, I can consider removing. it But you must not draw another block.. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:25, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

I was blocked multiple times a few weeks back & got removed from the AFC and NPR. It's normal procedure on Wikipedia. What I can suggest is just stop doing what directly affect you. Later on I even quit rollback and PCR. But what I know is NT4M was really good while creating draft & I've mailed him with a few suggestions from my previous experience. Hope he'll understand.DIVINE (talk) 15:32, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:39, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

@DIVINE yes it's very normal procedure. Set aside me, more happened to some of very senior editors here. _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 23:00, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Email request

Actually, my overwhelming concern is another outburst. If editing Wikipedia helps you, it is great. If it frustrates you and makes you angry, absolutely not. I will restore talk page access and see how that goes. Any more lost temper or anger or lashing out, and you lose talk page access. And someone else will probably beat me to it. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 10:42, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

I've been in and out of Therapy for years. Grief. Depression. Suicidal thoughts. Free-floating anger. Through it all, I got help. I developed a plan of self-care. I am now "happy, joyous, and free." I'm not a therapist, but I do invite you to a life of self examination. And that goes for anyone else out there in the audience. Wikipedia is supposed to be fun. If it is not, look within. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 11:43, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Deepfriedokra i humbly request you to unblock his talk page access as he's not responding via email. Atleast he's not violating any wikipedia guidelines while communicating with other volunteers via his personal talk page. Best regards, DIVINE (talk) 16:48, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

No need to be humble, @DIVINE:. I have already restored talk page access per their email. They emailed me twice. Probably feeling very overwhelmed. I'd like to discuss unblocking with them on their talk. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 17:12, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

If they still can't edit their talk please tell them to UTRS me. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 18:33, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

I went ahead and unblocked per emails. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 18:42, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

and reblocked cause not my block. TPA available -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:17, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

This time I really did an unforgivable mistake by hurting a few users. An apology is not enough for it. I understand that sometimes, an apology can not correct the mistake. But I also understand that not apologizing is another mistake. Hence, I tender my apology to everyone, for my uncivil conduct. I shouldn't mix my personal past with anything. So I beg pardon, kneeling down. Please forgive me for my uncivil conduct. _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 22:30, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Glad, actually, to here from you. And while I can accept your apology, though I don't feel hurt, my fervent hope is that you can go on without doing anything to apologize for.-- Deepfriedokra (talk) 22:41, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Hell, we all have pasts. Let Wikipedia be a refuge from turmoil. If the Wikistress gets to be too much, take a break. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 22:43, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Wiki never stressed me. Instead, it superseded personal stresses. It's fun here, because editing the pages, I'm learning something new everyday. _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 22:53, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Further, I shall correct my bevaiour so that I shall never need to type the word "apology". I'm confident that I can do it @Deepfriedokra:. I must recall your assistance before I keep my fingers on my keyboard. _{- Signed by} NeverTry4Me ^Talk 23:05, 7 August 2022 (UTC)