User talk:MarnetteD/archive54

Reference 1

Reference 1 is a bare URL.Zigzig20s (talk) 21:23, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

No it isn't Zigzig20s- the shunt to the wayback machine keeps it from being one. MarnetteD|Talk 21:27, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Followup - those wayback fixes can look odd so I have added some brackets to clear things up. MarnetteD|Talk 21:30, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Citer (formerly Yadcard), maintained by Dalba, is a little gem: install the bookmarklet, and you are 1-click away from a shortened footnote/named reference even on dead URLs archived by the Wayback Machine (example). As with other reference generators, citations will often need a tweak or two, but citations made on web.archive.org pages will include |archive-url=, |archive-date=, and |dead-url=. Besides that, Citer handles Google Books URL, DOI, ISBN, PMID, PMCID, and OCLC. Sam Sailor 08:04, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

That is nice Sam. Thanks for making me aware of it and for using it on the item mentioned in this thread. Much appreciated. MarnetteD|Talk 14:05, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

bare url question

Hello again. In Christ Church Detroit you removed the linkrot tag because there were no bare urls to fix. In looking closer at this one, there are no completely bare urls (e.g. http://somelink). But there are several of the form [http://somelink sometext] that have very little descriptive information. If I find these, I could remove what descriptive info there is (temporarily making a worse reference) knowing that subsequently the tools will add citation templates and basic fields.) Or I could do nothing and have things like this article with poor references. Comment? MB 22:01, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi MB. When I run reFill and it doesn't change anything I leave that edit summary. It should be noted that reFill isn't perfect and if you remove the info that is with the refs now there is no guarantee that refill would improve on it. Your best bet is to add whatever info you feel is necessary rather than remove what is there now. I have seen a wide range of citation styles in my journeys and different editors handle them in completely different ways and most articles have (one or two to many) incomplete citations. The other thing you can do is add the {{Citation style}} to the article. The category it creates isn't patrolled as regularly as the reFill template creates but it will alert readers to the fact that the cites might not be complete. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 00:12, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Edit count

You'll pass me today, I think. It then gets much harder to climb. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 11:49, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

It is a busy day off wikiP Redrose64 so it might not happen until later in the week. You are right that most everyone higher up the list are still editing. We will catch a couple retired editors when we get into the 185's. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 14:05, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Curious IP

Hi, re this revert - have you checked out their other contributions? They appear to be talking to themselves. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:49, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

That isn't something we see every day Redrose64. If it was a named user that would be a somewhat creative way of getting autoconfirmed :-) Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 21:10, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Hardee County

I fat-fingered my first attempt to revert and didn't realize my second attempt was from a previous version. I have learned to double-check my edits. - Donald Albury 02:54, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

I've made the same kind of mistake Donald Albury so no worries. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 02:57, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

The Importance of Being Uranist Edit

I wanted to ask you this here to avoid making you go back and forth to help me as a new editor. I know I need a citation for my comment on Earnest as a play on Uranist, but would be much indebted for some advice as to what that ought to look like. I believe the first time I heard the theory was from Dr. Sos Eltis' Oxford lecture series on Wilde in which she discusses Wilde and sexuality and makes the point then. Would this be sufficient as a citation? I don't know how else I could cite it. Many thanks! Becsh (talk) 22:28, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Becsh you need to find a WP:RS that is verifiable. Unfortunately, your memory of a lecture (per WP:I-SAW-IT) does not meet Wikipedia's guidelines. You might ask for help at the Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard but I can't guarantee that you will get an answer. MarnetteD|Talk 00:23, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Page I just deleted

See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Tyciol. A bit of a surprise. Doug Weller talk 16:13, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up Doug Weller. Good grief and face palm. Best. MarnetteD|Talk 17:37, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Sambyal

The text is unsourced. There are many similar pages, unsourced and ignored by the local editors.Xx236 (talk) 10:34, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Erroneous message left for you

Obviously that template warning was not meant for you. Thanks for reverting the vandalism to my talk page. Instead of going directly there, I reverted through Huggle and your edit got in between. I was going to strike it but you beat me to that as well. I am sure you knew. Hope you are doing well. Donner60 (talk) 22:14, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi Donner60. After looking at things I figured it was a "huggle is a powerful tool for good and/or ill" situation :-) I'm hanging in there. I'm sorry you are having to deal with that IP. Best regards and enjoy your Sunday. MarnetteD|Talk 22:17, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

I am sure that the user is convinced that his non-neutral anti-Trump and basically irrelevant personal opinions (considering what the article is about) are ok since he thinks the NY Times backs it up; perhaps in an opinion piece. It is clear that he is not to be convinced because I left the fact that this is not a blog or forum and does not publish personal opinions. Also, the trend in the project appears to be to eliminate this kind of thing, gratuitously trying to make people one does not agree with look bad, should not be tolerated. Where does it stop? Does the snarky parenthetical really have anything to do with Melania Trump's anti-cyberbullying campaign? I don't think I am wrong and have misinterpreted neutral point of view in this case. More than enough said, I guess. Donner60 (talk) 22:24, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

I was finally going to write one reply about neutrality and that opinion pieces in newspapers are not really neutral and don't support those kind of edits. I have saved it offline since the user has now been blocked. Thanks again. Donner60 (talk) 23:01, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Aaron Eye Butler

Did you see any sourcing that actually says he got an Emmy (vs. nomination) aside from the self-sourced one? Qwirkle (talk) 02:15, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Qwirkle all I was doing was using the various tools available to format the references. Any vetting of the info in the article and any changes you wish to make to it are perfectly okay. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 02:42, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

As I look at your comments at the AFD there could be more problems with it. Best of luck in dealing with it. MarnetteD|Talk 02:42, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Yowza I just saw your "20/12 vision" comment - combine that with the title you created for this thread and you've given me a nice smile :-) Many thanks. MarnetteD|Talk 02:44, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Water over the damdamn now anyway, someone did a drive-by speedy keep, based, no doubt, on Wiki’s dearth of self-sourced, possibly in accurate, promotional COI crap. Achh. Qwirkle (talk) 21:58, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Archive box and ToC

If you remove that {{clear}} syntax, that big archive box would line up nicely with the ToC. SlightSmile 14:50, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

As I think of it. What if the ToC becomes too small and then the archive box extends past the ToC and makes a mess. Put __TOC__ on the line after the "<div style = …" followed by the {{clear}}. That should work. I'll send you my bill. SlightSmile 15:07, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your message Slightsmile. I've got three different "<div style = …" commands so I am not sure which one is part of your fix. Please feel free to perform the necessary edit to line things up. I know it will add to your bill but I'm happy to have someone who knows what they are doing in charge of things :-) Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 17:31, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

You owe me lunch. SlightSmile 18:51, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks so much Slightsmile. As long as I can pick a place for lunch that puts a big smile on your face. Have a wonderful weekend! MarnetteD|Talk 19:03, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank You

Thank you for your help with the Redondo Beach Article! 47.144.152.95 (talk) 18:24, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

You are welcome 47. MarnetteD|Talk 18:25, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

So sorry I forgot that ...

... it was your birthday last week, Thursday, wasn't it?— Michael, a belated many happy returns of the day! ‑ ‑ Gareth Griffith‑Jones ^{The Welsh Buzzard} ‑ ‑ 16:18, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Close G. It was Friday the 3rd. It was a nice day. That evening I watched the Jeff Lynne concert from Wembley recorded last year. It was a real treat. Thanks, so very much, for your kind message and the yummy pie. They are much appreciated. Cheers!! MarnetteD|Talk 18:19, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

• Happy B-Day, M! I knew you were a Leo, but didn't know the precise date. I only happened upon this thread because it became clear from the edit summaries of the thread below that people were having fun without me, which you know I don't like. Softlavender (talk) 22:33, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much Softlavender. Isn't it nice how Martinevans123 creates fun wherever he goes :-) MarnetteD|Talk 22:53, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Softlavender and Michael.
My first mentor here on Wikipedia was our mutual friend RepublicanJacobiteTheFortyFive [nowadays, TheOldJacobite] just seven years ago.
My first UK mentor was no other than Martinevans123 a little later in November 2011, along with PaleCloudedWhite.
Michael, our correspondence began during the following April when I approached you for help.
Softlavender, I am unable to date when you and I first met up.
Is it any wonder that I became the editor that I am? ‑ ‑ Gareth Griffith‑Jones ^{The Welsh Buzzard} ‑ ‑ 15:32, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Oh dear. I feel compelled to apologise for what I may have helped to create. lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:37, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Gareth, we first met in September 2013 in the fustercluck of arguments at The Departed, which I somehow got involved in (even though I've never even seen the film) and tried to redeem. (That's also when I met TOJ.) Somewhere along the line you gave me a barnstar for that and other considerations, which put you in my good graces. :) I had the misfortune to visit Martin's usertalk in early 2015 (actually I had conversed with him before that) on EEng's recommendation. I met Michael via his annoying habit of editing articles on films and actors; I usually confused him with MelanieN, but eventually I was able to tell them apart. Softlavender (talk) 18:43, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Gareth, you are, typically, too kind in referring to me as a mentor. My recollection, which could be flawed, is that I was impatient, perhaps even rude, with you at first. But, finally realized you were (and are) always well-intentioned. Please correct me if I'm wrong as to the nature of our first encounter. Regardless, glad to know you and the others who have contributed to this conversation. Best, always. ---The Old Jacobite_{The '45} 00:59, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

I so appreciate everyone's posts here. It is a privilege to know and edit alongside each of you. We may have differing views from time to time but we are all working to improve the 'pedia. My very best regards to everyone. MarnetteD|Talk 01:05, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Softlavender for remembering, as I too now do.
Good to see your original signature, RepublicanJacobiteTheFortyFive Yes, I agree with your recollection of our first chance meeting; it was a confrontation. Nevertheless, I admired your dedication and adopted your style. As I wrote above, Is it any wonder that I became the editor that I am?
All the best to everyone of you. ‑ ‑ Gareth Griffith‑Jones ^{The Welsh Buzzard} ‑ ‑ 10:48, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

"Freddie Starr ate my mailsack"

Did I ever tell you I shared a cell with ol' diamond geezer Max "Albert Square" Clifford?? Ah! the stories we used to swap (and make up, of course)! Those were the days. Freddie Evans 123 (talk) 19:30, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

No you hadn't M. What a lot of interesting links you've presented me with! I wonder how many articles there are on the 'pedi that have the phrase "he became widely associated with sleaze" in the second paragraph of the lead :-) My oh My I do believe that all of this excitement has given me the vapors. Many thanks for taking the time to post this M. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 21:10, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

And thank you, "M", for taking the time to so quickly clean up my Talk page. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:24, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

You are welcome M. DYK that this Canadian series has an episode by the same title? Until I read the article about the book I was trying to figure out how you would have seen the episode. Now the series is a bit like comfort food. Enjoyable to watch but not among the all time greats. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 21:33, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Haha! If only he was a lowly "police detective working in Toronto, Ontario". Martinevans123 (talk) 21:40, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

If only is right!! MarnetteD|Talk 22:54, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Shipwreck lists

Hi, 20em gives a nice two-column layout on my laptop screen. Using Firefox and set to 170% magnification. It's a pity that they did away with being able to set 2 cols for references. It looks much neater than a single column when there are more than about a dozen refs. Mjroots (talk) 16:17, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Who is “they” in this case, and why should we listen to the ...persons? Qwirkle (talk) 16:24, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello Mjroots. They are in three smooshed columns on my screen. When I remove the 20 they are in two nice neat columns not one single one. That is the dilemma. I do apologize for any offense my edit summaries may have caused. One request - if this happens in the future please just restore your version without using the undo - that red ping first thing in the morning - or any other time of the day to be honest :-) never gets things off to a good start. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 17:19, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Qwirkle the change to columns commands took place more than a year ago (if my dusty memory bans aren't too out of whack) and I was not part of the discussion. I think you could ask at the WP:VPT or the WP:HELPDESK to get clarification. Sorry I could not be of more help. MarnetteD|Talk 17:19, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

No offence taken. There are hundreds of shipwreck lists which really need a consistent approach across them all. Know what you mean about the pings first thing. Mjroots (talk) 17:23, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Oh, great. First it’s interaction bans...then topic bans...then site bans, and now the bastards are going after memory? Qwirkle (talk) 17:32, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

@Mjroots: There is plenty on the matter of columns at Template talk:Reflist and its archives. I think that there was a discussion - possibly a full RfC - at one of the Village Pumps as well. Basically: setting a fixed number of columns is a bad idea because you have no idea how wide anybody else's screen is (nor what zoom level they habitually set). Two columns may be good for your own personal setup, but consider that users of handheld mobile devices may not have sufficient width for two columns; and people with widescreen monitors may find that there is still plenty of blank space between the columns. By contrast, setting a column width allows the browser to adjust the number of columns to suit the space available. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:34, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

I Never Loved a Man (The Way I Love You)

YouTube is awash with uploads of this, I'm glad to say. Including that incredible live one from the legendary Concertgebouw Concert, Amsterdam, Netherlands, 1968. An utterly incredible performance, even with that slight "tape warp" brass chord towards the end. What a truly incredible number this was. That little aching, sobbing, taunting guitar riff.... the magisterial King Curtis on sax, just all genius arrangement. Still is. But that original demo, recorded in Detroit by Ted White, with unknown bass and drums, (with the introductory cough) just nudges it for me. I heard it for the first time on Paul Jones' blues show. I was utterly spellbound. RIP Aretha. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:30, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks M. I've been strolling through so many of her performances on YouTube but haven't seen that one yet - I'll go hunt for it next. One of my favorites of hers is the B side of that disk. Do you have a favorite of it? Truly a special singer and woman - RIP Aretha and thanks for giving us the gift of your voice. MarnetteD|Talk 19:09, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

A wonderful song. A wonderful performance. Often overlooked. Was always sorry there wasn't more brass on it. And the organ has always sounded weak to me, sorry (perhaps Hammond Threesie can tell us what it was). But the vocals are sublime. Here's a nice gentle, but classy, cover by Phoebe Snow, which has the brass I was always longing for. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:20, 16 August 2018 (UTC) .. it's on her 1978 Against the Grain album which has Michael Brecker.

Very nice. Thank you. MarnetteD|Talk 19:29, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

If you have time and inclination there's a great live one by our Glad (with Martina McBride, and Estelle) here and there's the absolutely wonderful Etta James (alternate take) version from this 2001 complilation album. When you consider the immense size of Aretha's legacy, you realise just what a hugely influential singer she was. A true superstar, with a huge talent. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:44, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

I don't think Concertgubow '68 has got any organ on it, just piano (played by Aretha herself brilliantly on a few songs) ... oh you mean "Do Right....", er, well listening to it I think it's a B-3 with V-2 vibrato going straight into a tone cabinet (ie: no Leslie), which isn't a combination seen too often in rock, but might have been common in black churches during the '40s and '50s, which is probably where it stems from. In touring bands, I've played "I Never Loved A Man", "Respect", "Natural Woman", "Think" (pronounced "Tink" when touring Ireland) and "The House That Jack Built" - I especially liked the last of those because a) we didn't play it very much, b) it's got the best groove, c) the backing is pretty free reign and d) it's the easiest to just jam indefinitely on it ... but also e) a bloke can sing backing vocals on it. What's not to like? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:16, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks to you both for these posts. I am learning more from this thread than any of the articles that I've happened on today :-) Speaking of backing vocals I'm singing along with the video that M linked to as the mailman made their daily drop off. Now he probably thinks I'm even crazier then he did before. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 20:22, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Yes. I did mean the original "Do Right...." B-side. Thanks for the Baptist suggestion. You may be quite right about the need for no Leslie (although it's always sounded a bit "Farfisa-like" to my untrained Congregationalist ears). Martinevans123 (talk) 20:27, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Spooner Oldham played a Farfisa on "When A Man Loves A Woman", so you might be right, but it depends what was set up in the studio, I guess. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:26, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Exactly. I rest my case (as they say in Jockland). Martinevans123 (talk) 21:32, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

You've got me mulling all of this over now. "Dr. Feelgood" is definitely a B-3 with Leslie, "I Never Loved A Man" is a B-3 straight (with Spooner on a Wurly), "Respect" I think is the same, but it could equally be a Farfisa. Gaaah, where are the studio logs? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:50, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

You just can't beat a Spooner on a Wurly, can you. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:02, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

deletion nom for Murders of Margaret and Seana Tapp

Just notifying you (not canvassing just notifying) about Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Murders of Margaret and Seana Tapp. Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 23:58, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello PBA I hope you are well. FYI when I click on the link to the Sun at the AFD it only goes to a generic home page. I hope you can fix that so I can read the full article. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 00:02, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

MarnetteD It's behind a paywall. I'll copy the text to somewhere? Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 00:05, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Rats PBA I don't think you can do that due to COPYVIO problems. Maybe somebody else has a solution. MarnetteD|Talk 00:07, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

MarnetteD This deletion nom is also proof that AldezD is stalking my edits. Just like TheLongTone did when creating the Kylie Maybury deletion nom. Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 00:10, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi again Paul. I know you aren't canvassing but others will not understand so I fear I can't comment at the RFD. I have a couple suggestions but I don't know how helpful they will be. First, if you can find more sources for the article that will be a good thing. Next, make a copy of it for your own files at home. Next, is it possible that you could post it at a different wiki? I know some have different inclusion criteria. I mention these options because I know how important speaking for those that don't have a voice is to you. I'm afraid these suggestions will be unsatisfactory so I will simply wish you well on WikiP and even more so off. MarnetteD|Talk 01:56, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, As I've said, victims like Margaret and Seana deserve more than faded memories and chapters in true crime books. Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 02:02, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Name

Hi Marnette! I like your name its interesting..what country are you from? Antonio El Modelo Martin (queeeeeee?) 03:45, 24 August, 2018 (UTC)

@AntonioMartin: The flag flying at top left should be a clue. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 13:46, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Well, that’s the pits pit, ain’t it? Qwirkle (talk) 14:17, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

PS:I have long wondered whether that place isn’t dragged down by having a flag that looks like something you’d see on the funnel of a clapped-out tramp steamer. Qwirkle (talk) 14:17, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for answering the question Redrose64. Qwirkle a) no it isn't dragged down and b) please resist posting statements like this on my talk page in the future. Yes everyone is entitled to their opinion but my talk page is not the place to rag on people, places or things. MarnetteD|Talk 21:29, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Nuke it if you find that genuinely offensive, but I’m damned if I see why. Qwirkle (talk) 21:52, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Redrose! Antonio El adolescente mas viejo Martin (queeeeeee?) 07:53, 25 August, 2018 (UTC)

I thought maybe you were from another country, like France, or maybe Puerto Rico, MarnetteD. I had a friend during my teens whose name was similar-Monet. The most beautiful girl in my complex but for some reason i myself never fell in love with her lol...anyways yeah I like your name. God bless! Antonio Grease Forever! Martin (queeeeeee?) 07:57, 25 August, 2018 (UTC)

RIP Neil

Neil Simon has passed away. In 1968 my Mom took me to San Antonio to go to Hemisfair. The first night there we went to see the film The Odd Couple (film). It was also my first time experiencing humidity :-P Almost 30 years later I was able to return the favor by taking her to see The Odd Couple (play)#Female version. Dear Mr Simon thanks for those specific memories and for your wonderful body of work. MarnetteD|Talk 18:39, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Very sad... luckily we have the film versions to always remember him by. During the 1970s, I was an avid Broadway and off-Broadway theater-goer (back when you could still get tix for under $15 at TKTS). During that decade I had the fortune to see well over 200 shows. Among them were The Prisoner of Second Avenue, The Sunshine Boys, God's Favorite (which was one of my least favorites), California Suite, Chapter Two, and They're Playing Our Song. The Odd Couple I have only seen the film version of, and that is still one of my favorites, along with Come Blow Your Horn and the Out of Towners. Truly a gifted writer. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 19:46, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing your memories Onel5969. Now I have to put the green-eyed envy gnome back in its box - I mean 200+ plays and inexpensive tickets! Thanks again. MarnetteD|Talk 19:50, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

It was a great time... my favorite actor of that time was John Cullum, who I saw in several productions, including Shenandoah, 1776, On the 20th Century, and Deathtrap (which I saw again with another actor in the lead, although I can't remember who). Another highlight was seeing Eqqus 4 times, all in the student seating on-stage -- one with each of the four major actors in the lead (Perkins, Hopkins, Burton and Nimoy). In my opinion, Nimoy gave the best performance, while Burton gave the least-inspiring... Another treat was seeing House of Blue Leaves back in 71... and then getting to do it in L.A. in the early 80's... which Guare actually came to see. Got to see Mahoney do it in the 80s on Broadway as well.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:01, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

The Odd Couple, and in particular the film, is a Hall of Fame comedy which never loses its charm and brilliance. I think Simon's best work was about "couples" who were odd, because my other two favorites of his are The Goodbye Girl and Barefoot in the Park. His voice changed with each and was pitch-perfect for each time, place, and generation. Softlavender (talk) 23:46, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Well said Softlavender. Thanks for the post. I am so glad you mentioned Cullum Onel5969. Every time I watch 1776 I think about how long a career he had already had before he created Holling Vincoeur on Northern Exposure. Cheers to you both. MarnetteD|Talk 00:17, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

No worries, MarnetteD… and Softlavender... The Goodbye Girl, what a performance by both Mason and Dreyfuss… when he leaves his guitar and David Gates' strains come up on the soundtrack... gets the tears flowing everytime… Someday I'll tell you about my Richard Dreyfuss moment.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 00:42, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Onel5969 over the years you have been so kind to post details of the many and wide ranging experiences you have had. If you ever collect them in one tome for publication please remember that I want to be first in line to purchase a copy. I deeply appreciate you taking the time to share them with me - and my talk page watchers :-) MarnetteD|Talk 00:48, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Dreyfuss is one of my very favorite actors. I can't name a performance of his I didn't like, Duddy Kravitz notwithstanding. He and Mason are perfect in that film; I can't imagine any other actors doing it that much justice. BTW, if you are on Twitter, Dreyfuss is very funny there, although he hasn't been too active there of late. Softlavender (talk) 00:52, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Indeed, one of the great ones...this comes only one day after the loss of John McCain who, political views and opinions aside, was also a giant. RIP (and BTW, I thought he had died already!). Antonio Taco con Chili Martin, (What's your deal?) 00:05, 28 August, 2018 (UTC)

A mistake?

I assume that this was a mistake, rather than intentional vandalism on your part. bd2412 T 16:15, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Did you bother to read the Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/CensoredScribe or look at this User:ThirstymommaBD2412? So no it wasn't a mistakee and it sure as hell wasn't vandalism. MarnetteD|Talk 16:22, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

I'm going to ask you again whether this was a mistake. You have proposed a draft for speedy deletion as the "creation" of blocked editor Censored Scribe. I created that draft, as I did with a family of other drafts for MCU characters. There is no policy that would allow deletion of a draft merely because a banned editor made a late-coming edit to it. Are you accusing me of being a sockpuppet? I am very, very angry right now. bd2412 T 16:24, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Then I can only offer 1000 apologies. I'd have sworn I saw an N next to the first post by the CS sock. I was wrong. However, you could have posted this info with your first post and your WP:INVOLVED block which also came with no warning is out of line - although these seem to be in vogue at the moment. Try WP:AGF in the future please. MarnetteD|Talk 16:31, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

I am very angry as well. That is what comes of us both ignoring WP:AGF. MarnetteD|Talk 16:32, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

The block was a fifteen-minute block for your own protection, to keep you from venturing into territory that would have made things worse. I accept your apology, and I assume that in the future you will check the page history to confirm page creation (and to confirm that substantial work has not been done on the page by other editors since the page creation). I consider this resolved. bd2412 T 16:37, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) The block showed up on my watchlist -- didn't even know that was a thing! Anyway, I would like to politely throw in my input that the initial revert could have included an edit summary "I created this draft", and maybe there would have been no confusion. Both of you meant no harm here, that's obvious, so hopefully we can all learn from this and move on — MusikAnimal ^talk 16:39, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) - BD could you not have worded the talkpage message to say "I think you've made a mistake ?, I'm not <socks name>" or atleast put it in the edit summary instead of smacking rollback ?, The fact "you were angry" doesn't help either.

Had you been a bit more informative this all could have been prevented? –Davey2010^Talk 16:43, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

I asked on this talk page whether this was a mistake, and received no response here. Rather, the editor merely restored the errant deletion tag. It initially appeared that they were moving towards an edit war without bothering to respond to an effort to initiate discussion. That seemed out of character for this editor, although I concede that it may have just been a matter of crossed timing. bd2412 T 16:46, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Worse how could it get worse. This completely ignores your mistakes in this situation. You did a bit more than ask if it was a mistake. Your confrontational claim that I would ever perform "intentional vandalism" was not a way to diffuse the situation. Try explaining things thoroughly the first time in future. Also going forward please don't make WP:INVOLVED blocks. There are two of those at ANI at the moment and I would be well within my rights to open a 3rd. Having said all that as the heat fades I want to say that I know you are a good editor so this was a mistake all round. I hope that you have a pleasant weekend. MarnetteD|Talk 16:51, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Forgot to say thanks to Davey2010 and MusikAnimal for your posts. Cheers to all. MarnetteD|Talk 16:55, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

I accept my responsibility to do a better job explaining myself when initiating discussion. I completely agree with your previous paragraph here. I am going to step away from this discussion now, and from Wikipedia for a while. bd2412 T 16:57, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you BD2412. MarnetteD|Talk 17:03, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

@MusikAnimal: If you are watching a page in User:/User talk: space (such as this one) your watchlist will not just show edits to those pages but also log entries directly affecting that user (in this case these actions). --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:13, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

That might mean that MA has never had anyone on their watchlist who received a block before. Sorry I had to be the first :-( or is it :-) MarnetteD|Talk 23:16, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

August 2018

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

MarnetteD (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

Absolutely absurd block. No warning and Admin is WP:INVOLVED as well MarnetteD|Talk 16:33, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Decline reason:

This is a procedural decline solely on the basis that the block has already been lifted. My use of "decline" does not mean to imply a decision I'd have taken had the block still been in effect. Yamla (talk) 16:47, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

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You seem to be unblocked, but BD2412, you should explain the reasoning behind this block quickly and how it doesn't violate WP:INVOLVED. Nihlus 16:36, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

The block was in response to what appeared to be pure vandalism, since it asserted page creation by an editor who was clearly not the page creator. My initial thought was that this account was compromised. It was brief - only fifteen minutes - because I needed time to investigate that possibility. The assertion turned out to be a mistake rather than bad faith, but I had to be sure before allowing the situation on the page to escalate further. bd2412 T 16:39, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

That seems rather careless given that you were reverting them. Things that perhaps seem out of the ordinary should not be met with a "I thought your account was compromised" block. Why was that your initial action only 5 minutes after leaving this message? Sorry, but something isn't adding up. Nihlus 16:43, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

After I left this message, the editor merely reverted the removal of the errant deletion tag, rather than discussing or appearing to investigate. I saw that reversion prior to seeing any response to my note on their talk page. That is what raised my concerns about the possibility of blatant vandalism or a compromised account. Once it was clear that this was a misunderstanding, I immediately removed the block. bd2412 T 16:48, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

BD seriously? Blatant vandalism requires more than one revert, and a compromised account--well, nothing here had that MO, and there are plenty of possible reasons for Marnette not checking her talk and responding immediately. So five minutes really is not enough, and a block really not right. I'm glad you lifted the block quickly, but still. Drmies (talk) 16:53, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

The situation is messed up Drmies. Hopefully BD and I will learn from it and move forward. I think it is more than a decade since I mentioned this to you (and I couldn't even begin to remember what the talk page thread was) so there is no reason for you to remember. I am a man. Regards. MarnetteD|Talk 17:01, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Ha, I'm a man too. Ten years? I'm an old man! Sorry Marnette. Drmies (talk) 17:10, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

No worries at all Drmies. Ah those halcyon days when the 'pedia had less than 500,000 articles (and there was no mobile phone editing - heehee) Simpler times. MarnetteD|Talk 17:17, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

DYK that the oldest admin in the world wrote 500,000 articles from his mobile? ;) Drmies (talk) 17:19, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Yowza D. That is amazing and tremendous. You have helped to fulfill Leo's admonition that I learn something new each day. Many thanks. MarnetteD|Talk 17:23, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Oldest admin? 500,000 articles? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:36, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Kolorover

Hello. With every undo you get a free explanation.[1] I know what it looks like, but that isn't that user, it's probably this user. Who that is is not entirely clear to me at this stage. fyi ping -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 09:09, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Zzuuzz: Perhaps this sockfarm? Sro23 (talk) 12:11, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Sro23, that makes complete sense. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 12:34, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Sounds about right. GAB^gab 15:31, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Zzuuzz, Sro23 and GeneralizationsAreBad for the info. I appreciate the followup. MarnetteD|Talk 16:22, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Murders of Margaret and Seana Tapp

Thank you for your help. If you want to keep editing the article, feel free. this page on the ABC has a photo of Margaret and Seana that only credits Victoria Police instead of a copyright holder. Could we use it on Wikipedia? Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 07:29, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Paul I am afraid that I have never unraveled the mysteries of what photos can and cannot be used on WikiP. One of my talk page watchers might be able to help or you could try the help desk. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 08:27, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

For your information

We have not long to wait Diolch, Gareth Griffith‑Jones ^{The Welsh Buzzard} 14:03, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up Gareth. Interesting choice for day of broadcast. I hope this isn't an "airing opposite Coronation Street is a good thing" situation from the 80's. In other news I was saddened to hear that Jacqueline Pearce had died. Her Servalan is one of the all time great villains. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 18:34, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Very sad; diagnosed with lung cancer only last month and died on September 3, 2018 at her home in Lancashire. Diolch, Gareth Griffith‑Jones ^{The Welsh Buzzard} 18:42, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Good news Gareth. The first episode is being simulcast the way The Day of the Doctor was. Now I kinda wish that would happen with the rest of them :-) MarnetteD|Talk 21:25, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

That is good news. But this "followed by a primetime encore in its new Sunday night time slot (which remains TBA)." is odd. Why keep it a secret; the BBC always know their schedule weeks ahead over here . Diolch, Gareth Griffith‑Jones ^{The Welsh Buzzard} 08:14, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

US use in infoboxes

Since you have not responded on my talk page, I am asking here (I tried to 'ping' you since my reply was very late but I'm not sure if that worked). Could you please link me to the guideline that says not to include "U.S." under the place of birth in infoboxes? I searched around some but could not find it anywhere. Thank you. —Abbyjjjj96 (talk) 19:25, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

I do not remember what this is in reference to. In general I have seen editors remove the US if it is an obvious situation that the state is well known like New York or California. Things are flexible regarding this. MarnetteD|Talk 20:09, 8 September 2018 (UTC)