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[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2009#350_.28organisation.29_.26_October_24.2C_2009 Talk:2009#350_.28organisation.29_.26_October_24.2C_2009
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Many biased non-NPOV "editors" involved, one example: Talk:Rajendra K. Pachauri, see history edit
Many biased non-NPOV "editors involved, one example: Talk:Rajendra_K._Pachauri&action=history Talk:Rajendra K. Pachauri 99.155.156.208 (talk) 17:11, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
Reference edit
Hi.
Regarding "Divehiraajjege Jōgrafīge Vanavaru. Muhammadu Ibrahim Lutfee. G.Sōsanī." - the reference used on several new articles; please could you add further details, to clarify what this is. I suppose that it is a book? Do you have the year, publisher, ISBN number, or anything? Please add what you can. Thank you. Chzz ► 14:35, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Hello,
The year the book was published was 1995 (Some books in 1999 too). During those days there was no ISBN number for the books in Maldives. But I can give you the register or reference number of the book assigned by the ministry. The number is A-39/95/DPE
"Aware of the extent of this problem, Maldivian expert Mr. Ibrahim Luthfee wrote a book on Maldivian geography before he died. With this book, which is unfortunately available only in Divehi, the late Mr. Luthfee tried to clear a number of misconceptions that carelessly researched tourist publications have generalized even among Maldivians. Much of this article has been translated and adapted from his posthumous work" This is about the book from some other articles in wikipedia.
The most trusted book on Geography of Maldives is this particular book written by Mr. Luthfee. I as a student of Maldivian geography and I myself having the book by Mr. Luthfee, I am willing to help Wikipedia expand with more and more information about Maldivian geography. Whatever I've started in Wikipedia as of now is what I've translated from this book. I ensure you that I'm not doing any vandalism or one sided in my work. I'm doing my job to make everyone informed of Maldivian Geography and to explore the truth to everyone. I can help you in Wikipedia with the best of my abilities. If you could hire me I will try with the best of my abilities. Anyways, my non-stop service to Wikipedia will be on it's way.
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Hi. You were quite right to tag that article for deletion, but you should use one of the speedy deletion tags explained at WP:CSD - in this case WP:CSD#G3 blatant hoax was the one to use for a 12-year old WWE champion. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 11:27, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
Brother! edit
Brother the correct English spelling is Mahls (for people), and Mahl (for the language). But pronunciation is Mahals and Mahal. English spelling is Maldives but pronunciation is Moaldivs isn't it. Check the following two links. These are screenshots of two books. One books is published by Cambridge. Cambridge and Oxford are the most authentic sources for English Spellings
M Manikfan, Funhilol, Maliku.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Manikfan (talk • contribs) 12:44, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Yes brother, but there are many contradictions. How about the case in "Taj Mahal"... There are some people who prefer using "Taj Mahl", but still the common usage is "Taj Mahal" right. Other millions of cases ranging from famous international landmarks, companies, places, etc... the common usage of the word is still "Mahal". Lets look at the etymology of the name. We all believe that here in this case the word "Mahl" is taken from Arabic word "Mahal" right... If it is the case the most commonly used and internationally accepted term for the word is "Mahal". In case of the Hindi language too "Mahal" is used instead of "Mahl" for referring to palaces of Indian Kings. I can give many other examples of the usage of "Mahal" instead of "Mahl". It is the most commonly used and most accepted term. On the first hand the etymology of the name and many other factors prove that "Mahal" is the most correct way.
Please take into note brother. According to Wikipedia terms and guidelines we should be using the commonly used term in such a case. I have gone through many of the websites including websites from Maliku (like mathaaran.com) as well as the Indian Government websites and figured out that the commonly used term for the word is "Mahal". As a proof please take a look at the google search. For "Mahl language" we get 54,000 results while for "Mahal language" we get 2,070,000 results. In case of the English language please take into consideration the famous online dictionary - thefreedictonary.com. There even the word "Mahal" is used instead of "Mahal". Many other examples. So with respect to Wikipedia guidelines it should be Mahal which is the common usage and the most correct and widely accepted term taking into account the etymology of the name and many other factors. There is a group which always prefer using "Mahl" instead of Mahal. But we should believe the fact that the common usage is "Mahal". Some people prefer writing "Taj Mahl", but we all agree that the common term is "Taj Mahal". In such cases commonly used term or the most correct way taking into account the etymology of the name, is preferred in Wikipedia articles.
Thank you. Leone (talk) 10:31, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Dear Brother,
I am from Maliku and I am one of the administrators of http://www.mathaaran.com the spellings in mathaaran is corrected now. It happened because it was a copy and paste from wikipedia. And the website is under construction. please see the website http://www.mahlkot.com as well. We Malikans use the spelling Mahl and Mahls.
Manikfan (talk) 20:19, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
When we look at the origin of the name here in this case we find out that the correct spelling is inarguably Mahal. Please look at the correct spelling from the historical accounts and reliable documents... This one as a proof... (http://www.archive.org/stream/hobsonjobsonglos00yulerich#page/547/mode/1up) Many other proofs. See this one too. (http://www.qaumiyyath.gov.mv/docs/whitepapers/history/Names%20of%20Maldives.pdf) I would like to present before you how the spelling was used in historical accounts and the official usage of the spelling today. We all believe that Mahal here in this case derived from Mahal in Mahaldheebu or Mahal used to refer to the king's place... For instance, from historical documents we see (Mahal-dives, Dhibat Al Mahal, Al Daulat min al-
Mahaldibiyat, Diva-Mahal, etc...) which can be seen from the links I have given. Today what which is most closely related to the subject is the national emblem of the Maldives which itself uses the spelling Ad-Dawlat Al-Mahaldheebiyya. Qaumiyyath.gov.mv is the website of the Maldives National Centre for Linguistic and Historical Research. There even the spelling used is "Mahal" with an "a" instead of "Mahl". Thus, the official usage of the spelling is inarguably "Mahal". The etymology of the name too proves on the first hand. I have presented some details above. From all the reliable sources available it is clear that the correct spelling is "Mahal", brother. Now it seems that the usage of "Mahl" has been originated from the name "Mahlkot". Anyway, the usage of "Mahl" has been started much later. We should rely on the most reliable sources and accounts. With respect to Wikipedia guidelines concentrating on the sources available we should be using the most correct and commonly used spelling which itself is clearly "Mahal". So the names have to be changed really...
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We Malikans are using the term Mahls and Mahl as our government is using the term. There is no way that we can avoid the terms. But if you keep on changing that to Dhivehi, I am very sad to say that our works to show that Maldivian Dhivehis and Minicoyan Mahls are same, would vanish. It is hard to understand may be for you. You don't know the seriousness of this. If you believe Minicoyans are also ethnically same as Dhivehin, I feel that you will also support the 15000 people who share same ethnicity with you in another country. We have already established our identity in indian records as Mahls. We can't go and ask to change the records again. India is a huge country and the population is more than 1000 million. So with very large efforts only we are recognized as a seperate ethnic group which is known as Mahls. so if we try to change that again it would be a joke. So please understand our pains. Manikfan (talk) 20:45, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Dear Brother Manikfan,
I do respect your point of view. But still, I am sorry to say that there is no way we could change the name really. When we go back to history the truth stands in a mirror. It is not today only. But from time unknown, from centuries back, we find that our people of Minicoy and Maldives have been always referred as Dhivehis. It has been much later, a few years back that the usage of the term Mahl has been started in India. Whether it be the Indian government itself establishing the name or as a part of the endeavours of some Malikans to do so it is highly unacceptable to have done so if something of the regard like what you have told has ever happened. Brother, the Malikans do not use the term Mahls to refer to themselves, but use the term Malikun instead. We all know the facts. The name Mahls has been invented much later. And I could not find from any of the Indian government sources that the people are termed Mahls. In the official website of Lakshadweep even they didn't mention. So can you please present before me any sources for this??
Anyway, whether it has been done or not the name Dhivehis has already been established internationally as well as in popular culture when this claim has started. Anthropologists and researchers have already popularized the name when we go for the researches and wider range of books or reliable significant accounts available. So while it has been so and the matter is in such a state this common name of the subject can't be changed brother. If something of the regard you have told has happened it will be completely unacceptable as it will be without much research into history and other reliable sources. Until recently even the elder people of Minicoy, whenever they meet Maldivians do tell that they themselves are Dhivehis and they themselves and us are the same. Some of them tell that Maldivians left them. Throughout history the Malikans too referred to themselves as Dhivehis and as I have said until recently even it was like this. They refer to themselves as Malikun as in the islands of Maldives where the name of the island is used by the people to refer to them. However, they agreed that as a whole culturally they were Dhivehis and they themselves tell this. I myself have experienced meeting some elders from Minicoy, how they think and what they believe. They never tell that they are Mahls. And the term Mahls is not used by the Malikans in referring to them except a few who may have started much later. As I have said they use the term Malikun instead. Now even some writers from Minicoy write about the matter and I have many sources available ranging from Faiythoora documents to other accounts. From sources available it is clear that the name has been invented much later. Some information in the article also supports this. If the name was used before, all Minicoyans will be using the term to refer to themselves. However, it's not the case. They use Malikun the same way as in Maldivian islands where the locals use the name of the island to refer to themselves.
Whether some people label themselves or not, note that the majority of the people who are of this ethnicity refer to themselves as Dhivehis. This is another point. While it is in this state how can we start using some other name. Like Bengalis, Tamils, Malayalis and Sinhalese, Dhivehis are the term used for these people and that have been there cultural identity throughout history. Changing the name will be the biggest joke brother. I am sure the majority of the people of this ethnicity will not consider changing the name. The fairest way is to take the name used by anthropologists for this ethnic group which is Dhivehis. We can't start using another name now while it has been established. This term Dhivehis is not only used for referring to Maldivians. But anthropologists themselves use the term to refer to Minicoyans as well and it is very clear from the documents. So it won't be separating the Minicoyans of India and the Maldivians. The only problem we have is some misconceptions which have arisen among some Minicoyans regarding the meaning of the word Dhivehin. However, the word has no contradictions and all should understand the truth. Please see the talk page of the article for details. Refer the links over there too. :D
The name has already been established before what you are talking about has happened. Still at this moment even, hardly we could find any sources as a proof for what you are talking about brother. The only thing around the internet we can find is the same which have been in Wikipedia before sometime from some mirror sites. There might be one or two sources in favour of your claim. However, no books we can find which are of a reliable date and time. The only name for this ethnicity we can find from reliable sources is Dhivehis. It will be against Wikipedia rules to replace the common name of the subject and what the reliable sources have with other minor names or invented names.
The works to show that Maldivian Dhivehis and Minicoyan Mahls are same will not vanish brother. It is an established fact that the people of this ethnicity are Dhivehis. From time dating back to history to the present the name for this ethnicity we can find from reliable sources is Dhivehis. There are no contradictions in the word Dhivehin itself. It will be highly unacceptable if in Indian records what you are telling has been established. I couldn't find any from official records however. Whether in the records or not, it doesn't mean that the fact has been changed. Still the Minicoyans and Maldivians will remain as the same Dhivehis. If the matter is as such as you are telling we can include the information under the heading of Ethnonym that in India it is referred as Mahls. However, the common name of the subject has to be taken and it is the fair way brother. That's why the name of the article and the common name of the subject in the article should be Dhivehi people or Dhivehis. The fairest way is this. The article will not be excluding the Minicoyans from this ethnicity. But it will be using the term Dhivehis as has been already established and as we could only find from reliable sources. The common name of the subject, what the majority prefers and the name of historical reliability has to be preferred in any case. That's what which is being done in this case. Note that it is not separating the Minicoyans and Maldivians. However, it is bringing them together. If the matter is as such as you are telling it can be included in the article that another name for this ethnic group used in India is Mahls. The article will be showing that the Mahls and Dhivehis are the same. Dhivehis is the common name of the subject and most suitable and reliable name which is clear from history and other sources. That's the why the name Dhivehis is preferred over here. What the majority prefers and what history says we should respect. There is no way we could change the term brother. Terming it as Mahls in any case is against Wikipedia rules too we have to note. And please don't start a separate article again giving the wrong information under the ethnonym heading that the term Dhivehin has contradictions. The only problem we have is this misconception. Hope that you will join the discussions.
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Correct spelling according to ISO is Divehi, we are making the mistake because of the socalled latin alphabet which was created in Male' in 1970s. According to that Latin if we write "Herethere" island in Addu, it is "hiyar dheyar" for native Englsh. In international phonetic standards Dh is aspirated d while d is unaspirated. In divehi we don't have aspirated consonants. Thats why Clarence Maloney also used the spelling Divehis instead of Dhivehis. Please consider about this. Deviathan (talk) 08:57, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
I agree with you Deviathan. There is the usage of the spelling "Divehi" too in some places. Actually, it is ok whether we use the 'h' or not. It reads the same. But according to Wikipedia guidelines we have to respect the common and official usage of the subject. You may already know this if you see the Wikipedia naming conventions. The commonly used term everywhere is Dhivehi with an 'h'. Moreover, from the official documents also we see with an 'h'. So that is why we have to use the spelling with an 'h' in Wikipedia. Leone (talk) 09:07, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
In ISO also the first spelling used is "Dhivehi" with an "H". So this means their first priority too is the spelling with an H as it is the official as well as the common usage. Leone (talk) 10:17, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
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When you write Malikun or Mahls, it is not correct, like you can't write Srilankans or Tamils. Because Malikung is a Geographical term and Mahls is an ethnic term. It is like Keralites and Malayalis. To make it more clear, Neither all Srilankans are Tamils nor Sinhalese, but both of the ethnic groups are Srilankans while reffered geographically. That is another matter that all Malikun are Mahls. At the moment all Malikun are Mahls, that doesn't mean that this may be like this for ever. Any body who is registered as a citizen of a certain place would be reffered by the denonym of the place. For example if a Tamil is given the citizenship of Maldives, he is a Maldivian and he will hold a Maldivian passport, he will have a Maldivian ID card but he is not a Divehi person or a Mahl, in that case he will be a Maldivian Tamil. Hope that you will correct it in the article. Manikfan (talk) 20:45, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Again there is another side of the story bro. There is no wrong in using Malikun synonymous with Mahls. At present all Malikun are Mahls. No matter that some people establish their homes in Minicoy and become people of Minicoy in the future, still the majority of Malikun will remain as Mahls. It can't be said that a large group of people from somewhere will establish their home in Minicoy and replace the current population of Minicoy to become a majority or same level group as native Malikun. It is illogical to have so many people to settle in an island like Minicoy. Never ever there will be such a case and it is unlikely to happen according to common sense and the popular belief. Especially in a country like India and in case of Minicoy. No matter a few people, for example lets say on average 5 people in a year (though this much still can be more than the actual amount) settle in Minicoy and obtain Minicoyan addresses it will take 100 years for them to become 3% of the current population of Minicoy. With time as the population increases this will actually become a much less amount. The point of concern over here is that no matter there will be some alien groups getting into Minicoy in the future it is unlikely to exceed a limit of even 5 percent of Minicoy population. As you have talked about Keralites I am taking their example bro. The term Keralite is used synonymous with the Malayali people. You can search for the article on Keralites in Wikipedia and it will get redirected to the article Malayali people. One can't object that more than 95% of Keralites are Malayalis. Though there do exist a little minority of some other groups the term Keralites is used synonymous with the term Malayalis due to the aforesaid reason. (See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keralites - see the last line of the introduction). The last line of the above link says, "According to the Indian census of 2001, there were 30,803,747 speakers of Malayalam in Kerala, making up 96.7% of the total population of that state. Hence the word Keralite is often used in the same context, though a proper definition is ambiguous". The same way the word Malikun is used in the same context or synonymous with Mahls. There may exist another definition or another interpretation. We come across many such words. So using Malikun synonymous with Mahls can't be considered incorrect. It is completely right. Please take the example of Keralites. Leone (talk) 09:53, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
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Regarding the articles and issues of Minicoy we need to talk you, please call Edurukage Mohamed Beybe of Maliku, he is now in the Maldives. And tell him that Manikfan asked you to call him. Manikfan (talk) 06:04, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Talking by telephone, mobile phone or such a device is much less productive than having an online conversation. An online conversation will be much more effective coming to the obstacles in case of the other. I am not in Male' so there is no way I could meet him. I would love to talk to elderly people, especially those from Minicoy. However, there is no way I could have a face-to-face conversation with Mohamed Beybe. And I do not prefer talking to strangers brother :D . I would if I could have known the person on grounds of online conversations or such a way and atleast if a person I know is with that person. So what I would like to tell you is you present before me the matters you would like to present before me regarding Minicoy and the island's issues. You can discuss with elders like Mohamed Beybe regarding our conversations and you can present before me what they say. I would be glad to here from you and you are most welcome. I can give you an e-mail address from which you could contact me. Leone (talk) 09:52, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
please provide me an email address from which I could contact you. Manikfan (talk) 21:27, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
leone-niall@hotmail.com Leone (talk) 09:03, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
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Your claim of cc3 on Maldives government pics, we will probably need a link that asserts that or perhaps ask at the media help page..yes? Do you have a link that confirms your claim? Off2riorob (talk) 16:52, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
It was this year that a copyright law was passed in Maldives. According to the Article 36 of the law any things which were made before the law was passed will be not protected under the copyright law. It states that it does not apply to any copy from any website in the Maldives if the thing was made before the law was passed and put into effect. See this link: http://www.majlis.gov.mv/di/download/2010-thinvana-dhauruge-bill/copy%20rite.pdf So with respect to this the photograph of Mohamed Nasheed from the presidencymaldives.gov.mv website will not be protected under the copyright law. While this is from the Maldives and the law clearly states that it will not be protected there is no way we can't use it in Wikipedia. So that's the point. Leone (talk) 18:08, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
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I'm not sure I necessarily agree with your edit at [3]. I understand (and agree with some of) the points you make in the edit summary, and I won't revert, but it seems a bit much to remove the entire section, especially because it has multiple sources. Although it definitely needed help, removal of the section changes the POV of the article to being less balanced. I'm just curious about your cleanup plan (you mentioned the George W. Bush article...the criticism in their seems to be sectionalized around main issues of his presidency, which this article does not have). Thanks and happy editing, SpencerT♦C 01:39, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
- Okay, thanks. If you need help copyediting or something, I would be happy to assist. SpencerT♦C 23:20, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- Why did you change Zaeem into golhaa? I don't speak that language but a web search makes me think Zaeem is the right word for honorary leader. [4] [5] Knopffabrik (talk) 03:34, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry, it's not me who changed Zaeem into Golhaa. It's a user from the IP address 123.176.5.39. This can be seen from the history of the page. And yes, Zaeem is the right term. It is the supporters of President Nasheed or the ruling MDP members who call President Gayoom "Golhaa". It is an offensive or vulgar slang term. Leone (talk) 18:21, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
- Oh, you are right, sorry. Maldivian politics articles seem to be quite controversial. Knopffabrik (talk) 20:30, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
- It's OK... :) Yeah they are. The problem is some people want there opinion and there way of thinking only to be written in the articles. Why not include both sides of the story. Then only it's called neutrality. I am planning to remodel the articles about politicians and other things concerning politics of the Maldives within the guidelines of Wikipedia. Some days before I removed the whole criticism section of the article - Maumoon Abdul Gayoom. There were many issues of concern within that section. My purpose of removing that section was to model the whole article in a way articles like George W Bush are written which can be considered as model ones. I planned of including the points in criticism section under different parts of Presidency as in Bush's article. In a near future I am planning to edit these articles such a way. After removing the criticism section though I was planning to edit the article soon I have become a little busy. So for the moment I have edited the criticism section itself to make it more Wikipedia like. But later it won't be like this I hope. Leone (talk) 20:53, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
- Oh, you are right, sorry. Maldivian politics articles seem to be quite controversial. Knopffabrik (talk) 20:30, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry, it's not me who changed Zaeem into Golhaa. It's a user from the IP address 123.176.5.39. This can be seen from the history of the page. And yes, Zaeem is the right term. It is the supporters of President Nasheed or the ruling MDP members who call President Gayoom "Golhaa". It is an offensive or vulgar slang term. Leone (talk) 18:21, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
- Why did you change Zaeem into golhaa? I don't speak that language but a web search makes me think Zaeem is the right word for honorary leader. [4] [5] Knopffabrik (talk) 03:34, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
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I have changed Maldive Islands from a redirect to a disambiguation page, following the definition that you applied in Category:Maldive Islands. May I know whether this is correct? Thanks. 218.250.159.42 (talk) 20:28, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
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Standard Alphabet of Mahl Transliteration is a system developed by SIIL (Mysore). They have not named it "Standard Alphabet of Dhivehi Transliteration" but you have simply replaced "Mahl" with "Dhivehi". For example some body has made a software "Mahl writer". that is a proper name given to that software, though we start to call it "Dhivehi writer" the softwares name does not change. so there is no system called "Standard Alphabet of Dhivehi Transliteration". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.1.197.116 (talk) 22:55, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
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