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Hwa Chong Institution

Hi,

HCI is not the only Singapore school currently suffering from an onslaught from WP editors of the sort whose main aim in life seems to be to remove as much information from Wikipedia as possible.

Have you thought of taking this matter to the SGpedians Notice Board at Wikipedia_talk:SGpedians'_notice_board to see if it is possible to coordinate an SG response? -- Alarics (talk) 22:17, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm considering that. Maybe you can help me because I don't know exactly which other schools face the same problem as well. I find it ridiculous to ask for a reference for the school uniform. I assume that Bali ultimate wishes to see a written description of the school uniform to be used as the reference for that section. Where am I supposed to find that? I'll simply upload a picture of the uniform and it speaks everything. Maybe Bali ultimate is right in a sense that the school handbook is not accessible to the general public, so the discipline part has to go. I'm also unhappy that Bali ultimate removed the school councils section entirely. If it's too much trivia, a reduction should be fine. In HCI and some other top schools in Singapore, the school council serves as the bridge between the school administration and the student body. It's very hard to even get into the school council, having to participate in elections and sit for interviews and so on. Actually, I intend to rally some fellow HCI Wikipedians to "defend" the article but I think I'll be accused of breaching some Wikipedian guideline if I do that. _LDS (talk) 03:47, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

If you get your fellow HCI Wikipedians to go on to Wikipedia_talk:SGpedians'_notice_board and all discuss it openly there first, I don't think it breaks any rules, as long as it is on-Wiki and transparent. I think it is only "secret off-wiki conspiring" that is not allowed. See if there is a consensus that there is a problem here and discuss what to do about it.

Other school articles recently heavily edited down are Dunman High School, Pasir Ris Secondary School, Presbyterian High School, Catholic High School, Singapore, Maris Stella High School, and probably others too. I am NOT saying that all those drastic edits should be reverted. Some parts of them I would agree with. Indeed, I myself have edited bloat and clutter and trivia out of some school articles in the past. But I believe many people would say that some of these recent heavy edits go too far, and in effect represent too hasty a de facto change of policy without any proper discussion. If you look at thousands of school articles all over the world, it is clear that there has not previously been an insistence on citing a precise source for every last detail.

An example of what seems to me a much more sensitive approach to cutting out bloat is this one [1] at Victoria School. -- Alarics (talk) 08:06, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Can you initiate the topic there first? I'm not very sure about how to start the discussion. _LDS (talk) 08:13, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Just start a new section at Wikipedia_talk:SGpedians'_notice_board and call it something like Deletion of information from school articles. Cite some examples and ask if anyone agrees with you that too much information is being deleted. -- Alarics (talk) 08:22, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Done._LDS (talk) 08:51, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Fang La

Sorry, I'm late. I find Fang La 方臘 is right, Fang Xi 方腊 is wrong. I find two proofs

• 《折可存墓志铭》
• 《宋史·佞幸》

But they are all chinese.--刻意(Kèyì) 09:09, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Very well. In this case, it's not easy to find English sources so I think it's quite acceptable to use them. Please move the page back to "Fang La" then. Thanks for your time. _LDS (talk) 12:56, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh I see you've already moved the page. Good job. _LDS (talk) 12:58, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs

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Hello, about the Emperor Gaozu article

Wow! The article has certainly been improved since the last time I've seen it (which was many months ago). What it really needs now is a substantial amount of inline citations from book or online sources to confirm the newly-added material is correct. I'm afraid that I can't be of much help in this department. I am pretty much retired from Wikipedia. I don't pursue any major projects anymore, only minor edits here and there when I feel that there is a serious error or when a topic sorely needs updating. Best of luck to you in improving the article!

Cheers. --Pericles of Athens^Talk 05:27, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

P.S. My friend User:Nlu might be of some help here. You should try contacting him. He has done some very impressive work on many of the Chinese emperors' articles here at Wiki. However, he does not bring a whole lot of sources to the table, but relies on the official histories (i.e. Shiji, Book of Han, Book of Later Han, etc.)

Thanks for your quick reply. I contacted User:Nlu earlier but he seems quite busy too. Thanks for your suggestions. _LDS (talk) 05:34, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Reply

Made a little flow tweak as per your suggestion, what do you think, does it help? Simonm223 (talk) 14:38, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

No Problem. Simonm223 (talk) 18:17, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: LDJ

Hello Lonelydarksky. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of LDJ, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Target page exists. Thank you. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 10:18, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Anti-Vandalism Barnstar

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar

Thank you. I'm quite surprised that there's no text in the star, but still...it's very much appreciated. :) _LDS (talk) 12:03, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Final discussion for Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people

Hello, I note that you have commented on the first phase of Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people

As this RFC closes, there are two proposals being considered:

1. Proposal to Close This RfC
2. Alternate proposal to close this RFC: we don't need a whole new layer of bureaucracy

Your opinion on this is welcome. Okip 02:21, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

IP Block exemption

Hi there. Per your email and my response, you should be fine to edit now, as I've granted IP Block exemption (and rollback - you clearly need it :) ) Everything working okay now? - Alison ^❤ 04:44, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, everything is fine now. Thank you so much. :) _LDS (talk) 04:45, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Yayy!! :) - Alison ^❤ 04:45, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

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He Zhuoyan

As I've explained in more detail at T:TDYK, this article is short enough that it doesn't qualify for DYK. Could you expand it? Nyttend (talk) 14:57, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Give me a bit of time to hunt for possible info that I can put in. _LDS (talk) 15:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

I've offered further comments at the nomination. All looks good. Nyttend (talk) 16:43, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Raymond Lam

I don't think I can further improve the article without finding sources first since his career article isn't NPOV. Stormedelf (talk) 06:11, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Sure thing. Stormedelf (talk) 07:06, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Qin's wars of unification

Hi Lonelydarksky. Nice to see you again.

The article looks very fleshed out now, but there are three big suggestions I have for this article.

• 1) The article will need more citations. From the look of it, I would say about half the statements in the article lack an inline citation. In that case, the reader will not be able to determine which source the material came from. And speaking of which...

• 2) The article definitely needs more sources. At present you only have two: Li and Zheng's 5000 Years of Chinese History, as well as www.hudong.com, which is ok for basic stuff, but I would not rely so heavily on this online site.

• 3) If you can, and if you have time, definitely visit a library, preferably a university library if one is located near where you live. Instead of spending your hard-earned money for a bunch of books, you can read them all for free! At the library. Lol. Of course, this will eat up a lot of time and if you have no affiliation with the library, you can't check the books out (i.e. you'll have to do all your research while sitting at the library). But this is the best option by far if you don't have online access to some sort of scholarly database of articles or book scans like JSTOR.

I hope this helps,
Eric

AKA: --Pericles of Athens^Talk 17:37, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Good work! I will add a few citations for you from my cambridge histories of China and other sources to cite the article, but I'm busy right now. Perhaps in a few weeks' time? Anyways, I believe Pericles is right and you need more sources. Look at how much sources Economic history of China (pre-1911) has yet it is still not an FA.Teeninvestor (talk) 13:17, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

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Chinese Characters and the Greek Alphabet Eric A. Havelock Vassar College

Hi, this is a very interesting article if you are into Chinese history, which is about 3000-4000 years long. Ever thought of the idea that had the alphabets been used from the beginning, what might be today now?? Arilang ^talk 06:07, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Interesting. _LDS (talk) 08:31, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

The sound of ancient Chinese

李白 月下獨酌 中古漢語朗讀 Arilang ^talk 22:20, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Sounds like horribly-pronounced Hokkien. _LDS (talk) 04:55, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi

Please have a look and give some comments:User:Arilang1234/Comparison between written English and written Chinese Draft Arilang ^talk 06:29, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Liu Bang

Yeah, I was just worried that it would affect how the infobox looks. A ref? I know that wikipedia needs refs, but, er, it's like more or less commons sense to us Chinese :) I'll cite my textbook. Kayau Voting IS evil 02:34, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

It's strange, because I thought Liu Bang would be more likely to be a follower of Chinese folk religion rather than Taoism. However, since you've a reference, I think it should be fine. I've also given you some feedback based on your edits, after seeing that you've asked for an editor review here. I hope this comes as a surprise for you. And if you've time, I hope you can help me do a review here as well. Thanks. :) _LDS (talk) 04:46, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Chu (state)

Why they before my edit need 't provide references ?What is Mi Xiong XX come from?All my sources is Chinese,Do I add them? —— 星光下的人 talk 05:12, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

能说中文吗，用英语真别扭。虽然是英文维基上。—— 星光下的人 talk 05:18, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

汗，我的英语没那么烂，看得懂你说什么，只是问问能不能用汉语交流。毕竟方便得多。

关于中国古代的姓氏，你可以去找几本专著看看，简而言之，先有姓再有氏，氏是姓的分支。一说姓是源于母系社会，而氏则源于父系社会。在秦朝之前，所有人都有姓，但只有贵族才有氏，男子称氏，女子称姓，到了秦汉时期，姓氏合流，才没有区别，而姓氏合流的标志，就是太史公的《史记》。楚国那个条目里的芈熊连用，很可能来源于柏杨的资治通鉴译本，而众所周知柏杨此人的历史根本不过关。 《左传·隐公八年》“天子建德，因生以赐姓，胙之土而命之氏，诸侯以字为谥，因以为族；官有世功，则有官族，邑亦如之”

—— 星光下的人 talk 05:38, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

《史记》恰恰是不可靠来源，太史公经常写“姓某氏”。。。。因为他那个时代姓氏已经合流了。我找几个可靠来源吧，我主要用先秦文献，如《左传》、《国语》。—— 星光下的人 talk 05:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Filmography table

It's best to use the one provided by WP:ACTOR. The one you are currently using is suited for full page articles like Wong Jing filmography thx! Stormedelf (talk) 23:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Ok. _LDS (talk) 05:12, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

KO3anguo

Hi Lonelydarksky, I apologise for not abiding to the three-revert rule. It was my mistake not to notice the rule. I will take more notice.--Lim-eee (talk) 13:44, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I might have offended more authors if I didn't notice the new messages. I would need your guidance and help in the future since i'm much of a greenhorn here :D--Lim-eee (talk) 14:08, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

SPI

Thanks for making the SPI report. I can't keep up with Yongle the Great (talk · contribs)'s sockpuppets at times. He frequently uses IPs but he also creates new accounts, as apparently he has now, and I don't want to block an innocent editor. And then I end up with a lot of reverts to make, as we don't want to reward blocked editors by leaving their edits, whatever we think of them. Dougweller (talk) 08:52, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

I've added some of the pages he edited onto my watchlist, so each time I see a new editor popping up, I'll check his contributions log. It's rather easy to deduce whether the editor is a sockpuppet of Yongle the Great (talk · contribs), as he edits pages on the same topic (Chinese history, especially pertaining to the Ming Dynasty) and the same articles almost all the time. Besides, I've noticed that he has a habit of blanking his user page or talk page each time he receives a notice on sockpuppetry. And he's foolish enough to use similar usernames, as a lot of them are named after Chinese emperors or dynasties. I'm also in a dilemma whether to propose for deletion the articles he has created. He seems to be contributing constructively, but he's doing it "illegally". _LDS (talk) 09:06, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

It's great to have some help on this. I've protected some of the pages he frequents, or rather semi-protected them. The ones before his block should probably be left alone unless there is any reason to delete them (although some might better be redirects, I don't know.). Have his socks created any? Dougweller (talk) 09:16, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

I suspect that User:Kungkang may be another of his socks too. I've considered reverting the following pages back to the versions before they were edited by Yongle the Great and his socks, but there'll be a lot of collateral damage in the process.

Here's a list of some articles and templates created / edited heavily by Yongle and his socks:

• Template:Ming Dynasty topics
• Xu Shouhui
• Zhu Quan
• Prince of Yan
• Kingdom of Dazhou
• Tianwan
• Li Zicheng
• Chen Li
• Zhu Zaiyu
• Zhang Xianzhong
• Chen Youliang
• Ming Yuzhen
• Zhu Biao
• Zhu Gaoxu
• and many more, including the Ming Dynasty emperors' articles

_LDS (talk) 09:36, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Kungkang is unrelated, I was wondering also so I asked someone to check. As you say, and many more. Lots of princes. Another sock was Trương Hoàng Phong (talk · contribs), he seems to have been using sock puppets even before he was blocked. One problem has always been the lack of references. I've worked on a few to find references, wg Kingdom of Dazhou, but a lot still have none. He seems to work a lot on infoboxes, eg if you look at this[2] article before he started, all that's changed is the addition of an infobox, and getting rid of it would in my opinion (I don't like infoboxes, they make things look too clearcut, at least in historical articles) be no great loss. Dougweller (talk) 10:12, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Do you intend to proceed with the "extreme" reverting plan? It's draconian and there'll definitely be collateral damage. However, this plan can be justified as a means of enforcing the block on Yongle and as a warning to potential sockpuppeteers. Actually those articles I've listed above are the ones that are almost totally edited by Yongle and his socks alone, with a few other editors making some minor edits occasionally, including bots. So it's possible to implement the plan for those articles (i.e. revert the pages back to the versions before Yongle and his socks started editing), and then manually restore the edits by other editors. It'll take some time and it's quite tedious, but it can be done. I'm willing to help on that, so what do you think? I'm going out for a while, will be back in about 3 hours time. See you later. :) _LDS (talk) 10:26, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

The SPI has verified the sockpuppetry and although there was originally some concern about a range block, that's been done now, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Yongle the Great where the report has been moved. Thanks very much for initiating the SPI. Dougweller (talk) 12:56, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm glad to see that the block is being enforced. Oh, and I see you've started reverting the edits by Yongle's socks. I guess that's the best we can do, since it's not possible to completely erase Yongle and his socks from Wikipedia, and we don't need to resort to that since Yongle's contributions are not totally unconstructive. _LDS (talk) 13:46, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

I agree, I don't want to be too drastic. I should be doing other real life things right now though. Dougweller (talk) 14:36, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Your revert of blanking of Talk:Ferrante de Gemmis

Hi, I note you reverted the blanking of the above talk page. On checking the article page I see that it is identical and therefore the Talk page content is not needed. I think the IP was doing the right thing. However, I'm not going to revert you rather I'll leave it to you resolve. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:23, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

The IP editor blanked the talk page before the actual article came into existence. There's a time difference of about 1 minute between my reversion and the creation of the article. I've blanked the talk page since it's a repetition. Thanks for pointing that out. _LDS (talk) 08:44, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Chinese Name Titles

Hi, I notice you have been changing article title names for some of the Chinese bio such as Hung Yan Yan -> Hung Yan-Yan. But per the guidelines from WP:NC-ZH#Romanization of names, if we want to hyphen a Chinese name, we would keep the second word in small cap such as Hung Yan-yan and not Hung Yan-Yan, since we want to keep it consistence with articles such as Chiang Kai-shek and Sun Yat-sen. I took the liberty to fix some of the moves for you, but I'm not sure how many you have moved so far, so would you mind going back and fixing some of the articles you have moved so far? Thanks for your help! Tvtr (talk) 17:45, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

I haven't been keeping track of the articles I've moved, as I've been changing the titles each time I see one that needs a hyphen. But no worries, since I've only done this mainly to Hong Kong actors' articles. Alright I'll go back and fix them. Thanks for pointing this out. :) _LDS (talk) 05:12, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

List of characters from The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber

Hi, can you edit "List of characters from The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber" again? I've added more details but not sure that they're perfect.

I've made some minor changes. Your contributions are generally fine, but I've noticed that you've a tendency to go into excessive details about the characters and add in repetitive and trivia stuff. You need to take great care during editing to avoid adding in information that constitutes original research. Just remember, do not add in information that cannot be directly quoted from the novel (i.e. personal thoughts, opinions, analysis, reviews, inferences etc). If the information is essential in helping readers understand the character, then you may add it in, but if it constitutes OR, then you must tag it for OR or CN. Also, please do not remove the tags that I've added. They're meant to help editors identify the parts need citations and references. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 13:46, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Lu Bu's death

I'm sorry for starting an edit war on Lu Bu's death. I thought he was just decapitated. Not hanged. Thanks for explaining. But may I add, after he was hanged, he was decapitated? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.69.189.75 (talk) 20:20, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

The LEDE (i.e. introduction) should reflect facts and not fiction. Lü Bu's cause of death was hanging, then decapitation for his corpse, in Romance of the Three Kingdoms (Sanguo Yanyi). However, since Sanguo Yanyi is a work of fiction, then this cause of death should go into the fictional section on Lü Bu's page and not in the lead section. Anyway, it's already in there (see the last part of this section) for a long time so you wouldn't need to add it in again. On the other hand, Records of the Three Kingdoms (Sanguozhi) is not a work of fiction and it stated that Lü Bu was killed by hanging without mentioning the decapitation part. Therefore, in the lead section, we just need to say he was killed by hanging. If you can read classical Chinese, you can confirm this by reading Cao Cao's or Lü Bu's biography in Sanguozhi. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but you must quote the sentence or phrase from Sanguozhi. Thanks. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 05:16, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Dragon saber thingy

Um... I have never editing that Dragon saber thing. I don't even know what that is... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.69.189.75 (talk) 20:29, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I know you didn't edit that dragon saber thingy. That message about The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber above is not meant for you. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 05:17, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Zhao Min

Hi, I hope you don't mind that I've replaced Sharla Cheung's pic on Zhao Min article with An Yixuan's. Because I think that the pic can be more descriptive of the character's Mongol heritage and better resolution. No offense, but Cheung's pic could be anyone in the Wuxia genre.

i wouldn't mind if you changed the picture in the infobox. However, you've caused the Sharla Cheung picture that I've uploaded to become an orphan. :( I'll put it back on the page. Please remember to sign your posts next time so I know who's leaving me a message. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 05:24, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

NeoBatfreak's messages

Yang Guo

I've changed the picture because it is for better resolution and Huang Xiaoming's is the current version people are currently identifying. Not because of whoever is the best.

collage

How about making collages?

Are you Chinese?

If so, which China region?

For get collages

I begin to understand what you are saying. If we make collages, what about other actors who would play these characters in the future? I can't picture ourselves able to keep up. So, lets forget it.

Do whatever you like

You've already created articles for about every adaptions of the Condor Trilogy except maybe Taiwan and Singapore's. The DVD covers themselves should illustrate the points.

DVD Covers

You can delete those pics except the DVD covers of the articles as records to illustrate the points. Understand?

The Legend of Condor Heroes (2006) vs The Legend of Condor Heroes (2008)

Can you tell me which version is better? Also, would there be a follow up for the 2008 version?

The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber

Any chance you know where I can purchase and download the opening theme Huaxia Yingxiong (華夏英雄) performed by Deng Chao and ending theme Hongchen Liange (紅塵戀歌) performed by Ady An and Cong Haonan from The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber (2008)?

So they are not available on ITune to downloads? Also, you really sure that there won't be another "The Return of Condor Heroes", sequel to "The Legend of Condor Heroes" (2008)?

I thought you have the series, since you put "scan" as the source for the DVD covers you added. I'm not really concerned about whether there'll be new upcoming adaptations of Jin Yong's works. I've already watched so many different versions until I'm quite sick of them now. I want to try the works of other Wuxia writers instead, like Gu Long, Liang Yusheng and Huang Yi.

The Legend of the Condor Heroes (2008 TV series)

Hope you don't mind I add a trivia section within The Legend of the Condor Heroes (2008 TV series).

Alright, but please don't add information that is subject to different POVs and cannot be verified. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 05:48, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

The Legend of the Condor Heroes (1988 TV series)

Ummm, as far as I know, they haven't made VCD/DVD of the series.

Casting Cecilia Liu on The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber (2009)

Do you think that they cast Cecilia Liu as Yellow Dress Maiden on The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber (2009) as a homage to her breakthrough role on The Legend of the Condor Heroes (2008) as Mu Nianci?

Unless you can provide a source to support this statement, it shouldn't be added in because it appears to be WP:OR. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 04:35, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Guo Jing

I've changed a little details on "Guo Jing." Don't know of its perfect.

Looks fine to me. I've made a few minor tweaks. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 04:35, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Ding Minjun

Remember in the novel, "毒手無鹽丁敏君" rough translation in English either "Wrench without salt Ding Minjun" by "Peng the Monk" Peng Yingyu ("彭和尚" 彭瑩玉).

Yes I am Chinese

I am a Chinese American.

The Return of the Condor Heroes (2006 TV series)

Hi, I made a change on the soundtrack section on The Return of the Condor Heroes (2006 TV series). It doesn't look great, so maybe you probably can do better.

The Legend of the Condor Heroes (2008)

Hey, have you bought the 2008 version of The Legend of the Condor Heroes (2008)? It isn't that bad. I bought the DVD set today at Barnes & Noble Bookstore. It is a USA version, not an international version, which has English, Mandarin, and Chinese subtitles and audios.

神話情

Hey, I just wondering if you want a Mandarin version of "San Wa Ching Wa" (神話情話) performed by Wakin Chau and Chyi Yu? You know, the song from Return of the Condor Heroes (1995)?

No thanks. I already have it in my Ipod. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 12:58, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

The Legend of Condor Heroes (2008)

Hey, have you bought The Legend of the Condor Heroes (2008) yet? Just wondering.

Nope. I won't have much time to watch, since I'm currently in National Service. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 06:15, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind that I add a second DVD cover on The Legend of the Condor Heroes (2008 TV series).

The Heaven Sword & Dragon Saber and The Legend of Condor Heroes songs

I've considers you as a friend, which is why I am offering you song from The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber (2008) and The Legend of Condor Heroes (2009) which I just downloaded. If you want them, let me know by give me your e-mail address.

Here a site here you can listen one of them: YouTube —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.125.137.151 (talk) 04:46, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Guo Jing#Seven Freaks of Jiangnan (江南七怪)

Hi, I'm not sure that I did the Guo Jing's martial art section of "Seven Freaks of Jiangnan" well.

Quite fine. I've made some minor adjustments. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 05:54, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Zhou Zhirou

Hey, someone proposed of deleting Zhou Zhirou. Thought you might want to know.

• • you think you can fix it? You probably wants to talk to this guy User:Neelix, since he's the one who proposed the deletion.

I've already left him a message on his talk page telling him to discuss with us on Talk:Zhou Zhiruo. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 07:53, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

The Legend of the Condor Heroes (2008 TV series)

Do you think I put too much images on The Legend of the Condor Heroes (2008 TV series)?

• • I fixed it.

Also, I added more trivias on The Legend of the Condor Heroes (2008 TV series) and The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber (2009 TV series) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.31.165.51 (talk) 03:57, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Soundtracks

Do you know if The Legend of the Condor Heroes (2003 TV series), The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber (2009 TV series), and The Legend of the Condor Heroes (2008 TV series) will have soundtrack releases? I love their songs.

No idea about soundtracks, but I do have the opening and ending theme songs of LOCH 2003 and 2008, and for quite a number of Wuxia TV series as well. Have you considered helping me translate the information about Zhou Zhiruo? I'll start working this weekend. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 13:37, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

• • • So you don't have any songs by Ariel Lin from the TV series?

As I've mentioned earlier, I haven't watched 2008 LOCH. I don't even know if Ariel Lin did perform any of the songs from the series. I haven't watched 2009 HSDS as well, by the way. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 13:26, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

• Hmmm, well, if you thinking of buying the DVDs for your collections, I suggests that you should buy them being manufactured by Tai Seng instead of Zong Yi Entertainment. Zong Yi Entertainment's made bad qualities DVDs and Tai Seng not only made theirs with better qualities, but also differnt audio and caption languages options. Even though I have the Zong YI's version of the 2009 HSDS , but I think I will purchase the Tai Seng version once it is available next month. I am glad that I only bought 2008 LOCH in Tai Seng version. As for Ariel Lin, one of her songs was on the background such as when Huang Rong at her mother's grave.

• You said that you have the opening and ending theme songs of LOCH 2008 Here's two more songs you might want to find: 英雄道 by 苏永康 (played during Guo Jing's attack on Samarkand) and 我只能爱你 by 彭青 (played when Huang Rong was inside her mother's grave). Adding these two you'll be completing the soundtrack of the show. I checked the end credits. My mistake is that I thought it was Ariel Lin who sang 我只能爱你.

Going to list out every Emei member's name from HSDS, are you?

"Going to list out every Emei member's name from HSDS, are you?"

• Mmmm, well.... added the minor characters' names, despite that they have no important roles. Their names only mentioned subsequently when Song Quingshu tries to please Abbess and and Emei, including memorized their names, and the Yellow Dressed Maiden after Jingjia tries to assasinnate Xie Xun.

...暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 13:26, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

The Young Warriors (少年杨家将)

Have you seen this tv series The Young Warriors (少年杨家将) which happens to be made by the same cast and crew of LOCH 2008? Was that a good show?

I haven't watched it. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 08:27, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber (2009 TV Series)

Have you seen 'The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber (2009 TV series), yet? Even though I got a copy made by Zong Yi Home Entertainment version, but it is a bad quality which is why I am planning to purchang the Tai Seng version. In my opinion, it surpassesThe Legend of the Condor Heroes (2003 TV series), and as great as The Return of the Condor Heroes (2006 TV series).

{{zh}}

Hi Lonelydarksky, thanks for all your contributions to the coverage of HK film and related topics. I just wanted to let you know that templates like {{zh-tspw}}, {{zh-ts}} are deprecated; instead of using these templates you can use {{zh}}, which has replaced all of them, from now on. rʨanaɢ (talk) 21:38, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes sure, I'll start using the new template for articles I edit from now on. Thanks for letting me know. :) 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 05:48, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi Lonelydarksky, I'd just like to add that the zh Wikipedia itself shouldn't be used as a reference (see WP:PRIMARY), thanks. Marasmusine (talk) 08:10, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Alright... 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 08:32, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Name change of character(s) list

Hey, recently, an editor has changed the page name for miscellaneous character lists (for example, List of characters from The Legend of the Condor Heroes to this new page). Perhaps you will want to express your views about this? NoNews! 05:49, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

No objections. He's trying to make the pages consistent with others, as he explained in the rationale for moving the pages. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 05:51, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Adding chinese movie titles to english wikipedia site

Hi,

I'm trying to add chinese movie titles alongside english movie titles for "Eddy Ko's page". I'm new to wikipedia and I'm not sure how to go ahead in doing it properly and not having it getdeleted. Can you please let me know the appropriate way to do this? Thanks for your help.

- Moondust

You can check out WP:ACTOR#Project style guidelines and WP:MOSBIO for more information and the correct guidelines in editing such articles. I've not used the filmography table for Eddy Ko's page yet because his filmography is still quite short. However, since you seem to be planning to expand it, the filmography table can thus come into place. The Chinese film titles are not really necessary, so they can be omitted. If you've any further problems, you can direct your queries to WP:New contributors' help page. I hope this helps. Oh yes, and please sign your posts in the correct manner, as stated at WP:SIGN#How to sign your posts. Thanks, and welcome to Wikipedia! :) 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 13:54, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi

I'm trying to add Chinese/Japanese texts to filmographies. As you probably know many times the translations are nowhere near the original titles, transliterations also vary with dialects (e.g. Mandarin vs. Cantonese). I see your point, but the fact is also many filmographies currently have Chinese text. We are both trying to improve the English side of Chinese actor biographies, let's work together rather than against one another. Cheers and thanks Timmyshin (talk) 04:54, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, indeed some of the translations do differ from the original titles. I'm not against adding Chinese text to filmographies. However, the community needs to come to a compromise on whether to allow Chinese text in filmographies in articles on Chinese actors. I'll start a discussion on whether to include titles in foreign text in filmographies on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers and we'll stick to the final decision by the community. Hopefully, that'll eliminate future conflicts. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 05:05, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Any update? Timmyshin (talk) 07:25, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

The discussion stopped three weeks ago, as you can see at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers#Foreign text for titles and roles in filmographies. Majority of the participants in the discussion seem to support the inclusion of foreign text in filmographies. However, we don't seem to have arrived at a clear consensus yet. I see you've not participated in the discussion, so why don't you share your views with us there as well? Once ready, I think we can draft a set of rules / guidelines based on that at WP:ACTOR for editors to follow in future. In the meantime, please continue with what you're doing. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 07:42, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Yijin_Jing unclarity

Hi Lonelydarksky.

I've taken a crack at cleaning up the historical section of Yijin_Jing to be a bit more informative -- the following sections I sadly don't feel too qualified to rework too much since I don't know much about the text itself, but I can probably at least clean up the language and make it all a bit smoother. Does this look like a step in the right direction?

Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Subverdor (talk • contribs) 20:28, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, I don't really know much about the Yijin Jing except for its role in Wuxia fiction. Basically, what I did to the article last month was to convert some Wades-Giles spelling into Hanyu Pinyin, standardize the use of Chinese terms and some minor cleanup. I took a glance at your recent edits to the page. It seems like you've added lots of new information to the page. They look fine to me. :) 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 14:40, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Chiang Sheng chinese name

on Chiang Sheng page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiang_Sheng. his family name was 邵, and 江生 was more like a stage name. therefore i did not pointed 江 as the family name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kattok (talk • contribs) 01:43, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Please change it then, if you think that the family name is incorrect. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 05:50, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

My apologies

Sorry about the confusion regarding the source for the plot summary on 14 Blades. I just wanted to avoid a possible copyright infringement problem. I’m sure you understand.

Yes, I understand. Don't worry about that. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 03:01, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Zhou Zhiruo

Hi Sky,

I noticed that you removed the prod tag from Zhou Zhiruo. Do you believe that there are more secondary sources that discuss Zhou Zhiruo in detail? If you do, I would greatly appreciate it if you would add them to the article. If you don't believe that there are other secondary sources, I will likely start an AfD for the article in the near future.

Neelix (talk) 14:32, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I believe there are more secondary sources that discuss the character in detail, but they might not be in English. I need time and help from my fellow editors to find those sources. This is not the first time I'm facing this problem. It's not easy to find a lot of secondary sources for such articles, especially sources in English. I don't quite understand why the work of fiction cannot be used as a source. I'm simply extracting information and quotations directly from it without adding anything that fits Wikipedia's definition of original research. Besides, I don't think information on such articles is merely WP:PLOTONLY. Thanks for pointing out the lack of sources. I'll work on that. :) 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 14:57, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi Sky,

Thank you for agreeing to look for sources for this article. The novel can certainly be used as a source; it simply isn't a source that demonstrates that the character is notable. Again, Chinese language sources are completely valid. There is no need for the secondary sources to be in English; there simply needs to be secondary sources.

Neelix (talk) 15:04, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Alright. Thanks for your understanding. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 15:45, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi Sky,

It's been five days and no secondary sources have been added to Zhou Zhiruo. If you still believe some exist and are willing to add them, please do so. As far as I can tell, there is not enough secondary sourcing available to demonstrate the notability of the character, so I will likely be nominating the article for an AfD soon.

Neelix (talk) 19:25, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Do you mind holding back the nomination for a week? I'm busy with studies at the moment and won't be spending as much time on Wikipedia as I used to. I've found some secondary sources, but as I've mentioned earlier, they're in Chinese. I've also requested assistance from my fellow editors with translating the information from those sources. Please give us some time to work on that. Thanks. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 14:11, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi Sky,

That's a reasonable request; I know how other commitments can keep one from editing for certain periods of time. I'll check back with you in a week.

Neelix (talk) 14:16, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I've added some new sources to the references section, but I've yet to translate the information. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 08:39, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi Sky,

Thanks for adding those sources to the reference section. You have written after the sources that one is a "reader's review" and another is a "reader's point of view". Are these professional reviews? Sources need to be verifiable in order to be used on Wikipedia, and they cannot be blog posts or their equivalents, such as information posted anonymously or without editing.

Neelix (talk) 13:08, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, my mistake. Yes indeed, the POV isn't reliable since it's POV. I added that it as I thought it might be of interest to readers, but it's gone now. The "reader's review" is actually a review essay about the character, published on a website that appears to be a collection of model essays on various topics. The last two links are actually extracts from a book about characters in Jin Yong's works. You can get someone to verify and double-check. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 13:24, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi Sky,

Don't worry, I trust you. Thanks for sourcing the article! I do, however, have similar concerns about the rest of the articles about characters in the Condor Trilogy. Now that you have located sources for Zhou Zhiruo, would it be easy for you to place similar sources on the other character articles? Neither of the articles for even the main characters currently demonstrate that these characters are notable.

Neelix (talk) 13:02, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, of course I'll do the same for the other characters. I wouldn't want the effort put into writing those articles by me and my friends to go to waste. However, I'll need time to work on that and I may edit articles on other topics in the meantime. I can't stay on Wuxia fiction articles all the time. Thanks. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 13:21, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi Sky,

That makes sense. Do you think you'll be able to demonstrate the notability of the other characters by the end of the summer? I could check back in September.

Neelix (talk) 17:11, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I'll try my best. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 12:44, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Wiki Water Margin Project

Hey I wouldn't mind joining the Water Margin Project, as you recommended in your message, so feel free to add me to the project. 飘零之琴 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 飘零之琴 (talk • contribs) 21:30, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Hu Sanniang

Hello, Why was my edit for Hu Sanniang deleted? I added the reason why her nickname is "yizhangqing". To non-readers it wouldn't make sense what "ten feet of blue" has to do with a female warrior. The reason is because "yizhangqing" does NOT mean "ten feet of blue", rather it was the common name for a sharp hairpin that ancient Chinese women wear. It has a beautiful appearance but can also be used as a weapon, which perfectly describes Hu Sanniang; beautiful and deadly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 飘零之琴 (talk • contribs) 19:39, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Because the information you've added appears to be original research (OR), as the information about the hairpin seems to be an interpretation of "一丈青". OR is not acceptable (or rather, not encouraged) on Wikipedia. You'll need to provide a reliable source to support the information about the hairpin if you want to add that in. Note that Chinese language sources are also acceptable, so you don't necessarily need to use English language sources. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 04:47, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

By the way, "一丈青" has other meanings. The hairpin information appears to be from chapter 52 of Dream of the Red Chamber. "一丈青" also refers to a type of venomous snake, and Hu Sanniang gets her nickname because her character resembles that snake. You can take a look at Baidu Baike for more information. Curiously, on Chinese Wikipedia, "一丈青" is the name of a type of plant. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 05:03, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

June 2010

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. When you make a change to an article, please provide an edit summary, which you forgot to do before saving your recent edit to Singapore Army. Doing so helps everyone to understand the intention of your edit. It is also helpful to users reading the edit history of the page. Thank you. Dave ^{♠♣♥♦1185♪♫™} 05:44, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Yongle the Great again

Thanks, and here I was thinking he'd given up. Dougweller (talk) 04:34, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

No problem. I think His Majesty revealed his exalted royal status once again by using another "emperor" username. By the way, 洪武帝 refers to the Hongwu Emperor. :) 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 04:47, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Seriously, I don't understand why he can't just give up and find himself another hobby. Each time he comes back, there's a very high probability that he'll get caught and be blocked again. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 04:51, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

He's certainly tiresome though. Thanks for the explanation of his name. Dougweller (talk) 08:44, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Three Kingdoms portal

Hello, Sure I'd love to work with the Three Kingdoms portal. (This computer is very awkward as it has no pinyin input, so I'll edit some Chinese articles when I get home) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 飘零之琴 (talk • contribs) 12:40, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it was my friend _dk who invited you to join Three Kingdoms Wikiproject, if you look at the signature at the end of his message. I'm also a member of the project, by the way. I've added your name to the members' list. A very warm welcome to you! 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 13:29, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Reviewer permission

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If you do not want this userright, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:37, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the reviewer userright. I'll do my best to put it to good use, even though I'm not quite familiar with reviewing yet. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 14:43, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. :) You can have a look at those links to understand what it is, but it's not that exciting really! It'll come in handy if anything on your watchlist is PC protected. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:56, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Autoreviewerpatrolled

Help us new page patrollers out by asking for the Autoreviewer flag. You can request it here. -- Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 00:50, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I'd like to help you, but I need to familiarize myself with reviewing first. I'll make the request after that. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 13:22, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Autoreviewer is different from the reviewer flag. There's been a lot of confusion about this so we recently changed the name from Autoreviewer to autopatrolled. -- Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 15:21, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

I've made a request. If I'm granted the autopatrolled userright, I may need some time to get the hang of it before I can start using it to help you guys. Thanks. :) 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 14:03, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Unsourced contributions

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, but when you add or change content please cite a reliable source for the content of your edit. This is particularly important when adding or changing any facts or figures and helps maintain our policy of verifiability. Take a look at Wikipedia:Citing sources for information about how to cite sources and the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you.   — Jeff G. ツ 04:16, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Which article are you referring to? 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 04:18, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

This edit to Guan.   — Jeff G. ツ 04:24, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't think the information is dubious. Kwan Tak-hing's surname "Kwan" is written as 關 in Traditional Chinese and is also pronounced as "Guan" in Mandarin. It's not a mistake. Besides, the article does not have any references at all in the first place. If you're saying that the information I've added should be removed because it is unsourced, then I believe that the same should apply to all the names in that list as well. I see you've also removed another name, Guan Xing.　暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 04:30, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your explanation. An Edit Summary would have explained in the first place.   — Jeff G. ツ 04:36, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I'll try to use an edit summary in future. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 04:39, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Overcategorisation

Hi, I've submitted Category:Historical characters in Wuxia fiction for deletion. This type of connection is unsuitable for our category system. For one, it is irrelevant to the understanding of historical characters who might have written a fictional work about them. And further, most of those characters have been used in hundreds if not thousands of books, which would eventually result in impractically large category lists. For exactly those reasons, the functionally equivalent Category:Historical characters in Jin Yong's works has also recently been deleted. If you have any questions about the rules guiding our category system, you might want to consult Wikipedia:Categorization. --Latebird (talk) 07:37, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

I've taken note of that. Thanks for informing me. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 13:54, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

垓下歌

　力量可以拔起大山，豪气世上无人可比。 　　可是这时代对我不利，我的乌骓马再也跑不起来了。 　　乌骓马不前进我能怎么办？ 　　虞姬啊虞姬，我可把你怎么办呢？ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwchng (talk • contribs) 03:17, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

垓下歌

　Okay, your version is quoted from some sources.

Below is a translation to modern Chinese.

力量可以拔起大山，豪气世上无人可比。

　　可是这时代对我不利，我的乌骓马再也跑不起来了。 　　乌骓马不前进我能怎么办？ 　　虞姬啊虞姬，我可把你怎么办呢？ from http://baike.baidu.com/view/74087.htm

I am no expert of classical Chinese, but I think this translation isn't too bad. maybe 无人可比 isn't a translation that is literal enough

And I am no expert in translating too, So, may be my translation wasn't accurate.

Now , please explain it to me how is it that to translate 奈若何 to "What will your fate be?" is accurate, or to translate 氣 to "might" is accurate?

In my opinion, using Dapple for 乌骓 isn't accurate either.

乌骓马出自于《西汉演义》中霸王项羽的坐骑，此马在项羽时期号称天下第一骏马。乌骓是一匹黑马，通体黑缎子一样，油光放亮，唯有四个马蹄子部位白得赛雪，乌骓背长腰短而平直，四肢关节筋腱发育壮实，这样的马有个讲头，名唤“踢云乌骓”。 from http://baike.baidu.com/view/949408.htm

dapple adjective, gray marked with spots of another color noun, a dappled animal from Webster dictionary (online)

通体黑缎 is not "gray marked with spots of another color"

You want to keep that translation, be my guest. But I think I will post my opinion there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwchng (talk • contribs) 03:37, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

While I am here, you may want to read this

I have no comments on this. I am no historian or language expert or anything.

作者争议 　　项羽虽然是一个失败者，但我们不应以成败论英雄。项羽的故事千古流传，项羽的这首《垓下歌》也成为一首千古绝唱。 　　也有一种说法是-------- 并无历史确凿证据表明此诗是项羽所写。所以有史学家推测此诗句可能是后人所作。 　　另有说法——《垓下歌》是后人所作，具体是谁不祥，其原因有如下几点： 　　一、项羽不喜读书，不好诗书 　　“年少时项梁曾请人教他书法诗歌，籍学了没多久便厌倦了；后梁又请人教他武艺，没多久又不学了；梁大怒！籍曰：“学文不过能记住姓名，学武不过能以一抵百，籍要学便学万人敌！”于是梁便教授他兵法。但其学了一段时间后又不愿意学了，梁只好顺着他不再管他．籍身高八尺，力能扛鼎，气压万夫，年青时志向便极为远大。”——参考自百度百科 　　二、由于秦朝的文化改革，很有可能项羽并不会接触楚辞的诗歌形式，所以很可能是后人所作，因为顾及到项羽是楚人，所以用仿楚辞而作。 　　三、如果在战前写，那么以项羽的性格，虽局势有变，但决不轻易言败的；如果是战时写的，那就更有点破绽了，战局如此之紧迫，哪有时间写东西，倒是很像最后决战时或自刎时的感叹，被后人做成诗句。 　　四、就算真是战争中所作，应该有很高的概率遗失，就连很多著名诗人的词句流传在市井，都有很多遗失了，何况一个只知道带兵打仗的霸王在乱军之中的作品呢。 　　综上所述，《垓下歌》的作者是不是项羽还有待考证。

from one of the webpages I quoted above —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwchng (talk • contribs) 03:58, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing your opinion on the song with me. However, I feel that a translation taken from a published university research paper is more likely to be accepted as a reliable source than one done by a Wikipedia editor. No offence to you, and I'm not saying that your translation isn't acceptable. If you can find a better translation for the song that is published in a reliable source, you can replace the current one with it. The 作者争议 section is interesting. You can include that on Xiang Yu's page in the Gaixia Song section, but you may need to cite another source instead of Baidu Baike, because some editors have expressed doubts about the reliability of Baidu as a source. Thanks. :) 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 13:42, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Finally

Hi LDS, nice to meet you. I believe I've seen you around. Surprise! Airplaneman ✈ 18:50, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the review. :) 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 04:43, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

NeoBatfreak's message

Hi, I've edited the pages List of The Legend of the Condor Heroes characters, Mu Nianci, Guo Jing, and Yang Kang. Don't know if they are okay or not.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 06:41, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

I've reworded the Mu Nianci part. I've also removed the "...in southern China." from Guo and Yang's pages because I feel that we don't need to be too detailed. I've reverted your edits to the character list because they're repetition of what you've added to Mu Nianci's page. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 12:54, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Begger's Chicken (叫化鸡)

Remember one of the meals Huang Rong made for Hong Qigong, the "Begger's Checken." I made it tonight and it was delicious.

If you want the recipe, here it is.

1. 1 fresh chicken, 3 to 3 1/2 pounds, cleaned
2. Marinade:
3. 2 tablespoons dark soy sauce
4. 1 tablespoon Chinese rice wine or dry sherry
5. 1 teaspoon ginger juice
6. green onion as desired
7. 2 teaspoons salt
8. Stuffing:
9. 6 shiitake mushrooms, fresh or dried
10. 4 ounces lean pork or pressed bean curd
11. 2 ounces Chinese pickled cabbage, preserved mustard greens, bamboo shoots, celery, onions, or other vegetables
12. 2 green onions
13. 1 tablespoon light soy sauce
14. 1 tablespoon Chinese rice wine or dry sherry
15. 1 teaspoon granulated sugar
16. 1/2 teaspoon sesame oil
17. 1/4 teaspoon five-spice powder (optional)
18. Other:
19. 2 tablespoons oil for stir-frying
20. 2 large sheets each of lotus leaf and aluminum foil for wrapping chicken.

To make the ginger juice, grate the ginger and squeeze out the juice until you have 1 teaspoon. In a small bowl, combine the marinade ingredients. Rub the marinade ingredients over the inside and outside of the chicken and let marinate for 1 hour. Soak dried lotus lead in hot water until soft. Wipe dry and spread sesame oil over leaf.

Preheat the oven to 400 degrees Fahrenheit.

While the chicken is marinating, prepare the vegetables and pork. If using dried shiitake mushrooms, reconstitute by soaking in warm water until softened. Squeeze dry and cut into thin slices. For fresh, wipe with a damp cloth and slice. Cut the pork into thin matchstick pieces. Finely chop the remaining vegetables.

In a wok or heavy frying pan, heat 2 tablespoons of oil over medium-high to high heat. Add the green onion and the pork. Stir-fry until the pork is crisp and nearly cooked through, then add the mushrooms and preserved greens. Stir in the soy sauce, rice wine or dry sherry, sugar, sesame oil and five-spice powder if using. Remove from the pan.

Stuff the chicken loosely with the stuffing and close with skewers or strong toothpicks. Wrap the chicken tightly with lotus leaf then aluminum foil. Place the wrapped chicken in a roasting pan.

Bake the chicken for 80 minutes. Bake for another 15 minutes or until the juices run clear and the temperature of the chicken in the thickest part of the thigh is 180 degrees Fahrenheit. Remove the stuffing and serve with the chopped up chicken.

Also, this recipe was created during the Qing Dynasty, not Song Dynasty. Legend has it that a homeless, starving beggar had a chicken but didn’t have a stove to prepare it. Desperate for food, he came up with an idea. He killed the chicken and covered it with mud and baked it with fire…

A Qing-dynasty Emperor (乾隆皇帝) passed by. Attracted by the aroma of the baked chicken, he stopped and dined with the beggar. The Emperor loved the “Beggar’s Chicken” so much that it was added to the list of dishes served at the Imperial court. Hence, Beggar’s Chicken is also called “富贵鸡” (literally “rich and noble chicken”) in Beijing.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 16:12, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Hahaha... I'm surprised that you actually went to look for the recipe. :) 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 13:04, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

• Sorry to interrupt, lurker here... many thanks for the recipe, will get wife to make it this Sunday. So if it doesn't taste up to expectation, I could blame her or she could blame the recipe. =P --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦1185♪♫™} 13:48, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi there, I wasn't quite expecting to see a lurker here. I'm quite sick of chicken now, as there'll definitely be chicken in the cookhouse menu everyday. Hahaha... 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 13:56, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

• Cookhouse with chicken on menu? BMT or ICT? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦1185♪♫™} 14:08, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Have already passed out from BMT. Currently working in a stay-out camp. What's ICT? 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 14:11, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

• Guess you're not an old bird then, ICT = in-camp-training. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦1185♪♫™} 14:22, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

You're right, I'm a NSF. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 14:27, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it was already within one of my cook books. --NeoBatfreak (talk) 16:11, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

List of The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber characters

I made some minor edits on List of The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber characters on Yuan Dynasty section.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 07:14, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Repetition. The information that you've added to Zhao Min and Köke Temür is already on their respective individual articles. Besides, if you check the revision history, you'll see that you're adding back redundant information that I've just removed several days ago. You can consider creating a new article for Chaghan Temür. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 12:59, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Zhou Zhiruo

Should I add "Technique of Ambidexterity," the skill created by Zhou Botong in Zhou Zhiruo's martial arts sction? Because, while it is not explicitly said, but she uses both the "Nine Yin White Bone Claw" and "White Boa Whip Skill" against and defeated Yu Lianzhou and Yin Liting Lion-Slaying Ceremony, thus uses a different set of martial arts technique for each hand against her opponents which match the description of what Zhou Botong had created. According to the Yellow Dressed Maiden, Wudang's Tai-Chi Fist and Tai Chi Swordplay could have counter the "Nine Yin White Bone Claw" and "White Boa Whip Skill" respectively and they would have able to defeat her. However, Zhou uses the "Nine Yin White Bone Claw" to counter the "Tai-Chi Swordplay" on one hand, and "White Boa Whip" skill to the "Tai-Chi Fist" on the other. The instruction of the skill could have been hidden within other manuals.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts with me. However, once again, information that is not clearly stated in the original source (in this case, the novel) should not be added to the article. It constitutes original research because it appears to be based on your personal analysis, and is something that cannot be quoted directly from the source. I think it'd be more suitable for a fan discussion forum than an encyclopedia. :) 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 13:16, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

The Legend of the Condor Heroes (2008 TV series)

The "Reception" section becomes more untidy as more information is added to it. Honestly, I don't think there's a need to list every single way the TV series deviates from the original story. Just list some significant ones will do. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 09:19, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

You are welcome to make some changes. Also, will Jing Yong would write another novel detailing Guo Jing and Huang Rong's fall? I mean, we never know what exactly happen and why Yang Guo (assumingly) wasn't there to save them . --NeoBatfreak (talk) 01:48, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

In that case, I'll proceed to implement those changes to the "Reception" section that I already have in mind. I doubt Jin Yong would write another novel. You can try discussing this with other people at Wuxiasociety. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 13:53, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

You should watch the show if you hadn't yet. If you thinking of buying it, in addition of The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber (2009), you must buy them from Tai Seng instead of from Zong Yi Entertainment. Tai Seng offers better qualities. Despite LOTC (2008) is deviating from the original story, it is still an exciting series. Here's a spoiler that you might laugh:

Guo Jing tries to win Yang Kang's favor after Yang ackknowledges his father. Annoyed of being harrased by an imbecile, Yang beat up Guo to get him to leave him alone. When Guo tries to cover up the incident, he said that that he was attack by a "wild pig."

Cecilia Liu

Hi, I made a new page Cecilia Liu, because I think she deserve it due to her recent popularity because of her portrayal as a strong-willed version of Mu Nianci. However, it is not that great. Any chance you can help improve it?--NeoBatfreak (talk) 01:33, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

The page is still far from a stub. For a start, I believe you should at least include a lead section or short introductory paragraph. After that, you can include a section for the filmography. Check out WP:BLP and WP:ACTOR for more information. I'll let you try first before rendering any assistance. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 13:09, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Can you help with the page Cecilia Liu, please?--NeoBatfreak (talk) 04:59, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh, it appears that some fellow Wikipedians have already offered their help with translating the Chinese text. Alright, I'll help you with the filmography section. Give me some time to work on that. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 05:02, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

I've placed the filmography in table form and added a more complete infobox. I've also split part of the lead section into a biography section, which I'll leave to you to expand. You can drop me a note again if you need help. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 05:36, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

The Heaven Sword and the Dragon Saber (2009 TV Series)

Hi, do you think I should upload the image of the Tai Seng (USA) version of The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber (2009 TV series) DVD cover and replace the promotional poster to differentiate the English version from the Chinese version page of wikipedia?--NeoBatfreak (talk) 04:05, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Mu Nianci and Zhao Min

Hi, can you help me translate some texts on the pages of Mu Nianci and Zhao Min? I maybe able to read Chinese, but lack the skill to translate them.

These descriptions are hard to translate, but I'll try. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 14:30, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

The Young Warrors

Hi, I am going to make a page for the television series The Young Warriors at some point in the future. When I did, I hope that you can help me on improving it. Thank you.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 04:15, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

I've not watched the series before. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 15:14, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

• Hi, I've made more contributions to The Young Warriors (2006 TV series). Any chance that you can help see if any more improvement can be made, please? --NeoBatfreak (talk) 04:36, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

A poster or DVD cover? 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 13:43, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Chinese Paladin 3

Have you watched Chinese Paladin 3? Is it great? I guest by now you have watched The Legend of the Condor Heroes (2008). Hope you didn't disppoint. Also, I made some contributions on Chinese Paladin and Chinese Paladin 3 televsion series in addition of The Legend of the Condor Heroes (2008). --NeoBatfreak (talk) 03:51, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Book of Wumu

I've made minor contribution of the Book of Wumu. Please sees if there's any more clarification needed.

Thank you

Thank you for the help on The Young Warriors (2006 TV series) and A Weaver on the Horizon (2010 TV series). On your advice I've already added promotional posters on both articles. I'm not good on translating, and uses a translator on my computer to help, which I don't think it is perfect. Not to mention, as you've already know, that I am never good at grammar.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 18:36, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. Lonelydarksky (暗無天日) _{contact me (聯絡)} 03:31, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your recent edits. Can you do it again on The Young Warriors (TV series)? I've added a soundtrack section. Wish I can own the CD though. It seems like it is out of print.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 04:31, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

I've shorten it out

As you suggested, I've shorten A Weaver on the Horizon (2010 TV series) out without too much details. --NeoBatfreak (talk) 18:29, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

The Vigilantes in Masks(《怪侠一枝梅》)

Hi,Lonelydarksky, how have you been? The reason I write is because because I want to ask if you have watch Cecilia Liu's new wuxia television series The Vigilantes in Masks(《怪侠一枝梅》) yet? I'm at US, so my station haven't receive the program yet. Is it as good as it look on the trailer? The segment of Hu Ge recording its theme song 《天地梅花開》 sounds so cool.Sina Video--NeoBatfreak (talk) 09:07, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

I've been quite busy for the past month or so. I didn't have much time to watch any TV series lately. Lonelydarksky (暗無天日) _{contact me (聯絡)} 15:09, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi,Lonelydarksky. I've added a little more details on A Weaver on the Horizon. Not sure that I'm grammatically good on the article, which I hope you can help me proffread it or so. Thanks you very much for all you help in the past.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 07:57, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

The Legend of the Condor Heroes (2008 TV series)

Thanks for your edits on The Little Fairy. Also, I've added more info on the production of The Legend of the Condor Heroes (2008 TV series) and Hu Ge's acting credits.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 03:47, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber (2000 TV series)

Hi, I've addes a soundtrack section on The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber (2000 TV series).--NeoBatfreak (talk) 02:12, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Startling by Each Step

Can you help me translate that cast member list of the upcoming 2011 time-travel television series Startling by Each Step?--NeoBatfreak (talk) 05:20, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Can you help me proofread Startling by Each Step ?--NeoBatfreak (talk) 02:41, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Wu Chun

Although you may think Wu Chun is extremly handsome, wikipedia is not the place to express your opinion, especially not the article space, I have reverted your POV edit--Lerdthenerd (talk) 12:09, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Please take a careful look again at what I've undone. The comment I made in the edit summary was meant to be sarcastic. Thanks. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 12:11, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

oops just realised, yeah I saw the Sarci edit summary thas what had me concerned in future, just write reverting POV or something like that, mind you i like to add some humour into my edit summaries too--Lerdthenerd (talk) 12:16, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry about that. I fully understand that people do make mistakes at times. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 12:22, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

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Angela Pan

Hi. I've re-worked the above page, mostly the filmography table. First, I cut {{filmography table begin}} (which I wrote the original version of), as we've deprecated that template, and the 'end' one. I've also removed the rowspans, as they're problematic for a number of reasons; they are incompatible with sorting and have accessibility issues; see: Help:Sorting#Limitations and listen to: User:RexxS/Accessibility, for an example of how text-to-speech systems have trouble with the missing cells. Such tables make no sense to some users. I see that a couple of the tv pieces have no translated title and this causes them to sort to the end (the sorting controls appear in the header cell, if you're unfamiliar with this system). It would be goodness to have translations ;) This is, I think, the first filmography we've reworked this way that involves non-western characters, so your input will be most welcome. The user I'm mostly working with on this is User:Rossrs and I'll leave him a note about this. See WP:ACTOR#Filmography tables for our suggestions.

I've kept the columns around the two tables, but don't think it a good approach; it will get all scrunched on small displays.

fyi, I've been to Singapore many times; a regular at Kinokuniya.

Cheers, Jack Merridew 23:06, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

row/col spans

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Thank you for your help. I think that the rowspans for the years can be retained, because it'll be rather troublesome to keep adding the same year over and over again in the table. Apart from that, the changes you've made to the article are fine. Actually, I'm not involved in the regular maintenance and updating of the page. I passed by yesterday and saw that it was very untidy and full of unnecessary information (Vietnamese titles, co-actors, running times etc), so I decided to take some action in cleaning up and removing the redundant stuff. Enjoy your trip if you're planning to visit Singapore again. :) 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 12:45, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

There's been a ton of talk about issues with rowspans. 'Optimizations' such as omitting years are about omitting data; the accessibility issues are real; text-to-speech with missing data makes no sense. And try sorting by title; the years are only together when you're sorting by year (or viewing the base-order). Anyway, we're supposed to be using wikitext, not html; it key to the wiki. Personally, I have no trouble with the syntax; I'm a developer. But I see people breaking tables all the time because they don't really understand code, and rowspans are something most people don't get. How many editors can take this sample table and make it a mirror-image of the original?

Any chance you can translate the remaining titles? fyi, I lived in Bali for years; Singapura was about shopping and new visas. I visited at least a dozen times.

Cheers, Jack Merridew 06:24, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 13:35, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Japanese ghosts tv show/reality show

Hello Lonelydarksky!! I saw you are a member of the WikiProject Horror, and i would like to ask you, if you know list of names about japanese ghosts of reality tv shows. i´ve tried to look here... but really, i didn´t found... Can you help me?! Light Warrior^{Conspiracy?!?} 04:52, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I can't help you. I watch Japanese horror movies, but not reality TV shows. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 05:04, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Wang Ling

Hi, now that you've converted Wang Ling into a disambiguation page, could you help fix the links that need to be re-pointed per WP:FIXDABLINKS? (Navigation popups, with the popupFixDabs flag set to true, is very helpful.) Cheers! --JaGa^talk 15:27, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Done. Did I miss out anything? 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 16:12, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Wow, that was fast! Thanks for the cleanup. --JaGa^talk 16:13, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

No problem. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 16:14, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

The Milhist election has started!

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Another sock

I found our friend adding an AfD template (from an article not related to anything he's interested in that I'd taken to AfD) to Ming articles. He's been blocked and 3 more IP ranges blocked. Dougweller (talk) 05:53, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Well done. He'll be back again some time later. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 13:07, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Afds

Hi, Regarding the AfDs that you have just started for various redirects - redirects should be discussed at WP:RfD, not AfD - I'm going to speedily close all the AfD discussions and send them to the correct venue. Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 06:43, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I'll take note of that. Thanks. 暗無天日 _{contact me (聯絡)} 06:44, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Your sig

Lonelydarksky,

Could you please edit your signature to include your username in Latin letters? Since most English users don't read Chinese, and you can't rely on people being able to mouseover and read the statusbar, the latin username needs to be there. Thank you. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 05:33, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I've added my English username to my signature. However, I prefer to keep the four Chinese characters. Lonelydarksky (暗無天日) _{contact me (聯絡)} 06:01, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Chronology of Jin Yong's novels

Hey Lonelydarksky, there has been a proposition to delete the timeline page of Jin Yong's novels. According to User:Jfgslo (who has also successfully proposed for the deletion of other timelines), it seems to constitute WP:OR and lacks other sources to back it up. However, I do not feel that there is really a need to delete the article; besides, all of the complete timelines have been transferred to templates, so it will not be much useful to delete it, as the templates can still be transcluded onto their respective novel articles. What do you think then? NoNews! 02:48, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

This isn't the first time we're facing this problem. I've commented on the AFD page. I think it's possible to move the page to your userspace (User:Newfraferz87/Sandbox/Chronology of Jin Yong's novels) if the page is really deleted. You can continue improving it there and move it back to the mainspace when it's ready. Lonelydarksky (暗無天日) _{contact me (聯絡)} 05:31, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Your removal of Chinese characters

Your removal of Chinese characters is largely correct. However, for places and persons who do not have articles of their own, Chinese characters should remain in place. See WP:MOS-ZH. Thanks. --Nlu (talk) 05:31, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Alright. Lonelydarksky (暗無天日) _{contact me (聯絡)} 05:33, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Banpo symbols

This was an unreferenced article. An editor changed the image to one giving someone's interpretation, with no reference. I reverted it, was accused of WP:POINT, and it was replaced with this: [3] - is it a reliable source? I also think interpretations should go in the article where they can be discussed. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 17:33, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

See my talk page. Dougweller (talk) 19:51, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

It's hard for me to comment on this, as this is the first time I've heard of the Banpo symbols. From my observation, it appears that the dispute between you and User:Tomchen1989 is over the meaning of the symbols, which he added yesterday together with the new image. This source provided by him does seem reliable at a first glance. Here's an article on Baidu Baike about Yu Xingwu (于省吾), the researcher he mentioned. Lonelydarksky (暗無天日) _{contact me (聯絡)} 04:48, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. It's hard when a name is written (in 'English') in more than one way. It would be nice to find some sources actually in English. Dougweller (talk) 19:43, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Epic Barnstar
		For making high numbers of improvements to Three Kingdoms-related articles, you are awarded the Epic Barnstar. Nlu (talk) 16:24, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

What a pleasant surprise. Thank you! Lonelydarksky (暗無天日) _{contact me (聯絡)} 03:35, 21 December 2010 (UTC)