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ITN recognition for Jack Charles (actor)

On 15 September 2022, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Jack Charles (actor), which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. PFHLai (talk) 05:10, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Bachelor of computer application

It is different course provided in India not like bsc cs Or it it deal with all the programing language and hardware thing which is like mixture of engineering and bsc maths why are you changing. Arghaya das dev (talk) 08:22, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, Arghaya das dev, but I don't really know what you're talking about. I reverted some of your edits owing to style issues only, and can only assume that you are referring to the Bachelor of Science in Information Technology article? You had added a self-referring link from Bachelor of computer application under See also, which makes no sense. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 08:57, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Laterthanyouthink There was the other page bachelor of computer application which was redirect to bachelor of science in information technology Arghaya das dev (talk) 09:02, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, Arghaya das dev, but what did you want to do with the redirect? The target article could do with some work on it, and it is here that detail about the Indian course could be added (with citations of course). Laterthanyouthink (talk) 09:22, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Sam Reid birthday

Sam Reid’s IMDb says he was born February 19, 1987 so how would I cite that as a reference Tnays20 (talk) 22:12, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi Tnays20. IMDb is not a reliable source for personal information - see WP:CITEIMDB. For living people (WP:BLP) the standards are high for citations, especially WP:DOB. You will need to find evidence that his DOB is shared openly on reliable sources. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:21, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

I found Sam Reid’s birthday listed on rotten tomatoes as February 19, 1987 can I cite that as a source. Tnays20 (talk) 17:19, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

No, sorry Tnays20, RT is not a reliable source for biographical information - probably copied from IMDb. Read the links I've provided above and see if you can find an independent RS, else just leave it. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 03:24, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi again Tnays20. After raising another discussion on the reliable sources noticeboard, opinion still seems to be split about using RT as a source, but some editors seem to think it's okay, so I guess we may as well use it. It would be better to find another source, but I will add it for now. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:19, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you. Sam Reid is just so handsome so it bothered me. It to see him without a birthday Tnays20 (talk) 02:29, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Ha ha. Well, although Wikipedia does not assign weight to handsomeness, now you have it! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 12:17, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

VAC Disambiguation

Hi. I saw your edit to the recent VAC Disambiguation page where you removed the link to the Vergence-Accommodation Conflict article. The article is currently a draft that I submitted. The content of my edit to the VAC Disambiguation page is indeed mentioned in the article draft, so I’d like to revert the change to the Disambiguation page so that when the article gets accepted there will already be a link. Rosedaler (talk) 21:53, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi Rosedaler, and thanks for your note. I found your draft article and made a few copyediting changes to it, but think that it probably needs a few more inline citations to each fact and probably a bit more fleshing out before it will be passed. You have plenty of sources, but the size is still only 237 words of readable prose, which means it's only stub class. Also note my changes and comment about lower-casing the term. However I did add a sentence about it in the virtual reality article as well, and so have re-added the redlink to the DAB page, linking to the section where it is now mentioned in the VR article, pending the moving of your article to mainspace. (When it gets there, the link to the VR article can be removed.) Laterthanyouthink (talk) 03:31, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Always fantastic work from you! Poketama (talk) 16:27, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Poketama. :-) Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:43, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Marten Bequest moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Marten Bequest, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 17:11, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Onel5969 - I've expanded and re-submitted this article now. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:47, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

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Brownes Lake / Kroweratwari

Hello, Laterthanyouthink, I believe you've forgotten to add a target page for Brownes Lake / Kroweratwari to redirect to. Waddles 🗩 🖉 01:44, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for the heads-up, WaddlesJP13. I was doing a bunch of them in a rush before heading out and obviously didn't check that one after saving. Another editor has stepped in and fixed it, but thanks for letting me know. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 04:00, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Mitchell Butel

Hi Laterthanyouthink, I removed this sentence as the term "homosexual" (rather than "gay") is often now considered to be a slur (see etymology of that word on wiki itself, and in various other articles) and possibly in breach of wiki etiquette. The term is not used in the cited article. Also, seeming to direct quote "shame and self-hatred" seemed a bit erroneous. These appear to be the journalist's words, not the subject's, in the cited article. The other two slight changes were a spelling mistake and a fact error. Sorry for slow response to your other message. Have not viewed page for some time. No COI or connection. Just a curious theatregoer (with clearly less wiki experience than yourself! Thank you for all your work on wiki) who noticed missing info on the subject's page and sought to add objective info with citations. I'm encouraged to add to other pages now! Good idea re table rather than prose. Good adds of other roles and interests. All the best, Dirk. Dirk Elliott (talk) 22:20, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Dirk Elliott, thanks for getting back to me. I had already forgotten about that one, but appreciate your input. I think I used the word homosexual in the context of the homophobia he experienced (and use of the term at the time), but it doesn't matter. Please do keep editing! We do need more editors in the Australian arts, and it's great to have people who are interested in a topic. I usually just list awards as dot points (with asterisks) in ascending date order, with the date in front, if there are not dozens of them. To my mind that is easier and quicker to scan-read. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:47, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Vera List Center for Art and Politics

Hi, Laterthanyouthink... i was happy when i saw, how good we work together and i feel thankful for the work you put into this.. just one question, what does {{cn|date=October 2022}} do or say? I haven't seen this before... by the way, i would find it helpful if there was an extra article on the Jane Lombard Prize for Art and Social Justice - i found it quite rare that in the article on the Center it still is named differently and one then has to add (which you did perfectly with "formerly"...) is there a forwarding if someone searches for the new name to this article on the center? And: thank you very much for correcting my entry and linking it in the wikipedia! Very kind of you! By the way, did you know that Vincent has won a huge grant in 2022? If not, i can send you the link to the article. Kind regards, Naomi Hennig (talk) 13:42, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi Naomi Hennig. Thanks for your note. I did a bit of tidying on that article but it really needs quite a lot more, which I don't have time for, hence the templating about some of the issues. The template "cn" is an abbreviation for "citation needed". Yes, I have created redirects for " Jane Lombard Prize for Art and Social Justice" as well as Vera List Center Prize for Art and Politics,, so that anyone searching for either name will find the page. I don't know whether the prize itself needs a separate article, but that will have to wait for someone else! I have done a bit more of a quick clean-up of some more inline external links (that is, those that link to other websites); these should all be properly formatted as inline citations. Only wikilinks (to other Wikipedia articles, or occasional redlinks for likely future articles) should be place in the text.

No, I did not know about Vincent's grant, so by all means please just copy the link here on my talk page and I will add it to the article soon. Thanks for your work! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:33, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. I can pretty much relate to having to do too much at the moment. I'm preparing a new article for the German wikipedia and i do have 100 articles to work through... (and i can only work 1-2 hours per day on it)... here is, what i wrote in my German wikipedia-article on Vincent: "In 2022, Vincent Namatjira was one of 10 artists to win the prestigious Sidney Myer Creative Fellowship. It includes a tax-free grant of 160,000 Australian dollars over the period of two years for the creation of new works." (translated it from my German text to English) and here is the link: <ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.danceaustralia.com.au/news/2022-sidney-myer-creative-fellows-announced |title=2022 Sidney Myer Creative Fellows Announced |website=www.danceaustralia.com |date=2022-10-04 |access-date=2022-10-04}}</ref> Kind regards, --Naomi Hennig (talk) 01:31, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Cassius Turvey

Hello Laterthanyouthink, if you happened to have any time or energy and were willing to have a look, I recently created an article Killing of Cassius Turvey, and am hoping to get a few more editors just to look over it. It did get an initial review through articles for creation, but given my relative novice editing and the sensitive nature of it, I thought the more editors looking at it the better, and I have seen you help out on some similar articles before. Dauwenkust (talk) 05:11, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Dauwenkust. That is a very good start indeed, well done! I have just expanded it a bit and created structure to allow for further growth, and did a bit of minor copyediting, in particular adding dates to the citations as it is sometimes useful to see the sequence of events in incidents that unfold over days or weeks. Keep up the good work! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 06:03, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

p.s. I also just created a redirect from the boy's name. And will add to the Turvey DAB page. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 06:10, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks you very much, the work done is amazing and I can see some other good editors getting involved as well! Dauwenkust (talk) 12:53, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

No worries, Dauwenkust. BTW if you haven't come across it yet, this citer tool is very handy for creating citations quickly. You just need to bear in mind that it's not perfect and the results should always be checked. It does well with Google Books and many journals, but occasionally doesn't cope at all, or gets title and website swapped, or picks up the wrong date. But still much quicker than constructing them manually! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:03, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

I havn't yet, thanks! citations are definitely an area I still need a lot of improvement in! Dauwenkust (talk) 00:16, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Marten Bequest has been accepted

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Thanks! Yes, I have created quite a lot of articles already, but someone chose to draftify my first version of that one (rather unnecessarily, IMO), so I improved it and thought I had to resubmit it via that channel. Thanks for approving. If it happens again I'll just move it back myself. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 02:23, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Super Biton de Ségou moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Super Biton de Ségou, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?). The three references that are there all shops selling the albums. They are effectively non-rs. Please add WP:SECONDARY sources, reviews of the albums would idea and ping me when your finished and I will mainspace it. Great article apart from that. scope_creep^Talk 16:59, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi scope creep, thanks for the review and subsequent upgrade. I had intended to get back to expand it a bit, but just to note, Frank Bessem's website is not a shop, but "a personal, non-commercial web site intended to spread information about African music and musicians of African origin". Anyway I'll add a bit more and just finish tidying it this morning. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 23:58, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Laterthanyouthink: No problem. Sorry I was so hasty. I planning to reference it draft, if I could. I couldn't find anything initially in a WP:BEFORE, but after searching in Google Books, with the correct term this time, loads of entries showed up, it was back to mainspace. They are massive. scope_creep^Talk 00:02, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

No worries, and thanks for your note. I'm doing a bit more work on it now and will come back to it later in the day. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:09, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

"Clothesline (magazine)" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Clothesline (magazine) and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 November 29#Clothesline (magazine) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Fram (talk) 09:09, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Report for vandalism???

Hi Later,

Is there any particular reason why you reverted 5 of my previous edits, then decided to report me for vandalism? I'd like to know exactly why. Heh0002 (talk) 17:14, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi Heh0002. There were a few reasons which added up, when these changes came up on my watchlist, which tend to lead to reversions:

• Unexplained edit - no edit summary
• Unexplained removal of content
• An edit that removes content, with a summary that says "very dumb"
• The fact that you already have two warnings on your page about adding unsourced content
• In Pallas's sandgrouse, you inserted two blank lines unnecessarily, and moved content from the body, where it belongs, into the lead (see WP:LEADFOLLOWSBODY) - this is just the kind of things that look like disruptive editing

Busy editors don't have time to assess every single thing individually and so edits are often reverted on a combination of factors like this. I see that another editor has already re-reverted one of those which you chose to re-revert, no doubt also based on one or more of the above reasons. I see that you have a welcome panel with links on your talk page, so please have a look at some of these and familiarise yourself with wp policies, or your edits are likely to be reverted again, whether by me or someone else. I hope this helps. It is nothing personal, and I hope that you will continue to build Wikipedia constructively. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 06:38, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Adelaide cinemas

Worthy of remembrance, if not an article, is the privately-owned Windsor in Brighton. Two shows for the price of one, programme changed twice a week and the cheapest choc-tops of any cinema. It was still running when we visited three months ago, 35 years after our first attendance. Doug butler (talk) 01:54, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Doug butler. Wow, that is something! I hadn't actually intended to get quite so bogged down in cinema articles and mentions, but one thing led to another... I see that that cinema is mentioned in the lead of the Brighton, South Australia article, but uncited. Perhaps needs a sub-heading in the Events and attractions section. I'll have a look once I've finished the current round (if you don't want get there first!). Laterthanyouthink (talk) 05:23, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Even less notable, I guess, is (was?) the little theatre on Kensington Road. Saw The Red Violin there. I had good ears then, and just loved their sound. We're 1000 km distant now, so quite out of touch with things South Australian. Doug butler (talk) 05:38, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

You don't mean the old Chelsea, now Regal Theatre, Adelaide, do you, Doug butler?

I suppose it must be. Not my side of town, and don't remember any art nouveau, just the sound . I know you don't want to get bogged down in cinemas, but do you have a copy of Adelaide's Silent Nights ? I could oblige. Doug butler (talk) 03:01, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer, Doug butler. You're right, I don't want to get bogged down... But perhaps sometime in the new year? (I do love old cinemas!) Do you have it as a PDF, and how long is it? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 05:00, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Laterthanyouthink!

Happy New Year!

Laterthanyouthink,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. See this for background context.
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   Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

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Thank you, Moops, and all the very best for the coming year to you too. And to all other editors who may happen upon this message! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 23:55, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

TY... I needed that! See my talk page for more on that haha. Or the the Teahouse... been some past 48 hours! :) — Moops ^⋠T⋡ 00:00, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Wow - quite a lot of discussion! Well I am always happy to receive a greeting. Your name is familiar so we may have interacted some time in the past, but I don't remember now. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:10, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Cumberbatch

• St Nicholas Abbey = The Old Cumberbatch Plamtation House

• [1] ... 1690s when Joshua Cumberbatch arrived, with his family, from Bristol. They prospered in the sugarcane economy, controlling several plantations between Speightstown and Bathsheba. It is a very British name referring to Comberbach, a small village in Cheshire.

• https://scholarworks.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=7193&context=etd

91.54.5.126 (talk) 04:04, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the information and citations. This is probably better placed on the talk page of related articles, but I will have a look when I get to it. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 10:16, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

January 2023 (Tony Briggs)

All I did was reword it to be more encyclopedic in tone and make the link to the film prettier, for lack of a better term. If you look at the differences, you can see that. Afheather (talk) 22:45, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi Afheather. Apologies for not noticing that you had not introduced that content, but your punctuation was incorrect anyway, and it would have been nice if you could have added a citation while you were there, to improve the article further. I have now expanded it quite a bit, and added a citation for that film. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:17, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion contested: Bharti surname

Hello Laterthanyouthink. I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Bharti surname, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The reason given is not a valid speedy deletion criterion. Thank you. BangJan1999 10:34, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

TAC

Hi. You have reverted my edit : Total Area Coverage in printing and ink/color management because "Neither the term nor the abbreviation is mentioned in the target article.". OK, but the term is real, so why you have reverted all, istead of link ? Soul surfer (talk) 15:32, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi Soul windsurfer. This is because TAC is a disambiguation page, to which specific rules apply - see WP:DAB & MOS:DAB. If the term is real and it belongs in that article, then it needs to be specifically mentioned, described and cited there first (including the abbreviation). Once that is done, then the link to it can be added to the DAB page. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:23, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Groves (surname)

Red link suggests a future article - when?? These red links have been there for more than a year. Regards Denisarona (talk) 08:04, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Please also see WP:APORED which says that the red link articles should be added soon. Thanks Denisarona (talk) 08:07, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi Denisarona. So long as the person is notable enough to warrant an article, it doesn't matter. See WP:REDLINK. There are many redlinks that have been there for years. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 08:09, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

How do we know if the person is notable if they don't have an article?? Cleaning up ancient redlinks makes sense. Denisarona (talk) 08:11, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

(after two editing clashes) Redlinks are useful because that way, several incoming links already exist when the article is created - also a way of seeing how many redlinks exist on the topic already. I only bother removing them if they are many years old, obviously stale, and unlikely to ever have an article created. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 08:14, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dera

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dera. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:24, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hello, Laterthanyouthink. Thank you for your work on Centre for Aboriginal Studies in Music. User:Onel5969, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

Nice job on the article.

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Thanks! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 11:40, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

EUPHEMIA

That was a perfectly sensible addition to the page. If you want to do it 'correctly', the information is at https://www.nordpoolgroup.com/4a835e/globalassets/archive/euphemia-public-description_nov2013.pdf and other documents on the nordpoolgroup website. 78.148.83.242 (talk) 13:08, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

@78.148.83.242 Please read WP:DAB to understand the role of disambiguation pages. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 16:56, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Soverign Citizen text

On the Aboriginal Tent Embassy page, I removed the text “(a type of alt-right fringe movement which rejects law enforcement, including the courts, and elected officials)” after the link to sovereign citizens#Australia as I saw it as redundant with the hyperlink. If this is not it keeping with WP:MOS, please tell me how. Mach61 (talk) 15:09, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Unexplained removal of content is always suspicious and likely to be reverted - best to use edit summaries to avoid this in future. I suggest raising this issue on the article talk page for discussion by other interested editors. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 18:23, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Systemic Bias Barnstar
		For continual high quality editing on Aboriginal topics and pages. Poketama (talk) 04:41, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Ryan Hreljac

Hi there. I work for Ryan's Well Foundation and will be making some updates to the information on the Ryan Hreljac page. I'll do my best to cite sources but in fact, how would you cite Ryan's updated position to Executive Director. Thanks very much. Susan Mackie, Communications Coordinator, Ryan's Well Foundation May 31, 2023 76.68.35.56 (talk) 15:55, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi. I will have a look and comment on the article talk page shortly, but in general Wikipedia requires reliable sources for everything published. Also, please have a read of WP:COI. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:55, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

just thought I'd tell you

WP:SET INDEX doesn't exist. —theMainLogan (t•c) 03:34, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Okay, thanks - typed in haste in edit summary. It's WP:SETINDEX. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 03:48, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Good to know. Thank you! —theMainLogan (t•c) 03:58, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Please do not bite the newcomers

Really Laterthanyouthink, you're showing the ugly face of Wikipedia. Re your revert on Ongerup, Western Australia - I assume you have heard of WP:NEWBIES. I note that you’ve gone to the trouble of pasting a welcome message on their talk page, but perhaps rather than a straight revert of their very first WP edit, a few words of explanation on their talk page would have been more helpful, or even an edit correction with reference examples.

A google search tells you that Location 6336 is the address of the Ongerup Primary School – well played!! John beta (talk) 07:15, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

So... you came all the way over here to admonish me, instead of just fixing something I didn't have time to fix earlier? Per the newbies page (and yes, I am familiar with it, thank you), the guidance says "Always explain reverts in the edit summary, and use plain English rather than cryptic abbreviations", which is what I did, and gave them a welcome panel so that they could learn from this error and widen their knowledge. You really are splitting hairs. I have no idea about locations, or how such addresses are derived or obtained. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 08:42, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Regarding your edits to Maynard

I understand what you mean when you say an article has a likelihood of being created someday, but there is a difference between the supposed possibilty of an article being created someday and, say, having a draft in the proofreading process soon to be published as an article. And I haven't been able to find a draft or even info about the linked articles on similar pages, such as Sandboxes. The red link page you wanted me to read (thanks for the link, by the way) says this not to link "[a]rticles that are unlikely to be created and retained on Wikipedia". Also, almost any other article on an surname—especially those in English—will tell you not to add red links, as those surname-related lists are really just directories. Surname articles aren't exactly the appropriate place for red links in general.

I just want to let you know that I didn't undo your edits because I you added red links. I undid them because the articles you linked probably won't be created on English Wikipedia. I don't mean to initiate an edit war, and I'm sorry if it seemed like I was. —theMainLogan (t•c) 03:57, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

No worries. Both John Maynard and (possibly - needs investigation) Nathan Maynard are on my list of articles to create; not sure about the others. I usually create an article in my sandbox first, but if it's a short one just add it into mainspace. There is generally no harm in having red links especially if the person is mentioned in more than one article (which you can find out by looking at "What links here" on the side of the redlinked page), so that when the article is created, it picks up the links. However if you have a quick look (google and wiki) and ascertain that they're unlikely to pass notability, then there's a good case for removing the red links. I'll have another look later. However, also feel free to create a discussion on the talk page of an article if you are unsure about something. I don't get it 100% right all the time, and WP is built on consensus! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 04:27, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

I completely forgot about Special:WhatLinksHere. Thanks for bringing it up! —theMainLogan (t•c) 05:11, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

July 2023

Your edit to Dilmah has been removed in whole or in part, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material, including text or images from print publications or from other websites, without an appropriate and verifiable license. All such contributions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images—you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously, and persistent violators of our copyright policy will be blocked from editing. See Wikipedia:Copying text from other sources for more information. Dan arndt (talk) 06:36, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi Dan arndt. Can you be more specific, and are you sure? I made a lot of changes to that article to improve citing and structure, and did not copy anything to my knowledge. When I run copyvio detector, the highest it shows is 15.3% (for a bit enclosed in quotes). Laterthanyouthink (talk) 07:43, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

It was changes like this [2], which were taken from the company's webste which not only potentially breached copyright, but were also promotional in nature and solely based on primary sources. Dan arndt (talk) 01:22, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

I think you'll find that I didn't actually add anything promotional (in fact removed some). If you look at my changes, the only place i used primary source was for location and factual info. The rest came from 3rd party sources. I shuffled, copyedited, and matched citations to content that was already there. If you run copyvio detector on my latest version before recent changes, it does not pick up likelihood of copyvio (15.3% is not a significant score, especially when all it registers is a quoted description). I think you are being over-zealous in your use of this template, and have removed some useful information as well leaving some info uncited (such as how the company got its name - in the lead but not body). Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:31, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

There are only two primary sources used as refs in that version, and both had been used before I got there. I moved one out of the infobox into the body, where it belongs. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:35, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Merrill J. Fernando

On 27 July 2023, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Merrill J. Fernando, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Schwede66 02:50, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Surname pages and name disambiguation

Hi LTYT! I have reverted your recent edit Mayo (surname), where you replaced several names with the DAB page in which they also occur; not so much to improve Wikipedia, which it does, but to stimulate a conversation on the subject. An important aspect of any reference work is the ease with which one can find the right article. When I come across a reference to "Dr Mayo", "D. Mayo" or "Mrs Mayo", and knowing they're Australian or an ophthalmologist or whatever, it's a great help to use Ctrl+F on a list, no matter how long, rather than interrogate a number of disambiguation references. Yours in helping to make this great project a tiny bit better. Doug butler (talk) 11:25, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi Doug. Yes, there has been conversation on this topic before on another DAB talk page years ago, with different views aired, but the main reason for using the DAB link is that the separately listed names are often not a complete list; people are not always added to a surname page, whereas the DAB ones almost always are. I don't feel particularly strongly about it, but feel it's better to have consistency within a surname page (as was the consensus in that other discussion), which was not the case with that one, which has some DAB links and some lists included on the page... but I'll leave it up to you. BTW it's still on my list to get back to those cinemas sometime. Moving house and a few other things hindered my flow for quite a while, but I have not forgotten! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 11:57, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Have I had this conversation with you before? Sorry, I don't mean to harangue. I'm also a hound for redirects, having more than several times spent hours working on a new page, before realising a (usually better) article already exists. Doug butler (talk) 02:10, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

I can't recall, but it's quite possible! Me too, re redirects. Almost fanatical. Redirects are cheap and we should use them wherever they may be useful. I add lots. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 02:21, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

"Olveston House, Montserrat" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Olveston House, Montserrat has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 30 § Olveston House, Montserrat until a consensus is reached. Fork99 (talk) 08:13, 30 August 2023 (UTC)