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Shringeri Jagadgurus edit
I am very happy to know into your contributions to Jagadgurus of Sringeri. If you have source for their bioprofiles, I am happy to write about all of them taking time and in collaboration with you.Dr. Rajasekhar A. 11:04, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
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Sri Sacchidananda Bharati I edit
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First, the references are not properly stated in the article. Secondly, the article is written like a propaganda. Do have a look at Wikipedia rules which prohibit the usage of this site for indulging in propaganda: WP:NOT. Thirdly, the article's tone is not appropriate for Wikipedia. It starts as follows:-
This extract is from....
. It appears as if the content has been copied verbatim from some copyrighted material. This shouldnt be the case. Lastly, yhe copyright status of the images arent quite clear. Well, as for now, I shall remove the prod tag, but the article definitely needs to be rewritten and improved :-). I may be able to help you in this regard when I get time. -Ravichandar 12:34, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah, I've seen your message. Kindly stop sending the message again and again. And please do sign your comments. Thanks -Ravichandar 14:14, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
- Kindly removed the part of the article which you have copy-pasted. Even reuse of the contents of the foreword of a book is considered a violation of copyright in case the book itself is copy-righted. Else message me regarding what portion of the article is actually borrowed from copyrighted material. Thanks :-) . I will surely work to clean it up. -Ravichandar 01:14, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- I request you to specify the copyrighted content used in the Wikipedia article. Thanks -Ravichandar 10:21, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, I had a look at the article. Firstly, your article appears to be propaganda stuff as it is written in laudatory style and thereby taking a stance in the matter. This shouldnt be the case with Wikipedia articles. Wikipedia articles should be highly neutral and confer to encyclopedic standards. I shall try to clean up a bit but the rest I leave it to you. Thanks :-)-Ravichandar 01:10, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for your compliment. Let me make one thing clear to you. I am not an expert on the subject and could not ensure factual accuracy. However, the tone of the article isnt right. It is written like an advertisement and needs to be altered. Yeah, there are many books on religion and people of religious importance by organizations like Ramakrishna mutt, etc. But quoting verbatim from these books is not only a violation of copyright but also infuses the article with a point-of-view. I also wish to tell you that including the map of the place or directions isnt appropriate for Wikipedia. Such kinda stuff might find acceptance in Wikitravel. Again, thanks for yourn compliments :-)-Ravichandar 03:16, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
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I would like to remove the tags on the page - Can I remove the tags by placing some references
as follows in the page -(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagadguru_of_Sringeri_Sharada_Peetham)
Sri Sringeri Sharada Peetham- The official website of Sri Sri Jagadguru Shankaracharya Mahasamsthanam, Dakshninamnaya Sri Sharada Peetham, Sringeri Sri Sachchidananda Bharati - 25th Pontiff at Sringeri- By R Krishnaswami Iyer (Swami Gnanananda Bharati) - Published by The Akhila Bharata Sankara Seva Samiti, Coimbatore Branch, 1967. Printed at The Jupiter Press Private Limited, Madras-18. Kbala1055 (talk) 01:54, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
- Which tags do you want to remove? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 01:56, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
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Unreferenced tag can be removed. Is it ok?
Preferably I would like to remove all tags. Let me know if I can.
Kbala1055 (talk) 02:00, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
- I changed it to a {{refimprove}} tag. The article needs more inline citations. There are also some issues with POV and style, so those tags should stay. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 02:53, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
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I have included citations in this page and improved the references. Can I remove the refimprove tag please? Please let me know — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kbala1055 (talk • contribs)
- It looks like it could use a few more still, but I don't think it's urgent enough to keep the {{refimprove}} tag up. Go ahead and remove it, and please don't forget to sign your posts. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 16:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
I have added one more reference from a Tamil periodical (though not dated). Have removed the refimp tag. Thanks for all the help. Have to work on removing other tags Kbala1055 (talk) 01:06, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
{{helpme)) I would get some help in removing the tags cleanup, NPOV and wikify from this article. I wish to know which are all the statements that indicate this view. I would like to rephrase it to suit the wikipedia's style. Help me in this regard . Also added a few more references in Tamil ThanksKbala1055 (talk) 01:45, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
I noticed your request for help in removing the tags on the article. Tags are generally added in good faith to articles to bring attention to improve the article. The neutrality tag is something you will need ask User:Ravichandar84 about. I will message him to comment here. I will be checking this section in case you have any questions or need help. Just add your messages below. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 17:08, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- I've explained my reasons in the talk page of the article. Thanks-RavichandarMy coffee shop 17:17, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- I understand that this was done in good faith..
- Actually I need help to understand how these tags can be removed...How to go about doing this? What is the process?
- Ravichandar had mentioned that copying verbatim infuses pov...But he did not elaborate on how to go about removing it.
- I would like to know - If this paragraph has to be rephrased or ask someone else to read the biography and represent what is in the biography in his own words... I have added a lot of references now... I would like to know the process for removal of NPOV and wikify tags..Kbala1055 (talk) 05:15, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
- I have made the changes as follows: 1. Supreme has been removed 2. "Uncanny genius" is removed 3. "It is no wonder that contemporary Princes and Administrators, including Muslims, held him in great reverence. We should remember this " - These sentences are removed.
- I feel the rest can be kept as such... "The great spiritual effulgence" cannot be removed as in the Pg no 45 of the biography - part- I , this sanskrit sloka clearly demonstrates this: Upadishtamahamantro mahasa samashobatha| udayaachalamaaruda: sharadeeva Divakara:||
- The author R Krishnaswamy Iyer provides the Tamil meaning here: Mahavakyam upadesanmanavudan viseshamana Tejas Erpattadu. SaradKalttil Kalayil udayamana suryan pola prakasittar.
- After he was given upadesa of this mahavakyam, he shone with special radiance. or effulgence. He shone like a rising sun in the monsoon season.
- Oh, ok! I do not have much knowledge with regard to this subject. :-) Well, I felt that the article needed to be copy-edited and did the required changes. To ensure the factual accuracy of the article is left to you.-RavichandarMy coffee shop 13:18, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
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We had recently visited this Village for the Jayanthi day celebrations on 24-08-2008 (Sravana Krishna Paksha Navami Rohini star). The villagers here took us to the point of confluence of the three rivers Vaigai, Manjalaru and Maruda. One gentleman pointed out that this place is called "Mukkattuthurai" by locals here. Pilgrims take a holy dip here during auspicious days like Amavasya and believe that by doing so, they will attain liberation (Moksha in Hinduism) from life. He also took us to the remains of the ancient temple nearby which is believed to be Koti Mukteeswarar temple (as mentioned in the biography of R Krishnaswamy Iyer). The outer temple walls are said to be around six feet which is submerged in the ground. We could see stone carvings in Ancient Tamil language in the top two feet of the outer walls. I feel that this will be of great interest to the Archealogists and Epigraphists of Tamil who are studying or would like to study this period (Late 16th century-Early 17th century) and/or this area. This is a picturesque location with surrounding mountains of Kodaikanal. There is a reference to "Thiru kanda Vinnagaram" which roughly translates to Srikanteswarapuram. I had the good fortune to get an old photo of this place. Will try to scan and update it. Kbala1055 (talk) 01:01, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Attached the Koti Mukteeswarar temple with the majestic Kodaikanal Hills in the backdrop near the point of confluence of the rivers --> photograph of temple and ancient tree (believed to be sthala vruksham of temple). This may be of interest to ancient temple historians also in addition to Epigraphists. Kbala1055 (talk) 01:43, 29 August 2008 (UTC) Koti Mukteeshwar temple near the point of confluence with the majestic Kodaikanal Hills range in the background. Koti Mukteeshwar temple near the point of confluence with the majestic Kodaikanal Hills range in the background. SthalaVruksham of Koti Mukteeshwar temple believed by Devotees. SthalaVruksham of Koti Mukteeshwar temple believed by Devotees.
Attached the Koti Mukteeswarar temple with the majestic Kodaikanal Hills in the backdrop near the point of confluence of the rivers --> photograph of temple and ancient tree (believed to be sthala vruksham of temple). This may be of interest to ancient temple historians also in addition to Epigraphists. Kbala1055 (talk) 01:43, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Koti Mukteeshwar temple near the point of confluence with the majestic Kodaikanal Hills range in the background.
Koti Mukteeshwar temple near the point of confluence with the majestic Kodaikanal Hills range in the background.
SthalaVruksham of Koti Mukteeshwar temple believed by Devotees.
SthalaVruksham of Koti Mukteeshwar temple believed by Devotees.
I would like to add these images with the references in the biography in the mail article. Let me know if anyone has any objections.Kbala1055 (talk) 02:14, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
The Author R. Krishnaswamy Iyer, in this biography, mentions about this Koti Mukteeswarar Temple in this Village Srikanteswarapuram or Kunnuvarankottai or Kunnapatti (as it is now called). This temple was near the point of confluence of the 3 rivers before it was damaged by natural calamities like floods.Villagers here point out that, in those days, long before dams like vaigai dam, mullaiperiar dam were constructed, the rivers near this point of confluence was overflowing with water during monsoons. Common sense suggests that the current village was moved 0.5 km away from this point of confluence and new temple for Lord Viswanatha was built, the villagers point out. Locals believe that the idol was brought from Varanasi or Kasi. Can I add this reference in the main article? Kbala1055 (talk) 16:20, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
{{helpme}} Kbala1055 (talk) 16:28, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
- you did a lot of rambling, but I don't see why you can't add the images. Go ahead and do it. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 16:45, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
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- Unfortunately, that may be hard to prove. Do you have any proof of copyright? — neuro(talk) 15:41, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
- This is our village temple and the photograph lends credence to the events associated with the saint in this temple. The photographs were taken by our family who regularly visit this village. This is one such photo taken by photographer who was arranged by our family. We have an album of such photographs owned by us only. Incidentally a magazine has taken some photos with our permission and printed. What are the proofs that are required ? Kbala1055 (talk) 01:49, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
- The user -Ravichandar84 has also edited this wiki article and retained this image . This has been done in good faith. You can also discus with him reg this. Kbala1055 (talk) 16:58, 17 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kbala1055 (talk • contribs)
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I assume you are talking about here? If so, they look much more acceptable, as they don't contain magazine content. You might want to crop some of them though, and some of them you might want to upload in a higher resolution. If you don't know how to do this then I can probably help you out, just message me back. — neuro(talk) 17:12, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
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Clean-up to the article on Sri Sacchidananda Bharati I edit
In case you haven't seen it, I've responded to your comment on my Talk page: User talk:Pol098#Re: Your Clean-up to the article on Sri Sacchidananda Bharati I. The article needs a lot of cleaning up to follow Wikipedia guidelines.
Pol098 (talk) 14:43, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
Also, I've made some changes to the first paragraph that make it clearer, but I'm not sure they're correct. Is the unexplained term "mutt" the same as (linked) "matha"? Is "pontiff" considered an equivalent to "jagadguru"? While I may be wrong, some explanation is needed rather than simple reversion. Pol098 (talk) 18:33, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
I think this topic is of general relevance. With the permission of Kbala1055 I'd like to move it to the article's Talk page. pol098
I had noticed that you had removed the term His Holiness and also the visit to the point of confluence of rivers and ruins of the temple by the Jagadguru. I wish to state that the term His highness is still being used for addressing the Monarchy - royal lineage like the British Kings and Queens, and other state kingdoms in the world. In this way, in India, His Holiness is generally used to reverentially address the highly respected sages and seers of the ancient historical establishments like Sringeri Sarada Peetam. I kindly request you not to remove such reverential terms of address which are generally accepted in India. Anyway, I have used the terms like He for now. But I would like you clarify if I could still use these terms. Also Kindly request you to not remove the sentences that describes the visit to the ruins of the ancient temple - This is a part of the historical biography published in 1965 by Sri R Krishnaswamy Iyer and is essential for establishing the integrity of the article. The ruins of the temple near the confluence of the 3 rivers is an important point in the article and is an essential aspect of the biography (Part- 2 of the Biography - See the references section) published around 47 years ago - nearly half-a-century ago. This is an important event in that village. Kbala1055 (talk) 10:17, 14 July 2012 This is an encyclopaedia for general readers, not for those knowledgeable about a subject, and not supporting any particular viewpoint. It has many guidelines intended in general to support this objective. It also should only include matter described in objective sources, which the article should cite. Sources should be third-party sources not associated with the subject of the article, and also not things such as personal blogs. You should read the Wikipedia guidelines, some of which I'll point you to. The need for reliable sources: WP:Reliable sources. The need for objective articles: WP:POV.
Terms which are purely honorific, rather than descriptive, should not be used MOS:HONORIFIC. This applies in particular to religious titles (WP:NCCL). The particular term "His Holiness", while clearly covered by the general guidelines, is mentioned explicitly: "Honorifics such as "His Holiness" should ordinarily not be used in naming clergy except when discussing forms of address; see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies)#Honorific prefixes." Terms of praise should not be used (WP:PEACOCK), simple facts should be stated. To use a non-religious example, if a soldier does something very brave, he would not be described as a brave, unselfish, gallant hero, but the facts would be laid out ("he defended his position with a rifle, while wounded, against hundreds of heavily-armed troops..." , and it it could be said he was awarded a medal officially described as being "for gallantry". Thta would establish that he was, in fact, a brave, unselfish, gallant hero, but by facts rather than using these words.
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Some facts, even if meeting all guidelines including source, are considered not to be notable; an encyclopaedia is not a full biography, but a brief description. A visit to a temple in a village of 300 people and mention that a wish may come true is not notable (and also not referenced). If it is, in fact, important, the text needs to establish that it is.
This is all general. Some specific comments to what you say: "I wish to state that the term His highness is still being used for addressing the Monarchy - royal lineage like the British Kings and Queens, and other state kingdoms in the world." So? That is in the world of protocol. In Wikipedia "His Highness" gets deleted. "in India, His Holiness is generally used..." While I've already established that it's inappropriate anyway, I also add that Wikipedia is a general, international encyclopaedia, not an Indian publication. The same rules would apply to any country. "reverentially address the highly respected..." Wikipedia does not revere or respect anyone or anything. Wikipedia also does not disrespect anyone or anything, it restricts itself to stating facts. "I have used the terms like He". See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Capital letters#Religions, deities, philosophies, doctrines and their adherents: "Pronouns for deities and figures of veneration are not capitalized, even if capitalized in a religion's scriptures: Jesus addressed his followers, not Jesus addressed His followers".
Everything I've said applies equally to all articles, it is in no way discriminating against this one. An article starting "Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth" would be modified to "Queen Elizabeth" or "Elizabeth II". An article saying the Christian God is merciful and compassionate would have that statement removed. Finally, I have no authority in Wikipedia (nobody does). These are my opinions, not an authoritative laying down of the law. You have every right to disagree and to write whatever you want. If we end up disagreeing on what should be said, we would eventually call in other people to give their opinion. I hope you find this really helpful. Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 13:05, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks for your clarification. I appreciate your efforts in pointing out the Wiki style of writing. My comments below -
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I would like to let you know that this article had been under the REFIMP tag some years ago as I had just provided one or two references only then. But over a peiod of past 4 to 5 years, I had collected reliable and authentic references from periodicals in India, Monthly magazines, newspapers, published works of the biography along with website links from various sources. Now the list of references along with external references are more than a dozen. I hope this is sufficient and I feel that REFIMP tag is inappropriate and should be removed. Also I would like to inform you that this article had been cleaned up by user:ravichandea84 (User:Ravichandar84|Ravichandar ) - He is an experienced wikipedian who had authored many articles on India in wikipedia - The tags were removed after he cleaned up this article after I had added some more references and the tag was removed after discussing with the wikipedians. You can refer or ask him if you wish to clarify this article. He had placed this article as "Start-class" - I had provided the material content from the various reliable sources like published books, articles in magazines and internet links.
I feel most of the article has already been cleaned up by him - He had reformatted the article in sections called as "Early Life", "Pontificate", "Biographies" and "Places associated with Sacchidananda Bharathi-I" . I added 2 sections like "Compositions, Hymns and Works" and "Visit on June 2 2012" - I feel most of it can be retained except the new section on the visit on 2nd June 2012 - Pls go through the section and let me know which of the sentences have to be wikified.
To clarify your queries -
1) Mutt is the term used interchangeably in India to denote " Matha " - You are right - But both terms are accepted in India - Can both be used as per wiki guidelines? Pls let me know
2) Pontiff - The wikipedia defines pontiff for Jagadgurus and Swamijis in Hinduism - So I think it is appropraite to use this term interchangeably with Jagadguru or Swamigal. In cases where you find He as inappropriate as per Wiki guidelines, I think Jagadguru can be used.
2) Sachchidananda Bharathi-I is considered by his devotees to have saved Sringeri through his penance and austerities -> you can refer the link as this is reliable source - "http://www.sringeri.net/jagadgurus/the-later-acharyas-2 " -- He had done it through his meditation, prayer, austerities and penance - An extract given below for your reference: " No sooner did Virabhadra Nayak ascend the throne of Ikkeri, than Bhairava, chief of Kalasa, invaded his territory and captured a slice of it, which included Sringeri. In his cupidity, he committed the irrelevant act of ordering the Guru to come to his court and compelling him to yield the valuables of the Math. Nothing perturbed the Guru who went into meditation and refused to yield to aggression. Bhairava then went to Sringeri and plundered its wealth and on his way back defeated the Nayak forces that had come for the relief of the Guru. Thus emboldened, he again went to Sringeri, and when the Guru was about to leave the Math, relief came from Nayak. Bhairava came a third time to plunder the Math. Left with no help but the power of his tapasya, the Guru retired to his meditation, and saw in a vision the mysterious response of the deities in Sringeri, who appeared as bearing arms and attacking the invader. The Guru was soon informed that Bhairava had actually left the town. He celebrated the occasion by composing the poems, Ramachandra Mahodaya, Guru Stuti Satakam, Rama Bhujanga , Meenakshi Ashtakam and Meenakshi Satakam."
Pls let me know if REFIMP tag can be removed and additional clarifications tag also can be removed. Thanks for your time and hope that article can be reatined without tags. Kbala1055 (talk) 10:03, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
Where to start? You've beeon on Wikipedia for years, so I'd expect you to get most of your ansers by reading tha many documents on th Manual of style and guidelines. The criteria are very often not met, and this is often accepted. The general idea is that every statesman should be supported by a specific reference, and that reference should be from a source not closely identified with its subject. What is written should be verifiable fact. Thus "The singer appeared at the Xxx festival", without a reference, would often be accepted as reasonable and probably right, although it should have a reference. "The singer is prestigious and has a very powerful voice and masterful technique, and was a very important influence" is likely to be deleted if not referenced. Even with reference, it may be criticised as WP:PEACOCK wording, with facts instead of descriptions. Thus replace "prestigious" with awards won, singing professorships, and so ob.
There are no rules as such, you can write exactly what you want, but anyone else who disagrees can change it. Between two people who disagree amicably, the end result is usually an improvement. You ask me if you can use "Mutt"—you can use whatever you want, but use of an unusual and unexplained trouble is likely to be criticised. I'd be equally critical of an article saying, without links or references, "a helium-neon laser emits light of characteristic wavelength". In this case most people do know what a laser is, but at least links to other articles help them to look it up; in some cases adding "(a device which emits a tight beam of light of a single frequency)" would help. I worked out by looking at some links that mutt was probably mathi, but the article should have told me. In the article as it was I consider "He was the supreme pontiff of the Hindu mutt Sringeri Sharadha Peetam" ro be obscure; my wording wording is one clearer possibility; otherwise you could at least say mutt, which renders as the visible word "mutt", highlighted as linked and leading to the "Mathi" article. You say that "pontiff" (which wasn't linked) is OK because the Pontiff article says that it is equivalent to Javadguru—I just added that to the Pontiff article myself because it seemed to be the case, without reference (I couldn't find one)! It may be wrong, in which case I hope somebody either corrects it or finds a reference—that's how Wikipedia works. I think it would be useful for the Pontiff article to have a bit more on use in Hinduism, and for all articles using the term to link to it.
The incident you describe in detail as "having protected the integrity of the Peetham and enhanced its greatness" and "is generally credited by his devotees with having saved Sringeri through his penance and austerities", without further context is both very obscure and not referenced in the text. What you say above is that it was attacked three times; the first time it was sacked, the second time armed defenders were available, the third time Sacchidananda Bharati prayed, dreamed about divine defenders, and the attackers left. You could say something brief like that, but the original unsourced statements didn't put the situation accross.
You ask about removing the "refimprove" tag. In my opinion the article is still full of statements which are not supported by inline citations (footnote numbers to sources, giving page numbers where relevant). Look at template:refimprove and Wikipedia:Citing sources. The tag calls attention to everybody to add references and sources.
I have to go, so will stop here. I've had a very quick look at the article on Hinduism; it seems at a glance to be reasonably well sourced and footnoted, and may serve as an example. Pol098 (talk) 23:43, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
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At the outset, I frankly would like to let you know that this article was cleaned up by an experienced wikipedian who had written many articles in the wiki using the references provided by me. After I had gone for a wiki help, another wikipedian had mentioned that the tagcan be removed after I had provided a lot of references. I thought that the article had enough citations until now. Indented line I spent a lot of time reading the biography and digging some more and am writing after this reading.Also I noticed that Indented line you had cleaned using the material provided - But there are additional citations that would be useful and bring to your attention. Indented line I had a look at the article Hinduism and it is very well written but I would like to point out that the subject like Hinduism is a vast ocean and you can get numerous citations and references from various sources. Here I am dealing only with a biography of the 25th Jagadguru in the hoary lineage of Gurus of Sringeri matham/mutt with just a dozen or more references. Hence, I feel that I can improve the inline citations only at certain relevant places which are important to the biographical outline even though theoretically evey sentence can include a citation. This is my limitation and I would to state my difficulties given below: I would definitely like to improve citations of references but I am faced with a peculiar problem - The Tamil version of the biography of Sri Sachidananda Bharathi-I Vijayam – Volume -2 contains 9 chapters devoted to this aspect of his pontificate or peetadhipadhyam -Chapters 4 to 9 from pages 31 till 70. The English version of the biography of Sri Sachidananda Bharathi-I contains 4 chapters from Chapter 7 till Chapter 10 from pages 18 till 29 – Chapter 7 – Political troubles Chapter 9 – Defence of Sringeri Chapter 10 - Divine intervention As the numbers of chapters are voluminous, it would be too cumbersome to include in detail these chapters and since this is only a summary of his biography, I need some clarifications - I would like to know how to include this as a citation inside the article. Do I need to expand this article by including a few more sentences given below by including the references of pages or chapters or if I can just mention these pages as references? - Sachchidananda Bharathi-I is considered by his devotees to have saved Sringeri through his penance and austerities during a period when Sringeri was attacked by a neighboring King Bhairava of Kalasapuram thrice. The King of Ikkeri, Veerabhadra Nayaka came in support of the Sringeri Mutt and the surrounding territory. He was defeated by King Bhairava twice and thus he was emboldened to attack Sringeri the third time. Sri Sachidananda Bharathi-I prayed for divine help through his penance and austerities. The next day, the Jagadguru was informed that he had left the town. The Guru in his vision during his meditation gleaned that the surrounding deities had defended Sringeri. You can wikify these sentences as required. 2) Sanskrit words have been translated by scholars to different languages for so many years – We can only use close equivalents of the words if the exact match is not available in English – So, Matha or Mutt , English equivalent of Jagadguru can be used as pontiff due to the lack of an exact equivalent word which expresses the complete meaning of the Sanskrit words like “Jagadguru” even though the meaning of Jagadguru literally means the Guru of the world or universe. But I do not know how I can get citations for this – Do I have look in Dictionaries for this? I am not sure. 3) “Some facts, even if meeting all guidelines including source, are considered not to be notable; an encyclopaedia is not a full biography, but a brief description. A visit to a temple in a village of 300 people and mention that a wish may come true is not notable (and also not referenced). If it is, in fact, important, the text needs to establish that it is.” This is an extract from the website for the visit in this URL http://vijayayatra.sringeri.net/vathalagundu-june-1-2012/ I feel that Jagadguru has emphasized the importance of this visit to this village even though he could not visit many places in this region - I think this is notable considering the importance this village has for the general article and other subsequent events that have happened in this village. Pls let me know your opinion and I feel this can be retained by wikifying this article “The Jagadguru expressed that it was natural for the Acharyas of Sringeri to associate a special importance to the birthplace of their predecessors and remembered His Guru’s visit to the village in 1965 and His own visit in 1987. The Jagadguru conveyed that that though He was not making a Vijayam to many towns in Tamil Nadu during the current Vijaya Yatra, He had resolved to come to Kunnuvaarankottai and bless the residents. The Jagadguru gave His blessings for the proposed construction of a Mandapam in the Vishalakshi Sameta Vishwanathar temple and said that the Math would offer its help in the construction.” Pls let me know if the following can be added : Jagadguru appreciated the efforts of the villagers for having built a Dhyana Mandapam in this village for Sri Sri Sri Sacchidananda Bharati I. He recalled his visits to this village in 1987 and his Guru’s visit in 1965 and blessed the residents of this village. He also gave his blessings for the proposed construction of a mandapam in the Vishalakshi Vishwanathar temple. 4) There are a few more references that have been published in monthly magazines in India that details the visit of the Jagadguru to this village on June 2 2012. I will try to add them soon in the references. Kbala1055 (talk) 10:10, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
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also I scouted for some good English to Sanskrit dictionaries and found that Pontiff has been translated as Pradhana Dharmadhyaksha
Jagadguru here can mean upholder of Dharma also – in this sense, Pradhana Dharmadhyaksha can apply to him also – I am including this citation from dictionary Pontificate - meaning - Dharmadhyaksha Adhikara - Who has authority to protect and uphold Dharma - I feel this an be used and iincluded this citation. Hope this is ok as per Wiki and hope that this tag be removed.
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I have included a lot inline citations in this page and improved the references. Can I remove the refimprove tag please? Please let me know
Kbala1055 (talk) 15:44, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
I have removed the more footnote after adding more precise references Kbala1055 (talk) 16:44, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
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Can you pls let me know how to remove the "TONE" tag from this article? Kbala1055 (talk) 16:43, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
- I did it. It's just at the top of the article, you just delete it. Go Phightins! (talk) 17:32, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
Sri Sacchidananda Bharati I - late response edit
I've belatedly responded to your message in my User talk:Pol098#Re: Your Clean-up to the article on Sri Sacchidananda Bharati I. What I said was:
- I really can't say much more in detail. You just need to make sure that everything you write is supported by sources which you reference, and that these sources are what Wikipedia would call WP:Reliable sources, i.e., impartial sources not closely aligned with the subject. Wikipedia has no enforced rules, but people may object to things that don't seem objective and edit accordingly.
Sorry about the delay. Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 13:05, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion. I would like to politely on this 25th December 2012 submit that the sources referred include third party sources like newspapers, periodicals. Also the author of the biography hails from Tamilnadu state and the Sringeri Mutt is in Karnataka state.
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