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Sig

Your sig is what some might call "distasteful." Would you mind removing the last part that's all in caps, right before the timestamp? I thought perhaps a vandal snuck in and added it, but it seems to just be a part of what you've written. Thanks. Killiondude (talk) 07:32, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

It's intentional, and will be gone when I come back next year. Kayau Voting IS evil C U NEXT YEAR 08:18, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

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Talkback

Hello, Kayau. You have new messages at Benlisquare's talk page.
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So much for Wikibreak!

Ha ha! Derild4921 was right - you naughty boy! [1] and [2]! You didn't think you'd escape a stalker like me did you? WVRMAD•Talk •Guestbook 18:14, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

PS: What do think about my smileback template by the way?

It's nice, I'll make a few more compliments when I officially come back. The second edit you mentioned was supposed to be interwiki, because I was only talking about a problem I came across in en.wikibooks. Kayau Voting IS evil C U NEXT YEAR 05:08, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

"Two individual terms were coined."

Hello, that phrase is a bit vague... "coined" doesn't really fit in here. What is it supposed to mean? Bejinhan talks 09:42, 26 August 2010 (UTC) And yes, editing is hard to resist. :p

I am *sure* this is the last time I'll edit. :) For what it's worth, they just kind of thought up a couple of terms to describe the two different systems. Kayau Voting IS evil C U NEXT YEAR 09:50, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Haha. But that isn't the official term, correct? I'll have to think of a more grammatically correct one. Bejinhan talks 12:17, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Christmas series

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Please, do NOT approve mottoes for the period from 25 December (2010) to 5 January 2011. I think we have enough time to discuss the Christmas series. Thanks & Best! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:46, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

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Happy WikiBirthday

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Silliest wikilink of the month award

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Congratulations on winning the August prize for the silliest wikilink of the month! Tony (talk) 02:41, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

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Happy Birthday!

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Wishing Kayau/Archive 3 a very happy birthday on behalf of the Birthday Committee! Armbrust ^Talk _Contribs 00:15, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

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Wanna barnstar?

Please join!
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An update from adopt a user

Hi there Kayau! You may be wondering, what have I done to sound the alarm this time? Nothing. I'm messaging you in regards to the adopt-a-user program, which currently has a backlog of users wishing to be adopted. This doesn't make much sense, as we have a considerable list of users offer adoption, so there shouldn't be any backlog. I've begun to eliminate this backlog myself through a matching program, but I need your help to make it work. Of course, adoptees and adopters don't have to go through there, but I believe it helps eliminate the backlog because someone is actively matching pairs.

On the list of adopters, I have modified the middle column to say "Interests." It's easier working with other users that have similar interests, so if it's not too much to ask, could you add your interests in the middle column? For example, if I was interested in hurricanes, computers, business, and ... reptiles? I would place those in the middle column. Counter-vandalism and the like can also be included (maintenance should be used as the general term). The more interests, the better, since adoptees can learn more about you and choose the one they feel most comfortable working with. The information about when you're most active and other stuff can go into the "Notes" section to the right.

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Suggested changes at MOTD

Hello fellow motto contributor. Discussions arer still open on Wikipedia talk:Motto of the day/Nominations#Suggested changes and still require further input especially on ideas 10-17. Please could you voice your opinion as this is going to be closed in early November. Please help out or even make any new idea suggestions. Simply south (talk) 15:10, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

This is a last call. Any opinions should be suggested by and including November 5th. See Wikipedia talk:Motto of the day/Nominations/Archive 2#Suggested Changes Simply south (talk) 21:18, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

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Re:

		The Original Barnstar
		For discovering the hidden jiongs on my userpage. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 05:55, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

LOL Thanks! Kayau Voting IS evil 06:12, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Not sure about mistakes

Well, in List of bus routes in Hong Kong, it says in the Cross-Harbour routes that special routes are not included, but there are so many special routes! The question is: should I keep puuting new routes in (I had put in 3), or delete all, or question the adder of this sentence(the 'view history list' is too long), or what?Jonathanho727 (talk) 09:20, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Heh, I know nothing 'bout this... :P Inform WP:HKT and drop KX a note. Kayau Voting IS evil 09:33, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I have seen the light!

Join me and follow the religion of Wikipedism and worship our almighty lord Jimbo!  RichardOwen97  talk  20:06, 9 January, 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Wikipedism LOL I'm sure we can come to an agreement? Mines more Islamic as it follows the 5 pillars. The other one is more Christian as it follows the 10 commandments. So there is a difference ;)  RichardOwen97  talk  20:04, 10 January, 2011 (UTC)

guess you weren't active then, but it's still reinventing. ;-) Kayau Voting IS evil 00:34, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

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Gao Lishi

Do you have a citation for the proposition that his original name was Feng Yuanyi? If so, please put it in. (I don't see the name in the sources that I use.) Thanks. --Nlu (talk) 05:33, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Cited Kayau Voting IS evil 05:54, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, but in nature of the type of source that this used (a blog), I think I have to consider it not sufficiently reliable. I am going to remove the assertion of the name of Feng Yuanyi ("Feng" is not controversial, but I see no reliable source citing "Yuanyi"). Please feel free to discuss further on Talk:Gao Lishi and hopefully see if other people will view the assertion in the blog post as sufficiently reliable. (It should be noted that WP:RS says that blogs are generally considered not reliable.) --Nlu (talk) 06:06, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Fan Zhen

Kayau, I reverted your additions of Fan Zhen to the atheist lists because you were using a primary source as proof, but it would be impossible for Zhen to have actually called himself an "atheist" or discussed directly his "atheism" so named. What we need to add them back are good secondary or tertiary sources that refer to him as an atheist. I have no problem with the addition if it is sourced historically in that manner. In fact from a brief search it appears that is might be possible to do so. But please don't add him back until it is done in that manner. Thanks.Griswaldo (talk) 14:26, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I'm not sure what you mean. I used a reliable secondary source that states that atheism was introduced in his work, although it doesn't say whether he is actually an atheist (and I'm pretty sure they hadn't invented the word 'atheist' during the Southern Dynasty. :P) Does that violate WP:RS or something? (BTW: you were way off my 5 seconds prediction LOL) Kayau Voting IS evil 13:25, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Well then I misunderstood. Since you didn't use quotation marks when you wrote "Atheism was introduced in his work, On the Annihilation of the Soul," and since the reference was completely in Chinese I wrongly assumed the reference was to On the Annihilation of the Soul itself. That said, what you would need is a historian calling him an atheist, and not simply referring to the theme of one of his works. Yes the term atheism wasn't in use at that period, but that won't stop historians from making those kinds of retrospective judgments. Find that at you're all set.Griswaldo (talk) 13:33, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

That's easy. This source should do. Kayau Voting IS evil 13:46, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

A Chinese language newspaper isn't exactly ideal. I'm not going to revert you, but for a historical figure like this someone with scholarly familiarity would be best here.Griswaldo (talk) 14:53, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

There are tons of other sites, but I'm too lazy to look for the most reliable one. :) Kayau Voting IS evil 14:55, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

But if you want I can. Kayau Voting IS evil 14:58, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Hidden Page

For me it isn't that easy. Perhaps the colour settings on my computer are different on yours. I've changed the colour to make it harder. P.S. I stalk you ;) so theres' no need to give me a TB message.  RichardOwen97  talk  16:39, 12 January, 2011 (UTC)

One good term deserves another (see above). Kayau Voting IS evil 13:23, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Truth about residents of Cambridge and Boston, MA

If this is a discussion then it should be open to everyone logging on from Cambridge, sure there are many great about Cambridge but there many issues that not on the internet or television. How about people that live in Cambridge come on this web page and talk about their experience in Cambridge. Who we are as a society, who reside amongst, are we misrepresented and suppressed as a voice? It is unfair that only a few are allowed to post information over other others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.31.30.17 (talk) 15:28, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

We aren't suppressing anything here. This is an encyclopaedia, and not a discussion as you said above. We follow a strict neutral point of view policy and do not allow any personal viewpoints. Kayau Voting IS evil 15:31, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jacky Wong

Would you take a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jacky Wong and see if you can help improve Jacky Wong? I've added some information from the sources I've read, but there is more that can be said about this actor. And would provide feedback for this edit (excise, rewrite, or expand the newly added paragraph)? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 10:51, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do. Kayau Voting IS evil 14:28, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

I've looked at sources, and I believe it's quite probable that Wong is simply not notable enough. Most of the news articles are about the conflict. Also, the paragraph you added may not be that NPOV, as I've read in an article that Mung claimed that the crying was just an act. Kayau Voting IS evil 15:04, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your valuable comments at the AfD. I've added links to the AfD to another source I've found. About the paragraph I added: Which source provides additional information about Mung's assertion that the crying was only an act? I'll add that to the article to make it more NPOV. Cunard (talk) 00:43, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

My mistake. It turns out that it was Wong's mother who admitted that the crying was an act. According to her, he cried under the request of a magazine reporter. Kayau Voting IS evil 10:14, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

I've removed most of the paragraph for now. I'm worried that it might violate WP:UNDUE since it doesn't represent all the perspectives. Would you provide a link to that source? I'll add it in to the article on 19 January. Cunard (talk) 10:45, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

I can't find the original source or even the publisher, but it's archived here. I'll tell you when I find the original thing. Kayau Voting IS evil 10:51, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Hm, this information seems to be a different incident (Bobby Au-yeung is not involved in this one, which seems to be mostly about Yoyo Mung). The conflicting, confusing perspectives on both stories make it a headache to include them in the article while ensuring that they are balanced and neutral. Cunard (talk) 11:20, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Then it looks like I was confused. You may want to add the paragraph back (though I am still sceptical about his notability). Kayau Voting IS evil 14:15, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

I've thought about this for a while, and have decided not to restore it. It might violate WP:BLPGOSSIP, which states "Avoid repeating gossip. Ask yourself whether the source is reliable; whether the material is being presented as true; and whether, even if true, it is relevant to a disinterested article about the subject." I think that this text could be classified as gossip. What do you think? Cunard (talk) 00:00, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but I think it's one of those times when the media report something because it's interesting and/or they have nothing else to report. Kayau Voting IS evil 10:16, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

To be one the safe side, I'll default to not including the content. You're probably right that the magazine article was written because it was a slow news day, though I don't think that subtracts much from the source aiding him in passing GNG. Cunard (talk) 00:27, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

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DYK for Lam Chiu Ying

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Establish consensus for a merger

Hi Kayau,

I'm trying to establish a consensus for the merger of Wikipedia:WikiProject Hong Kong Transport into a workgroup under Wikipedia:WikiProject Hong Kong. Please share your thought on this proposal.

Thanks! T@vatar (discuss–?) 20:06, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

whoops

Sorry about that. My error. :) Griffinofwales (talk) Simple English Wikipedia - Come and join! 01:28, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

WikiBooks

Are there any vandalism tools like Stiki over there? Gobbleswoggler (talk) 12:43, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

First, it's Wikibooks. ;-) Secondly, we have Twinkle, but I'd advice you not to use it in case you accidentally touch the other buttons (like RfD). Just drop me a note over there and I'll link to the vandalism pages. Rollback comes with reviewer over there, which is given automatically but you can apply for it early if the community trusts you. Kayau Voting IS evil 13:15, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

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Informational note: this is to let you know that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Regards, FkpCascais (talk) 20:25, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

OK, sorry about that. Kayau Voting IS evil 10:42, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

No problem. Just try not to start bureaucratic processes here on WP without being sure. I mean, I understand what you touth, you had doubts about that issue and you probably touth that someone else would know the exact policies to use on the PfD process you initiated, but after all, the WP policies are avaliable for all of us, and senior editors like us can also pefectly use them acording to each situaton. In other words, the policies are there for us to read them and interpret them without having to ask someone else to do it for us. When I find myself in that kind of situation I usually try to ask someone to help me first, otherwise you are creating a problem when you are not even sure if a problem really exists. I apologise as well for being a bit hard on you on this, and I supose your intention was good, so I just want to send you regards and to tell you that you can freely poke me if I can help you in any way. :) FkpCascais (talk) 15:23, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

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An editor, who shall remain nameless, posted this on your user subpage and added a link here. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 03:08, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused... you said it's 'nameless', but it's pretty obvious you created the page. Kayau Voting IS evil 10:44, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

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You may be interested in this proposal, which is actually your proposal.  --Lambiam 22:22, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

I'll look at that later. Kayau Voting IS evil 14:15, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

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Hello. We could do with your assistance for suggestions of mottos and any decisions on current ones. Please see Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations. In case this situation occurs again, we would like a discussion on emergency mottos. Please see WT:MOTD/N#Emergency mottos. Simply south...... 14:37, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

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ekojrouyotylpeR

WellImsorryididnotliveuptoyourexpectationsiwilltrynottodoitagainandineverrealisedthaticecreamgrewontreeslasttimeicheckedthatwasspaghettiifyouarelookingforanargumenthowabouttheGrandstandfightidothinkiamgoingtohavesomeicecreamreviewmeandihopeyouhaveagreatdaythanksagain. Simply south...... 18:21, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

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Hi. Which one of my recent edits did you revert or was that a wide-fannying joke? Thanks. ~AH1^(TCU) 19:59, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Read the message CAREFULLY... :P Kayau Voting IS evil 00:17, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

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這句話適用於你

食碗麵反碗底。< /big> — Preceding unsigned comment added by 一起 (talk • contribs) 08:40, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

If you are whom I think you are, please be aware that I'm sorry. I mistakenly assumed bad faith based on your history. Congratulations on your recent unblock; I know you are an awesome contributor of Wikipedia and its sister projects.

If you are not, please state whom you are. thank you. Kayau Voting IS evil 13:52, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

你為什麼不講中文？ 我看到了你頁面分類，Zh-4 使用者 說你講中文。一起講，好嗎？ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 一起 (talk • contribs) 21:49, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

對不起，沒想到您想用中文溝通，因為這兒是英文維基百科。 Kayau Voting IS evil 11:58, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

没關係，我不喜歡英文，是很費解的也很拗口的，所以講中文。看到你在這裏的行為，我覺得你真是食碗麵反碗底的，希望你好好學做人。 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 一起 (talk • contribs) 22:49, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

好的。 Kayau Voting IS evil 12:08, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

不好！你没有努力付出時間來檢討。

請問我該如何檢討？ Kayau Voting IS evil 13:19, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

想想在這世你做了什麼黑人憎、卑鄙的事。 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 一起 (talk • contribs) 17:44, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

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MOTD Special nomination for Easter Sunday 24 April 2011

Yes, I know I'm a bit late with this, but it would be very nice if we could have this nomination approved for next Sunday 24 April 2011. Please help, if you have a moment. Thank you, and happy Easter to you and your family!!! All the best. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:21, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

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MOTD's State of Emergency + 1st of May's Motto

As you probably already know, we are facing some problems at MOTD. I am personally monitoring all the nominations on a daily basis and I'm finding very difficult to aprove the motto for the next day. The number of nominations has grown significantly, but even then it seems not enough. Please, if you have time, take a look at the nominations. And, if you like some of them but you think they are not good enough for being approved because of the set of links or and etcetera, please, try to improve them where it is possible. At this rate, I fear that we will see the end of the project. Thanks in advance.
I have also added a special nomination for this Sunday, 1st of May (International Workers' Day or May Day). Please, take a look at it if you can.
All the best. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 15:04, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

P.S.: I'm sorry to bother you again, but take a look at this if you can. Once again, thank you. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 18:26, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Make prompting for a missing edit summary the default

Whilst I do not wish to continue discussion of a failed proposal, I do feel - as "proposer (sort of)" - you will be interested in my comments on User talk:NuclearWarfare#Make prompting for a missing edit summary the default - in that, I think it would be a pity if the entire debate disappeared. (I will also notify Lambian of this). Cheers,  Chzz  ►  03:26, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

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Mother's Day 2011 or 2012

Okay, I'm here again to bother you (again and again... sorry). Things seem to go much better at MOTD, right now. THANK YOU!!!
The reason why I'm writing you is the following: next Sunday (8th of May) is Mother's Day. I know that it is celebrated on different days around the world, but I'd love if we could (and are able to) make our "very-little" contribution in honour of all the mothers in the world. For the upcoming 8th of May (Sunday) there is already a motto in schedule, but I think that we can move the motto approved for that day to another date and to put one about mothers in place of it. Here is my nomination.
Thank you in advance and all the best! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:52, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Hong Kong statistics

Hi,
You offered a reward on the Wikipedia:Reward Board for statistics on employment in Hong Kong in the 1960s...?
I've done some deep digging, and found few numbers - none of which look particularly trustworthy. The problem is best summarised by this paper: "Until the 1970s, Hong Kong’s Government collected as few statistics as possible" - and Clayton's "Labour–Intensive Industrialization in Hong Kong, 1950–70: A Note on Sources and Methods" says much the same.
Obviously censtatd.gov.hk is no use, but there are various third-party papers which try to analyse the subject. Where details have been recorded they're subject to all kinds of regulatory quirks. A department's records will usually be partial because only businesses meeting certain criteria had to register with the department - for example, the CID has records which captured employment in businesses which had to apply for export permits, and the Labour Department has some information on employment in businesses that operated potentially-dangerous machinery or employed women & children. What exactly are you after? If there's a particular area of an article you'd like to improve, or a point that you want to support, let me know and I'll try to find something specific. bobrayner (talk) 14:14, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Happy to email you some journal articles &c if you want. bobrayner (talk) 14:24, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Here are 1960 figures taken from an Industry Department paper:

Industry	% of manufacturing employment	% of exports
Clothing	23.8	35.2
Electronics	0.1	0.0
Plastics	8.3	9.1
Textiles	24.4	19.3
Toys	3.3	4.0
Watches & Clocks	1.1	0.6
Other	39	31.8

You can cite it like this:

{{Cite book | title = Hong Kong's Manufacturing Industries | publisher = Industry Department, government of [[Hong Kong]] | year = 1995 | pages = 32 | language = English}}

Have fun! bobrayner (talk) 14:59, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

If you can get hold of a copy of Yu's "Entrepreneurship and economic development in Hong Kong", that should be even better (other writers cite it, specifically mentioning the tables of historic employment stats), but I can't get a copy here. bobrayner (talk) 15:19, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

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This is just a reminder. If a motto has been used multiple times it should be under or added to Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/Frequently used ideas. Simply south...... improving for 5 years So much for ER 08:39, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

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• Featured content: Featured pictures is back in town

• Arbitration report: Proposed decision submitted for one case

• Technology report: Developers descend on Haifa; wikitech-l discussions; brief news

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The Signpost: 08 August 2011

• Wikimania: Seventh annual Wikimedia conference concluded in Haifa, Israel

• News and notes: Wikimania a success; board letter controversial; and evidence showing bitten newbies don't stay

• In the news: Israeli news focuses on Wikimania; worldwide coverage of contributor decline and gender gap; brief news

• WikiProject report: Shooting the breeze with WikiProject Firearms

• Featured content: The best of the week

• Arbitration report: Manipulation of BLPs case opened; one case comes to a close

• Technology report: Wikimania technology roundup; brief news

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Hong Kong meetup

You're invited to the next Hong Kong meetup on 19 August in Think Cafe, Causeway Bay. Please sign up to the meetup on the meta meetup page. Hope to see you there! Deryck C. 16:18, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 15 August 2011

• Women and Wikipedia: New Research, WikiChix

• News and notes: Chapter funding and what skeptics and Latter Day Saints have in common

• In the news: Wikipedia a "sausage fest", Chicago Wikipedians ("the people you've probably plagiarized"), and other silly season stories

• WikiProject report: The Oregonians

• Featured content: The best of the week

• Arbitration report: Abortion case opened, two more still in progress

• Technology report: Forks, upload slowness and mobile redirection

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The Signpost: 22 August 2011

• News and notes: Girl Geeks edit while they dine, candidates needed for forthcoming steward elections, image referendum opens

• In the news: Journalist regrets not checking citation, PR firms issue advice on how to "survive" Wikipedia (but U.S. Congressman caught red-handed)

• WikiProject report: Images in Motion – WikiProject Animation

• Featured content: JJ Harrison on avian photography

• Arbitration report: After eleven moves, name for islands now under arbitration

• Technology report: Engineering report, sprint, and more testers needed

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The Signpost: 29 August 2011

• News and notes: Abuse filter on all Wikimedia sites; Foundation's report for July; editor survey results

• In the news: Wikipedia praised for disaster news coverage, scolded for left-wing bias; brief news

• Recent research: Article promotion by collaboration; deleted revisions; Wikipedia's use of open access; readers unimpressed by FAs; swine flu anxiety

• Opinion essay: How an attempt to answer one question turned into a quagmire

• WikiProject report: WikiProject Tennis

• Featured content: The best of the week

• Arbitration report: Four existing cases

• Technology report: The bugosphere, new mobile site and MediaWiki 1.18 close in on deployment

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The Signpost: 05 September 2011

• News and notes: 24,000 votes later and community position on image filter still unclear; first index of editor satisfaction appears positive

• In the news: Britannica and Wikipedia like "apples and chairs"; should anyone who's anyone get an article?; and why fighting and barriers to editing may be useful after all

• WikiProject report: Riding with WikiProject London Transport

• Sister projects: Wiki Loves Monuments 2011

• Featured content: The best of the week

• Opinion essay: The copyright crisis, and why we should care

• Arbitration report: BLP case closed; Cirt-Jayen466 nearly there; AUSC reshuffle

• Technology report: Pencils down in Google Summer of Code, August analysed and integrated HTTPS support in action

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The Signpost: 12 September 2011

• News and notes: Foundation reports on research, Kenya trip, Mumbai Wikiconference; Canada, Hungary and Estonia; English Wikinews forked

• In the news: 9/11 coverage, Wikimedia hypothetically rebranded and Wikipedia golf 2.0

• WikiProject report: Politics in the Pacific: WikiProject Australian Politics

• Featured content: Wikipedians explain two new featured pictures

• Arbitration report: Ohconfucius sanctions removed, Cirt desysopped 6:5 and a call for CU/OS applications

• Technology report: What is: agile development? and new mobile site goes live

• Opinion essay: The Walrus and the Carpenter

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The Signpost: 19 September 2011

• From the editor: Changes to The Signpost

• News and notes: Ushahidi research tool announced, Citizendium five years on: success or failure?, and Wikimedia DC officially recognised

• In the news: Wikipedia: yesterday's news? Calls for women, doctors, and scholars of humanities; Wales makes Wikimedia work "look easy"

• Sister projects: On the Wikinews fork

• WikiProject report: Back to school

• Featured content: The best of the week

• Arbitration report: ArbCom narrowly rejects application to open new case

• Technology report: MediaWiki 1.18 deployment begins, the alleged "injustice" of WMF engineering policy, and Wikimedians warned of imminent fix to magic word

• Popular pages: Article stats for the English Wikipedia in the last year

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The Signpost: 26 September 2011

• Opinion essay: The global mission, the image filter and the "German question"

• Recent research: Top female Wikipedians, reverted newbies, link spam, social influence on admin votes, Wikipedians' weekends, WikiSym previews

• News and notes: WMF strikes down enwiki consensus, academic journal partnerships, and eyebrows raised over minors editing porn-related content

• In the news: Sockpuppeting journalist recants, search dominance threatened, new novels replete with Wikipedia references

• WikiProject report: A project in overdrive: WikiProject Automobiles

• Featured content: The best of the week

• Arbitration report: "Broadly construed" explained, voting begins on Senkaku Islands case, invitation to comment on CU/OS candidates

• Technology report: 1.18 deployment on track, "mythical" Git migration scheduled, editor decline statistics improved

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Citation overkill

Template:Citation overkill has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. -— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 10:41, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 3 October 2011

• News and notes: Italian Wikipedia shuts down over new privacy law; Wikimedia Sverige produce short Wikipedia films, Sue Gardner calls for empathy

• In the news: QRpedia launches to acclaim, Jimbo talks social media, Wikipedia attracts fungi, terriers and Greeks bearing gifts

• WikiProject report: Kia ora WikiProject New Zealand

• Featured content: Reviewers praise new featured topic: National treasures of Japan

• Arbitration report: Last call for comments on CheckUser and Oversight teams

• Technology report: Bugs, Repairs, and Internal Operational News

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The Signpost: 10 October 2011

• Opinion essay: The conservatism of Wikimedians

• News and notes: Largest ever donation to WMF, final findings of editor survey released, 'Terms of use' heavily revised

• In the news: Uproar over Italian shutdown, the varying reception of BLP mischief, and Wikipedia's doctor-evangelist

• WikiProject report: The World's Oldest People

• Featured content: The weird and the disgusting

• Arbitration report: Senkaku Islands closes; administrators authorized to place articles on discretionary sanctions

• Technology report: 1.18 deployment and HTTPS switchover completed, but developer help now needed with new projects

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The Signpost: 17 October 2011

• News and notes: Arabic Wikipedia gets video intros, Smithsonian gifts images, and WikiProject Conservatism scrutinized

• In the news: Why Wikipedia survives while others haven't; Wikipedia as an emerging social model; Jimbo speaks out

• WikiProject report: History in your neighborhood: WikiProject NRHP

• Featured content: Brazil's boom-time dreams of naval power: The ed17 explains the background to a new featured topic

• Arbitration report: Case requests on ethnic strife and a WikiProject declined, Abortion case stalls but topic bans look to be lightened on amendment

• Technology report: WMDE renew investment in Toolserver, first offsite backup programme of Wikimedia begun

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The Signpost: 24 October 2011

• From the editors: A call for contributors

• Opinion essay: There is a deadline

• Interview: Contracting for the Foundation

• In the news: Are Wikipedians reluctant journalists?; Wikipedia:The Musical

• WikiProject report: Great WikiProject Logos

• Featured content: The best of the week

• Arbitration report: Abortion; request for amendment on Climate Change case

• Technology report: WMF launches coding challenge, WMDE starts hiring for major new project

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Goodbye

	The Original Barnstar
	No, I didn't forget you - if you do still check this page, then goodbye Kayau. Enjoy this barnstar (which you more than deserve!) Have a good time whatever you're doing! I guess it'll just be me sailing the boat on Wikipedia for the teenagers - I'll miss knowing there's someone else my age out there on Wikipedia. WVRMad•Talk•Guestbook 20:32, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

"Straight to the principal’s room I went
And said some words which were well meant
I shouted WP:NOBIGDEAL
And off I went, for I was on a WP:WB!
And a rhyme break, too!"

- User:Kayau, July 2010

Thanks for everything Kayau. Best of wishes, WVRMad•Talk•Guestbook 20:38, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 31 October 2011

• Opinion essay: The monster under the rug

• Recent research: WikiSym; predicting editor survival; drug information found lacking; RfAs and trust; Wikipedia's search engine ranking justified

• News and notes: German Wikipedia continues image filter protest

• In the news: Citizendium on the rocks, Shankbone celebrated, and the week in vandalism

• Discussion report: Proposal to return this section from hiatus is successful

• WikiProject report: 'In touch' with WikiProject Rugby union

• Featured content: The best of the week

• Arbitration report: Abortion case stalls, request for clarification on Δ, discretionary sanctions streamlined

• Technology report: Wikipedia Zero announced; New Orleans successfully hacked

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The Signpost: 7 November2011

• Special report: A post-mortem on the Indian Education Program pilot

• News and notes: Wikimedia Norway awarded, Halloween on the Main Page, Wikimedia UK recognised

• In the news: The Economist assays the encyclopaedia's challenges, Jimbo speaks on net future, and an inclusionist alternative emerges.

• Discussion report: Special report on the ArbCom Elections steering RfC

• WikiProject report: Booting up with WikiProject Computer Science

• Featured content: Slow week for Featured content

• Arbitration report: Δ saga returns to arbitration, while the Abortion case stalls for another week

• Technology report: Full steam ahead on Visual Editor, the avoidance of lock-breaking and 1.18b1 release

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The Signpost: 14 November 2011

• News and notes: ArbCom nominations open, participation grants finalized, survey results on perceptions on Wikipedia released

• In the news: Fundraising vs ads redux, WikiConference India nigh, a world lit up with articles

• WikiProject report: Having a Conference with WikiProject India

• Featured content: Writing featured content: Advice from Sturmvogel 66; Sports, sports, sports!

• Arbitration report: Abortion and Betacommand 3 in evidence phase, three case requests outstanding

• Technology report: Coding Challenge results; Wikimedians to wait and see if Athena really does represent "wisdom, courage and inspiration"

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The Signpost: 21 November 2011

• News and notes: Last-minute candidates for ArbCom, the Sue Gardner European Tour hits London

• In the news: Indian wikiconference heralds expansion, fundraiser in Silicon Valley major donor coup, import of Wikipedia reconsidered

• Discussion report: Much ado about censorship

• WikiProject report: Working on a term paper with WikiProject Academic Journals

• Featured content: The best of the week

• Arbitration report: End in sight for Abortion case, nominations in 2011 elections

• Technology report: Mumbai and Brighton hacked; horizontal lists have got class

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The Signpost: 28 November 2011

• News and notes: Arb's resignation sparks lightning RfC, Fundraiser 2011 off to a strong start, GLAM in Qatar

• In the news: The closed, unfriendly world of Wikipedia, fundraiser fun and games, and chemists vs pornstars

• Recent research: Quantifying quality collaboration patterns, systemic bias, POV pushing, the impact of news events, and editors' reputation

• WikiProject report: The Signpost scoops The Bugle

• Featured content: The best of the week

• Arbitration report: Voting underway in the elections, finally a final decision on Abortion, scant movement on requests

• Technology report: Foundation appears correct to back improved smartphone support; and how a Reddit slip meant no-one could read anything for thirty minutes

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The Signpost: 05 December 2011

• News and notes: Amsterdam gets the GLAM treatment, fundraising marches on, and a flourish of new admins

• In the news: A Wikistream of real time edits, a call for COI reform, and cracks in the ivory tower of knowledge

• Discussion report: Trial proposed for tool apprenticeship

• WikiProject report: This article is about WikiProject Disambiguation. For other uses...

• Featured content: This week's Signpost is for the birds!

• Arbitration report: Elections due to finish this week, little activity on Betacommand 3, Abortion case amended

• Technology report: Incremental dumps help mirrors, full screen search helps mobile visitors, and two MediaWiki releases help external sites

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The Signpost: 12 December 2011

• Opinion essay: Wikipedia in Academe – and vice versa

• News and notes: Research project banner ads run afoul of community

• In the news: Bell Pottinger investigation, Gardner on gender gap, and another plagiarist caught red-handed

• WikiProject report: Spanning Nine Time Zones with WikiProject Russia

• Featured content: Wehwalt gives his fifty cents; spies, ambushes, sieges, and Entombment

• Arbitration report: Betacommand 3 workshop revived, two cases set for acceptance and the ArbCom elections finish on a whimper

• Technology report: Trials and tribulations of image rotation, Article Feedback version 5, and new diff colours

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The Signpost: 19 December 2011

• News and notes: Anti-piracy act has Wikimedians on the defensive, WMF annual report released, and Indic language dynamics

• In the news: To save the wiki: strike first, then makeover?

• Discussion report: Polls, templates, and other December discussions

• WikiProject report: A dalliance with the dismal scientists of WikiProject Economics

• Featured content: Panoramas with Farwestern and a good week for featured content

• Arbitration report: The community elects eight arbitrators

• Technology report: Visual editor demo launched, hailed as "most important change to our user experience ... ever"; but elsewhere over-hasty deployments criticised

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The Signpost: 26 December 2011

• Opinion essay: Openness versus quality: why we're doing it wrong, and how to fix it

• Recent research: Psychiatrists: Wikipedia better than Britannica; spell-checking Wikipedia; Wikipedians smart but fun; structured biological data

• News and notes: Fundraiser passes 2010 watermark, brief news

• WikiProject report: The Tree of Life

• Featured content: Going through the roster with Killervogel5 and a plethora of featured content

• Arbitration report: Three open cases, one set for acceptance, arbitrators formally appointed by Jimmy Wales

• Technology report: Wikimedia in Go Daddy boycott, and why you should 'Join the Swarm'

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The Signpost: 02 January 2012

• Interview: The Gardner interview

• News and notes: Things bubbling along as Wikimedians enjoy their holidays

• WikiProject report: Where are they now? Part III

• Featured content: Ghosts of featured content past, present, and future

• Arbitration report: New case accepted, four open cases, terms begin for new arbitrators

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The Signpost: 09 January 2012

• Technological roadmap: 2011's technological achievements in review, and what 2012 may hold

• News and notes: Fundraiser 2011 ends with a bang

• In the news: Wikipedia ends annual fundraising drive; Monmouthpedia launches

• WikiProject report: From Traditional to Experimental: WikiProject Jazz

• Featured content: Contentious FAC debate: a week in review

• Arbitration report: Four open cases, proposed decision in Betacommand 3

• Technology report: December in more detail; and why the MediaWiki codebase was "slushed" this week

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The Signpost: 16 January 2012

• Special report: English Wikipedia to go dark on January 18

• Sister projects: What are our sisters up to now?

• News and notes: WMF on the looming SOPA blackout, Wikipedia turns 11, and Commons passes 12 million files

• WikiProject report: WikiProject Beer

• Featured content: Lecen on systemic bias in featured content

• Arbitration report: Four open cases, Betacommand case deadlocked, Muhammad images close near

• Technology report: ArticleFeedback moves into new trial phase; and how MediaWiki integrates with Facebook, IPv6, and PostgreSQL explored

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The Signpost: 23 January 2012

• News and notes: SOPA blackout, Orange partnership

• In the news: World watched as Wikipedia shut down for SOPA blackout

• WikiProject report: The Golden Horseshoe: WikiProject Toronto

• Featured content: Interview with Muhammad Mahdi Karim and the best of the week

• Arbitration report: Four open cases, proposed decision in Muhammad images, AUSC call for applications

• Technology report: Looking ahead to MediaWiki 1.19 and related issues

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The Signpost: 30 January 2012

• News and notes: Update on Global Development, Wikipedia Day NYC is a success, JFK audio on Commons

• In the news: Zambian wiki-assassins, Foundation über alles, editor engagement and the innovation plateau

• Recent research: Language analyses examine power structure and political slant; Wikipedia compared to commercial databases

• WikiProject report: Digging Up WikiProject Palaeontology

• Featured content: Featured content soaring this week

• Arbitration report: Five open cases, voting on proposed decisions in two cases

• Technology report: Why "Lua" is on everybody's lips, and when to expect MediaWiki 1.19

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The Signpost: 06 February 2012

• News and notes: The Foundation visits Tunisia, analyzes donors

• In the news: Leading scholar hails Wikipedia, historians urged to contribute while PR pros remain shunned

• Discussion report: Discussion swarms around Templates for deletion and returning editors of colourful pasts

• WikiProject report: The Eye of the Storm: WikiProject Tropical Cyclones

• Featured content: Talking architecture with MrPanyGoff

• Arbitration report: Four open cases, final decision in Muhammad images, Betacommand 3 near closure

• Technology report: October's coding challenge: results now in; progress on 1.19 steady; and why for a while interwiki links were no more

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The Signpost: 13 February 2012

• Special report: Fundraising proposals spark a furore among the chapters

• News and notes: Foundation launches Legal and Community Advocacy department

• In the news: Scholars and spindoctors contend with the emergent wikiorder

• In focus: Skirmishes in the 'great sectarian war of the Internet'

• WikiProject report: WikiProject Stub Sorting

• Featured content: The best of the week

• Arbitration report: Betacommand 3 closed, proposed decision in Civility enforcement, AUSC candidates announced

• Technology report: January sees prototype new geodata API; but February looks to be a testing time for top developers

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