Johnjmuller

Zamora (pianist)

I was about to post this to the talk page of the IP you have been using, when I noticed that you had created an account, so I'll add this here instead. Regarding your edit to Zamora (pianist) and your comment on my user talk page: just because a website is freely licensed for Wikipedia to use, it does not follow that the text on that website is going to be appropriate for an encyclopedia. You mention your conversation with C.Fred, but if you read what C.Fred actually said, you will see that he stated from the beginning that the text on Zamora's website is not acceptable for Wikipedia, even if it is freely licenced.

The text you restored, copied from Zamora's website, violates a couple of central Wikipedia policies: as C.Fred also pointed out, it is entirely promotional (see this policy), and it is not verified (see this policy) in reliable sources (see this guideline). Note that a person's own website can only be used as a source to a very limited extent (more information here), and never to support promotional claims or statements. In addition, secondary sources can only be used to support information that is actually in the sources. Neither of the El Universal sources says that Zamora is considered a national treasure or that he is "one of the greatest composers"; one of the sources only mentions him in passing, and the other one is an interview which can be used as a source, but not to that kind of statement. (Important: Even if you do have an independent source calling Zamora a "national treasure", that statement could not be added as a fact in Wikipedia's voice, only as an opinion of some specific publisher. Look at the article Stephen Fry for one example of how such an opinion can be added.)

In addition to violating the neutrality, verifiability, and reliable sources policies/guideline, very little of the content is appropriate for an encyclopedia article. Please see what Wikipedia is not. Among other things, it is not a place to publish "the untold story" of a person's life. Thank you. --bonadea contributions talk 08:31, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Dear Bonadea,

Thanks for your message.

However, I do not agree with your edit since that you removed relevant information and true facts with solid references about pianist and composer Zamora.

For example,

Zamora was postulated two times as Presidential Candidate of Venezuela and you removed it, even with the official press release from the National Electoral Council of Venezuela (CNE) as reference announcing him as one of the Presidential Candidates.

Here is the link with the official press release from the National Electoral Council of Venezuela:

Link of reference:

http://www4.cne.gob.ve/web/sala_prensa/noticia_detallada.php?id=2078

Zamora is also considered a national treasure and as one of the greatest composers of piano and instrumental music worldwide. The review was made by Julie Anderson (AirPlayDirect.com). So, I agree to restore this relevant fact as you suggested (He has been “described” as a national treasure and as one of the greatest composers of piano and instrumental music worldwide). The article about Zamora published by major Venezuelan newspaper EL UNIVERSAL seems to have been placed wrongly as reference about that.

Here is the link with the official biographical review by Julie Anderson @AirPlayDirect.com

Link of reference:

http://www.airplaydirect.com/music/zamora

Zamora is also a writer and you removed this fact.

Here is his official author page @Amazon.com.

Link of reference:

https://www.amazon.com/Zamora/e/B003K57CB2/

Zamora lives traveling between The United States, his native country and around the world according to his official website and you wrongly stated that he lives in both Los Angeles and Venezuela.

No person (human) is able to live in two locations at the same time.

Here is the link of reference from his official website (alejandrozamora.com)

http://alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/bio/full_bio/full_bio.htm

He is also a politician (same as writer) and you removed this true fact.

Link of reference:

http://www4.cne.gob.ve/web/sala_prensa/noticia_detallada.php?id=2078

(Same link with the official press release from the National Electoral Council of Venezuela)

Also, official documents signed by the National Electoral Council of Venezuela showing that he was postulated two times as Presidential Candidate of Venezuela (2012 and 2018) are available at the official website of Zamora.

Link of reference:

http://alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/bio/bio.htm

Zamora arrived to the red carpet of the GRAMMYs in a “DeLorean” - the iconic car used in the legendary movie “Back to The Future” dresses as King with a cape, crown and scepter and you removed this fact.

Link of reference:

http://alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/bio/bio.htm

VIDEO:

http://alejandrozamora.com/video/ZAMORA_GRAMMY_DELOREAN/

Zamora was nominated @The GRAMMYs (2010) in the same category along with legendary artist “Kitaro” and you removed this important and relevant fact.

Link of reference:

List of GRAMMY Nominees - New Age category (2010)

http://alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/bio/full_bio/53_GRAMMY.pdf

Zamora also was nominated @The GRAMMYs (2011) in the same category along with legendary artist “Pat Metheny” and you also removed this important and relevant fact.

List of GRAMMY Nominees - New Age category (2011)

Link of reference:

http://alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/bio/full_bio/54_GRAMMY.pdf

He is a descendant from General "Ezequiel Zamora"

Here is the genealogical tree of Zamora published at his official website (hyperlink “descendant”)

Link of reference:

http://alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/bio/full_bio/zamora_tree.PNG

Zamora is also a singer and you removed this fact.

You can listen him singing in the samples of his new album VOX published at his official website.

Link of reference:

http://alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/disco/vox/vox.htm

He is also a philanthropist and you removed this fact. A Philanthropist can be anyone helping other people through their own Foundation.

Here is the link to his Foundation.

Link of Reference:

http://foundation.alejandrozamora.com

He is also a philosopher and evangelist and you removed this fact.

You can read these facts through his many thoughts, proverbs and reflections of his evangelist teachings and experiences in his book Thoughts, Proverbs and Reflections.

Here is the link to his book @Amazon.com

Link of Reference:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1449598366

He supports and promotes a healthy lifestyle, a healthy diet and he is also advocated of natural medicine.

You can read these facts in his book “Panacea”.

Here is the link to his book titled “Panacea”

Link of Reference:

http://alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/biblio/panacea/panacea.htm

His music has been offered online worldwide through all the international websites of Amazon.com, including America, Asia and Europe.

Link of reference:

Amazon.com (US / North America)

https://www.amazon.com

Amazon.com (Europe)

https://www.amazon.es/Instrumental-Oasis-Vol-6-Zamora/dp/B01GUP4QBC

Amazon.com (Asia)

https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/Zamora/dp/B01GUP4QBC

Prestigious singers from around the world have sung his songs in different languages, including famous singers Ana María Kovacs from Hungary and Leti Garza, from Texas, USA who is the vocalist of the song “Tropical Oasis” of his GRAMMY® nominated album “Instrumental Oasis, Vol.4”

You can listen and watch the video of these singers singing the songs composed by Zamora here:

Link of reference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXqq38tTSRw

The vocal version of the instrumental song “Tropical Oasis” from his GRAMMY® nominated album “Instrumental Oasis, Vol. 4” performed by Leti Garza was a great success around the world gathering thousands of views in YouTube.

Here is the link to the video @YouTube

Link of reference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXqq38tTSRw

The video of the vocal version of "Tropical Oasis", from the original GRAMMY® nominated album was created thanks to Mike Greenly, who wrote the lyrics of the Virginia state anthem.

Here is the link to the video posted @YouTube with Mike Greenly himself commenting and the pinned comment with the special thanks given by Zamora to Mike Greenly.

Link of reference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXqq38tTSRw

He is the Founder / Admin of The G-Club!, a Facebook group with more than 10 years online and a coalition of more than 2000 prestigious musicians, independent artists, celebrities, nominees, winners and voting members of The GRAMMYs, The EMMYs and The Hollywood Music In Media Awards (HMMA) among many other prestigious awards.

Here is the link to the Facebook group:

Link of reference:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/434141456691589

Zamora is the owner of a radio station called OASIS-FM

Link of reference:

http://oasis-fm.ddns.net

Zamora is the owner of an UBER style taxi service in his native country.

You can see that Zamora / Zamora Foundation is the owner listed at the bottom of the page.

Link of reference:

http://www.tutaxi.com.ve

Zamora has been donor and supporter of many non-profit organizations like UNICEF, the Internatinal Red Cross and MusiCares through the GRAMMY® Foundation.

Here is a link showing his name as official supporter @MusiCares and The GRAMMY Foundation

Link of reference:

MusiCares:

https://www.grammy.com/sites/com/files/pages/mc_csr_2012.pdf

GRAMMY Foundation:

https://www.grammy.com/sites/com/files/pages/gf_csr_2012.pdf

He has received special recognition and congratulations from many public figures, musicians and personalities around the world as NASA Administrator, Charles Bolden, Prince of Asturias (Actually King of Spain), The Vatican / Pope Francis / Secretary of State Cardinal Pietro Parolin, Ambassador / Apostolic Nuncio Aldo Giordano, Kevin Pike, Mike Greenly, Ambassador Vladimir Zaemsky from Russia, José Antonio Abreu, Los Angeles Philharmonic Director / Conductor Gustavo Dudamel and legendary musician “Chick Corea”, among many others.

You can see here a huge showcase of recognitions and words of congratulations from personalities and public figures around the world given to Zamora.

Link of reference:

http://alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/bio/full_bio/full_bio.htm

The list of true facts with solid references that you removed is longer but I am highlighting this list to start.

Now, if one of the premises of Wikipedia is to keep an updated biography with true facts about public figures and celebrities like Zamora then you should to restore these true facts instead of removing or hidden these relevant facts with solid references.

However, I also would be glad to help you to restore and improve the article about him.

So, I would like to know if you are going to restore these true facts with solid references that you removed, or if I can do that to continue improving the article.

By the way, I have had a good relationship and experience with Admin C.Fred and I hope to have the same outcome with you to work together improving the article about Zamora.

Thank you!

Johnjmuller (talk) 22:00, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

April 2021

Please do not attack other editors, as you did at User talk:C.Fred. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. bonadea contributions talk 19:13, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@Bonadea: It was not an attack - If you are wise you should to take it as a constructive critic to mend / reflect about own failures and at the sane time to improve your approach / edits of articles @Wikipedia

So, I hope that you can reflect about your approach of deleting relevant information with solid references especially about celebrities or presidential candidates without asking to discuss any inquiry first to say at the end that it might be included again, or to object all my interventions very repeatedly even objecting my participation to edit directly the article when I already had said that I have no intentions to do it directly, however I still hope to have high level talks with you in a future of the same way as I have experienced with Wiki-Admin C.Fred.

Please, stay cool you too

Thank you!

Johnjmuller (talk) 21:22, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

May 2021

Hello, Johnjmuller. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

• avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization or competitors;
• propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the {{request edit}} template);
• disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#How to disclose a COI);
• avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see WP:Spam);
• do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 04:31, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi,

I don’t have any external relationship with the article/people where I am collaborating to improve the article.

Thanks for your message.

Johnjmuller (talk) 04:46, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

That is simply not true. You have stated that you are a fan of Zamora; that may or may not be the case, but in any case you have shown very clearly that you have immediate access to his websites. Following discussions here, his personal website had its licensing info updated. Following the discussion at the top of this page, his airplaydirect.com page was updated, and suddenly there is a "biographical review" by "Julie Anderson" calling Zamora a "national treasure" (and we may as well get this out of the way right now: the text "national treasure" can not be added to the Wikipedia article based on that source. airplaydirect.com is not a secondary source, and it is not independent, since it is self-published.) --bonadea contributions talk 09:24, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@Bonadea:

I think that you can’t understand English very well either.

However, I will repeat it again:

I have stated clearly that I don’t have any external relationship (direct affiliation) with the person of the article where I am collaborating to improve the article. I am a fan only.

And if you re-read it slowly again, you will be able to see that I sent an e-mail requesting to update the license and since it was updated the same day, it was supposed that I had a direct affiliation with the artist.

So, for this “hypothetical reason” I voluntarily decided to avoid editing the article directly.

Finally, I don’t know anything about AirPlayDirect.com nor how it does work, although it seems that it may be updated anytime and perhaps it’s a coincidence.

Now, please STOP doing false accusations about me or suggesting that I’m lying after stating that “It's simply not true”, without any irrefutable evidence but just only suppositions.

So, next time I will send a complaint to the administration of Wikipedia about your misconduct, continued harassment against me and the continued unfair disruption of the article violating Wikipedia guidelines.

Johnjmuller (talk) 11:21, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Bonadea is not harassing you; he is raising a very valid concern. Accepting on face value that you are a fan who rarely, if ever, is in contact with Zamora or his agents, there is certainly the appearance of a conflict of interest with the quick change of licensure by Zamora's website. Generally, websites don't give away content so freely at the request of their fans. Frankly, there are a lot of artists whose staff don't read the fan mail that quickly, much less forward it on to management for action! Also, there are many prior cases where an editor with a COI has held themselves out as being neutral even though they were working for the subject of the article.

You should also be aware that when an editor raises a complaint to an administrators' noticeboard, the reporting editor's conduct is looked at just as much as the reported editor's. So, your persistent use of walls of text—after both Bonadea and I have advised against them—will be looked at.

Finally, please assume good faith. I am working with you because I believe that, at the end of the day, your motive is to improve the article about Zamora. Yes, I consider it possible that you might be a paid promoter; however, I'm willing to assume the other possibility that you are just unfamiliar with the guidelines on the English Wikipedia for how articles should be written—as well as the guidelines on how to participate in talk page. In that light, please view Bonadea's suggestions as an effort to help you become part of the body of constructive Wikipedia editors rather than an attempt to push you out of it. —C.Fred (talk) 13:49, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Sure!

Thanks for your message and kind words! @C.Fred:

You and @Bonadea: are welcome and I am glad to work together to improve the article about Zamora.

I think that it was a misunderstanding.

So, as I said from the start — I am open to have the same high level discussions & relationship with him too.

Thanks again!

Johnjmuller (talk) 19:15, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Two important points about talk page discussions

1. Please start indenting your posts on talk pages.
2. Please do not bludgeon talk page discussions.

Thank you. --bonadea contributions talk 09:29, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Also, please indent your posts consistently.

If you move on to a new paragraph, like I just did, you need to insert the proper number of colons at the start of it also. —C.Fred (talk) 21:55, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@C.Fred: Thank you for your helpful tips!

I am learning to use the interface.

I have learned now about inserting the proper number of (:) after answering / and going to a new paragraph.

Thanks again!

Johnjmuller (talk) 22:06, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

ANI notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 14:08, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

May 2021

I have indefinitely blocked you from editing one specific article, Zamora (pianist). At this time, you are still free to edit Talk: Zamora (pianist), and all other Wikipedia pages, as long as you comply with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines going forward. Please see Wikipedia:Appealing a block if you want to request that the article block be removed. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:41, 3 May 2021 (UTC)