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C.V.U.A training Me

So will you train me to fight against vandalism? I am new to vandalism fighting and I can a bit of some help. I am a new user and I have read over most policies. IlluminatingTrooper (talk) 06:11, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi IlluminatingTrooper, thanks for reaching out. I've recently taken on a couple of new students, and am not sure that I would be able to find time for another one right at the moment; having said that, one of them is progressing quite quickly, and it might not be too long until they graduate. From a quick look at your contributions, it looks like you've already started using Twinkle to clean up vandalism - my advice at the moment would be to give WP:Twinkle and WP:Vandalism another careful read-through, build up some more experience using the 'Recent changes', and hopefully I'll be in a position to start taking you through the course in the near future (maybe in the next couple of weeks?). Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 06:58, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi IlluminatingTrooper - I've graduated one of my students, and I've marked another as inactive since they haven't edited for a few weeks, so I think I've got some space to pick this up if you're still interested. I see that you were granted Rollback recently, so you have obviously already picked up a good amount of experience in this area - let me know if you still want to go through the course. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 17:37, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

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gifto

	The Editor's Barnstar
	good half Drattman (talk) 08:25, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Rotten Tomatoes Updates

Could you please look into this discussion and provide a suggestion.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_considered_the_best#/talk/6 Ashokkumar47 (talk) 03:59, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Ashokkumar47, hi - I'm not sure why you've reached out to me here, film articles aren't something I know much about. If I've edited that page recently, I expect it was just to revert vandalism or something. Sorry GirthSummit _(blether) 09:06, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

gifto 2

ok Drattman (talk) 08:27, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Drattman The falafel is appreciated. The removal of content from multiple articles - not so much. If you're annoyed that I nominated your user page for deletion, come and tell me that here, rather than vandalising the encyclopedia - I'm always happy to be asked to account for my actions. Your user page seemed to me to have content that was no compliant with our guidelines at WP:UP. You may create a new page of course, just make sure it's compliant with those guidelines. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 09:13, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Fram RfA

Fram I attempted to drop by and put a note on your talk page, but Future Perfect at Sunrise's protection prevents me from doing that (no criticism intended BTW - I'm sure it was appropriate and necessary). I don't imagine that a protracted exposition of my views on the whole affair are of any interest to you, but I just wanted to say that I thought your withdrawal statement was remarkably dignified and, in view of the levels both of support and opposition from numerous first-rate editors, it was the honourable thing to do in order to avoid any wedges being driven further into the community. I'm glad that you intend to continue editing, and that you feel able to take the commentary on board. Please accept my best wishes for your future endeavours. GirthSummit _(blether) 19:42, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!!!!

		The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		This is for your valuable efforts for countering Vandalism and protecting Wikipedia from it's threats. I appreciate your effort. You are a defender of Wikipedia. Thank you. PATH SLOPU 10:55, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Path slopu - I've seen you around quite a bit, thanks for your efforts too. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 12:03, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

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CVUA

Just realized that you couldn't have received my ping from yesterday because I forgot to sign my post. Both have to happen at the same time to work. Clovermoss (talk) 20:41, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Clovermoss, you're right, I didn't get the ping - I've seen your update now, I'll review the diffs and feedback later today. GirthSummit _(blether) 08:41, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Margaret Macpherson Grant

The article Margaret Macpherson Grant you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Margaret Macpherson Grant for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Gog the Mild -- Gog the Mild (talk) 12:02, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

I've changed all the refs to harv. For future reference here's notes:

• Install this thingy [1] It will make ugly red stuff show up on the page if there are errors. (I've left you one to fix on Macpherson Grant, so you can see what it looks like when a citation is broken).
• Dates are important. Please try to insert them in the citations, so the ref is easier to format. If there are more than one date in the same year by the same author, they are distinguished by a, b, c, etc. (See Historic Environment Scotland 2007a, b, etc.)
• If the author is known, put the ref in alpha order by surname.
• If the author is unknown, put the article name in alpha order.
• Link to author names, publisher names, etc. if you can. (author-link=no brackets will link to a WP article)
• It doesn't matter if the harv format goes in the front or the back of the citation, I prefer the front, but see Historic Environment Scotland, 1972 or 1976, where I put it at the end because the template doesn't give me cite=xxx

Hope these are helpful tips. If not, you can totally disregard them. Except, please fix the error I left for you. SusunW (talk) 18:09, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

SusunW, thanks for taking the time to explain that - one of the best things about working with you on this is how much I'm learning! I'll read through the notes properly, install that gizmo and fix the last citation later today when I'm in front of my pc. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 08:40, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

SusunW, that seemed to work - I saw the ugly red stuff as you suggested, and spotted the error in the date of the citation - think it's fixed now, I'm not seeing any more red. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 11:57, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Perfect! Glad to be able to help. Can't take credit for any of it, someone gave me the gadget, someone else taught me about harv refs and still someone else taught me how to format it when there is no author. it truly does take a village to work on here. We all learn from each other. SusunW (talk) 14:59, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Iam frustrated....

Narendra Singh Dhami is a author , Social Activist ans Actor,he have written four books,he have acted on three movies.And you are asking about notably of Narendra Singh Dhami ? how stupid behavior is this ? is it fair ??Everestpedia (talk) 06:53, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Everestpedia, hi - I understand that you are frustrated, but you must not allow that to spill over and cause you to level personal attacks at other editors - using words like stupid, pathetic etc to describe others' contributions is not civil. Writing four books and appearing in three movies does not automatically make someone notable - you have been given links to our notability guidelines already, have you read them? You need to find reliable sources giving the subject significant coverage - if you can do that, no one will challenge their notability. Insulting people is going to make them less inclined to agree with you and help you, it is not helping your cause. GirthSummit _(blether) 08:29, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Everestpedia I just took a look at the draft in question, and can confirm what AngusWOOF was right to decline it, since the sourcing is not there to support notability. Google searches, and Google information panels, Google books pages about his work, 'Good reads' pages - none of these are reliable sources that give his work significant coverage. The Surnayakhabar source looks like WP:UGC which was written by the subject, so would not be considered reliable or to count towards notability. The only potentially reliable source I'm seeing there is the Himalayan Times article - but that gives him a single passing mention, which is not significant coverage. There simply isn't enough material there to support an article - you need to find reliably published mainstream coverage of him or his writing to establish notability per WP:GNG or WP:NAUTHOR, or the article can't stand. Nobody is trying to frustrate you, we apply these criteria to all articles, especially to biographies of living people. Please just tone down the rhetoric, and look for better sourcing. GirthSummit _(blether) 08:48, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

g.co = google search with the term. There's no indication when the person became an activist (I'm assuming they are currently one), what cause they are advocating, and what movements or organizations they started, joined, or led, or anything about how the person's writings, speeches, or acting has impacted society. Did the person get any awards for their work. The sourcing is still bleh. I've had to move the article from mainspace back to draft TWICE. If Everestpedia moves this to mainspace directly with the same level of sourcing. I will have to escalate to AFD or MFD and salt. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:31, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

My submission about Unlock Brands entry

Hello Girth, I wish you are well.

I'd like to ask you please to review the changes I made to turn this entry less "commercial". However, I really think Unlock Brands is a legit and rightful candidate to be featured on Wikipedia because it's kind of a phenomenon that an Agency from such a small country as Portugal is producing some of the worlds best, most relevant Branding and Design projects, like 2 FIFA World Football Cups' identity in a row.

And there are many other Branding and Design Agencies featured on Wikipedia, so the criteria should be the same upon approval.

Please take this into consideration and don't hesitate to contact me with further suggestions.

Thank you, have a nice day!

Masofema (talk) 09:58, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Masofema, thanks for reaching out. The new version is definitely an improvement, but there are still some unsourced assertions there, and listing all of the areas they work in still looks promotional to me. A better version of the article would state simply that they are a brand design firm, mention the names of the people involved, and note that they are known for having designed the logo for the relevant competitions - including at least one independent source (not the company's website) to support each assertion. I'd suggest that you cut the last paragraph entirely. I think that if you were to make those changes, this would be much more likely to pass a review.

As an aside - I don't know whether you have any connection to the company - if not, you're fine, but if you are an employee, a relative of one of the founders, or have been contracts by them to write this article, then you need to read and comply with COI. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 12:10, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Girth,

Just to let you know I agreed and implemented all your recommendations, so I hope you will find it suitable now. Please let me know if there's anything else I can do.

I assure you that I don't work for Unlock Brands nor that I am being paid to do this.

It's just that they are my friends and I really think their track record is really a great achievement, as well as the quality of their work.

Waiting for your feedback,Masofema (talk) 13:08, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Masofema, hi again - since they are your friends, you do have a conflict of interest - you should read the COI guidelines linked to above, and make the necessary declaration on your user page. This does not mean that the article won't be published, it just makes it clear to reviewers that you have a connection and that you are doing everything properly and above-board. I'd suggest that you resubmit the draft and another reviewer will give it their look over. GirthSummit _(blether) 15:08, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Masofema, just to let you know, I took the liberty of changing a few things on your draft - you are free to undo my changes if you like, but I think that will help it pass a review if you resubmit it now. Please do make the necessary COI declaration before resubmitting though. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 15:26, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

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Thanks for your help!

I'm still learning how to create wiki pages and appreciate your feedback. I'll look for additional independent sources for the podcast page I tried to create. It is slowly gaining recognition and press so I may have to wait until there are more reputable articles written before I finalize and submit the page for publishing. Thanks for your assistance as I learn the ropes! KnowledgeGoddessDC (talk) 17:06, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

KnowledgeGoddessDC, no problem, you're welcome! I'm so glad you weren't upset - not everyone takes well to having their articles draftified, but it's sometimes the best option when there is good content there, but the sources don't quite support notability yet. A couple more decent-length reviews in reliable sources would probably swing it - do drop me a note if you add them and I'll be happy to take a look. Welcome to Wikipedia by the way! GirthSummit _(blether) 17:09, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Wanted to call your attention to [article] again to see if the sources indicate notability. Here are the top 3 sources. 1. The Washington Post - 5 Dating App Mistakes You're Probably Making According to the Hosts of U Up 2. Chicago Tribune - The ‘U Up?’ podcast duo is coming to Chicago — with no-nonsense advice for dating in the city 3. E Online - Listen Up, Gigi Hadid: This Is What Tyler Cameron Is Looking For in a Partner

Thanks for your help and advice! KnowledgeGoddessDC (talk) 17:51, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

KnowledgeGoddessDC, hi again. It would be worth taking a look at WP:INTERVIEWS - it's an essay which discusses the use of interviews when weighing notability. The Washington Post and the E Online pieces aren't quite ideal because of this, since they're both essentially just interviews with the presenters of the podcast, so are largely primary and dependent. I can't see the Chicago Tribune source because of my geographical location (a lot of US media sources block UK IP addresses because they're not compliant with our GDPR laws), so I can't assess that one - if it gives significant coverage to the podcast itself (rather than just the hosts), and it's not an interview, then it's probably a good notability indicator, since it's a very reliable publication. GirthSummit _(blether) 09:14, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:BMW 3 Series (E36)

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DYK for St Rufus Church

On 15 October 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article St Rufus Church, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the nave entrance doors of St Rufus Church in Keith, Moray, Scotland, incorporate a two-sided memorial to the First and Second World Wars? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/St Rufus Church. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, St Rufus Church), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease

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A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	Thank you for encouragement me to work on this with you, and in the process reminding me why I'm here, at a time when I really needed it. Next stop: GA! – Levivich 01:49, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Levivich - I'm glad it's come together so well, especially all the great pictures you were able to find. I think we can go straight for the GA nom once it's off the main page - my DYKs usually get a few tweaks while they're at the prep stage, the fact this has gone through without changes probably means there can't be too much wrong with it! Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 05:04, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Margaret Macpherson Grant

On 16 October 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Margaret Macpherson Grant, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that 19th-century Scottish heiress and philanthropist Margaret Macpherson Grant died, aged 42, shortly after her female partner had abandoned her to marry a man? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Margaret Macpherson Grant. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Margaret Macpherson Grant), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Your RfA

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Help

Hello Girth, I would like to write an article about Joe Townsend, can you provide me with some reliable sources? Sincerely. Andrew Base (talk) 14:40, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Andrew Base, hi Andrew - I assume you're referring to the paralympic athlete? this looks reliable enough to get started with - it's probably not 100% independent, but I can't see anyone questioning his notability. I'm not very experienced at sporting biographies, I'd suggest taking a look at a few biographies of other athletes and see the sources they use. If you can find one that's a GA, that would probably be a good template to use. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 15:02, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Girth Summit, Thanks for the advice and yes I'm referring to that athlete. I'll be working on that article tomorrow. Andrew Base (talk) 15:17, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Andrew Base, hi again - I did a bit more Googling, see this, this, this and this. Go easy when working with interviews - anything the subject is saying about himself would be considered a primary source, so best avoided if possible, but statements made about him by a Telegraph journalist would probably be OK, and the coverage in those articles adds more weight to the notability. Just as an aside, you might want to add a disambiguation template pointing to Joseph Townsend. Good luck with it GirthSummit _(blether) 15:25, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Hey Girth, I've created the article Joe Townsend, thank you for providing me with the sources. Andrew Base (talk) 17:02, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Andrew Base hi again - that looks like a good start. I changed a couple of your links, which were going to disambiguation pages (there's a script you can install that makes links to disambig pages show up in orange - can't remember which one it is at the moment, but I'll have a dig around to try and find it for you). I also added a few links to useful articles. A few thoughts:

• You need to check a couple of the refs - the first two are giving me a 404, so I think there's a mistake in your URLs? The first link also seems to be just a bare URL, which is a bad idea because those are very prone to WP:LINKROT - try to fill in as many details as you can in the Cite Template.
• You didn't add any categories - I've added a few, there might be some more that apply. I use WP:Hotcat to add them.
• You should also think about adding some talk page banners - there are scripts you can use to do that, but the easiest thing is probably to find another British paralympian and copy them from them from their talk page - just make sure you remove the article assessments (just leave them blank, an editor from one of the relevant projects will come along and add them).
• There are a couple of slightly WP:PUFFy phrases which you should probably tweak, like 'one of the best PT1 triathletes in the world' - we don't make judgments like that in Wikipedia's voice, we should either say that he has been described by such and such a source as "one of the best..." (thereby making it a direct quote), or say something more bland like 'established himself in the field of paralympic triathlon'.

Hope that's useful - well done for getting started in the word of content creation! GirthSummit _(blether) 19:10, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Girth, I've removed that phrase. Andrew Base (talk) 11:21, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Girth, I believe User:Anomie/linkclassifier.js and User:Anomie/linkclassifier.css are what you are looking for to highlight DAB pages. Kees08 (Talk) 06:59, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Kees08, thanks! I'd forgotten that I promised to dig them out, that's very kind of you. Andrew Base, if you are interested, follow Kees08's links above and install the script. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 07:28, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Because you thanked me

Girth Summit, you thanked me for one of my recent edits, so here is a heart-felt...  YOU'RE WELCOME! It's a pleasure, and I hope you have a lot of fun while you edit this inspiring encyclopedia phenomenon! GirthSummit (blether)

11:51, 21 October 2019 (UTC) --DoebLoggs (talk) 11:38, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

DoebLoggs Cool - I haven't received a 'you're welcome' before! You beat me to the revert at Aerospace engineering, so I thought I'd just let you know that I appreciate your work. That template makes replying here a bit tricky though, I just accidentally edited the template itself - twice! How embarrassing... Cheers! GirthSummit _(blether) 11:39, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

That nearly happened to me too... :-D --DoebLoggs (talk) 11:43, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

DoebLoggs Figured it out - you need to substitute the template like that when adding it to a page - see WP:TSUB for more information, but basically you just need to add 'subst:' before the name of the template. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 11:53, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Ooops, you're right.... --DoebLoggs (talk) 12:01, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

CVUA Request

Hi! I've been looking over the anti-vandalism policies recently, and I'm pretty interested. I am a new editor and I might not have enough edits, but I just wanted to see if you would be willing to help me figure out the anti-vandal stuff. I don't have much actual real experience reverting vandalism, as I don't have any of the tools and all the more experienced editors beat me to it, but I do like watching anti-vandal people at work. :-) thank you for taking time to consider my request! Puddleglum2.0👌 (talk) 02:29, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi Puddleglum2.0 - thanks for offering to help out with counter vandalism. As I always do with prospective trainees, I've just taken a look through some of your contributions - I hope you don't mind that I reverted a couple of them, as I'm not sure that they were really improvements (I gave brief explanations in my edit summaries, but would be happy to discuss further if you like). It's clear however that you're here to help out, so if cleaning up vandalism is something that you'd be interested in, I'd be more than happy to help you get started. I'll set up your training page now, and ping you from there. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 07:24, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Roses

Thanks for the invitation and being open minded. I've reservations on whether depending on a 'significant number' of people to raise objections is the best way to make the user name decision. At this point in time the crowd has been very clear it doesn't find your name a problem. And the two people who have said otherwise have been criticised rather sharply. IMO it's unrealistic to think many more are going to risk that sort of social opprobrium by raising further objection.

I've some experience in these matters and would estimate that ~ 10% of potential editors would find your user name objectional for the reasons I laid out. Im struggling to see how I could conclusively prove this with evidence you might accept. But I could provide various diffs & links to offwiki discussions & articles that might help illustrate the way certain personalities react to such inuendo, which might be enough to convince you that a rename would be in the interests of inclusiveness. For various reasons I'd only want to send this by email.

If you don't want me to send that no worries. It would take me some time to get the evidence together as have other things Im working on. And to be fair as a general rule I consider it much wiser to save time & just go with the crowd rather than have a deep dive into one persons contrarian arguments. FeydHuxtable (talk) 16:22, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi FeydHuxtable - thanks for your offer. I'd be very happy to receive such an e-mail, if you are willing to put it together - it would be food for thought. I know what you mean about the 'significant number' thing, it is a bit vague, and I also take the point about people not wanting to risk opprobrium by raising it. All I can do is say that, while I don't feel in a position to remove other people's comments from an RfA (I went as far as I felt I could on the talk page in asking that we draw a line under the discussion of Mr Ernie), I will certainly do that here if anyone starts any unpleasantness.

Can I put to you my rationales for not immediately saying 'OK, I'll change it'? If someone had raised it as an issue in my early days, I'd probably have done it without any thinking twice. I've spent quite a lot of time here now though, and I've got to know a lot of good people under this name. I know it's just an anonymous pseudonym, but I'm emotionally invested in it now, through the relationships I've built up with people, and the reputation I've built for myself. Nobody knows my real name, or what I look like - they just know the name. It's unsettling to think that I will in a sense be stepping away from that persona. I know that there are technical means that people would be able to use to link the account names - but a lot of people won't bother doing that, they'll just see a different username and won't ever make the connection.

There's also the fact that other people seem to like it - I've received a number of messages, in the section above and off-wiki, asking me not to change it - people know me by that name, they like seeing it around. So changing it will put those people at least through a period of cognitive dissonance.

And also - the stuff I've said about it is actually true, it really was what I went by amongst friends and colleagues when I made the account - I largely dropped it when I switched careers and moved to another town, but I still hear it when I occasionally meet up with old friends, and I've enjoyed being known by it again. It's not nice to be told that your actual name isn't allowed here, in case people might find it offensive.

So, while I'm not saying I refuse to change it, I hope you can see that I'm not finding it as simple as 'Oh yeah, sure, no problem' - I need to be persuaded that it is a problem serious enough to go through what will be an unsettling change. I'll read anything you send me, but I also want to hear whatever other people want to tell me. Please believe me when I say that I do want to do the decent thing, but I'm not sure yet that changing it is that thing.

Can I end with a couple of questions:

• Is it purely the word 'Girth' that bothers you, or is it the combination of Girth with Summit? People seem to be reading various different things into that - I think I've heard three different possible interpretations for it now.
• Would a change in signature satisfy your concerns, or would the fact that the current name still appearing in article histories and the like still be of concern to you?

Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 16:48, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

I would not have guessed there was a problem. But after reading the discussion, I typed "girth" to Google, and I immediately started seeing references to, umm, well, whatever. So perhaps other people's nicknames for things are different from the nicknames used by me and my acquaintances. So now, if I were choosing a name to be used in some system, I would shy away from using "girth" in that handle. Your call. Bruce leverett (talk) 17:12, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Bruce leverett, thanks for that, I appreciate your input. I'd be interested to hear whether, now you know how some people use the word, you think that it's potentially offensive, or just slightly eyebrow-raising. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 17:31, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Aside from the question of offensiveness, I wonder if it is a good idea to have a name that is a reference, however oblique or humorous, to your own physique. Like, TMI. But I'm saying this as someone who edits under his own name, so what do I know? I use an alias when playing a certain online game, and the alias is an old childhood nickname based on a mispronunciation of my name by a younger sibling. So I have thought about the question of what alias to use, but don't know the answer. To get back to your question, if I had just finished reading something in which "girth" was used as part of a sly euphemism, and I started working in Wikipedia and reading a comment by someone named "GirthSummit", I'd wonder what this guy had in mind. Is this a reference to something innocently funny in his life, or is it a reference to something like what I just read? I wouldn't know which. It would be distracting, but perhaps not fatally. Bruce leverett (talk) 18:07, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Bruce leverett, thanks for that. I should be clear, the link to my physique is only a joking one - it's not like I'm morbidly obese or anything, just a bit on the large side amongst other mountaineers and marathon runners. I take your point though that it's not really something that anyone needs to know about me - I'd never intended to spell the reasons behind the nickname out, but felt I had to given the connections that some people were making! I'll try to put something on my userpage explaining it in such a way as to avoid giving away too much information, and drawing extra attention to the issues that people have raised.

Just to add why I choose to edit under a pseudonym - I do a lot of counter vandalism work, and no doubt irritate a lot of fairly unpleasant people as a result. If I edited under my own name, they would very easily be able to find out who I actually am; I would prefer to avoid that for obvious reasons. Thanks again for your input. GirthSummit _(blether) 18:18, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

I regret not staying silent neutral now, though it is a bonus to encounter someone with such commitment to doing the right thing. Everything you say makes sense. Im not going to send the email now - there was always a chance you'd find some of it ridiculous. Even if you read the evidence the same way I do, it would just be creating a dilemma for you. While the minorities I have in mind are a concern, thats a cause I should be advancing away from Wikipedia. To answer your question, 'Girth' on its own is not a word I'd like to see as part of an admin's user name. 'Summit' acts as an intensifier, albeit a minor one. Anyhow, I no longer want you to rename. The level of consideration you've showed on this matter, which seems consistent with the concern you have for others in your talk page archives, now makes me think you're going to be an exceptional asset to the admin corps. By basic logic I should now withdraw my oppose. Hopefully no one will make me spell out why I'm not likely to do so. (I obviously would if I thought there was even a 0.0001% chance my vote would sway the outcome.) If you wanted to mitigate the offence to the small minority that might potentially be effected, maybe you could put a note on user page along the lines of "My user name is related to my former Peak bagging hobby. Apologies if any offence caused." And yes maybe you could change your sig to GS or G. Summit, though I guess there's a case for saying that would be more trouble than it's worth. FeydHuxtable (talk) 17:53, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

FeydHuxtable, thanks for these kind words. I meant what I said at the RfA - you must vote however feels right to you, and so there's no pressure from me to move. If you look at the section above, you'll see I was already considering putting a note on my userpage explaining the username as a possible way to tread the line - in the light of your comments, I think I'll go ahead and do that, I'll just have to think about how to word it in a manner that explains the name without actually drawing attention to the alternative meaning. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 18:00, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

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P.S. Just happened to notice the end of the previous section: this could almost be a continuation! And while we’re on coincidences, my first summer job was as a geological field assistant to an English graduate student whose research was seeking to reconstruct the forces affecting the thickness of coal-seams in the Rocky Mountain foothills by hiking around to take dip-&-strike measurements on outcrops and cuttings in the area. Although I didn’t understand the eigenvectors & whatnot he was working with, I found the stratigraphy fascinating; there’s some extreme folding around there, even inverting the strata in places—there’s a layer full of of bivalve shells that would make it obvious wherever it appeared, the halves lying concave side up. 02:00, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

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Please read Talk:Bakkah. The final four sections question the inclusion of the content that you restored, and nobody at talk has questioned the placement of {{synth}} on the content that you restored. After that, please read WP:IPHUMAN. 65.246.12.34 (talk) 12:21, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

OK, first off, I know that IPs are humans too. If you were to search through my contribs, you would find that I've engaged many collaborative discussions with people editing under IPs, thanked them for their work, and indeed I once took a user with an account through the WP:CVUA course explicitly because they had been reverting IPs far too aggressively - this isn't about your use of an IP. However - when someone an entire section of content from an article, which has sources attached to it, with the edit summary 'Not an Islamic topic', it does look a bit suspect. If your edit summary had been something along the lines of 'This appears to be synth, removing per talk page' I probably wouldn't have looked at it. Now that I have looked at the talk page, I'm seeing very minimal discussion, with the latest post being from early 2015. If I were in your position, I would attempt to get a new discussion going on the talk page, and if that doesn't work you could perhaps start a thread at Wikipedia:WikiProject Islam to see whether others agree with your assessment. Simply deleting a whole section seems extreme. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 12:32, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

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Bagging

Hi Girth ()

I was happy to hear that you are/were a bagger. I hope that you don't let being based in Englandshire hit your bagging too heavily. I did all bar seven of mine in a five year burst while well over 300 miles from the nearest Munro. How many have you got? Are you still chipping away? Will you still have time to work on Margaret once you are promoted to the lordly heights?

Gog the Mild (talk) 11:40, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Gog the Mild Cool - I'm only around the hundred mark, I've got the SMC guidebook on a shelf somewhere with them all ticked (with a W for winter ascents, naturally!). I've got to confess that it's been a while since I've been in the hills. My partner was never that enthusiastic about it, but I used to go up at the weekends with a group of friends from uni when I lived in Edinburgh. I'm not sure I'll ever finish them, the days when I would have been willing to tackle the In Pin might be behind me, but I should make more of an effort. Which ones have you got left to do?

I definitely want to continue working on MMG - I'm not as focussed as I should be with the whole RfA thing going on, but I'm determined to help see it through to FA! GirthSummit _(blether) 11:53, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Yeah. RL; it's a bugger. I had a thirty-year gap between my first seven and my eighth, so there is hope for you yet. (Ah, those winter ascents. Staggering off the hill in the dark, feeling completely shattered. Them were the days.) Gog the Mild (talk)

​ Something just occurred to me - doesn't look like we've got articles for all the Munros. They're all surely notable, per WP:GEOLAND (and WP:MAPOUTCOMES), and they must all be mentioned in various sources. Sections on terrain, geology, first ascents, routes up perhaps - and I bet we could find some lovely pictures. I might start a different kind of Munro bagging after we finish working on MMG, for a change from historic buildings. Fancy joining me some time? GirthSummit _(blether) 18:38, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

White Cliffs of Dover article

Hi there, I ran across your name at the Jyoti Singh page and find that you are both an English teacher and a geologist - and an Englishman to boot! It must be my lucky day because I have been wishing for this meeting for several weeks. I will explain: When I was little and America was fighting along with the British in WWII I would hear about the white cliffs of Dover and it always stuck with me. Perhaps it was the Vera Lynn song. My dad was fighting in the war and my aunt's son was killed and our own country was perhaps experiencing emotional intensity close to that of even the British people. Plus, I love geology and over the years have tried to get a little geology into the articles that I've worked on - see for instance my Minnehaha Park (Minneapolis) article.

Seeing that our White Cliffs of Dover article was so poorly done and missing so much information, I worked on it. I even got the help of a couple of Brits I know to help me polish it off. Then a few weeks ago a student added a "Climate change" section. In my experience students are very lazy and more often than not do poor work. But this student was different and as far as I can tell he (I think it's a "he") is only a high school kid. He used several refs and really worked on his assignment and I appreciated what he did for the article. That said, it is not very well-written and IMO there are several problems with it. On the other hand, I know he must be very proud of his work and I do believe that every WP article need not be "perfect" in every way. We are not expected to all be experts at what we write here. So I've only made very minor changes including combining it with the erosion information that I had in the article to what he added because as the author of most of the article I'm afraid that my criticism is an emotional reaction and is not justified. But I have been hoping that someone that is not emotionally connected to the article would review the section and make any changes they felt improved the article or leave it as it is if that is their preference. Sorry to go on for so long here but when emotions enter into a discussion it seems to take a little time to explain... Gandydancer (talk) 19:52, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Gandydancer, hi there, nice to meet you. First of all, I'd like to say: 'Englishman - how dare you!' I live in England, but I'm a Scotsman - and proud of it! Seriously though, I'll be happy to take a look at the article and give you my thoughts - I'll do it tomorrow, I'm in the pub on a mobile at the moment, not the best way to check refs. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 20:58, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Damn! I wish I'd thought of going to the pub around this point of my RfA, I'd have been much less stressed - perhaps we should submit it as an amendment to the RfA candidates' guide? ;) Nosebagbear (talk)

​ Good idea - maybe we could propose a drinking game, based around supports and opposes that come in while you're there? Seriously, everyone has been very generous, the whole thing has been a lot less stressful than I was expecting. :) GirthSummit _(blether) 07:58, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

LOL, all that I know about English men is "fe fi fo fum, I smell the blood of an English man" from way back when I grew scarlet runner beans and told my little daughters that they were Jack's magic beans. So how was I to know that you wear those cute little skirts? Gandydancer (talk) 21:22, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Gandydancer Hi again - I took a look, and I can see what you mean - there are some issues with the content there. I don't think there's any reason not to make improvements to their work - I think that's a good way for people to learn actually, to see what changes other people to make that you've written even better - you could even leave a note on their talk page explaining why you've made the changes - I see that you already reached out to them, which was a nice touch. Some thoughts about what I think needs changing...

• The sourcing isn't great. They're using newspaper reports about studies rather than going direct to the studies - for example, the Washington Post article they've cited actually contains a link to the PNAS paper - we should be citing that directly, it would be much more reliable for the subject matter. I'd also lose the ref bomb at the end of the second paragraph.
• The text is self-contradictory - the first paragraph ascribes the increase in the rate of erosion to the construction of seawalls and groynes, and increased severity of storms; the second paragraph says it's due to ocean acidification; the third paragraph introduces the idea that it's due to sea level rise.
• It's also pretty vague in places - eg: ...eroding ten times faster than they did before. - what does 'before' mean in this context? Presumably the rate of erosion has varied greatly over their history. Why are coccolithophore shells described as unusual in having calcium carbonate shells?
• It's full of editorialising and overblown language, like 'iconic cliffs', 'If the management of the beaches continues to be done poorly', 'The only way this can be solved.... Overall, it's teetering on the brink of becoming persuasive rather than informative writing.
• There are other niggly things I would quibble with - 'decrease' is an awkward word to use for pH (since a lower number actually indicates an increase in the concentration of hydrogen ions), I'd probably reword this to just talk about the acidification of seawater, which we could then link to. I don't think we should be measuring land in numbers of football pitches - pretty standard journalistically, but hectares, square metres or whatever would be more encyclopedic. Convert templates would be useful for the measurements - I expect that the original research on the rates of erosion would actually use mm or cm per year, which we should be giving as the main units and converting into inches (for US readers :P).

So, overall - yeah, I would edit this pretty heavily. I note that the student doesn't appear to have edited some making these changes - if they're watching the page, they'll learn something from your changes, but they may simply have moved on and not be looking at it. Hope that's helpful, cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 08:41, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

I'm really grateful for your suggestions as this was similar to my thoughts. It really is quite jumbled. I see that you are about to become an admin and I'm wondering if you will be quite busy for awhile? I was hoping that you would have time to do the main part of the rewrite though I'd like to give out a few of my ideas as well. Let me know and we can move the discussion to the talk page.  Gandydancer (talk) 03:42, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Gandydancer I'd like to work on this with you, and I'm hoping not to allow admin work to get too much in the way of content work. However, at the moment I'm working on another article with another couple of editors, that I'm hoping will become my first FA, so I'm not sure when I'd be able to do much on this. If you want to work on the text, I'd be happy to review and give thoughts? Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 06:48, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

OK, I will (hesitantly) proceed. It will be difficult for me because I don't want to hurt this youngster's feelings - on the other hand I can just grit my teeth and remember that I have seen many an addition written by a college kid for credit that was no better. Or an adult, as far as that goes. So maybe it is not actually a youngster after all. That is what I will hope for because I see no way to re-write it other than to completely re-do the whole thing. Do you mind if I move your suggestions to the talk page, or would you mind doing it yourself? Gandydancer (talk) 18:54, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Gandydancer, please go ahead and move them - probably best if you do it, you could add some of your own comments at the same time explaining what you're going to do. Feel free to paraphrase me however you like to avoid hurting the student's feelings - I put the above comments in terms that I wouldn't use if I thought the author was going to read them! Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 18:59, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

user name

See girth - which is what first came to mind for this cowgirl. My search for girth on Commons will forever haunt me.
The discussion at RfA was hatted, so I had no choice but to come here. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 23:39, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
Why is the horse looking away like that? And where is the cowgirl's right hand?! – Levivich 15:38, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Check out the file name - where are Beavis and Butthead when you need them? GirthSummit _(blether) 07:18, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Hey, Girth! I totally get having gotten attached to your user name, and I'm not sure I'd take the comments too seriously. I think Mr. Ernie's in the US, as am I; snickering at the word girth may be just a US thing. --valereee (talk) 17:43, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

• (UK here), while I obviously recognised the point, I don't think there's any legitimate reason to change - it's not like the word is primarily a sexual reference. That's even more so with summit added - afaik, any reference being drawn from the entirety of "Girth Summit" is being self-generated, i.e. there isn't a current slang phrasing of the whole thing. Please don't change it Nosebagbear (talk) 17:47, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

​, ​ Thanks both for your thoughts. I'll see whether anyone else has anything to say, but I'm leaning towards just leaving it, or maybe putting some kind of explanatory statement on my user page (although I can't quite think yet how I would do that without drawing attention 'problem', which would sort of defeat the purpose!) Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 18:25, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

As an immature person of both foul mouth and foul mind, I can assure you that your username does not evoke anything beyond the top of a wide mountain. There's no reason to penalize yourself over it. – Levivich 20:03, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Levivich, your self-description made me laugh but your use of “penalize” in this instance made homonyms come to mind. Then I thought it might have been better to say “beat yourself up over it” and at that point, I decided it’s best to just stop thinking...or it’s possible I wasn’t thinking from the get-go. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 12:10, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

I wasn't going to comment as there is no real need, but Atsme thanks for the laugh. I honestly don't think that the username is an issue as well. Reading the humourous responses (including your side image description, Atsme) have been great for a laugh though. I may never look at saddles again and now I know for sure what to not/ever search on commons. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 17:17, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Please don't cave in and change your name just because a couple of editors obsess over a non-issue. Seriously, are we going to start reporting users such as DickfromLA? Sure, I can imagine a libidinous teenager (or Eric Cartman) snickering at your username ("ha ha ha, he's called Girth and girth is talking about your wiener") the same way he can't hear anyone talk about Uranus without giggling. But an actual mature adult finding serious fault with your username? I don't see it happening. Pichpich (talk) 16:03, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

It's not like your username contains "moist". Cabayi (talk) 16:08, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

• I personally always got a chuckle at "Feyd Huxtable", assuming it was a deliberate contrasts between two fictional characters: the amoral sociopath Feyd Rautha and the thoroughly wholesome Clifford Huxtable, and of course there's a whole other layer to the irony in recent years that makes it arguably far more offensive than the Beavis-and-Buthhead level of alleged "dirty words" in your name. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:57, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

• Right now our mean 6th grade teacher walks into the room and says "STOP THAT LAUGHING THIS INSTANT" Gandydancer (talk) 20:56, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

• There's actual evidence that even those who don't like you view girth as a general descriptor - for example, in this edit about your fall from grace "Girth is a giant, terrifying beast trapped waist-deep in the ice, fixed and suffering. " ;) Nosebagbear (talk) 12:55, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Wikipedia is safer with your watchful eye

Whispyhistory (talk) 14:14, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

God Jehovah defines " infinite"

Your knowledge lacks .See you in the new system. Natasha — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahsatanjehovahjesus (talk • contribs) 09:48, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Ahsatanjehovahjesus, I don't really know what you mean, either here or in your edit to the article. Let me make it simple - out articles aren't places for you to make religious declarations, or statements of faith. Please keep your editing neutral and factual. Thanks GirthSummit _(blether) 10:14, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Sa Re Ga Ma Pa L'il Champs 2017

RE - [2] This has been something that's been going on for well over a year now. There are some discussions on the talk page, zero participation from the IP. Some chance this is Piyoush on an IP. The page has been semi'd multiple times in the past over this, sometimes for decent lengths. The last request was denied because there wasn't enough recent edits, it's kicked up enough, but if admins won't protect, the only option is to have the IP's blocked until they hop. The other option is to just drop it off my watchlist and let the IP vandalize the page by removing people that actually participated and actually won. Ravensfire (talk) 15:52, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Ravensfire, OK, I see why you're frustrated - I didn't realise it had been going on for so long. My problem was that the last edit was simply to change the word 'Runner-up' to 'Finalist' in a few places, with an edit summary that explained their rationale - I didn't see that as vandalism, not something I could justifiably block an IP from editing for. You might consider raising a case at ANI, where you could present the most egregious diffs, and say why you think it's all one person - someone who is better at IP ranges than I am might be willing to take a closer look, and either protect or apply some blocks. GirthSummit _(blether) 16:03, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Belated congratulations

I have been offline for most of the month so I offer belated congratulations on your successful RFA. I am sorry I was offline for your entire RFA and could not register my support. I had a somewhat involuntary (busy on real life matters, including a few unexpected ones) hiatus. You did just fine without another support vote and I am sure you will be a great administrator. Donner60 (talk) 22:18, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Hey Donner60, thanks, and no worries - it's great to have your support, at any time! GirthSummit _(blether) 22:38, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

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Congratulations

I have closed your request for adminship as successful. Congratulations for both your successful nomination and for your place on WP:RFX200 - very impressive! As always, the administrators' reading list is worth reading and the new admin help pages are most certainly available if you feel that you might require some practice with the tools in a safe environment prior to applying them elsewhere on the project. Good luck! Worm^TT(talk) 07:33, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Worm That Turned, thanks - I'll get started on my new reading list! GirthSummit _(blether) 08:56, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

• Congratulations! -- CptViraj (📧) 07:38, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

CptViraj Thanks! I appreciate your support. GirthSummit _(blether) 09:00, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

• Congratulations! — what have you gotten yourself into?!!! ^Atsme _Talk 📧 07:52, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Atsme - for the support, and for the laughs! GirthSummit _(blether) 09:00, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

• Congratulations Girth, wish you all the best with the admin tools. Andrew Base (talk) 07:59, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Andrew Base, I've got a lot of learning to do, that's for sure. GirthSummit _(blether) 09:00, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

• Congratulations! WP:AIV is that way—better get to work! Mz7 (talk) 08:15, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Cheers Mz7 - your support throughout this process has been great, thank you especially for your words in your nomination statement. I'll toddle over and see what's doing at AIV then... GirthSummit _(blether) 09:00, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Toddle? Really? I think with the kind of numbers you put up in that RfA - you can STRUT :) — Ched (talk) 15:07, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

• Congratulations! Well deserved and W is fortunate to have you. Whispyhistory (talk) 09:01, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Whispyhistory - looking forward to working with you again in the future. GirthSummit _(blether) 09:04, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

• Congrats - welcome to the Mop Corps (October chapter)! I'm sure I'll be seeing you around, especially in RFPP and AfD. Nosebagbear (talk) 12:44, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

  Nosebagbear, thanks - yep, we'll be seeing each other! GirthSummit _(blether) 12:45, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

• One of the greater, and funnier, RfAs I've read! Good fortune to you! P. I. Ellsworth, ed. ^put'r there 14:20, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Paine (can I call you that?) - I found your support particularly supportive!

Pleasure! and you can call me anything, just don't call me late for dinner. I too approach the summit of girth, and not in a "lurid" way. Such a silly reason to oppose an RfA in this day and age. As Gilda Radner was known to often say, "It's always something!" P. I. Ellsworth, ed. ^put'r there 06:14, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

• Glad to see this successfully completed while I was away doing mundane real world business. Congratulations. I have no doubts that you will be an asset to the admin team. SusunW (talk) 14:23, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

SusunW Thanks - that means a lot to me. Sorry this has been a bit of a distraction from MMG - I am going to get my head back into that ASAP. Just so you know, I got an e-mail back from the Aberlour people, they've promised to have a look for some pictures and to ask around about any additional sources they might be able to suggest, but it might take a while - apparently they're recruiting a new archivist, so we would be looking at the end of the year before they can get onto this. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 14:40, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

The beauty of WP is there is no time limit. Because of personal issues, it took me 10 months to get the Inter-Allied Women's Conference to the nomination stage for FA. We'll get it done. I do think you'll enjoy the thesis on Orange Vale, as it talks about MMG and Alexander and gives a good overview of the estate and why Donaldson's estate was such a mess to sort out. SusunW (talk) 15:00, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

SusunW, sounds great - I'll look at that one first :) GirthSummit _(blether) 15:02, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

• Congrats from me as well GS. One of the smoothest RfA runs I've seen. I'm pretty sure you'll do very well. Cheers. — Ched (talk) 15:03, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

  Ched, thanks Ched - yes, it went better than I could have hoped. Now I've got to get used to what all these new buttons do - plenty of reading ahead... GirthSummit _(blether) 15:07, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

• Congrats! SQL^{Query me!} 15:11, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

SQL, Thanks! Appreciate your support. GirthSummit _(blether) 15:13, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

• Good luck with your new mop! – bradv🍁 15:21, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Bradv, thanks! I've been trying it out a bit today - seems pretty effective, I'll try not to break anything with it! GirthSummit _(blether) 15:24, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

• @Girth Summit: Congratulations on your successful RfA. You will do great. Don't take the username concern so personally, i've been there as well. AmericanAir88^(talk) 17:09, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

  AmericanAir88, thanks for dropping by! Yes, I recall you getting hauled over the coals a lot worse than I did - it doesn't feel good when you're under scrutiny like that. Well done on keeping your chin up and carrying on. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 17:14, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

• Congrats. Foxnpichu (talk) 18:33, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

  Foxnpichu, thanks! Really appreciate your support. GirthSummit _(blether) 20:16, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

• I also wanted to offer my congratulations. I was pleasantly surprised to find out it was you when I clicked on the watchlist notification. Clovermoss (talk) 23:23, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

  Clovermoss, thanks Clovermoss - yes, I didn't want to tell you in advance that I was running, didn't want to be accused of convassing. Thanks for your support, it's appreciated. I'll go and look at your CVUA page now, I think you pinged me from there but I've been getting so many notifications in the last few days it's hard to keep up! GirthSummit _(blether) 12:51, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

• Congratulations, well deserved! --rogerd (talk) 01:36, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

  Rogerd, cheers, much appreciated! GirthSummit _(blether) 12:51, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

That goes double for me! - Ret.Prof (talk) 13:55, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

That goes double for me! - Ret.Prof (talk) 13:57, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Ret.Prof Ret.Prof TThhaannkkss!! GirthSummit _(blether) 13:59, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

• Felicitations and welcome to the team. -Ad Orientem (talk) 05:27, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

  Ad Orientem, thanks - I've seen you around a lot since I got started on this site, I was very grateful for your support. GirthSummit _(blether) 12:52, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Trainer

Hey Girth, I realise that I am probably jumping steps but I was thinking of becoming a CVUA trainer since there are only two active trainers in CVUA. I think I have mastered all the species in the counter vandalism area. Do you think I should become a trainer?Andrew Base (talk) 06:03, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Andrew Base, hi again. If I'm honest with you, I think you should build up more experience before doing that. When I first started counter vandalism training, I had something like 10,000 edits, almost all of them in the counter vandalism area. That had allowed me to encounter lots of different kinds of situation, which have come in useful when offering advice to my students, and former students, when they have come across similar things. Don't rush into something like this - your NPP training should be your focus at the moment, and then you should spend time building up experience in both areas before offering to train others. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 06:29, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi again Girth, I was again thinking of becoming a CVUA trainer, I know there were issues about me at NPPSchool and inappropriate use of NPR and AFC rights but there was no issues regarding counter vandalism and about my use of rollback. I know I have only about 2,400 edits but when I was viewing the list of old CVUA trainers I saw that Hummerrocket became a trainer when he had about 2,500 edits. And I would like to help out editors who are interested in counter vandalism and of course by training others my knowledge will also increase. Let me know what you think. Thanks. Andrew Base (talk) 10:48, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Andrew Base, hi Andrew - so, I just had a look at your AIV stats, your UAA stats and your CSD log. The CSD log looks good, but I think 8 reports to AIV might be a little on the light side; how about revdel, how many times have you requested that, and how many of them have been accepted? To be honest, I'm leaning towards suggesting you keep building up experience at this stage, rather than getting into training others, it's not something you should rush into, but I'm not in a position to tell you what to do - CVUA doesn't have an official coordinator, and it's true that it would be good to have additional trainers, especially in your time zone. I haven't explored Hummerrocket's contributions extensively, perhaps it would be worth you reaching out to them to discuss how they got on with training? GirthSummit _(blether) 14:31, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Girth, all of my AIV and UAA reports are not in my logs, I think have over 20 AIV and UAA reports. Andrew Base (talk) 14:53, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Andrew Base, ah, OK - what about revdel, how much experience have you had with that? GirthSummit _(blether) 14:55, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Girth Summit, I am nt an expert an copyvio revdel so I hardly made any copyvio requests. However I have significant experience in oversight requests, I've made requests for suppression and all of the edits have been suppressed, none of my oversight requests were denied. Andrew Base (talk) 17:06, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Andrew Base, OK, so that sounds promising - sounds like you're hitting the right notes there. I'm still a little unsure about recommending that you do this, just because of your tenure. You're racking up edits quickly, but you've only really been doing this a couple of months. As I said, I can't tell you what to do and what not to do, all I can do is give you advice, which is to keep doing what you're doing for a couple more months, and maybe think about starting to offer training in the new year. People will respect you more for waiting, and building up experience, than for jumping into things super-quickly. There are plenty of things you can be getting more familiar with - how much have you used Stiki, for example? Have you seen the leader board? It's a fun way to track your progress. I'm something like #83 - you could try to get ahead of me! The more you do this, the more situations you will find yourself in, and the better placed you will be to advise your students when they get into them. That's my advice, anyway - what you do is up to you, naturally. GirthSummit _(blether) 17:15, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Girth Summit, sorry I disobeyed you by adding myself as a CVUA trainer, hope you don't mind, the main reason I joined as a trainer because there are very less no. of trainers currently in the CVUA and as you said I also felt that a trainer was required in my time zone. I haven't got any students yet but I decided to make a few changes to my training methods from the tasks which you and I went through. The main change I was thinking of making was adding the progress test and add a part 6 in the final exam where I would ask my students to find some vandalism and good faith edits, report few vandals to AIV, few username violations to UAA, request the protection of few articles and tag few pages for CSD. I found these tasks at User:Callanecc/CVUA/Tasks, do you suggest I make these changes in my training tasks. Thanks. Andrew Base (talk) 17:22, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

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Congraturations and thanks

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		Congratulations and thanks for all you did and will do in support to users dealing with complicated situations. No need to add further details, you know very well how great was your support in a moment when it was needed, and you also know that this is not such a widespread quality. DoebLoggs (talk) 08:50, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks DoebLoggs, if there's ever anything more I can do, you know where I am. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 13:24, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Belated Congrats

Wow... A short wikibreak, and you miss a ton. Congrats on the success in RfA, Girth! James-the-Charizard (talk to me!) (contribs) 13:36, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

James-the-Charizard, thanks - and sorry for my own belated response! Parents consultations all this week, twelve hour days, not much chance to log in here... Will be back to normal service from next week, fingers crossed... GirthSummit _(blether) 13:23, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

It's all good, life can be a jerk sometimes... I'm hope one day I can get the administrative tools too, by keeping up my own strong points and going into more important areas. James-the-Charizard (talk to me!) (contribs) 13:32, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Ping?

Hi! I answered the CVUA question a couple days back and I pinged you, but I don't know if it worked. It's totally fine if you're busy and don't have time to answer, I was just making sure you knew about it. :) Puddleglum2.0👌 22:04, 31 October 2019 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Puddleglum2.0 (talk • contribs)

Puddleglum2.0 Hi - odd, I didn't get the ping. I'll take a look later today, or tomorrow at the latest, and give you some feedback - I'll see whether I can work out what went wrong with the ping too. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 07:13, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, I sign my posts with the four tildes (Puddleglum2.0👌 01:13, 2 November 2019 (UTC)). I don't know why it doesn't work... I will also be looking in to it. Thanks! Puddleglum2.0👌 01:13, 2 November 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Puddleglum2.0 (talk • contribs)

Puddleglum2.0 Perhaps the problem is with the signature then - as you can see, SineBot didn't think you signed either. Perhaps it's due to the lack of any links to your userpage / talkpage - take a look at the code here: Puddleglum2.0👌(talk) - something like that is normally included in a signature to allow people to get to your talk page easily - you might try changing your sig to something like that? Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 09:11, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

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New Page Review newsletter November 2019

Hello Girth Summit,

This newsletter comes a little earlier than usual because the backlog is rising again and the holidays are coming very soon.

Getting the queue to 0

There are now 814 holders of the New Page Reviewer flag! Most of you requested the user right to be able to do something about the huge backlog but it's still roughly less than 10% doing 90% of the work. Now it's time for action.
Exactly one year ago there were 'only' 3,650 unreviewed articles, now we will soon be approaching 7,000 despite the growing number of requests for the NPR user right. If each reviewer soon does only 2 reviews a day over five days, the backlog will be down to zero and the daily input can then be processed by every reviewer doing only 1 review every 2 days - that's only a few minutes work on the bus on the way to the office or to class! Let's get this over and done with in time to relax for the holidays.
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This month's refresher course

Paid editing is still causing headaches for even our most experienced reviewers: This official Wikipedia article will be an eye-opener to anyone who joined Wikipedia or obtained the NPR right since 2015. See The Hallmarks to know exactly what to look for and take time to examine all the sources.

Tools

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Vandalism?

Checking to be safe... Is this edit to my talk page vandalism? [3] James-the-Charizard (talk to me!) (contribs) 21:39, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

James-the-Charizard, Yes, probably. I'm on mobile, so haven't checked through the history in detail, but assuming their other edits were vandalism (you know how to judge that), then comments on your talk page are trolling, which amounts to the same thing. Feel free to revert and ignore per WP:DENY. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 22:12, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Funny enough, as I posted that, he blanked that comment and was blocked earlier as WP:NOTHERE. Certainly applied the DENY part on my side. James-the-Charizard (talk to me!) (contribs) 22:14, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Bitcoin Cash

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Valid sources indicate that Cyrus is the same as Zul Qarn

I have made a promise and cited sources indicating that Cyrus the Great is the same as Zul Qarn, so I urge you to revert to the previous edition that deleted Cyrus the Great from Zul Qarnain in English because the sources are credible, now that the sources Valid Please return the name of Cyrus to the English language page. Zulqarnain in connection with Cyrus the Great because you deleted the name of Cyrus the Great from Zulqarnain page because it had no credible source

Azad, Abul Kalam (1990). India's Maulana Abul Kalam Azad. Indian Council for Cultural Relations.

Ball, Warwick (2002). Rome in the East: The Transformation of an Empire. Routledge. ISBN 9781134823871.

Berberian, Manuel (2014). Earthquakes and Coseismic Surface Faulting on the Iranian Plateau. Elsevier. ISBN 978-0444632975.

Bietenholz, Peter G. (1994). Historia and fabula: myths and legends in historical thought from antiquity to the modern age. Brill. ISBN 978-9004100633.

Cook, David (2005). Contemporary Muslim Apocalyptic Literature. Syracuse University Press. ISBN 9780815630586.

Wasserstrom, Steven M. (2014). Between Muslim and Jew: The Problem of Symbiosis Under Early Islam. Princeton University Press. ISBN 9781400864133.

Wheeler, Brannon M. (2013). Moses in the Qur'an and Islamic Exegesis. Routledge. ISBN 9781136128905.

Muhammad Husayn Tabatabai Al-Mizan fi Tafsir al-Qur'an (Tafsir al-Mizan was translated into English by author and renowned Shia preacher Syed Saeed Akhtar Rizvi)

Authentic Persian Resources

پورپیران، عباس (دی ۱۳۸۴)، «نگرشی بر مقدمه کوروش کبیر (ذوالقرنین)»، مجله گزارش (۱۷۰)

یزدان‌پرست، حمید (۱۳۸۶)، ««ذوالقرنین» یا «کوروش» در متون مذهبی (۲)»، مجله گزارش (۲۴۳ و ۲۴۴)

ذوالقرنین یا کوروش در متون اسلامی، مجله دریای پارس

کوروش کبیر یا ذوالقرنین، ابوالکلام آزاد ترجمه و مقدمه: دکتر محمدابراهیم باستانی پاریزی، نشر کورش، تهران ۱۳۷۵

Authentic Arabic sources

کتاب شناخت: کوروش کبیر، نوشته نویسنده عرب صابر صالح زغلول کورش الأکبر «مؤسس الدولة الفارسیة وأبو إیران؛ حیاته و فتوحاته وهل هو ذوالقرنین»

الاسرائیلیات و الموضوعات فی کتب التفاسیر قدیما و حدیثا تألیف سید یوسف محمود ابو عزیز، ص: ۲۵۶ حدیث نبوی کوروس ملک فارس Reza235 (talk) 05:41, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Reza235, I'm not aware that I have ever edited the Zularnain page (Dhul-Qarnayn). I see that you are editing it, and appear to be in conflict with a couple of other users there. I'd advise you to engage with editors on the talk page there and discuss the matter with them. GirthSummit _(blether) 07:39, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Girth Summit Yes, of course, I sent the resources to some and then edited them to prove them that the content is valid

Good Proposal

Good job on the TBan proposal - it's the first most obvious step. I have no idea what will follow, but I do think your proposal was definitely a needed post in the right direction. — Ched (talk) 23:01, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Ched, thanks. It seemed like something we could all agree on, as a baseline. If more is needed, I'm not against it. GirthSummit _(blether) 23:47, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Well, I think the best sysops have this little voice in the back of their head say "should I have gone a bit more lenient"? "Should I have been a bit more restrictive"? Especially early on with the buttons, there tends to be a ... "I hope I'm doing the right thing" feeling. YOU are. (and I think saying so should be more common) I'm really glad you're an admin now. TY — Ched (talk) 23:55, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Ched, thanks! That means a lot to me (blushes) GirthSummit _(blether) 07:40, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Odd edits

HI...I just reverted an edit on Christopher Irvine (physician) and noticed other odd edits by same user. Are you able to check? Thank you. Whispyhistory (talk) 09:13, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Whispyhistory, hi there. Yes, some very odd edits there. Some might have been legit, if unsourced, but some were obvious trolling. I've reverted and given a final warning - let me know if you see them continuing with this and I'll put a stop to it. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 10:07, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Congratulations

I missed your RFA and I would have supported it! Congratulations by the way. Warm Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 08:29, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

ZI Jony, thanks, and no worries, we can't all be active all of the time. Good to see you back. GirthSummit _(blether) 10:08, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Eucalyptus leprophloia

Could you please take a look at the edit warring going on at Eucalyptus leprophloia? Hughesdarren (talk) 10:59, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Hughesdarren, hi. I see that the page has been fully protected already; I'd probably have hesitated to take admin action myself, since I've had a similar disagreement with one of the editors involved myself, but I think protection and the advice to discuss was appropriate. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 13:21, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Cheers thanks for taking a look. Hughesdarren (talk) 10:09, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

CVU Student

Hello Girth Summit. I am a newcomer to Wikipedia, so I read many policies about anti-vandalism, and was very interested in helping, but I am not experienced, as I am used to edit Wikiquote. Would you mind helping me on this? Thank you. Josephine W. (talk) 00:45, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Josephine W., hi there. I have a couple of students on the go at the moment, so might not be able to devote a huge amount of time to you, but if you are happy to go slowly then I'll be glad to take you through the course. I'll set up a training page soon and ping you from there. Thanks for offering to help out! GirthSummit _(blether) 10:10, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello again, sorry to keep you waiting that long. I am happy to go slowly, as I also do not have a lot of time everyday, but this week I am spare at 4:00 to 11:00 UTC. Josephine W. (talk) 23:46, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Vandal?

Hi! I was reverting some vandalism, and I came across this IP (User talk:209.66.204.194), who has engaged in very disruptive editing in the past. Is the correct approach to block the IP again, because it made this edit to Nat Turner [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nat_Turner&type=revision&diff=924776636&oldid=924708643&diffmode=source)? nevermind, I just realized that Twinkle has that option. Thanks though! Puddleglum2.0👌(talk) 21:54, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hey, Girth. Is User:Aaditya dubey spam? Thank you. Josephine W. (talk) 05:22, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Josephine W., hi here - I had a quick look, and I agree it seemed pretty self-promotional. We wouldn't normally label it SPAM exactly, it was more like 'misuse of a user page as a free web host', which would be tagged with WP:U5. It's been deleted now, so nothing for you to do about it. We will cover this in the CVUA training in more depth - I haven't forgotten, I've just been snowed under this week. Hopefully I'll be able to create your page this evening (UK time), or at the latest it will be at the weekend. cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 10:27, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, even though I think I will not have time tomorrow Chinese time (That is this night UK time). Blessings. ~ Josephine W. ☮ Talk to Me ☮ Email Me 10:31, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Josephine W., no problem - the training page isn't something we need to be online at the same time for - I'll post some links to readings, tasks and questions, and you respond in your own time. I'll explain it all on the page. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 10:35, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

So brief introductions of the user in the userspace are criteria U5? Blessings. ~ Josephine W. ☮ Talk to Me ☮ Email Me 10:43, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Josephine W., no - brief intoductions to the user are exactly what user pages are for! The use page you linked to however could not have been described as a brief introduction - it was more like a promotional biography of somebody, mentioning their YouTube videos etc., and it wasn't clear that the person being described was actually the owner of the account (it was described as an autobiography, which would imply it was written by the subject, but it was written in the third person, suggesting it's about somebody else). It was clearly not about their activities onwiki, and looked like it would be more suitable for a blog or Facebook page or something. You can read more about WP:U5 (and the related but separate WP:G11) by following the links. GirthSummit _(blether) 17:14, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Windows 98

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Please comment on Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard

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Trilion Quality Systems (Help Me)

Hi Girth,

My name is Ben Eisdorfer back in July I tried to create a Wikipedia page about Trilion Quality System. I work as a marketing coordinator for this small company. The page ended up being taken down I still am hoping to get a page up about the company. I am now thinking if I just try to publish the first paragraph the page might be accepted. Please let me know if you would like me to send over the Trilion Quality systems page that was taken down. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you so much for your time.

Many thanks, (Beneisdorfer (talk) 15:46, 12 November 2019 (UTC))

Beneisdorfer, hi, and thanks for reaching out. You've been very clear about your relationship with the subject, thank you for that. Please confirm that you have read and understood WP:COI and WP:PAID, and that you have taken the necessary steps on your userpage, then I'll look into your request. GirthSummit _(blether) 15:57, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi Girth,

I believe I have taken the appropriate steps on my userpage. Thank you for providing me with that information.

Many thanks, (Beneisdorfer (talk) 18:01, 12 November 2019 (UTC))

Beneisdorfer, no problem, thanks for making the necessary declaration. So, I've read through the circumstances under which the page was deleted (sorry, I do a lot of new page reviewing, I don't remember every page I nominate for deletion), and I've reviewed the deleted content. The page was deleted because it was determined that the company was not notable - that is, it did not pass our notability guidelines documented at WP:NCORP. Unless you can get better sourcing, no article, not matter how short or how long, will be permitted to exist - just publishing the first paragraph of the previous version of the article won't help, you need to identify multiple, independent, secondary sources which give the company significant coverage. WP:CORPDEPTH (a specific section of NCORP) gives examples of what is, and is not, suitable. If you can find some sources along these lines, you should consider writing a draft article, supported by the best sources you can find. One last hint - two or three good refs are better than a hundred poor-quality references; indeed, good refs sometimes get hidden amongst bad refs, and overlooked. Your goal is to establish the company's notability - it just takes a few refs to do that, but they need to be good ones. Good luck. GirthSummit _(blether) 19:31, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

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SWViewer

Maybe add m:SWViewer to your CVUA course? It is a great tool for reverting cross-wiki vandalism as well as local. It even works on mobile! Masum Reza^📞 04:49, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Masumrezarock100, hi - I haven't come across that tool, I'll take a look at it. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 10:58, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your contribution !

Hi Girth, I saw that you are contributing on the Gucci Wikipage, wondering if you will be interested in collaborating with me on improving the APM Monaco article. Please let me know, thank you! Ada Wan —Preceding undated comment added 08:30, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Ada Wan, hi. I've only ever edited the Gucci page as part of my counter-vandalism activities - I have no particular interest in fashion houses. My very general advice would be to try to identify more substantial sources - I clicked on a few, and they weren't really inspiring, they are mostly very short or they read like puff pieces. Are there any serious reviews of their work by recognised experts? Be careful though - you must not edit the page directly, you should restrict yourself to making edit requests on the talk page. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 19:32, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Girth Summit,hi thank you very much for your advice. I will make a edit request on the talk page. Thank you once again for your suggestion.Ada Wan

Want training in Vandalism

Hi sir, @Girth Summit: I have a keen interest in stopping constant vandalism in Wikipedia. I will try to learn alot from you, though it seems a tough task to detect vandalism. Rocky 734 (talk) 02:22, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Rocky 734, hi, and thanks for offering to help counter vandalism. I've got a few trainees on the go at the moment, but some of them are not very active so I think I could make time for you, provided you don't mind going slowly and accepting that there might be a bit of a delay from time to time before I can give you feedback. I'll create a training page for you and ping you from there. GirthSummit _(blether) 12:32, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

@Girth Summit: No problem sir, Thank you sir for your assistance. Rocky 734 (talk) 13:20, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

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Grace Waterhouse

Thanks! TelosCricket (talk) 15:25, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

TelosCricket, no worries - most of the articles I come across doing NPP are way less interesting, that one was a pleasure to review! GirthSummit _(blether) 15:39, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

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Thanks

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		Puddleglum2.0 Have a talk? 20:12, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your amazing work training me! I really appreciate it. Puddleglum2.0 ^{Have a talk?} 20:15, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Puddleglum2.0, Cheers! you're welcome - I'm glad you found it useful. Happy patrolling! GirthSummit _(blether) 20:20, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

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Hello Again

Hi. I was wondering if you could consider collaborating on a GA. I would like to get the ropes of GA work, and your my go-to user now to get help from. :) Its totally fine if your too busy, I understand, I just want to get the feel for how to work on a GA. If you have recommendations of someone else to get help from, I would do that if it's a better option. I know all the criteria for a GA, but still not quite sure how to apply that. Thanks for considering this, Yours - Puddleglum2.0 ^{Have a talk?} 00:54, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Puddleglum2.0, hi. I'd like to do this with you at some point, but at the moment I'm not sure I have the time. I'm juggling a number of other CVUA trainees, I'm still spending some time getting used to the admin tools, and with what time I have left I'm working on one of my existing GAs with a view to getting it to FA status with another editor; after I've finished that, I'm planning to collaborate with a different editor to get an article about a church we wrote together up to GA. So, I'm backlogged! However, I'd if you want to see how the process works, take a look at the talk pages of my GAs about buildings - they're listed on my user page - you'll see the sorts of things reviewers suggest, and what I did to fix them. Then, if you identify an article you want to work on, let me know and I'll take a quick look, and then put it on the end of my 'to do' list. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 07:56, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Wow! OK, thats fine. I hope you do end up getting that FA! Yours - Puddleglum2.0 ^{Have a talk?} 15:21, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

(Another) Question

Sorry it may seem like I am bugging you, but I have a Counter Vandalism related question. I was reverting some vandals and I come across JackintheBox who was also reverting vandalism. He seems like an extremely experienced editor who has been around for 3 years, but isn't the name "JackintheBox" a username policy violation? (I don't know if it's in the U.K., but Jack in the Box is a large fast food chain in the U.S.) Thank you, Puddleglum2.0 ^{Have a talk?} 02:13, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

@Puddleglum2.0: Hi, Puddleglum! As stated on my user page, my username 'JackintheBox' is derived from the toy, jack-in-the-box, and is also my nickname. When I selected this to be my Wikipedia username, I was not even aware of the eponymous American food chain! (As you can see here, I've only made 3 edits to that article, and all are minor formatting edits) Regards, JACKINTHEBOX • ^TALK 03:06, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

""@JackintheBox: Hahaha, I see. I didn't think it was anything bad, I was just curious. Thank you for clearing that up, I guess I should have just asked you on your talk page, but hey, whatever. I just saw your name pop up when I was reverting vandalism and I was curious. Thank you, Puddleglum2.0 ^{Have a talk?} 04:45, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Puddleglum2.0, hi there - you're not pestering me, your welcome any time. I can see what you mean about Jackinthebox's username, but as they have explained, the company is named after a toy, and his being also named after the toy seemed more likely to me. Certainly, I was vaguely aware that it was also the name of a fast food chain, but it's the toy that comes to my mind when I hear the phrase. As someone whose username raised a few eyebrows at his RfA, I think we should AGF with Usernames except where they're totally blatant, or where the editing history shows an obvious connection. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 08:48, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

CVUA Trainer

Hello Girth,
I'm interested in becoming a CVUA trainer. The reason why I'm asking you is to assess whether I'm ready to become one. I did the CVUA course last winter and have been fighting vandalism ever since. If you think I'm ready to become one, I would like to be trained to become one, but not yet because I'm completing the NPPSCHOOL course with CASSIOPEIA. If you don't think I'm ready to be one, please state your reasons why. I look forward to your feedback and please ping me in your response. Interstellarity (talk) 18:11, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Interstellarity, hi - thanks for offering to help out. I've seen you around a few times, but we've not interacted enough for me to have an immediate opinion on this - if you don't mind, I'll spend a bit of time this weekend snooping around your contribs and get back to you in a couple of days? Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 18:29, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Girth Summit, Take your time. Interstellarity (talk) 18:33, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Interstellarity, hi there. I've had a look through your contributions, and I see that you've been doing good counter-vandalism work pretty consistently for around 9 months since graduating from CVUA. You must have build up a considerable amount of experience in that time, and I expect you'd be able to do a very good job as a trainer. There's no official registration process - just add yourself to the list at WP:CVUA and wait for trainees to contact you. The curriculum you went through with Operator873 is a bit different from the one that I use - it covers the same ground, but does it slightly differently - you might want to take a look at some of the courses linked to here, as well as your own training page, to see whether there's anything you think it would be good to use. Thanks again for your interest in doing this. GirthSummit _(blether) 13:08, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

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Friendly Note

Hello! I don't know exactly why, but I just wanted to let you know I've started a NPP school course with Rosguill ( I was going to do it with Barkeep49 but he was busy doing ArbCom stuff)! I thought it might also help with GA stuff in addition to NPR. I really wanted to help with the backlog when I am done, and will hopefully be able to do the two pages a day pledge. Anyways just wanted to let you know. :) Puddleglum2.0 ^{Have a talk?} 04:49, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Puddleglum2.0, cool - Rosguill is super-experienced in NPP, I'm sure you'll enjoy the course and learn a lot from them. Have fun! GirthSummit _(blether) 15:28, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Question

I have question concerning a recent article that you speedy deleted. My issue is that I can’t find the article from were it was copyrighted. You did give me a link but it did not bring to the exact page. Ps I was a little shocked that it was copyrighted since I got of the material from another Wikipedia article. BigRed606 (talk) 22:57, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

BigRed606, hi - would you be willing to indicate the article that was deleted, and the article you seem to be admitting copying the material from? That would help me respond helpfully. Thanks GirthSummit _(blether) 23:46, 29 November 2019 (UTC).

Jan Pol (Veterinarian) And I think the article that it was copyrighted from was http://listcinema.sojackrussell.com/tag/documentary.html http://listcinema.sojackrussell.com/tag/documentary.html BigRed606 (talk) 00:12, 30 November 2019 (UTC) But when I go to the website it only brings me to the home page. BigRed606 (talk) 00:13, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

BigRed606, that link takes me directly to the page with the text in - search for Jan Pol, it's about half way down the page. You said you copied it from a Wikipedia article - which one? GirthSummit _(blether) 07:46, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Thinking about this a bit more, if the content already existed at another Wikipedia article, it's possible that these sources copied it from us rather than the other way around. I'll have to check the dates these websites were published - if you let me know which Wikipedia article you got it from, I'll investigate further. (Please note that this is one of the reasons why it's necessary to attribute content that's copied from another Wiki article). GirthSummit _(blether) 15:31, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

A question about CVUA

Just out of curiousity, about how close am I to finishing it? I've do÷ne a lot already, but I'm assuming there's more sections to cover. Am I currently still near the start, about halfway, or nearly finished? I definitely don't want to rush anything, and I'm going to do my best to keep giving detailed answers. I'm just curious about where I am, progression-wise. Clovermoss (talk) 18:13, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Clovermoss, you're getting near the end actually. I see you've answered the latest section, I'll try to have a look at that tomorrow but am about to log off to make dinner. Quick check - there are two more sections, one about 'dealing with difficult users', the other about rollback. They're both quite short, and once we've done the Rollback section you should apply for the Rollback permission (if you want it of course) and I will support your application. (I could give it to you myself technically, but I see it as good practice to allow another admin to review, since we've been working together so closely). Then all that's left is the Final Exam (not actually very scary - just some questions based on the content you've already covered, you'll be fine). Using Huggle and Stiki aren't actually included formally in the course, but naturally if you want to start doing that once you've got rollback, I'll be happy to help informally. GirthSummit _(blether) 18:22, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the thoughtful response! I appreciate it. As for rollback, it's a permission I already have. I'm still fine with doing that section of the course, I just thought I should let you know. See [4] for my request at WP:PERM in September. That said, I haven't used it much yet. According to xTools, I've only used it 4 times. Clovermoss (talk) 18:33, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Clovermoss, (dinner is on the hob, cooking gently) - oh yes - I should have checked that. OK, well that part of the course should be no problem for you. I'll have a quick look at your last answer now.... GirthSummit _(blether) 18:42, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

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Grammatical errors and spelling mistakes

Hi,

I am a new Wikipedia user, and I have edited several articles. I have received a message today which says I have made edits in the articles that introduced grammatical errors. However, I had no intention to do that. In fact, I have corrected several spelling mistakes and grammatical errors which were changing the meaning and sentence structure.

Hi Paul Allens - please sign your talk page posts, using four tildes (~~~~). The edits of yours that I reverted all introduced new grammatical errors, rather than correcting existing ones. Please review them carefully, and let me know if there are any where you can't see the errors. I'm just asking you to be careful. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 13:06, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

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Revision response lag killin me

Hiya Girth!

Hope all is well :)

I was wondering if there is anything else I can do to get the article I wrote reviewed any faster. The review time has passed over several weeks now and just wondering if it fell behind someones desk or something. The article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Blue_Sky_Architecture

Cheers and thanks for your help! Quettal (talk) 03:43, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Quettal, hi. Drafts are reviewed in no particular order, entirely by volunteers, and there isn't a formal way to get the process speeded up. I had a quick look now, and I can see why reviewers seem to be reluctant to take it on - it still feels somewhat promotional, but it's not so bad as to warrant an immediate decline; I think people are hoping that someone else will make the decision. I'll try to find some time to look it over in the next few days, but I'll tell you up front that I might change some stuff. Are you happy with that? GirthSummit _(blether) 10:53, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi Quettal - I just stopped by again at the draft page, and see that Kvng has given some suggestions - I'm happy to step back at this point, Kvng knows what they are doing, hope you are able to respond to their suggestions and find a way forward. If it stalls again by do by all means let me know. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 23:12, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Cheers, Girth. I just noticed kvng message and will look into providing what he requests. Quettal (talk) 22:44, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Hey friend. Thanks for your advice.I 'm sorry for using bad dialects. But I havent understand what was wrong with my edit on INCEPTION page.

Waiting for your response. Wasaydominickcobb — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wasaydominickcobb (talk • contribs) 11:16, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestions.

Hy bro. Actually I m a new one here. I even doesnt not know where I can talk to you on wikipediaI m facing great difficulty.

And sorry for using bad languages in describing other respectable editors.

Waiting for your response. Wasaydominickcobb (talk) 11:21, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Wasaydominickcobb, I've replied on your question on your talk page. No worries about the bad language, just please do read CIV, it's a core policy and one that we must all abide by. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 11:29, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks

I just wanted to say thank you for the emails back. I appreciate all the time you must have taken to help. I appreciate your kindness, as well. On another note, I'll probably get back to doing CVUA training soon. I've been doing some other stuff recently, but now that it's the weekend I have more time for stuff like this. Clovermoss (talk) 13:34, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Clovermoss, you're welcome. Regarding the course, as I said you're pretty near the end now, just a couple of short sections then the exam. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 13:39, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Need help

On Ad Astra article I have added an information in CRITICAL RESPONSE section. But M facing problems in adding the reference there. I have added there but that one is wrong.

Can u fix it by adding the proper reference ? Wasaydominickcobb (talk) 03:56, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Wasaydominickcobb, from a quick check, I assume you're talking about this addition? You've added a ref name 'Roeper', but that name doesn't appear to be defined anywhere on the page. If I were you, I'd use the 'Cite' tool just above the editing window to add the ref - be sure to fill in as many fields as you can, including the URL, the author's name, and the title of the piece. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 13:54, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Risk aversion and Utility -- self publishing

Hello, I noticed that this user is adding content from his own book, which is published by Lambert Academic Publishing (LAP), an imprint of the infamous Verlag Dr Muller aka OmniScriptum. Not sure what the procedure is here, and since I'm not an expert in either mathematics or economics I can't say anything about the contents added. Thank you --Ihaveacatonmydesk (talk) 00:00, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Ihaveacatonmydesk, hi there - I took a look, and agree that this looks peculiar. Per WP:SELFCITE, citing one's own works is not expressly prohibited, but I think that this ought to be discussed on the relevant talk pages - I've reverted the editor's contributions to these pages, and advised them to seek consensus for their additions. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 00:55, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello!

To the paragrahv "Utility" I have added approximately 5 new references to the list "Further Reading". 1 of them was a reference to my own book "Utility Function u = x/(x + 1). Other references were to important relevant sources. Then, I wrote a new section "Some Simple Utility Functions" containing 3 or 4 subsections, corresponding to different utility functions. The last section contains my original material (as far as I know) about u = x/(x + 1). Here, I finally added a reference (References) to my relevant book. As it follows, I had a plan to make my name less visible: 1) to take out my name from the captions of the figures; 2) to transpose the Reference to my book inside the text, because it was in the caption of the sub-section. Unfortunately, the text has been taken out from the Wikipedia. I had an idea that someone, who has some other relevant references, can later add them and to make the text more precise. If someone has earlier derived exactly the same formulae, one can improve my text. Today, I am already too tired to work with Wikipedia.

--Jüri Eintalu (talk) 02:15, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Jüri Eintalu, I'm content to leave it for someone from Wikiproject Economics review this - I dropped a note over there. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 13:55, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! I am new in the Wikipedia and I do not know how to make a note I have seen sometimes "Needs editing" or something like that.

--Jüri Eintalu (talk) 17:33, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

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