User talk:Doncram/NHL-and-NRHPdelistings
Latest comment: 8 years ago by Another Believer in topic Separate lists?
"Wikipedia article traffic statistics" show more readership than i would have thought, 5-10/day on average, in various 90 day periods i looked up.
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Ex-NHL still on Register edit
There's more than one. See Soldier Field. Daniel Case (talk) 16:39, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
- Also Gambell Sites. Nyttend (talk) 15:29, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Separate lists? edit
If there are 1,500+ delisted properties, should we have separate lists for each state? Obviously, not all sites can be included in a single list. ---Another Believer (Talk) 17:12, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
- May I also suggest subcategories by state for Category:Former National Register of Historic Places? ---Another Believer (Talk) 17:15, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Personally, I question the need to have separate lists of delisted properties at all. Perhaps a topic article on the phenomenon and process of delisting could be useful, but when it comes to identifying the delisted properties themselves, having a second table on the county-list articles works perfectly nicely. Rather than creating yet more lists of delisteds, I would choose to delete this one. — Ipoellet (talk) 18:31, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
- I hadn't thought of that, but I agree. I'll let other NRHP project members decide whether or not lists of delisted properties are helpful/important or not, but we should probably have lists of delisted properties by state or none at all. I do, however, think subcategories for "Category:Former National Register of Historic Places" would be helpful. ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:40, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
- The delisted properties are mostly in a separate table on the county lists already (and the ones that aren't usually just slipped through the cracks of NPS documentation). Meanwhile, this list is woefully incomplete for something that was created in 2008, and we've already done a good job adding the listings to the county lists where people are more likely to look for them. I agree that we should delete this one, or redirect it to the main list of NRHP listings. Subcategories seem like a useful idea, since the main category is more complete and has a more useful purpose than this list, but we don't need separate lists. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 23:31, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
- As the person who added most of the delistings into the county lists, I think having these in the county lists is more than sufficient. I know that I still have roughly 300 sites that I still need to add, but these are sites that were delisted before 1978, which don't have official delisting documentation; they are just listed on the overall NPS spreadsheet as delisted. I would also approve of a delisted category, which could be added to the county lists that include a delisting. 25or6to4 (talk) 13:33, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
- I agree: a list as this aims to be is superfluous, and a list as this is now is absolutely useless because it makes it seem like we've identified only a couple of dozen delisted places. Deletion would be the best route, better than redirecting to the national list. Nyttend (talk) 03:57, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
- I went ahead and nominated the list for deletion. Please contribute to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of delisted National Register of Historic Places properties. ----Another Believer (Talk) 04:24, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
- I agree: a list as this aims to be is superfluous, and a list as this is now is absolutely useless because it makes it seem like we've identified only a couple of dozen delisted places. Deletion would be the best route, better than redirecting to the national list. Nyttend (talk) 03:57, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
- As the person who added most of the delistings into the county lists, I think having these in the county lists is more than sufficient. I know that I still have roughly 300 sites that I still need to add, but these are sites that were delisted before 1978, which don't have official delisting documentation; they are just listed on the overall NPS spreadsheet as delisted. I would also approve of a delisted category, which could be added to the county lists that include a delisting. 25or6to4 (talk) 13:33, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
- The delisted properties are mostly in a separate table on the county lists already (and the ones that aren't usually just slipped through the cracks of NPS documentation). Meanwhile, this list is woefully incomplete for something that was created in 2008, and we've already done a good job adding the listings to the county lists where people are more likely to look for them. I agree that we should delete this one, or redirect it to the main list of NRHP listings. Subcategories seem like a useful idea, since the main category is more complete and has a more useful purpose than this list, but we don't need separate lists. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 23:31, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Update: I went ahead and created Category:Former National Register of Historic Places in Oregon. We can always delete and return the Oregon sites to the parent category if discussion concludes the subcategories are not necessary, but I think they are helpful and I hope we can create similar subcategories for other states. ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:04, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
- Personally, I don't see the necessity to break out state subcats, but I don't see a problem with it either. Good on you for being bold. — Ipoellet (talk) 22:45, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks. There are now 24 subcategories, some with as many as 17 entries. These numbers are sure to increase as more properties are delisted and articles are created for delisted sites. ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:12, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Oregon edit
- Amazon Family Housing Complex
- Dayton Opera House
- Canterbury Castle (Portland, Oregon)
- Knights of Columbus Building (Portland, Oregon)
- Bethel Baptist Church (Gresham, Oregon)
- Edward Knox Haseltine House
- Washington County Jail (Oregon)
- Shriners Hospital for Crippled Children (Portland, Oregon)
- Marshall J. Kinney Cannery
- Lewis H. Mills House (1929)
- Jacob C. Spores House
---Another Believer (Talk) 17:14, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
- Also, would a site like Antelope Creek Bridge be included? ---Another Believer (Talk) 17:23, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
- You mean where it was previously listed, then delisted, then relisted? From an encyclopedic rather than public-policy standpoint, I would treat it as currently listed with just some subsidiary footnotes about its previous listing history.— Ipoellet (talk) 18:37, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
- Works for me. Thanks, ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:19, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
- You mean where it was previously listed, then delisted, then relisted? From an encyclopedic rather than public-policy standpoint, I would treat it as currently listed with just some subsidiary footnotes about its previous listing history.— Ipoellet (talk) 18:37, 6 August 2015 (UTC)