User talk:Cryptic/archive-8

Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 November 16‎#Patrick A. Reid

• I modified my statement on Patrick A. Reid at DelRev based on your comment--thought you'd like to know. DGG (talk) 23:01, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Leeuwarden (municipality)

I'm sorry that was rather silly of me, but when I say more to come I mean it will come. My intentions are to make a distinction between Leeuwarden (city) and Leeuwarden (municipality). I recently created Leeuwarden (disambiguation) to clear things up. I appreciate your concern but I assure it will soon be decent article. Baldrick90 (talk) 01:07, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

There's no way to tell whether a "I'll be back to work on this" note on a page really does mean someone will be back to work on it. I've found such notes on pages that were months old. In the meantime, the bluelinked page title keeps anyone else from noticing that we don't have an article there and writing one. There's no need to reserve a page name in advance. —Cryptic 01:12, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Kersal edits

Thanks for reverting the edit made by Kersalflats to the Kersal page as I've done a lot of work on it. I couldn't quite work out what he'd done when I checked the history, did he remove the whole history section? He doesn't seem to understand that once you put something on wikipedia it's in the public domain and no longer your property. Anyway, to avoid an edit war I've edited out the stuff that was copied from his page - which was copied on by someone else and mostly POV stuff which I wouldn't have used myself. I've just left in the stuff that was referenced subsequently. I might add that some of his wording was a straight lift from other websites anyway so I don't know why he should be so upset! I'd be grateful if you would reply on my talk page. Richerman (talk) 03:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

RfC/U

A page to which you have significant contributions, RfC/U, is up for deletion here. -- Jreferee t/c 06:41, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

DRV missed?

You asked in your DRV edit summaries about John B. if you missed anything in listing prior discussion. We had this lovely RFAR suggestion, but I don't think it is worth posting in the DRV. GRBerry 04:12, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Reverting BetacommandBot flagging an image as disputed fair use.

Regarding this edit in which you revert BetacommandBot, which added a challenge to the fair use of the image: I appreciate the intent. It annoys the hell out of me as well. But that image was not quite up to the letter of the rules. The Bot probably won't try again, but the image would be subject to any wikilawyer who wandered by. So while the Bot pisses me off, it's best to just fix whatever fiddly complaint it has at the moment. I'd be far more pissed if some administrator swooped in and deleted it without the warning BetacommandBot provides. I've fixed Image:The Meteor, the Stone and a Long Glass of Sherbet.png so we should be set. — Alan De Smet | Talk 00:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

It linked to a former title of the page which still redirects to it. Supposedly, the bot accounts for such cases, but - surprise! - it's broken (again). By all rights, it should be blocked (again), but I didn't feel up to instigating drama. —Cryptic 01:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Aha! Now that I've actually looked at your edit, I see you misunderstood both me and the bot: the only substance to its complaint was that the exact current title of the page wasn't linked. The image already had an adequate (if minimal) fair use rationale for its use there. —Cryptic 01:56, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Firefly Minor Characters

There has been a call for deletion of the List of minor characters in the Firefly universe article. Since you've commented on the call to merge all the major characters, I thought you might be interested. Shsilver 15:19, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

RickK

I was not part of the dispute RickK had. I was completely uninvolved. I was on a vacation back then. To but it bluntly I do not understand what you are getting at. -- Cat ^chi? 16:30, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Dramatica

I'm just a random nobody, but came across this and wondered if you could be a bit more specific. Thanks. 75.161.105.130 (talk) 05:09, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

• I second this request Entro-P (talk) 13:48, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
• Me too. I don't get it.--Sonjaaa (talk) 01:41, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Rfa

I wish to thank you for being supportive of my effort to regain my adminship. Though it was not successful, your support was still very much appreciated. Let me know if there is anything I can do for you. Thank you!--MONGO 18:05, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Northwest Royale

These guys are really good friends of mine, and I thought that they deserved a Wiki entry...then I found that there *had* been one for them, but it was deleted. I really would like to make one for them, not for advertisement's sake, but to basically show that they are hard workers, great musicians, and that they have a rather large following, especially here in their hometown. I don't know what was on the original page, but I do have access to articles, websites, photos, their manager, and the band members themselves (3 of the members are in my top friends on MySpace), so I'm sure a very accurate, reliable entry could be made about them...but I don't want to recreate something that's previously been deleted, only to be deleted again...I guess I'm asking your views and opinion on this... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Twitterpatedxpagan (talk • contribs) 22:59, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

The most important question is either, "What's changed since October 2006 that makes them meet WP:MUSIC?", or "What's not accurate about the assessment at the deletion discussion?". The deleted article itself is of no use; other than the opening sentence ("Northwest Royale is a Metalcore band from Eugene, Oregon."), a list of band members, and the name of their last cd (then The Nosebleed Section), I don't see anything that would appear in a neutral, well-written article. —Cryptic 01:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

soo...if I could come up with something that's not less than a couple sentences, and meets guidelines/requirements, then my friends could once again be on wiki? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Twitterpatedxpagan (talk • contribs) 04:28, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

FP Delist Nom

Hi Cryptic,

An image you have been involved with uploading has been nominated for delist at FPC. See Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/delist/Bunch of Grapes. Cheers, --jjron (talk) 15:56, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Vote templates

I understand the removal of the vote templates, but do not understand the removal of the templates that I personally use that are created in my own user space. Please explain your reasoning. Roguegeek (talk) 18:33, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Putting them in userspace does not magically make them ok. —Cryptic 00:07, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

That was completely no where close to being helpful. Does that mean there is no rationale you can provide? Roguegeek (talk) 04:46, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to try and be as helpful as I can be by providing pertaining policies that you're apparently not going to provide yourself. Here's the claim for deletion that you provided under G4:

4. Recreation of deleted material. A copy, by any title, of a page deleted via a deletion discussion, provided the copy is substantially identical to the deleted version and that any changes in the recreated page do not address the reasons for which the material was deleted. This does not apply to content that has been undeleted via deletion review, deleted via proposed deletion, or to speedy deletions (although in that case, the previous speedy criterion, or other speedy criteria, may apply). Also, content moved to user space for explicit improvement is excluded, although material moved or copied to circumvent Wikipedia's deletion policy is not.

So please explain to me your rationale for using this policy as the reason for deleting the templates? Honestly, I don't see it and maybe you can help me see it. Roguegeek (talk) 05:25, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

So, yeah, did you actually read the last sentence in that? —Cryptic 11:59, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Again, you are of no help with your vague comments. I see the last line very clearly. Which part of the deletion policy do you claim I am attempting to circumvent? Roguegeek (talk) 20:12, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I just noticed you placed a block over me during the last 48 hours. Fair enough I if I was doing something wrong. Unfortunately, I'm still no where close to understanding what (if anything) I did wrong and you definitely have a clear intent to not clarify as per your actions without proper warning of any kind. It's an excellent example of your failure to communicate in this discussion which actually goes against the administrator conduct policy. Do you have any plan to remedy this at all? Roguegeek (talk) 20:30, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

No response? Roguegeek (talk) 08:13, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, I'll spell it out. These templates have been consistently and overwhelmingly rejected; a sample of the debates can be seen here (fourth section), here, here, and here. These aren't likely ever to be acceptable, and making irrelevent tweaks in the formatting or just repeatedly re-creating them until folks stop noticing isn't going to get them there; the only way to "improve" these is to demonstrate consensus has changed. Putting them in userspace and calling for people to subst them like they were normal templates isn't a proper use of userspace; it's deliberate circumvention their deletion. —Cryptic 09:47, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Alright, a couple of things. You're assuming I'm trying to circumvent the deletion. This is a poor and wrong assumption on your part. I originally created the templates thinking they had never been created. After the first deletion, I saw they had been discussed previously and understood they should not have been re-created. I still thought they were good tools for me to use personally. Is it wrong to create personal tools to use Wikipedia more effectively? Maybe it is wrong, but I don't see a policy against it so point me to that if it exists.

Now for the block you placed on me, I don't see any policy that shows you were able to do that within the scope of your adminship, especially without any sort of warning what so ever. Furthermore, I was asking for clarity before you even placed a block on my account. My understanding of this situation was that I did reach out to you for clarity and you blocked without warning. You have a responsibility to explain those actions to me because, honestly, I feel like you completely abused your adminship in this case. Roguegeek (talk) 10:03, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

? Roguegeek (talk) 21:02, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Looking for some kind of clarity here. Also, I've found another user whose had templates like this for quite some time. Is there rationale for them being able to accomplish this? Roguegeek (talk) 23:48, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Still looking for a response here. Roguegeek (talk) 03:23, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

TOMS Shoes

I see you were involved in some deletion discussion regarding TOMS Shoes. This article was deleted, then recreated by the business itself, then edited by someone who claims to be a newspaper writer, but it still reads like an ad and is generally unreferenced, unless you include press releases, dead links and references to the company's own websites. I've put notices on the page and note that there is no talk page. Post on my talk page if you're interested in discussing this for cleanup or deletion. (Sheesh, Rogan's Shoes looks similar! What's with the shoes?) It looks like the only notability is that of the owner, who appeared on The Amazing Race reality TV show, then attempted to co-found a reality TV cable network. Something smells spammish. --Danorton 05:38, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

deletion of Atlantic Estuarine Research Society (AERS)

How can an organization entry display the mission statement of the organization without the appearance of a copyright violation with said organization's web page ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zednaught (talk • contribs) 10:43, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

By quoting it as their mission statement and attributing it to them, instead of just dropping it into the article unlabelled and letting it masquerade as the actual content. —Cryptic 12:41, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Great! Thanks for the tip —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.55.33.72 (talk) 15:53, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Welcome back!

I'm delighted to see you back editing again. Stifle (talk) 08:48, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar notice

		The Minor Barnstar
		For making exceptionally good-quality minor edits Stifle (talk) 08:48, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

User:Uncle G/On notability

Alright, I was not sure if it was supposed to be that way or not, so I decided to be bold...thanks. =) the_ed17 15:13, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of Ꙏ

I think the problem is on my end - the computer I'm on didn't render anything other than the gibberish unicode character Ꙏ, rather than any Cyrillic. That said, I think the appropriate criteria would have been A1 (No Context) which a translation from gibberish to Cyrillic would qualify as. I'm undeleting it now and tagging as a language stub and for expansion. Sorry for the confusion, UltraExactZZ ^Claims ~ Evidence 15:36, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Recent speedy template deletion requests

Hi. Just to apologize for mistakenly listing some recent speedy template deletion requests incorrectly -- I meant to use {{db-t3}}. Sardanaphalus (talk) 16:57, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I was mostly annoyed that you were replacing the redirects with the speedy tag while they were still transcluded in articles, which dropped them all into CAT:CSD. <noinclude> is your friend. —Cryptic 17:00, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I'd also lost track of which links I'd updated and which I hadn't. Break time, I think. Sardanaphalus (talk) 17:02, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Gotech page deletion

Cryptic, I would not have placed the article if I have not seen similar articles describing similar products. (MoTeC) Any chance of reinstating the article? --Kilowatt-Junkie (talk) 17:06, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I've speedied MoTeC also; neither article contained any indication whatsoever why these companies belong in an encyclopedia. If you find any others, do please point them out. —Cryptic 17:10, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I may have opened a can of worms here, see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Automotive_motorsports_and_performance_companies

--Kilowatt-Junkie (talk) 17:14, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Some of the companies listed supply more advertising than information.--Kilowatt-Junkie (talk) 17:23, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Cryptic, I know you have to draw the line somewhere, mmmm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.35.68.144 (talk) 18:17, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Question re. Shoe Goo

Hi. I agree that the article should have been deleted, but I'd like to take a whack at doing an NPOV version of it. Would you mind terribly if I were to recreate a proper article? --PMDrive1061 (talk) 15:48, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Course not. Go right ahead. —Cryptic 15:49, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

• You iz da man. I just didn't want to go over your head. Thanks much. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 15:50, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Got it done, at least for now. It's a good, serviceable stub. Thanks for the help! --PMDrive1061 (talk) 16:15, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

about the Sungale Group Inc

Is it because I provided to little information? Or is it because I didn't provide enough reference.

What if I want to recreate it, should I add links to it to provide the source of the contents?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Milliaamy (talk • contribs) 17:09, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

As my deletion summary said, you have to show the company's importance or significance—that is, why it merits inclusion in an encyclopedia. Wikipedia is not the Yellow Pages. The relevant guidelines are here. —Cryptic 19:46, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

DRV/2008 May 12

If you have a chance, could you clarify the statement "Wijikipeddia - Faljeirsic; Vikipeidiea - Galmoen; Wiquipedia - Raein (Galmosk); Viquarpedi - Galmoen (Retsaw)."? I've never heard of those languages. I'm just curious where you got that information from. Thanks! MrPrada (talk) 22:23, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Advertising?

What is considered advertising, because almost every marketed product has a wikipedia page, for example Edline or Coca Cola? How can I make my article 'not an advertisment' like all the others —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.230.173.137 (talk) 23:10, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I have no way to know what article you're talking about here. In general, make at least a passing attempt at writing from a neutral point of view with reference to third-party reliable sources, as opposed to just spewing content-free advertising copy. —Cryptic 07:18, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. do you think you can write an article on something. my last three attempts were deleted... 69.230.173.94 (talk) 20:45, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the talk page cleanup. It's nice to know I'm getting more action online than off... Cheers. -- Longhair\^talk 09:26, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Logo

Thanks for compressing the new logo image, that really helped. I just downloaded pngcrush myself and I was wondering if you could tell me the command line you used in this case. It would save me the time of having to familiarize myself with the extra-long readme :) Thanks. Equazcion •✗/C • 21:57, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

pngcrush -brute -rem alla WikiNew.png WikiNewer.png —Cryptic 23:26, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks much :) Equazcion •✗/C • 23:27, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Henry Shelton Sanford

Hey, I just wanted to see if there was any particular reason you reverted the bot's edits to do default sorting for the categories instead of me just returning it. The bot edit looked acceptable to me at first glance, but did I miss a problem with it? Thanks. matt91486 (talk) 19:32, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

This particular edit missorted the article in Category:Sanford family. Yes, just re-keying the one category would be ideal, but I'm rolling back/undoing wherever I can and the result is correct due to the volume; see my contributions and Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Betacommand blocked for sockpuppetry‎ for an idea of how much cleaning up needs to be done. —Cryptic 19:36, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

That's fine; if there's a reason for doing it the old way, I'll trust that there is - I'm not terribly good with the technical side of everything yet (several years later), and that's why I just wanted to quick check in and see before I messed with anything. Thanks. matt91486 (talk) 22:59, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Halloweentown (film)

Could you undelete any Talk:Halloweentown (film) history, too?

--William Allen Simpson (talk) 12:35, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

--William Allen Simpson (talk) 14:32, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

BSL, Business School Lausanne

Hi! What was the problem with this article? Where are the copyright content you report? It was "handwrited" by a member of this school, so please clarify so we can rewrite it accordingly. Thx! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tchikoo (talk • contribs) 13:03, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

For some bizarre definition of "handwrited" [sic] that accounts for two thirds of the content being lifted verbatim from the school's promotional materials, perhaps. —Cryptic 13:13, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Oki thx but that's their own material... I'll ask him to write something more informative and less advertising.

Deleting unused template redirects

Hi again:

• http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ALebanon-related_topics&diff=215620396&oldid=213545606

I've removed the one remaining use within the encyclopedia, but had previously been counseled to use {{db-t3}} to request a speedy deletion (rather than e.g. {{db-speedy}}). I'd appreciate your advice. Sardanaphalus (talk) 04:50, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't think this is a speedy at all. WP:CSD#T3's worded to get stuff like {{FootnotesSmall}} (an alternate version of {{reflist}}) or a template that does nothing but transclude another, but not template redirects; I don't have time at the moment to look through the archives to confirm this was the intention in the original discussion, but I vaguely recall this was the case. Redirects left by page moves aren't generally deleted unless they're actively harmful, and I don't see what harm these are doing at all. —Cryptic 04:58, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply and apologies for the delay before mine. I reckon such leftovers are worth speedy-deleting as (1) they're clutter and (2) it releases names for subsequent templates that may suit them. Sardanaphalus (talk) 06:58, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Brand asset consulting

Why do you keep deleting BrandAsset Consulting? There is a link from BrandAsset Valuator which is a valid article?

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—Preceding unsigned comment added by Ewiener (talk • contribs) 17:00, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Because it's thoroughly biased, mostly content-free adcopy. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a billboard. —Cryptic 17:05, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

It is only a link from Brand Asset Valuator and a brief description of the company, not an advertisement. --EJW (talk) 17:16, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion

Hi Cryptic, the reason I made the clarification is that it is confusing as written. It seems better to use the language that was agreed upon in the criteria. In any event, I will not undo your change. Accurizer (talk) 03:01, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Bad Redirects

Ao no kishi‎, Ao no Kishi, Akasaka Kei-itiro‎, Kei-itiro Akasaka‎, Cyniclons Dren, Cyniclons Sardon‎, Cyniclons Tarb‎, Quiche (Tokyo Mew Mew)

Do I really have to take all those bad redirects to AfD just to get rid of them? They were excessive redirects made ages ago, are not likely search terms, with most being unlikely mispellings. I'm just trying to do some clean up as part of the overall Tokyo Mew Mew clean up. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 07:28, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

They're not misspellings (as can be seen, in most cases, in the sections they redirect to), they're not at all recently created (a requirement to speedy them even if they were misspelled), and they're not speedies. You can take them to WP:RFD if you really badly want to, but there's really no reason to delete them. —Cryptic 07:33, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Exactly, they are NOT mispellings at all. They are not likely mispellings, they are not likely search terms, and they are not used. I've sent them all to RFD. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 07:47, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

re: deletion of Team Lexington

Why did you delete the newly created article about Team Lexington, an established performance collective? There are many other similar articles such as
The Wooster Group - *[[1]]
Stelarc - *[[2]]
The Cockettes - *[[3]]
We find it extremely annoying that we can not contribute and give the article the chance to grow, without your immediate "policing" and deletion of our contributions and especially before they are given a chance to be read and referenced by others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teamlexington (talk • contribs) 18:49, 1 June 2008

Allysse Wojtanek-Watson

Can you please bring Allysse Wojtanek-Watson's article back? --76.235.133.37 (talk) 06:41, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Happily, once she does something that remotely meets WP:BIO. Alternately, you could bring it up at Wikipedia:Deletion review and waste the time of a half dozen more people who'll tell you exactly the same thing. —Cryptic 07:34, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

They chose the alternative...--Tikiwont (talk) 12:34, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Objective-J

there's no good reason why to delete the Objective-J article. If you're looking for "an article about a certain website, blog, forum, or other web content that does not assert the importance or significance of that web location" to delete, then Objective-J is the wrong thing. Objective-J is a programming language, not a website. TheUnixGeek (talk) 21:09, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

It's a product of a non-notable company with zero reliable sources. As I said in the deletion summary. Hurling false accusations at me, in regards to an article where you tried to use your own blog as a reference, is not the way forward. —Cryptic 22:04, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I tried to look around for an article on objective-j and was happy to see that wikipedia had a page (in the google cache)... It is a well known language (has just been only recently used by a small startup) but there is at least a reliable source about it http://ajaxian.com/archives/an-interview-with-280-north-on-objective-j-and-cappuccino (talk) 10:24, 12 June 2008 (UTC) 218.111.201.39 (talk) 08:25, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I can't actually listen to the podcast (I'm six hours' drive from home, and my laptop's sound doesn't work), but the accompanying text doesn't say what you say it says - rather the opposite: it implies pretty strongly that 280 North wrote the language. A podcast interview with them isn't exactly third-party or reliable, mind. —Cryptic 09:52, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I have removed the speedy deletion tag. Its a new language for web based application software, and it is released just few hour before. With Objective-J and Cappuccino_(Application_Development_Framework) , it is possible to develop web application more easily. It will take one or two days to become a good Article. --Narendra Sisodiya (talk) 20:07, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Harriet Sylvia Ann Howland Green Wilks

Only to let you know what my thinking was on this, I saw neither the lower threshold of an assertion of importance in the text, nor any evidence of the higher threshold of notability in the article topic, neither did the tagging editor. I'm not aware of anything in WP:N that says wealth inherited by offspring is notable in itself and moreover, I didn't see any evidence this person has been widely noted except in passing as her notable mother's daughter. I let it sit in DRV only because I was curious about what other editors would have to say about this. If the editor had come to my talk page and asked me to restore the page, I would have done straight off. Thanks for your input in the DRV! Gwen Gale (talk) 03:39, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: FatMan StarJumps

Just like a brief explanation of why this article was deleted thanks. :D —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doyaldinho (talk • contribs) 10:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Arne Paus

I wonder if this was tagged and deleted by a mistake. [4] If it is to be deleted I would like to see a lot better arguments for the deletion. If necessary I can probably ask someone to write a better article. ;) Jeblad (talk) 15:38, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Protection

The article has apparently been restored, so would it be possible to unprotect? I have at least one new reliable source I could use for in-line citations. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 14:04, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008 June 21

Would you kindly userfy the article in question? Thanks. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 00:34, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

No. This clearly isn't something that can be salvaged by further editing here; it's going to need someone external to Wikipedia writing about it first. —Cryptic 00:56, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

That's why I'm asking for it to be userfied so that I can add additional sources, improve it further as I continue to come across them. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 00:58, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps if you'd done that first instead of carrying on like a spoiled child, someone—anyone—would have taken you seriously at DRV. Essentially none of the variously unsourced and missourced text that was there would survive in an article that was written based on actual sources. If this isn't just the let-this-live-untouched-in-userspace-forever-the-sources-are-out-there-no-really-they-are ploy I think it is, anyway. —Cryptic 01:12, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Block of User:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles

Your block on Le Grand Roi just now was sketchy at best. While I'm not crazy about him leaving that user warning on your talk page, doing that once isn't grounds for blocking to me, especially since you went and did it unilaterally. I ask you to unblock. I'm positive I could get consensus to do so on ANI if you refuse. Wizardman 01:34, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Agree. blocking someone you are in an edit war with is not on. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:38, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

...who was edit warring? —Cryptic 01:41, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

...erm ok wrong word, not revert warring but arguing as per above. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:34, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Trolling? That's a real stretch. How is that appropriate at all? I mean, granted, he obviously shouldn't have templated you, but a block is a highly inappropriate response. I'd strongly recommend you unblock. GlassCobra 01:36, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

If either of you want to unblock, go ahead; there's no need to waste others' time. The whole point, which went over his head, was to stop him wasting others' time with his incessant badgering. —Cryptic 01:41, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Your recent block of Le Grand Roi was an abuse of your position of admin. Are you open for recall? What would convince you to resign your position? Bstone (talk) 02:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Arbcom has in the past ruled that blocking someone yourself for a personal attack on you is not generally acceptable. Furthermore, you issued that block based not even on that violation but for "trolling", which isn't really an acceptable block reason. Even if you find LGRdC annoying and infuriating. At the very least you should have to convince another admin that a block is reasonable. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 02:52, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

FYI. This block is being discussed on ANI. --Onorem♠Dil 02:50, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm aware, but thanks for saying. Y'know, just once I'd like to find out this sort of person really is misguided and creating drama accidentally instead of intentionally. Too much to hope for, spose. —Cryptic 02:58, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, Cryptic, you're not in a position to be up on a high horse at the moment. It's time to get down on your knees and offer a full explanation for such a misguided, unjustifiable block. - auburnpilot talk 03:08, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I personally don't agree with the tone of the statement directly above at all, but there is a request on the ANI page for some comment from you regarding the matters under discussion. I believe we would all welcome seeing your statements regarding the subjects under discussion. John Carter (talk) 23:10, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Please resign your position as an admin

Dear Cryptic, I would like to formally ask you to resign from your position as an admin. Your recent personal attack, incorrect and punitive use of tools and your indignancy all demonstrate you are unfit to be an admin. Please resign. Thank you. Bstone (talk) 04:09, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I would like to formally ask you to retain your position as an admin. While yesterday's actions were wrong, everyone has had a very bad day, so I hope you and the rest of the editors of involved in this can move on after yesterday's incident. Maxim_(talk) 15:33, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

One bad block is not really great grounds to revoke adminship, Bstone, please reconsider. T^heDJA^tC^lubR^ock :-) ^(T/C) 15:34, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Aye, I'm with Maxim here. There really is no need to request a resignation over one bad block. Every makes mistakes and we learn from them. If there was a pattern, I could understand, but there really isn't in Cryptic's case. Ryan Postlethwaite 15:35, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Very bad block, but don't resign, just don't do that again. _{1 != 2} 15:57, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. This request is out of order. — _Maggot^Syn 16:00, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Please reconsider, and possibly strike out your foolish request. One mistake != removal of the mop. T^heDJA^tC^lubR^ock :-) ^(T/C) 18:22, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Cryptic, I think this was a really bad block but I don't think you should resign. However, I think it is important that you make a comment at the ANI discussion. Whether it's to say you stand by the block and explain your block rationale or to say that you made a mistake and won't do it again (whichever is the case). I don't think this going to go away otherwise and I'm concerned that if you don't come and talk there, it will end up snowballing. Please consider. Thanks, Sarah 02:48, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Your block of Roguegeek (3rd May 2008)

In case you've missed it, your block of User:Roguegeek is being discussed in the ANI thread mentioned above. WKnight94 has looked at it and has some concerns, and after looking at it myself, I have to agree with him. From what I can tell, you blocked at 11:57 on 3rd May 2008, and then two minutes later said this at the thread on your talk page. The trail goes cold after that. What happened? The next edit to your talk page is Roguegeek turning up two days later (presumably after his block expired). His next edit, though, showed that he hadn't even realised he had been blocked, which is not surprising if you hadn't put a notice on his talk page. After he prompts you again, you finally respond here. I see the full thread is still on this talk page at User talk:Cryptic#Vote templates. From what I can see, you deleted and redeleted without warning that you would block, and then blocked, and left no notice, and only started to point to the deletion discussions after you had tried blocking first. If I'm missing something, please point it out. Carcharoth (talk) 21:12, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

discussion is continuing, and we would really like to hear from you. DGG (talk)`

A bit of unsolicited advice.

As just about everyone has noted, the block you did of User:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles was improper. As some have noted, one mistake is not a reason to resign, nor is one mistake a reason to de-sysop. However, what seems to be highly reliable as a predictor of de-sysopping is a bad block that the admin refuses to recognize as a bad block. In the case of User:Physchim62, the community was practically begging this admin to acknowledge the error, to show that he understood the seriousness of using admin tools as a response to a perceived insult, but Physchim62, in spite of a clear consensus appearing, refused, and resigned with an angry comment about mob rule. User:Tango similarly blocked a user based on alleged Talk page incivility, and one of the admins who has been encouraging to you also encouraged him. I recently looked at Tango's Talk and found this: [5]. I recall the ArbComm case, that certain editors were "supporting" Tango, and this shows that this "support" continued later. I just responded to that exchange with [6]. It is a loss to the community every time someone who has developed the skills and experience to be an administrator resigns or it is found necessary to remove the tools. But it is essential that the community have trust in the administrators not to abuse those tools. I suggest that you review the ArbComm cases for Physchim62 and Tango, if you are not familiar with them. They were not arbitrary, and Tango wasn't "punished." His inability to understand why he should not have issued the block, and why it was such a serious thing, meant that no other result was possible. If you don't make that turn, you will quite likely go off the road, no matter how many editors are now suggesting that you shouldn't resign. If you apologize, clearly, to the user you blocked, and to the community, showing that you understand why it was radically improper, you will probably avoid further process. But if you do not, well, don't say you were not warned. And this is, in no way, a hostile warning. I'm hoping you get it, and quickly. We need all the help we can keep. --Abd (talk) 02:05, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I love you. I've always loved you.

Just saying. - brenneman 01:52, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Unforgotten Realms, locked?

Hi Cryptic, I work for Themis Media (www.themis-group.com), owner of Escapist Magazine and the Unforgotten Realms series. This is now a viable series and has 5 episodes published on a website that gets millions of hits a week, with several more still to come. I have a wiki drafted up, but can't put it up for review with it locked. Can you unlock it please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brice85 (talk • contribs) 20:13, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

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Spyware Terminator

Hi, I was cleaning up Spyware terminator (note the lack of capitalization) and tried to move it to Spyware Terminator. However, that page is apparently protected from recreation due to repeated creation. I think as the article currently stands it is possibly no longer blatant advertising and so should be moved. Apparently also the last issue with this was a year a go. So it might be ok to leave a new version? (I don't know if the new one survices A7 though). (In case it wasn't clear I'm sending this to you since you were the deleting admin on the original article. JoshuaZ (talk) 14:11, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

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deletion of Ken Ken Ballew page.

I would like a copy of the Ken Ballew page so I can resubmit it for publication with edits to make it more clear why his is not just a bio page, but is the subject of a significant historical event. a.k.a Kenyon Ballew, and or the Ken Ballew raid. basedrop (talk)

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Request to undelete NxBRE page

Done in january 2007 with the following tag: (WP:PROD: advertisement for non-notable software product)

Now NxBRE is notable as the free rule engine for .NET. Can it be undeleted? 212.188.108.114 (talk) 11:46, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Loose thread

While reviewing something unrelated, I just discovered the following loose thread.

I'd like to pick up where we left off...

Wikipedia:List of base pages in the Wikipedia namespace needs an update

Do you know how to do this? (I found this and then posted it to the Wikipedia namespace, but I have no idea how it was created).

Please rebuild it.

(Or explain to the rest of us how, so one of us can do it).

The Transhumanist 17:33, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

What is supposed to be on that page? I can probably recreate it, but I don't know what the 0s are supposed to mean. — Carl (CBM · talk) 18:05, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

The 0s are useless, and shouldn't be on the list. The only thing that should be on the list are pages in the Wikipedia namespace that are neither redirects nor subpages. The Transhumanist 19:49, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&namespace=4 is a low-tech solution. Putting .allpagesredirect { display:none; } in your css will hide the redirects, though you'll have to skip past the subpages yourself. —Cryptic 18:13, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

What .css page were you talking about, monobook.css? I placed your code on my monobook.css page, and it didn't work! The Transhumanist 19:49, 11 June 2009 (UTC) P.S.: I look forward to your reply on my talk page. (The alert feature ensures I won't lose the thread).  :)

Taintstick

Why can't the band Taintstick have a page on Wikipedia? How is it that every band signed to the same label (Suburan Noize) is "significant" enough to have a page and not them. How is a band that was chosen as Gibson Guitars "5 Worst Band Names Of Today" not "noteable?" How is a band that recieves major airplay on Sirius Faction Radio Channel 28 not worthy of Wikipedia? The band has over 300,000 song plays on their MySpace which is more than numerous bands on Wikipedia. Two of the members are DJ's for Sirius. They have 2 music videos out and an album due out in September. Jason Ellis (Lead Singer) even mentioned having their Wikipedia page deleted on his Sirius radio show and does not understand why his band is single out as being insignificant. They have had the likes of Tony Hawk, Rob Dyrdek, Amber Smith, Heidi Cortez, Angie Savage, Jason Mayhem Miller, Ryo Chonan, King Mo in their music videos. All of these people have significance and Wikipedia pages. This is ridiculous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deekortiz5 (talk • contribs) 06:25, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

2032 Olymics

Hello. A while ago you removed the page 2032 Olympics. I fully agree with your reasoning. It was far too early for people to consider needing such a page.

However as 2016 has now been decided I think it would be worth re-opening this page so that users can begin to place correctly referenced information sourced from reliable sources.

I have already noticed that some cities are publicly discussing their intention to bid for 2032. So the time is probably right.

Feel free to shut down any 2036-ers though.

Cheers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.56.88.115 (talk) 10:55, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Spyware Terminator

Hello.

Just to revisit the Spyware Termintor article. I am requesting the article be unprotected and heavily scrutinized. Otherwise, let the article be created by yourself if just the words: Spyware Terminator is an anti spyware program.

With recognition that this article is a stub and the references given would be http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2167808,00.asp (A review by PC Magazine) and http://www.softsea.com/review/Spyware-Terminator.html (A review by SoftSea), with the official site being www.spywareterminator.com

The existence of this software is mentioned in the ClamAV article in any case. I am suggesting that the existence of this software be shown on wikipedia.

Let the article still be protected, but I think at least the information I request to be added to this article can be catered for?

Best Regards,

Jsg24 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsg24 (talk • contribs) 11:54, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

If Cryptic will allow me to post a comment here, I should like to say that I have done some checking, and can find no evidence of notability at all. JamesBWatson (talk) 19:53, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

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Bad Substitution

This was a long time ago, but I see that the substitution of User:Ilyanep/Welcome Message ruined User talk:Frostyservant. I am guessing that this also did the same for several other user talk pages.--Jorfer (talk) 16:29, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Jules Delsart

Thanky you for the extra attention you raised for this cellist, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:26, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

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Why was it deleted? I find it a very helpful template. --43?9enter ^☭msg_☭contribs 02:33, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Look at the log Baseball Watcher 02:36, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Is there a deletion discussion I can read? I must find out why it was deleted the, er, 0th time. --43?9enter ^☭msg_☭contribs 02:53, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Hows this. Baseball Watcher 03:42, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

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