User talk:Crossmr/Archive/Archive 08

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Re: Hipcrime vandal

Yes, I suppose the spam blacklist would work until they moved the content to another page - I don't recall what the exact process is to get things there, but I will look into it. I'm sort of curious what the original source of this is, since we have again been hit from several different IPs the moment the protection expired. On the other hand, I don't really have a problem with keeping those articles semi-protected for long stretches of time. (ESkog)^(Talk) 05:11, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

New Essay

Hey Crossmr - I just posted an essay at WP:WTAF that I think is relevant to our work at List of social networking websites. I would welcome your comments and improvements. UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:18, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Feedback at my sandbox

Thanks for providing feedback on the article. Do you think this version can be used after this article becomes unprotected? I removed the empty headings, because I was looking for possible sources but there were none. Feel free to edit or provide more feedback or invite other editors to contribute in the future. Thanks. миражinred 23:18, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Question

Hey Crossmr. I just noticed the warning you sent me. I believe I was submitting relevant information. I guess my question is, why do you feel that gamespot and IGN reviews are legitimate while Gamepro reviews are considered spam and are deleted? I like all those websites and feel that wiki users could use as many perspectives as possible. Your reply would be much appreciated. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deasterday1 (talk • contribs) 22:10, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Assassin's Creed

Is there a reason that you deleted the two external links?. I didn't want to undo your edit if there is actually a reason that I don't know about. MrKIA11 (talk) 23:42, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

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The article IRC-Galleria

Hi there. I see you added a notability tag on the article IRC-Galleria. I think, however, that notability is asserted but the sourcing could use work so I switched to a {{refimprove}} tag. What do you think? --KFP (talk | contribs) 21:04, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... Perhaps. I don't know much about the site nor am I very interested in it. Perhaps someone else will dig up more reliable sources for it. Cheers, --KFP (talk | contribs) 22:17, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Woophy

It seems that you were trying to list Woophy for deletion. However, you didn't follow all the instructions -- you have to create the discussion page, and add the AfD tag to the Woophy page itself. If you want, I can create the AfD page for you. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 00:42, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Never mind, I should've known better; seems I just jumped the gun. Carry on. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 00:44, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

AfD script

After taking a look at your monobook, I see that your code isn’t quite right. The correct template usage is:

{{subst:afd2 | pg=PageName | cat=Category | text=Reason the page should be deleted}} ~~~~

per WP:AFD#How to list pages for deletion. —Travis^talk 02:48, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikisigbutton.png

I was disappointed to see this image deleted. If you do bring it back, please let me know, as I use it in my welcome template...or used to until I noted it was gone today. Best,Kukini ^{hablame aqui} 01:09, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank You, But i will feel free to ask any questions on my talk page from now on! Cammy:) (talk) 09:42, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Opinion wanted on ANI

I would value your contribution at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Proposed community topic ban for User:Tkguy on Asian fetish. Cool Hand Luke 06:16, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Heh. They just got rid of the one edit. Ok, I deleted them, but an admin would be able to look them up because oversight is different than deletion. This prevents the world from seeing it, at least. (History may take a while to be refreshed from the server, but it's gone past your copyright warning). Cool Hand Luke 06:41, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Vkontakte.ru

Why you have removed the reference to clause vkontakte.ru from the List_of_social_networking_websites? Sorry for my English.--Insider51 (talk) 01:33, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

This article have first place in Russia, and 98 place in the world (54 now). Where I can challenge removal? Why analog project odnoklassniki.ru you have left in the list.--Insider51 (talk) 01:46, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

TeenSpot

You've removed TeenSpot from List_of_social_networking_websites citing WP:WEB, but that assumes that the article on TeenSpot does not qualify for inclusion into Wikipedia under WP:WEB. As the article still exists, and until such time that the current dispute over the article's inclusion is resolved, it is still on Wikipedia and thus still appropriately fits on the List of social networking websites. If and/or when TeenSpot gets removed from Wikipedia, it seems only then would it need to be removed from the List. Smeggysmeg (talk) 00:00, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

• I've noticed your vote in Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/TeenSpot, and it looks like that has inspired your action on the List of social networking websites. I would think it inappropriate that you are editing with a personal agenda in mind, as TeenSpot, until its article is removed, still qualifies for inclusion in the list. Smeggysmeg (talk) 00:03, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Mixi

Just thought you should know you got a bit mixi'd up here. with your dates... Rich Farmbrough, 12:34 22 January 2008 (GMT).

Stupid Editing!

I want to know why you think it is appropriate to redirect navboxes such as the Sims. The Sims Series navbox has a few links to The Sims 2 related articles. This was in much more detail. OK, i'm a new user but really you don't need to do things like that. Why did you do that redirect? —Preceding unsigned comment added by SimpsonsFan2008 (talk • contribs) 20:07, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

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Notability on VOIS.com

Hello,

Just wanted to talk with you here about some stuff. I'm the guy who created the article VOIS.com. What you say there is prefectly normal, so my question is, what do you think I should search and what do you think it will prove that this site is notable?

There are other articles with bad notability and i'm not using this as an argument. I already added the notability tags to:

Consumating, Nexopia, Sportsvite.

I'm not doing this for revenge or some other things, i'm doing this because it's not fair to others, and also that's the wikipedia policy, right?

So please check that articles and tell me if they are notable.

VOIS.com sponsored a indi race car and they are not notable, and other used forum links as sources.

Thanks --PET (talk) 15:10, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

How to ban an IP?

Hello again,

Please see this: user IP

He made only bad edits. How can I propose to ban an IP if I see a vandal?

Thanks --PET (talk) 02:14, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Check out WP:AIV. Tuvok[^T@lk/_Improve] 09:09, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Merge Place names considered unusual & Toponymy

Greetings, did you suggest this?

I've just removed the merge header from Toponymy - (been there for 7 weeks) but realised Place names considered unusual is still there -- how long are merge proposals supposed to hang around for??

Hope to hear from you, Regards. BlueOrb (talk) 09:29, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Core

I was wondering if you had any opinions on this (specifically regarding the selection of Korean films). Currently, the ten Korean films on the list are selected solely on the basis of user votes on IMDb. I've already raised several concerns on the talk page, but some other opinions (of any kind) would be helpfull. Regards. PC78 (talk) 04:09, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Attacking a user?

I think you’ll find that it is Collectatonian who was attacking me and another user, I only quoted what he said because I believed it was only fair the editor knew, and did not say anything derogatory about Collectatonian specifically. Edito*Magica (talk) 10:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Look I really don’t want to be at war with you as well; if you read what I have put you’ll find there is nothing on there that is attacking the user. True I referred to her as a “nightmare” but a part from that I was explaining to another editor what she has said, and how I am determined not to let her bullying tactics progress. It’s hardly attacking and I hope my explanation has cleared up any confusion. All the best. Edito*Magica (talk) 21:27, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

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RE: User:Marcopolis

Sorry, my Korean is non-existant! :) I hope you can work things out with this user, though; a lot of the photographs he's uploaded appear genuine enough, so it would be a pity to scare him off. Perhaps it would be best to ask for help on the project's talk page? Regards. PC78 (talk) 16:03, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Zecco.com

I'm a little shocked at how quick people are to label an article as spam instead of taking it at face value. And then go on to cast aspersions on the author's motivation. My motivation is irrelevant. What is relevant are the simple principles of notability, verifiability and relevance of the topic. Instead of trying to tear me down, why don't we work together to clean up both the spammy list of social networking websites and the articles about some of the companies driving the fascinating upheavals in the retail financial services industry right now. --Sabinspeiser (talk) 01:20, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

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WP Films Core list

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ANI

There is a new open ANI on RedSpruce you may want to comment on here --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 10:38, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

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Be careful

There was un"archived" talk in this section only 90 minutes before you archived it. Please be more careful when archiving in the future. [1].--Crossmr (talk) 01:34, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

There was nothing wrong with my archiving there I'm afraid. In the future, if you read the signs before commenting in an already closed section, this won't be a problem. There is nothing else for admin attention as far as the community is concerned. Thanks - Ncmvocalist (talk) 03:41, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

The page was tagged as "archived" soon after its latest comment, and you deleted/moved the section despite a recent comment. That is wrong with your archiving, and your superior attitude that "if you the read the signs, this won't be a problem" and that you claim comprehensive knowledge of "admin attention" and "the community" is naive at best. —Centrx→talk • 07:18, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi Crossmr, I agree with your comments here regarding a rogue admin. I, too, think that the ongoing discussion was ended prematurely and abruptly, and that this user's sysop status should be discussed, regardless of whether he remains an active user. Would you consider taking this to WP:ARBCOM or Jimbo? Regards, ProhibitOnions ^(T) 11:00, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

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Image:Wikisigbutton.png

There is a bot, User:OKBot, delinking this image you uploaded, because it is duplicated on Commons. Are the reasons you uploaded it no longer valid? —Centrx→talk • 07:21, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, you fixed it, my bot will not do that again.--OsamaK 19:22, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Proposals on Template talk:Sexual orientation

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Sanction stuff

I know you're worked up, but if these sanctions take hold with escalating blocks, it's entirely on Beta's head if he blows it after this, and he'll be blocked for weeks on end in short order. Its better than nothing and given the fact that so many people arbitrarily support him, the best possible scenario. If anything goes wrong with his editing after, no one has any ability to say it was "anti BC" stuff. rootology (T) 03:53, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films roll call and coordinator elections

Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 03:54, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank You

Thank you for telling me this idea. And you are really nice, thanks. I just don't get why some people got the image from Flickr and nothing happened to them. I mean, I copied the same way and got the photos from Flickr, but some people are telling me that the photos are copyrighted, and said that I can't get the photos from other people. But other people did, too. I just don't get why. — Weirdo82 14:59, August 23, 2008

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Hi, you showed up on my watchlist. I was only on wikipedia introduction 2 and I had recently posted on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard asking a question. But, I do not see an answer. Please disregard this if it is not applicable. I am a new user so I do not really know how to interpret watchlist yet. Best regards. Johndoeemail (talk) 02:42, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Mathmo AfD

Hi there. Thanks for backing me up. I'm a bit new to the AfD process and it seems a bit weird to me that it basically seems to be impossible to prove that an article is a dictionary defintion. I'm not quite sure what else I was supposed to do! Mrh30 (talk) 12:55, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: updated

Perhaps the {{cleanup-tense}} template is more appropriate then. Gary King (talk) 03:58, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Xfire

Hi Crossmr, You have removed alot of content from the article about Xfire. The whole entire section about 3rd party modifications, is a valid addition, because 3rd party modifications are a big integral part of Xfire's being. In addition, I feel that the April Fools portion that you removed, should be reverted as well, because it was an event that occurred on the website, and is part of Xfire's history. Please let me know your feeling upon this, so I don't have to start a war with you on why the information should be put back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gammasts (talk • contribs) 04:06, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Fansites

And being dissatisfied that you didn't get a counterargument to match your expectations does not equal a green light to act. You opened the discussion, people clearly did not agree with you. Requiring someone to pander to your perception of logic is, in all honesty, one of the highest forms of arrogance.

If you feel you still have a case and can make people agree with you, I'd suggest you add more discussion instead.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 04:06, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

And you were given a counter example of very reliable sources doing the same, even by accident. You presented your points but people still didn't agree. I don't really see where you feel it's your right to move ahead when you open a discussion and the discussion is against a proposal.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 04:15, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

How can you prove to random reader X that what the fansite has is accurate?

Generally anyone worth their grit is going to make sure a website they cite is backed up by another one that can be verfied as reliable that vouches for its content. There are cases such as citing promotional artwork not available on a website or web archive, differences between games that can't just be cited as easily as "cite the cutscene" and so forth. What makes a reviewer more absolutely reliable? For example just today went through Guilty Gear articles and found one reliable citation on 1Up that would have worked for a character called Judgment; problem being the context referred instead to Justice. A simple mistake on a reviewers part, but still there. There's no guaranteed infalability.

Unless you're an admin, I would suggest before you waltz into a project and throw your weight around when a discussion didn't "satisfy" you that you push for further discussion. There's nothing saying individual people related to said discussion can't easily be approached to continue the discussion as needed.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 04:33, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh for crying out loud you're acting like a stubborn bull about this, and don't think I didn't notice you trying to circumvent discussion by taking it to the reliable sources noticeboard. I don't see any further reason to discuss this with you.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 04:42, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

While you're probably used to people caring about your opinion, I really don't in this matter any further. Please respectfully refrain from bothering me. Thanks.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 04:52, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

re: resized image

Really? Sorry, I didn't realize that; I'll take a look. My screen is on 1280x800 so I didn't notice. What text is it covering up--the text to the side, or the section heading below? --Politizer (talk) 04:06, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I'm gonna removing the image of red Han dynasty chopsticks and stuff (it's not a very useful image anyway, compared to others in that article) from where it is located now, and move this problematic image into the Etymology section (a larger section, with a little more space). I don't want to mess around with the article too much experimenting, so I copied the relevant sections over to my talk page and formatted it there...if it's not too much of a hassle, could you go check it out and let me know if it's still covering text (in this case, I think it would cover Spread to Other Countries if it will cover anything)? And if it is, maybe moving it down to about 150px will fix that...you can try experimenting with it on my talk page if you like (I just didn't want to do it on the sandbox, considering that it might be deleted by the time you get there). Thanks, --Politizer (talk) 04:17, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Done! Politizer (talk) 04:29, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

List of X-Americans

Hi Crossmr, I totally agree with your view on these lists. I ask for your help in future discussion concerning their existence (as they are now). Deletion has been tried numerous time, even succeeding, only to be overturned (Check out the AFD histories here: Talk:List of Norwegian Americans. Bulldog123 (talk) 09:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey Cross, you forgot about your discussion at WP:LISTS. Bulldog 07:35, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Re:Don't delete other people's talk comments

Originally, I thought since those comments were not on the AfD itself, and not a vote, and that the problems they pointed has been corrected, it was safe to delete them, to prevent confusion. Sorry if I made any mistakes there. Arbiteroftruth (talk) 02:24, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Allegations of Edit Warring

Those charges were unwarranted, and was simply a misunderstanding based on edit conflicts. I believe your subtle assertions that I have engaged in edit warring (in your messages to Chuletadechancho) was, at the very least, unsettling and upsetting. I would like to see if there way any way you can take a look at your comments, with a view to retraction. Arbiteroftruth (talk) 21:05, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films coordinator elections - voting now open!

Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 01:13, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Xidan

After you !voted, I found an source published by an official Beijing government site. That may not change your !vote, but just wanted you to be aware. Cheers, OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 02:50, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I was just about to do that. Thank you nonetheless. As for the three-revert rule I believe I have avoided violating that, if I did it was not on purpose. Thank you for letting me know that others will look at it. I think maybe the place could be notable however, too much of the sources are anecdotal or about related topics. Even the name of the article is problematic. We need a Chinese speaker to back up any claims made by AoT also. Cheers. and may I suggest you try one of my favorite dishes, Chuleta de Chancho (Chilean pork steak).CdC—Chuleta de Chancho (talk) 03:50, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I am a Chinese speaker, so I can back these things up. Also, I never had any intentions to start an edit war. It was pure accident, and those things DO happen. Why oh why am I being accused of such a vile thing when I am trying to improve the article? Arbiteroftruth (talk) 04:04, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

OK, for the Chinese verification, I have asked a third party to do it. Also, have you gave any thought to the idea that the Xidan station, as well as the culture square, belongs in the same area? Arbiteroftruth (talk) 14:54, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I have an entire Government website area dedicated to Xidan, a well as articles detailing the local attractions. Aren't those enough? Arbiteroftruth (talk)

• Can you take a look at these to see if these are valid proof of the area's notability?
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  Arbiteroftruth (talk) 15:49, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

• OK, I have learned my lesson from the blocking, and I have found evidence that Xidan is a notable place. The travel guides that the Discovery Channel puts out about Beijing mentions Xidan in Page 222. The book is available in many major bookstores. That is proof that Xidan is not a trivial place, and that it exists, in addition to being notable. Arbiteroftruth (talk) 21:51, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• The mention is standard, comparable to other notable areas mentioned within the book. It talks about this place, why it is known, and the goods available in the area. To be quite honest, wny do we need to prove this place's notability with 18 sources (and still be considered to be not enough), when the SoHo article had no references? Arbiteroftruth (talk) 22:55, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• I never had any intentions to AfD SoHo. I was simply making a comparison, which would not even infringe upon OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. I have already given you two sources: 1 source by the Dongcheng Government of Beijing, with 3 pages of coverage on Xidan, its history, its development plans, and its future. The other one is a mention of the place in a travel book. These are your two sources. A third source would be the Times article that talks about Xidan being the home of the Democracy Wall. Arbiteroftruth (talk) 02:10, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

that's about a wall, not a shopping centerCdC—Chuleta de Chancho (talk) 03:19, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• I am seriously going to divest myself from this right now. This has taken me away from other constructive edits. I am going to leave it up to the wind. I am sure that the evidence I have provided, and the upgrade the page has received will speak for itself. Any further comments about this state of matters on my talkpage will be reverted at once. In an additional note, Chuletadechancho, please do not revert the edits I have done to my talk page, and please kindly keep yourself off of my talk page from now on, indefinitely. Arbiteroftruth (talk) 04:29, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Assistance with copyright problem?

Hi. :) In working the copyright problems board, I came upon an article, Pungnammun, that was tagged as a copyright violation, presumably of this source. I would imagine that the issue at hand is whether or not it is a straight translation and hence a derivative work. Since I have no hope of determining that myself but feel it's a good idea to get a second opinion, I'm on the hunt for a Korean-reading contributor other than the tagger. I recognized your name at Category:User ko. :) If you have opportunity and inclination, would you mind taking a look at the situation to see if you concur? If you don't have time or inclination, please let me know, and I'll see if anybody else pops out at that cat. I'm watching your talk page for a time and will see any response you post here. Thanks for any assistance you can offer, or, at least, for reading. :D --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 11:54, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Ah, thank you. :) A translation is a derivative work in US law, and rights to prepare derivative works are reserved to the copyright holder of the original material. But I did not see the English translation at the source, since the tagger didn't specify. Appreciate your help! --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 12:03, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

I'll keep that in mind. :D But, lol, it was more than adequate to help me resolve this one! Thanks again. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 12:06, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Kurt Weber

Went the way I expected it to. All you have to do is be a "dissident" and you will never be blocked, no matter what you do. WR, the site that supports crazed sockpuppeteers and likes to out anyone that "gets in their way" will always protect their own. And how dare you complain? You are just a witch-hunter. Remember, consensus is a "witch hunt", and overwhelming consensus is "piling on." This drama will be repeated in three months with the same results. See ya then! Aunt Entropy (talk) 18:28, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

SecuROM

The "sandbox" rationale that you provided for the reverting of the section header edit is in contradiction to your stated intent with that revert. As mentioned before, be reminded that Wikipedia is not a place for the entertainment industry to advance its own idiosyncratic views on software intended to mitigate the effects of piracy, as per WP:SOAP. Wikipedia content is to present a fair and unbiased view of all sides if the topic in question is controversial; renaming the section header to "SecuROM controversy" is in direct compliance with this standing Wikipedia guideline, as it establishes in an objective manner that the topic of SecuROM is considered (and designated) 'controversial' by notable publications.

All three of the references provided constitute reliable, third-party sources which directly reference to SecuROM as being controversial software. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DaedricDancer (talk • contribs) 14:14, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Please stop spreading misinformation about these sources; each source explicitely refers to or reports about SecuROM being controversial software, and each represents a reliable, third-party source which is known for verifying the content of its publications. As such, the undue weight argument does not apply to this instance. Furthermore, your statement that the controversial nature of SecuROM supposedly is personal interpretation seems a baseless assumption, which the provided third-party sources directly contradict.

Your behavior seems motivated by a bias for the entertainment industry's point of view on this subject, and as such may respresent an agenda. If this behavior continues, I will call for outside meditation in this dispute. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DaedricDancer (talk • contribs) 09:59, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Please cease these baseless accusations of original research and undue weight. One of the references provided refers to SecuROM as being 'controversial' in its article header, and each of them is highlighting the problematic issues of the software in no uncertain terms in their articles. As such, the controversial status of SecuROM is sourced by several reliable third-party publications, one of which is an online article of the Washington Post. Your stance in this appears to be a clear example of WP:IDHT, which is further evinced by the fact that you are the sole editor of the Spore article objecting to these content changes.

Lastly, NPOV is indeed a binding policy. My edits are in fact motivated by the guidelines put forth by the NPOV policy-- a header titled "Digital Rights Management" refers exclusively to the subject from the point of view of the entertainment industry, and completely ignores the point of view of other involved parties. This automatically puts into question the neutrality of the manner in which the section is describing the subject. Two examples of a violation of NPOV are section headers such as "Digital Rights Management" or "SecuROM debacle". By contrast, "SecuROM controversy" merely establishes in an objective manner that SecuROM software's presence in this product has been met with notable criticism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DaedricDancer (talk • contribs) 07:37, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Film Noir

Just wanted to thank you (in regard to your post on User talk:SoSaysChappy about the Film noir article and discussion). I've noticed some slight improvement in that particular section, so hopefully more discussion will generate and and the article will look more like an actual article and not like a discussion page. Thanks once again. --SoSaysChappy (talk) 19:35, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Youtube

Actually, that wasn't me adding the source. Someone else added it and I, figuring youtube to be mostly unreliable, removed it a couple of times. After reading WP:YOUTUBE it seemed more appropriate to leave it in. Dp76764 (talk) 22:21, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

• Cool, good info there. Yeah, I usually remove youtube stuff when people put it in, but had 2nd thoughts about this one since it was 'official'. Always good to learn new nuances here. Dp76764 (talk) 04:49, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes but

[5] you could always become a real admin:) Sticky Parkin 02:29, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Query

Hi Crossmr. Would you please add to your message, "Unless he's Morgan Freeman that isn't exactly a good thing" to provide some clarification. Thanks. -- Suntag ☼ 00:58, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

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Vaccine

Hi Crossmir, I'm one of the regular maintainers of the Dubstep article, and have been for about a year and a bit, I guess. Regarding the Vaccine article, I've added a ref from XLR8R magazine, but besides that, I'd like to assure you that the producer in question is certainly notable within the genre.

A lot of the development of dubstep has been through forums and the like; the scene was originally very UK-centric and geographicaly isolated fans found the forums in question (notably dubstepforum) a good way to interact with other fans and producers of the music that they liked - much like IDM, really. Anyway here on wikipedia we are lucky to have a lot of good reference material for this genre in martin clark's writings for Pitchfork, and his blog as well, along with coverage in wire and the aforementioned XLR8R. I just thought I'd PM you rather than just remove the tag. --Kaini (talk) 23:56, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Tohd8BohaithuGh1

If you could take a look at his recent contribs I hope you'll see that the majority of them are good. However, those he gets wrong seem to really upset people and I wish he hadn't started using Huggle:( He'd got used to Twinkle and there'd been no real complaints since his past issues, until he started with the huggle. But I sighed to see him even start using Twinkle again, after we managed to stop him using tools for a few days after his block. He proved me wrong with it though. I live in hope:) Also, I hope people will see the good contribs he has along with the bad. Sticky Parkin 22:25, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

What I mean is, if most of his edits are ok it would be a bit mean for him to be indef blocked or something, at least as the next step, so I hope it doesn't come to that. I agree he shouldn't use the tools though. As someone who doesn't have to neurotically monitor his edits like I do it's probably less clear that there was a marked improvement after he was blocked, until his huggle exploits in his last few days, so he is capable of editing ok and maybe after all the strong advice he's got he'll now behave again.:) Sticky Parkin 12:23, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Tohd made over 550 edits (mostly rv'ing vandalism) in about the last 12 hours and no complaints appeared.:) Those that I checked were ok. You can't say he's not hard-working and keen.:) It's a fine line though...Sticky Parkin 00:09, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

PSP Homebrew

I have written a voice about PSP programming. The voice was relative to all tools that are used for the PSP programming: I haven't written about one tool, but about all tools that are available. I didn't understand why the contrib has been deleted. Can you explain me why ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.18.173.152 (talk) 22:10, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

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Typo or toilet?

Re: Peter Frank VS. Peter Frank Anderson

Yes and if all of these individuals are notable we should perhaps create a disambiguation page and create stubs with these references linked. They could be flushed out later.--Crossmr (talk) 07:59, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

First I laughed at the typo, thinking it must have been intended to be "fleshed out", but then wondered, and wondered again. Err, were you intending to be an optimist, or a pessimist?   ;-)   Shenme (talk) 08:13, 8 November 2008 (UTC)