User talk:Blethering Scot/2011

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Your request for rollback

Hi Warburton1368. After reviewing your request for rollback, I have enabled rollback on your account. Keep in mind these things when going to use rollback:

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Thank you

Hi Warburton. On behalf of the Wikipedia Project Schools I just wanted to reassure you that your work on replacing and updating infoboxes has not gone unnoticed. Thank you, and keep up the good work! --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:26, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Categories

As it says on Wikipedia:Categorization, Pages are not placed directly into every possible category, only into the most specific one in any branch.. So for example for articles on schools, they should not be in Category:Schools in Scotland, instead they should be in a more specific subcategory, eg by council area, plus categories for primary/secondary schools in Scotland etc. --Vclaw (talk) 13:23, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Stats updates

Hi there, whenever you update stats in the infobox, please remember to also update the stats table at the foot of the article (if relevant). Thanks and regards, GiantSnowman 19:20, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Please ensure that when you do update stats tables, you do so fully - the last column is for 'Total, as is the bottom row. Regards, GiantSnowman 13:00, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks to be honest thought i had think ill maybe just not update the ones with table because clearly i cant do it 13:14, 11 May 2011 (UTC)Warburton1368 (talk)

No problems - another quick reminder, please do not update match stats until a game has finished, as you have just done with David Hopkirk and others. Thanks, GiantSnowman 15:24, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Transfers

As you know I have created & been editing The scottish fooball transfer 2011 & addded the vast majority of the transfers. BUT a user called PeeJay2K3 has been vindictively altering the page because i edited a page he was working on. I would appreciate if you could keep the page up to date as I will no longer be editing the page because of the personal attacks & profanity he has sent me. Please Respond — Preceding unsigned comment added by DUCKISJAMMMY (talk • contribs) 20:22, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Warburton, I hope you will be intelligent enough to realise that User:DUCKISJAMMMY's account of the situation is prejudiced in his favour. There was nothing "vindictive" about my edits, they were purely policy-driven, and I would appreciate not having my name dragged through the mud behind my back. – PeeJay 20:29, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

I wasn't calling your intelligence into question, only hoping that you will use it to realise the circumstances. – PeeJay 20:41, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Guys, shall we try & keep the discussion in one place please? - I suggest the article talk page. GiantSnowman 20:35, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

As i have now stated on both your talk pages i am having nothing to do with the dispute between yourselves. However if you wish input into what i feel is the way forward for the article then i will given it along with any other user on the articles talk page as correctly suggested by GiantSnowman. Please note my talk page is not the place for any disputes you may have. 21:33, 20 June 2011 (UTC)Warburton1368 (talk)

Just to let you know my dispute with User:PeeJay2K3 has been resolved. I have added my thoughts on flagicons & List of Scottish football transfers 2011–12 to the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football page. Thanks for your kind words & I will carry on editing the aforementioned page. (DUCKISJAMMMY (talk) 13:16, 23 June 2011 (UTC))

Would you have an issue with me adding photos & a caption to the Scottish transfer list somewhat like this although no photos at the top just at the side.(DUCKISJAMMMY (talk) 20:58, 30 June 2011 (UTC))

Hey, I won't be online friday-sunday so could make sure the Scottish transfer list isn't vandalised especially the pictures & captions, if you wouldn't mind. Don't worry about the transfers to much I can add them when I'm back, but feel free to add them if you get the chance. Regards (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 19:27, 6 July 2011 (UTC))

Hey I made a mess of the DUNFERMLINE season loan section can you fix it please (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 16:41, 7 July 2011 (UTC))

Yeah thats what I did first time, but I was trying to make it like the Hearts page (even though Hearts have no Loans In they have a Loans In section) I was trying to give Dunfermline a loans out section even do they have no loans out & thats how I messed it up. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 17:02, 7 July 2011 (UTC))

Oh,I see what you mean,think we'll leave it like that till there is a loan out. Thanks for the help. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 17:12, 7 July 2011 (UTC))

Thanks for looking after the Scottish transfer list & adding transfers while I was away, as for the full length transfer fees I don't have an issue with them in the captions, but having them full length in the fee table is somewhat unnecessary, not sure whether I'll reverse the users fee changes yet though. Much Appreciated. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 17:20, 11 July 2011 (UTC))

RE: Kits

Hey, i'm ashamed to say they're not actually my work! They were made by Wikimedia contributor Bruno-ban. I've had a look and I can't see any Hearts ones under Football kit templates so you might want to get in touch with them and see what the can whip up! Exxy (talk) 21:53, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

No worries

I've cut-and-pasted a typo to a dozen pages before myself--it's why God (or somebody) created the AWB. Thanks for creating all those articles, typo or no! Cheers, Khazar (talk) 15:07, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Quique Sánchez Flores

Hi there BURTON, VASCO from Portugal here,

Thank you very much for your help on this matter! Could you please undo him again? I think i'm about to reach 3RR. If he undoes you again, he'll break it, and he has been warned.

If you can't do it, no worries, i'll understand, cheers! - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:43, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• User:GiantSnowman has "danced with the devil", thanks again, keep it up! - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:46, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Autopatrolled

Hi Warburton1368, just wanted to let you know that I have added the autopatrolled right to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the patroller right, see Wikipedia:Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! FASTILY ^(TALK) 20:10, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

2011–12 St. Mirren F.C. season

The St. Mirren squad no.s have been officially released & I have filled them in. However I was wondering how to order the Player List & Disciplinary record list in order of number, in order of position or In order of position & number. The latter probable being the best option. As you are the creator of page I would like your input before proceeding.{DUCKISJAMMMY (talk) 19:34, 28 June 2011 (UTC)}

Got it from ST. Mirrens official site the link is under the player list (DUCKISJAMMMY (talk) 20:32, 28 June 2011 (UTC))

Well cuurent squads on team pages go by no.s .But on season pages there seems to be no pattern so i'll think i will go ahead with postion & no.s combined. If you don't mind. Also Goalkeeper Paul Mathers was not assigned a no. so I persume he was released although there was no official news. (DUCKISJAMMMY (talk) 20:45, 28 June 2011 (UTC))

2011-12 Macclesfield Town F.C. season

Thank you for correcting me on the "F.C." mistake in the title. (Skyblueshaun) (talk) 00:05, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit summary

It may have lacked diplomacy, but I stand by what I said. When the thread states twice already that dissuasion has been attempted on many occasions, saying "if you don't try then it never will" does appear arrogant. Note that I refer to the comment, not the person. Last night the template was used on matches in the Copa America: did you try to argue against live updates with the editors doing that? Or is this trying, the lack of which you bemoan, someone else's job? Kevin McE (talk) 18:17, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Copa America is not on my watchlist, but articles that link to the template (ie articles that are using the template) are easily identifiable by the toolbox on the templates page. You'll probably need to look at 2011 FIFA U-17 World Cup this weekend as well as 2011 Copa América for a couple of weeks. If you think it is worthwhile trying to dissuade people, good luck. I suspect you will tire of the resultant editwarring after a while, as many of us have before. And if you either become tired of trying or are forced to back down by the 3RR rule, please consider whether, when live updates continue, it is better to make it clear that the article is not showing the result, or to allow readers to be mislead by assuming it to be a final score. Kevin McE (talk) 18:41, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Reply to Season Article's

Thank you for letting me know, I do the "match in progress" scores as all other football tournaments allow it on their as I always do them as well so I assumed it was all ok. Please let me know why it is against the rules> Skyblueshaun 00:12, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Comment removal

Could you please explain why you removed my comments without explanation from the "Template:Match in progress" discussion per [[1]]. Thanks. --ClubOranje^T 11:06, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

No sweat, figured it was a genuine error, but did wonder why you didn't self revert. That explains why. --ClubOranje^T 11:18, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Evaldas Razulis

Yeah I noticed that in the source as well, but not sure he was ever officially contracted to Skonto. The Baltic Champions Cup looks like one of those meaningless pre-season tournaments, so he could have been on trial or something? J Mo 101 (talk) 14:04, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Celtic F.C. task force

Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Celtic F.C. task force sign up here. No matter who you support I would be very happy to have your help. Adam4267 (talk) 09:48, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi Warburton here is a list of Celtic matches [[2]] by year. Here is another page which also shows fixtures but does some team lists as well [[3]]. Thank you very much for any help. Adam4267 (talk) 20:12, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

I'll be on for a short while tomorrow morning but then I am away for a week. I wanted to get the Celtic page up to G.A. status as our first task, before we started looking at anything else. Which is why pretty much nothing has been tagged. If you wanted to start on the season articles that would be great, if you want to do tagging that is great as well. There are a couple of sources here which should be quite good for old seasons. You didn't have to sign up to the task force, I misread your first post and thought you said you wanted to sign up, but thanks anyway more numbers never hurt! Adam4267 (talk) 22:55, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

2011/12 Celtic F.C. season

Woops didn't realise I left that out. Assists will have to go if it won't fit. Adam4267 (talk) 22:33, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Okay I have updated it. The apps section needs a template though. What do you think, plain white/black shirt? I'm not sure if five columns per competition is too much though, maybe assists should be taken out? Or the lines should be made bolder after each red card column to distinguish between competitions. Adam4267 (talk) 22:51, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

What do you think about implementing the new Celtic table to other Scottish season pages. Certainly would make things easier to edit when matches get underway also players arriving or departing the club would not have to be added/deleted to both the squad list & disciplinary record list. However I would think it best not to add assists section to Division 1 teams as it would be difficult to research & ultimately keep accurate. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 23:48, 14 July 2011 (UTC))

Kits

Thanks for finding that Warburton. I will try and figure out a way to add them to the Celtic page. Adam4267 (talk) 00:04, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Actually someone had done all the work for me, they were on french wikipedia and the entire thing was in English so I just had to copy and paste. Adam4267 (talk) 21:21, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Hearts Warmup.jpg

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Quique Sánchez Flores

Hi there BURTON, VASCO here,

he lied down a couple of weeks, to see if i would forget, he started again, after i (we) told him through A+B+C player/manager is known 99,9999999999% of the time as "Quique Flores". I have already contacted the admin/user who blocked him the first time, and also messaged the Colombian user.

Attentively, happy week - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 01:24, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Scottish notability

Hi there - yes, both the SPL and SFL1 are fully-pro, meaning players in that league would meet WP:NFOOTBALL. SFL2 & SFL3 are not - but players would still be notable if they meet the WP:GNG. As for club season articles - well that's a murkier area. Personally, I think any League team merits a season article, providing enough sources can be found to justify it. Hope this helps! Cheers, GiantSnowman 19:59, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Did I get the alignment of the images on your user page right?

The Transhumanist 01:11, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Season articles

Sorry about that I was going to update the stats after the match but forgot. I will remember in future though. Adam4267 (talk) 21:07, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

List of Scottish football transfers 2011–12 & TFD

Sorry forgot, was busy with Dumbarton & Dundee season pages. I have now added my opinion & vote to the live score TfD, as for the Scottish Transfer list I didn't add anymore pictures/captions as I was reserving them for the more significant transfers. However I would have liked to have added pictures & captions for Lee Wallace/Juan Manuel Ortiz/Victor Wanyama etc. But unfortunately they don't have images & I didn't want to try source images myself as I'm very much unsure about the copyright restrictions. As for adding a more detailed intro I was going to leave it a while but if you feel you can adequately summarize the present transfers then feel free. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 23:53, 22 July 2011 (UTC))

User:DUCKISJAMMMY/2010-11 Dundee F.C. season

Hey, I just a finished Dundee past season page & before I move it to Mainspace I was wondering if you could give me some help with it as the contents box is in the wrong place & I would also appreciate if you could give your opinion on it & try to spot any mistakes. Regards (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 19:13, 23 July 2011 (UTC))

It looks significantly better especially the division table, much thanks for taking the time to help. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 20:10, 23 July 2011 (UTC))

David Crawfords

Yeah, there's been a lot of confusion on the online statistic sites (eg soccerbase). This is because the Hibs David Crawford, who is a winger aged 18/19, was on loan at Ayr last season. Last season Ayr had a goalkeeper called David Crawford, who was born in 1985. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 15:21, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

The thought of the Hibs website ever being remotely competent amuses me. Worse than the goalkeepers. ;-) Jmorrison230582 (talk) 15:54, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Taskforce

Hi, I have never set up - or indeed been involved with - any taskforces within the Project, so your best bet for more info would be Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Task forces and sub-projects. Sorry I couldn't be more help. Regards, GiantSnowman 15:58, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

I've sorted out the WP:FOOTY template for you. Now all we need is for someone to copy over the sandbox content to the template itself. – PeeJay 20:47, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

No need to copy the text into the discussion page, just tell people that the template should be changed exactly as it is in the sandbox. I'll give your categories a look now. – PeeJay 20:58, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

OK, I think everything's sorted now. The template works in a pretty convoluted way, but I think we're good to go. – PeeJay 21:23, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Sure mate. Just don't make it too frequent, as I can get a bit irritable sometimes. – PeeJay 21:37, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Good question. I've been wondering why it's taking so long. Maybe they just have a bit of backlog at the minute. If it's not done by tonight, I suggest adding a message to WT:FOOTY, asking one of our resident admins to help out. – PeeJay 16:46, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

2011–12 Hamilton Academical F.C. season

Hey Warburton, could you please explain why you reverted my changes to this page I'm a bit confused as to why even the pre-season results from 8 & 12 July are incomplete now. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 17:31, 24 July 2011 (UTC))

No problem (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 21:10, 24 July 2011 (UTC))

Scottish Division 1 season pages

I know your busy with the Scottish Taskforce creation, but I have been updating the Scottish first division sides season pages 2011-12 after their challenge cup matches, which took a lot longer than expected as the squad list & disciplinary record weren't up to date mainly my own fault not updating them regularly when adding transfers. Anyway upon are enlightenment that division 1 sides don't have squad numbers, I removed the number section in disciplinary record but was unable to do so in squad list if you could remove it in one of pages I will do it in the remainder. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 21:10, 24 July 2011 (UTC))

Hopefully there will be a response from the template creator & that it can be modified as it's quite helpful the fact it automatically adds the total. Thanks for the help,good luck with the taskforce. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 21:33, 24 July 2011 (UTC))

I modified the table User:Adam4267 created for Celtic's current season to have no number section & used it on 2010–11 Dundee F.C. season but it doesn't automatically add up the totals like the current template but is possible solution. However it would take lengthy time apply to pages.(★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 23:30, 30 July 2011 (UTC))

Fulham 2011-12

XI games are not first team and are not included in the official fixtures list here - http://www.fulhamfc.com/MatchAndTeam/FixturesList.aspx, so there is no reference available for them. JMHamo (talk) 23:16, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Re: Forth Valley Royal Hospital

I took a look and see no obvious issues with the nomination. I have not checked the article as that is part of the review process. At this time it looks like what is needed is patience. Some of my past nominations have gone seven to ten days with no obvious signs of anyone having looked at them, so a two day old nomination with no review is not uncommon. --Allen3 ^talk 23:50, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Goodwillie

Seeing as you responded at WT:FOOTY, I have also responded there, to keep the discussion in one place. Regards, GiantSnowman 18:58, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Southern League category

I know the category exists but I am moving clubs out of it. "Former" categories are not meant to be used on Wikipedia - hence the reason why the vast majority of clubs are already in the main Category:Member clubs of the Southern Football League. Number 57 17:12, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

No, I just got my edit summary wrong. Thankfully the category was correct though. Number 57 17:18, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, once it has been empty for four days it can be speedily deleted. Number 57 17:28, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Hearts Reply

Yeah it’s really not necessary to have an extra total just for the competition itself. If removed from hearts page its probable best to be remove from the remainder. Yeah I’m just having one of those days. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 21:42, 28 July 2011 (UTC))

I think I'll wait till after the next fixtures for First Division Sides or when I'm adding a player to disciplinary record & delete them gradually rather then make an issue of it. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 22:01, 28 July 2011 (UTC))

Scottish Task Force

Quick question about the tagging for the task force. Will only articles that are created after the task force is fully operational be tagged with the necessary tag (scotland=yes), recently created articles or all Scottish football related pages. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 22:01, 28 July 2011 (UTC))

PeeJay informed me that if you put in a request at WP:BOTREQ a bot will tag all the articles automatically relating to the Scotland task force. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 21:33, 30 July 2011 (UTC))

Sounds good, whats left to do? Any news on the squad list template (whether it can be modified to have no number section), The Raith Rovers season page has a full list of league fixtures I persume they should be removed that the Scottish Football League hold intellectual property rights.(★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 22:41, 30 July 2011 (UTC))

Seems like both bots & admins are very much unhelpful lately, as they have been unresponsive on a number of issues already. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 21:41, 3 August 2011 (UTC))

No problem, I think I might make an importance guideline on the project page. I presume autoconfirmed users are allowed rate pages quality from stub to B. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 23:17, 6 August 2011 (UTC))

I started the importance guideline however it needs more things added to it & for some reason the quality/importance table currently has an error. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 00:23, 7 August 2011 (UTC))

Seems like I took the wrong day to remain of offline, yesterday. Please don't become demoralized over recent developments. I also sent the IP user a message advising him to stop his actions till a consensus is reached. Hopefully he comes to his senses & stops being disruptive. I've reverted all his changes that I could find. As for the taskforce I plan of giving as many articles as i can Scotland tags today. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 06:06, 8 August 2011 (UTC))

DYK for Forth Valley Royal Hospital

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 17:18, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Re Assessment

Can you re-assess the following pages 2010–11 Dundee F.C. season & 2011–12 Cowdenbeath F.C. season as their quality ratings are not consistant with similiar season pages of the same quality, which have also been rated by the taskforce. Thanks (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 16:32, 3 August 2011 (UTC))

I don't mean to be a nuisance, but a response on the above matter would be appreciated, I know you didn't rate the pages in question, but you did assess the majority of season pages that fall under the taskforce so far. If we’re going to run a task force properly it's best that we be consistent with our standards. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 20:27, 3 August 2011 (UTC))

Ok will do. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 21:41, 3 August 2011 (UTC))

Scottish task force

Hi there, I've joined, don't know how active I'll be but will contribute whenever I can - good work setting this up, it's been long overdue! GiantSnowman 15:39, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi Warburton how do you get that table which lists articles by quality/importance. Adam4267 (talk) 18:07, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite, have signed up and will try to be an active participant! Deserter1 20:25, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks very much. Adam4267 (talk) 22:14, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. Thanks for trying anyway. Adam4267 (talk) 23:10, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Of course, I have replied at the task force discussion page. Deserter1 15:22, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Why did you change Scott Brown's importance to High surely it should be Mid? Adam4267 (talk) 23:32, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

According to the importance scale Roberto Baggio is High, Gareth Barry is Medium.
High is Top-rated world-class players and managers.
Medium is Players or managers that have participated at international level or in a top-level league. Adam4267 (talk) 23:41, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

see discussion at Scottish football task force we have decided that internationals are high. Seen you are objecting i have set the celtic and scotland task force importance at different levels. Warburton1368 (talk) 23:43, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

No I am not objecting but you changed the Wikiproject football rating to high when it should be mid. There is nothing wrong with Brown being high on the Scotland task force. Adam4267 (talk) 23:46, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I know you are working really hard on this and are doing a great job and I didn't mean to upset you. Adam4267 (talk) 23:51, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Don't worry about it, you are doig a brilliant job BTW and I completely support you about the at Fully Pro leagues as well. I tried to challenge the rule a while ago but no-one would even tell me how there is a link between notability and full-times contracts. I just got a huge amount of whataboutery thrown in my face. Hopefully the rule will be changed. Adam4267 (talk) 00:08, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Malleus aforethought

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Please don't be put off from article creation and improvement by the recent nonsense regarding the hospital article. As has become clear at Malleus' talk page, he apparently wished to make a political point, and saw you as a means to do so. He can do that, but it doesn't reflect on you, or the work you put into the article, at all. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:56, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

You are a fucking joker. Malleus Fatuorum 00:51, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

No, I'm interested in supporting people who want to contribute to the encyclopedia. Your acting like you have a need to throw your weight around as a result of two failed RfAs, doesn't change that one bit. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:58, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

And now I think your agenda becomes quite apparent. Malleus Fatuorum 01:03, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Well yes indeed it does, since I just stated it; "I'm interested in supporting people who want to contribute to the encyclopedia". You, by contrast, want to use new contributors as a tool in your petty little war. Do you have any idea how repulsive that is? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 01:07, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

You can have no idea how deep a pit you've dug for yourself. But if you feel lucky keep digging. Malleus Fatuorum 01:11, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

I feel lucky. What do you have for me, Mr Self Important, Mr Centre(er) of the Universe, Mr "I have done more for Wikipedia than you ever will" ? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 01:14, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm rather puzzled by your response, but not entirely surprised by it.Malleus Fatuorum 01:22, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

There is no reason for you to be puzzled. I am entirely uninterested by what fascinates you so much. Lacking the maturity to realise that, is what denied you it in the first place - to your lasting embitterment. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 01:32, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

You're clearly an idiot; can you please be an idiot somewhere else? Malleus Fatuorum 01:41, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm on Wikipedia trying to help other people contribute. I'm not here with the primary intent of demeaning other people to push some ill-defined cause. Will I leave Wikipedia just because you find that inconvenient?

... well let's see. How about... no. Sorry to be so troublesome. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 01:46, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Were I a regular editor such abuse would likely be stamped on, but because it's directed at me it never is. Malleus Fatuorum 01:54, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm not really clear why you consider my answers to your question to be abusive, but since it clearly doesn't involve Warburton1368, you're welcome to discuss it on my talk page. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:13, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Bobby Barr

I have restored the set of edits from its last creation so you can not bring up to date. I suggest that you do this quickly before someone comes along and deletes it again. Keith D (talk) 19:48, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar

	The Working Man's Barnstar
	For your tireless work in tagging thousands of Scottish football articles. Adam4267 (talk) 00:10, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Task force-specific importance

Hi mate. Just so you know, you can set an article's importance to a specific task force by using the syntax "|Scotland=High". This allows us to set a Project-wide importance while allowing individual task forces to identify the articles that are more important or less important to them. I say this because I noticed you changed the importance of several articles like Alan Brazil and Francis Burns; I assume this was in an effort to define those articles' importance to the Scotland task force. I hope this helps and that I'm not barking up the wrong tree. – PeeJay 01:41, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Don't worry about it too much. To be honest, I don't know how many people actually pay attention to the importance grades. I only noticed because it affected a couple of the Man Utd articles on my watchlist. Cheers. – PeeJay 12:10, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Watermelon

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Good Article promotion

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Scotland task force/Did you know

Excellent work in digging out the old DYKs! Fantastic. I have amended the tagging on the above page so that only the most recent five show on the main task force page. This is the same as WP:Football, but you can easily set it to show more or less by moving a 'noinclude' tag up or down the list (currently it is above the fifth-latest entry). Deserter1 18:30, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit warring

Warburton, I am going to assume good faith and thank you for your reminder. However, I think you forgot to warn the other editor, with whom you seem to be pretty chummy. BTW, have you ever looked at this essay? Drmies (talk) 16:36, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

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Dealing with IP

I'd normally suggest WP:AN3, but because he is hopping between IPs, I'd suggest try at WP:ANI instead. Lay out your case as calmly and neatly as possible, and don't forget to notify the IP's latest incarnation that you are reporting them. Let me know how it goes/if you need any help. GiantSnowman 18:50, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Two admins have advided you to take it to WP:DRN, which they feel is more appropriate - have you done so? Don't get disheartened by this, it'll all be fine eventually. GiantSnowman 20:17, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

As has been said, DRN is the appropriate forum - take it there, and let the admins do their work. They'll see what's been going on. GiantSnowman 20:34, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Don't let this beat you - take a short break, but please don't leave for good, especially after all your hard work with the Scotland taskforce! GiantSnowman 22:16, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Check at both WT:FPL and WT:FOOTY; there is no consensus to remove SFL1 from the list. If he continues to do so, then it will no longer be a "dispute", it will be vandalism, pure and simple. GiantSnowman 22:41, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

If he PRODs and article that we miss and gets deleted, then we restore it. If he continues to PROD articles for players he knows are considered notable, then that is disruptive, and he will be blocked. GiantSnowman 22:53, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Problematic editing

You obviously feel very strongly that Scottish Division One ought to be on the "Fully Pro" list. But please consider consensus and policy before making any more disruptive edits. SFL1 was removed from the list several months ago because sources did not support its inclusion. If fellow users wish to challenge sources while participating in the talk page discussion, they should be allowed to do so without being subject to edit warring, canvassing and misused 'vandalism' templates. I refer you again to WP:BURDEN which states that if you wish to include disputed material you must source it adequately. 94.14.78.108 (talk) 19:01, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Welcome back from retirement. I'm glad to see your humiliation over at the ANI and subsequent resignation/hissy fit seems to have been forgotten about. Happy editing! 94.14.78.108 (talk) 23:12, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Nae need. Adam4267 (talk) 23:30, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

IP - please don't post on this talk page again, you're just winding everybody up - please keep it to the ANI discussion or at WT:FPL/Footy. You're doing your argument no favours. GiantSnowman 00:05, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Advice

I know I was wrong but I replied whilst angry you just need to calm down and distance yourself from it, seriously. This will all get sorted out eventually just don't try and rush it. What he is doing is wrong and if he continues he will get blocked. Adam4267 (talk) 23:54, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Ok the IP has been blocked for a day. You should maybe take a break from all this tomorrow. Either edit something you enjoy (Hearts?) or just leave wikipedia for the day. Trust me I have thought about retiring before when you feel like it's all going against you but I left for a few days then came back. I would advise you to make absolutely no edits on talk pages tomorrow. No tagging, no discussions, no arguments. Just do something enjoyable. Remember this will all get sorted out eventually, Wikipedia is a marathon not a sprint. Adam4267 (talk) 00:15, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Hope you have a great birthday, Warbs. I won't be on much tomorrow either because I am at the Celtic match. But I am glad you have something, fun(-ish) to do on wikipedia. Adam4267 (talk) 00:27, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

IP blocked

I have blocked the most recent IP for 31 hours (no reason for longer as it's dynamic) and have semi-protected the Ayr United article for a week. The range being used is too big for a rangeblock but if the editor re-appears and causes problems please let me know. Thanks, Black Kite (t) (c) 00:04, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

• I've left the talk pages unprotected as it would seem to be the easiest way to track the IPs that he is using. Obviously, if they return in the next 31 hours they can simply be blocked for block evasion. Black Kite (t) (c) 00:09, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Warburton - should the IP come back and continue to annoy you, don't take the bait - simply ignore him and get on with all the good work you do here. GiantSnowman 00:12, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Do you think Porridge Gobbler is our IP returned? Adam4267 (talk) 22:16, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Was his block inedfinite though, I thought it was only for 31 hours? Adam4267 (talk) 22:21, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Although he has the right to be on wikipedia, and air his views. If he vandalises those pages again I think he should be reported. Adam4267 (talk) 22:35, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Agreed, I may not get the chance to say it to you tomorrow so HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! Adam4267 (talk) 22:39, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

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Scottish First Divison

Hello. I was not aware that I was prodding that many articles relating to the Scottish First Division. However, the articles I did prod relate to teams and player in that league, who were never fully professional. Any football player biography article for a player who appeared in the First Division for a semi-professional team (for example Stirling Albion) and was not a fully professional footballer, and/or did not progressed their career there after, should be opened to discuss its noteworthiness. --Johnelwaq (talk) 16:32, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Notability is not temporary, and if playing in that league at that time gave notability, then the player remains notable. The same goes with clubs who have been relegated a number of times etc. etc. GiantSnowman 17:36, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

WP:NTEMP has more to say on the matter. GiantSnowman 18:20, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Scottish Taskforce New articles

What date do you consider the Taskforce to have been fully functioning, is it the 5 August as thats when you sent invitations to join. The only reason I ask is because of the new articles section. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 11:03, 15 August 2011 (UTC))

Done, I won't send you the same generic message as it would be patronising as you are the creator of the taskforce, but submit any Scottish football articles you created since the 5 of August. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 14:12, 15 August 2011 (UTC))

What the hey?

Hi there BURTON, VASCO here,

After all the discussions we had, a user (is it possible to see if it hails from Colombia as the other anon user who kept reverting us) has changed the Quique Sánchez Flores page again. I have started a WP:FOOTY discussion and asked admin help. The account also wrote a serious unref'd sentence in the page of Ángel María Villar - president of the Royal Spanish Football Federation: "He is a FC Barcelona fan" - meaning IMO the refs are "instructed" to make Barça win.

Attentively - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 01:12, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Falkirk Players

I noticed you were going to create articles on Dale Fulton & Jay Fulton however some new user has beaten you to the punch; however the Dale Fulton article requires attention. Just thought I'd let you know so we don't end up with two articles on the one person. Same thing happened to me with Scott Allan was going to create an article on him than found a one line stub on him. Don't forget to submit your new articles. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 19:37, 18 August 2011 (UTC))

That so bad its tragic, wonder where he got the non-existent squad numbers from. A real same a poor editor gets credit for starting them articles. At least Falkirk are planning on updating their squad section, as far as I know Hamilton don't even have a player section on their website. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 21:49, 18 August 2011 (UTC))

Soccerbase

Yeah I noticed, Soccerway is normally correct although its slower at updating, I had to Email Soccerbase over Scott Allan's stats never got reply & there was no correction will have to send them another one. Soccerbase claims he only made 3 appearances while on loan at Forfar but he actually made 4. I sent them the match reports & everything. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 22:15, 18 August 2011 (UTC))

User:Davham92

I noticed this new user, they have created 4 articles on Scottish First Division footballers although 3 of them require attention & the another 1 was already expanded by you.(★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 18:12, 21 August 2011 (UTC))

New Articles

Yeah you go ahead & do Stirling Albion's season page, was planning to do Stenhousemuir's myself tomorrow. To be honest I have doing the teams with the better websites so I think I will leave Albion Rovers till last as you can see here their website is a disaster. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 18:40, 21 August 2011 (UTC))

I see you found Albion rovers proper website a bit odd it’s on the second page on google when 3 unofficial pages are on the first page. Haven’t been online the last few days had to get stiches in my hand will make Stenhousemuir’s page later today hopefully. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 15:58, 24 August 2011 (UTC))

Nothing serious will be fine, will have a look & see can I added any transfers to them season pages. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 16:13, 24 August 2011 (UTC))

Yeah no problem, I will have to expand Stenhousemuir's transfers then I will do the rest. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 21:57, 25 August 2011 (UTC))

Yeah definitely doing it all at once is a pain, When I did 2010-11 Dundee F.C. season it took forever especially adding all the yellows definitely not doing that again. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 22:09, 25 August 2011 (UTC))

Only really started on them will do the rest later today (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 02:29, 26 August 2011 (UTC))

User:Xxxx693 is User:Lombriz de Aguapuerca

Hi there BURTON, VASCO here,

regarding the Quique Flores issue, it's getting worse: the XXXX user (formerly anon) has created a new account (LOMBRIZ AGUAPUERCA), which has started vandalizing my page (for instance calling me a downright VANDAL!), whilst refusing to engage in any talkpage conversations and/or replying to any messages.

Have already requested admin help and filed a WP:FOOTY report, no feedback still as usual. Is no one going to take action please? Regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 16:11, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

• Yes, saw you reverting him once, forgot to pay my (due) respects to you ;) --Vasco Amaral (talk) 16:26, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

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Hi there, thanks for the invite to the taskforce. I usually just plod away with the Junior football sections and don't pay as much attention as I should to the more encyclopaedic aspects of WP. For example, I wasn't sure if it was good practice to create talk pages for your own articles. You're doing some sterling work yourself here, so if you'd like something like tagging or adding categories done en masse to the Junior stuff, just let me know and I'll try and wade through it. Sgt Elvan (talk) 22:41, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Cheers for that. I'll see what I can do. Sgt Elvan (talk) 23:00, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

I see you are in the process of creating an article on the current Scottish Women's Premier League. Didn't mean to tread on any toes. I started a separate page myself then decided to merge what I had in with the divisional article but a standalone one would be preferable. Perhaps the current women's cups could be on the same page?

Just as an experiment, I've tried reformatting some of the 2011–12 in Scottish football page with collapsible tables. I wonder if you'd take a look at User:Sgt Elvan/Scottish clubs in Europe and let me know what you think? Thanks. Sgt Elvan (talk) 16:57, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

That's great, thanks. The Women's Scottish Cup has reasonable coverage on the SFA site but it's hard to find good sources for day to day happenings generally in the women's game. Most snippets come from forums which aren't the most reliable. A bit like the Junior game, in fact. Sgt Elvan (talk) 19:36, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

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Quique Flores

It has escalated, now the punk has resorted to racist insults in my talkpage. You have reverted him, User:GiantSnowman has reverted him, User:Thumperward too, and he attacks only me?! Mind-boggling. Now i have descended to his level and left a very offensive message in User:Xxxx693's account, could not control myself, this is getting beyond ridiculous!

Thanks for your assistance in Flores' article, happy week - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:48, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Arbroath & Brechin

No problem, you go ahead with creating them. Fakirk have now added player profiles for their squad to their website so you can double check any of the d.o.b you were unsure about. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 13:31, 29 August 2011 (UTC))

Craig Scott

Hi there - nope, doesn't look to meet either WP:GNG or WP:NFOOTBALL, so it looks to be non-notable and a good PROD candidate. Cheers, GiantSnowman 22:57, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Maybe they saw you post on my talkpage? GiantSnowman 15:57, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Fife Cup

Yeah it’s difficult to find detailed information on the Fife tournament, but as far as I know it’s considered a regional tournament much like carling nation cup. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 18:54, 30 August 2011 (UTC))

Another one, The Haig Cup I never heard of it before but apparantly Queen of The South are participating in it tonight see here. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 18:27, 31 August 2011 (UTC))

Is that problem in both the squad stats table & disciplinary record table? A possible solution could be that "Other" is put as a heading in the both with a note that this includes Competitions such as the Challenge Cup & Fife Cup; similar to what’s done with player’s career stats table. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 19:41, 31 August 2011 (UTC))

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I wasn't sure, people usually redirect their article drafts from userspace to the mainspace. I wanted to notify you in case you made a mistake :) I'll delete the redirect. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 15:30, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

I see, no problem. Why did you delete your work? The player's notability is insufficient to meet WP:FOOTYN? --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 15:43, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Well, at least you have practiced your wikicode skills :) Cheers. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 15:53, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Island teams

Ummm, maybe - I think competing in the Island Games could give them notability. What do you think? GiantSnowman 13:01, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes, definitely, good idea. Regards, GiantSnowman 20:08, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

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Of course, mate. Be my guest. Don't forget to put your name on the participants list ;) – PeeJay 15:02, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

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Euro qualifier Group I template

Hey Warburton some IP's have been updating this to say that Spain have won the group. But unless I am really not with it today I think Czech Republic can still win it, however unlikely it may be. Could you take a look please, I think I am right but I am doubting myself. Thank you. Adam4267 (talk) 22:30, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

So Spain haven't won the group then? I think they are just the first team to have ensured a top 2 finish. Adam4267 (talk) 22:39, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

No I've suffered a catastrophic mathematical error 3+3=6 and Spain are 18-10=8 points ahead. They HAVE won the group. It's late, thats my excuse and I'm sticking to it! Sorry to bother you. Adam4267 (talk) 22:44, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Maths is so hard. Thanks for trying to help anyway, although I think that I am probably beyond help :( Adam4267 (talk) 22:50, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Tom Purdie

No, go ahead and create it, then it'll be there for people to expand and improve in the future. GiantSnowman 23:29, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

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Yeah, I will update the season pages after the Scottish League Cup matches. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 18:52, 19 September 2011 (UTC))

Done :-) (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 09:18, 23 September 2011 (UTC))

Ok, Thanks for letting me know hope you enjoyed your break (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 15:12, 27 September 2011 (UTC)).

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Ok but how come it is still in some seasons i.e. Rangers, but not in others? Adam4267 (talk) 22:28, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

You are correct, there is a disclaimer. I will hide fixtures on all appropriate pages. Adam4267 (talk) 22:46, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me. It is kind of confusing now but I'm sure I'll get used to it. Adam4267 (talk) 18:50, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

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Do I run the risk of this article being deleted when I move it to the mainspace as the player is on a part time contract while studying. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 18:17, 27 September 2011 (UTC))

Thanks, will do. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 18:33, 27 September 2011 (UTC))

Name change

Didn't recognise you there, what inspired the new identity? GiantSnowman 18:52, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

I didn't even realise that was your last name. I thought it was something to do with bread :) Adam4267 (talk) 19:07, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

No problem, thanks for the heads up. Sgt Elvan (talk) 12:38, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Player Stats

Hey, I was planning a massive update of all current Scottish League & SPL player’s stats starting tomorrow. With a view to keeping them updated after that. Are you in? (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 19:04, 29 September 2011 (UTC))

Sorry for the slow response I was in a state of shock at the earlier score in the Tottenham match. Well what I was thinking of doing was to start with the Scottish third division as not that many players have articles what we could do is, do half the teams each you do Alloa, Annan, Berwick, East Stirlingshire, Elgin & I'll do Cylde, Montrose, Peterhead, Queens Park & Stranraer. Working slowly through them & checking multiple sites for their stats to see if they’re matching. Soccerway should be ok for their current clubs but unfortunately doesn’t go back far enough with lower league Scottish players. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 20:27, 29 September 2011 (UTC))

Yeah they played good alright, funny how they would've earned more money for beating Tottenham then winning the League of Ireland. Anyway I'll start working my way through them tomorrow. I spotted a few articles without infoboxes so I'll probable skip over them, & come back to them when were finished. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 20:55, 29 September 2011 (UTC))

If you need any help with Career stats I can create the tables for you, as I am getting a bit experienced with them now. Adam4267 (talk) 21:54, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm starting to think this was a bad idea due to inconsistences between soccerway, soccerbase & the guardian. I think I’m just going to update their most recent club stats, & correct all stats where sites are consistent & add infoboxes to players without one. So I probably won't need that much help. I'm going to leave it to mid-week to do the work as the majority of players will be playing to tomorrow & that would further complicate things. By the way I PRODed Filip Mentel. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 18:08, 30 September 2011 (UTC))

That’s ridiculous if they’re going to do a list then do it right can’t believe that they can get a simple list like that so wrong considering the fact they only included the years. Yeah the first article I went to needed to be Proded, the second was correct & then the rest were well let’s say I wasted hours doing nothing trying to find consistent stats ,anyway I’m going to leave it to mid-week. I’ll probably create a few Rugby articles over the weekend. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 18:39, 30 September 2011 (UTC))

Scott Brown

Thanks for the heads up. Its been a long wait but hopefully we can get it to GA. I have a few others coming up for GA nom in the next few months and hopefully they will all pass. They are all Scotland related as well, so it will improve the stats for that. Which are quite poor at the moment, maybe something to look at in the future? Although it is a lot of work. Adam4267 (talk) 21:52, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Actually TBH I don't think it's that close. The history section needs to be overhauled IMO, it is terrible ATM. Ownership & finance, Supporters, Stadia, Crest & colours need a lot of work done to them. As well as the trivia/honours/records sections. I suppose it will get done one day but my current GA projects are Joe Ledley, James Forrest, Henrik Larsson, Scott Brown and Gary Hooper. I have also started on 1967 European Cup Final and will then do Celtic's two other final appearances 1970 and 2003. European finals are quite easy to do as there is a formula for it. It's just that sourcing can be hard to come by sometimes. Adam4267 (talk) 22:42, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Yeh I hate working on SFL stats cos you just don't know if the stuff you are writing down is correct. There's the SFL website which is quite good. Adam4267 (talk) 22:55, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Season Pages

Could you finish updating the season pages, I have all of them done apart from eight of the SD3 teams. As I'm going to take the rest of the day off. I wasted an hour & half explaining something (rather than just reverting straight away) to Rusty which you'll see on his talk page & then he didn't even bothering responding. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 12:43, 3 October 2011 (UTC))

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Nomination of Mark Ridgers for deletion

Have relisted the deletion, as he's unlikely to make debut any time soon. But obviously just get it back as and when he does!

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How'd d'ya mean? Is there a specific way that you nominate deletion? I forget and seem to do it a different way every time.

There rule for Notability for footballers is First Division or SPL, at least that's the way I've always taken it. Ridgers won't be valid until he plays a competitive game for Hearts, or ends up at Caley Thistle in the summer! ;)

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Former Hearts Players

I've been updating The Scottish transfer list which I neglected lately & I was going through the free agents to see if they had found new clubs when I spotted Jamie McCormack he's was released by Hearts & has since signed with Wigan. The only thing I could find was this not sure if it’s sufficient. A similar issue with Murray Christie who has now joined Cowdenbeath here. Do you thing the transfermarkt is acceptable for comfirming a transfer? (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 19:50, 12 October 2011 (UTC))

Yeah I'll probable use that link for Christie so Cheers. Don't know what I’ll do about McCormack. Wigan are generally quiet bad at announcing youth signings they signed Ireland Under 21 International Rob Kiernan from Watford & never mentioned it. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 20:22, 12 October 2011 (UTC))

Forget Cowdenbeath even Broughty Athletic [4] are more on the ball than Wigan. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 20:51, 12 October 2011 (UTC))

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Livingston list / honours

My concern about listing European qualification as an honour is that it is inherently subjective. At what point does it became (or stop becoming) an honour? It clearly isn't an honour for a team that qualifies most (or even some) years. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 22:04, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Transfer list & Inverness

Thanks for the barnstar, there is a few former free agents that need sourcing but I’ll have that concluded shortly hopefully I’ll get the introduction passage written before the winter transfer window opens even though I’ve found it difficult finding any articles about the spending in Scotland in the last transfer window & comparison to other years.

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Scottish Cup

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Re: Transfers

As the term for it is Unattached we simply don't change it. We keep it as what the sources realy say, as he was a free agent at the time. There are few reasons why but the most important thing is that is that once a team relase the player she can no longer receive any payment or affect the move, if we write that he transfered from his former club it will simply be wrong info. As you can see here in those sites, Owen Hargreaves moved to City as Unattached. BBC Mirror Football The Sun The Guardian
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Dean Cummings

I was going to create an article on this Livingston player as I thought he made his debut in league fixture against Ayr on the 15 of October 2011 the SFL BBC Soccerway Soccerbase & Ayr all seem to think so. However in Livingston's match report see here they claim Deuchar replaced McNulty not Cummings. I'm Really confused

I was just about to add the article when I noticed, I have it saved to my computer anyway, hopefully there will be a response from Livingston, I can never get Soccerbase to send me a response. Anyway thanks for contacting them let me know. Cheers (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 23:40, 26 October 2011 (UTC))

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Ok thanks, I will ask him to finish it off once more. Adam4267 (talk) 14:21, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Jmorrison has now finished off the review. Adam4267 (talk) 09:32, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Capitalization

It should definitely be John Gibson (Scottish footballer), the other option would be grammatically incorrect. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 22:47, 31 October 2011 (UTC))

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Marcus Fraser (footballer)

I was looking forward to doing his page :( oh well, that'll teach me for going to football matches. Still you did a great job, thanks. Adam4267 (talk) 00:12, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Celtic put out an article about him after the match [5] but I think you've covered everything about his career so far. I though the game was brilliant, it was a bad start and Celtic could barely pass the ball for about the first 20 minutes but Forrest really changed the game with his run and shot which Stokes tapped in. After that I thought Celtic played really well and both Stokes and Hooper's goals were well taken. I didn't really know much about Fraser when he came on either, all I knew was that he was a young defender but he played pretty well. Adam4267 (talk) 12:03, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

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Marcus Fraser

I'm not sure. I looked around on the Celtic website and it didn't say. He was the captain for that match but I don't know if he is the regular captain. Adam4267 (talk) 19:49, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Dean Cummings

I'd say its probable correct this time as he was an unused sub last week according to Livingston. Feel free to create the article yourself I don't think I’ll be making much contributions tonight after the play-off yesterday went out at 7 last night for the match got home at 11am today. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 18:31, 12 November 2011 (UTC))

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66-67 Celtic season

No, I haven't really been planning on doing anything. Feel free to improve it, that would be really good. I have been working on the 1967 European Cup Final and there may be some useful stuff in there. Thanks. Adam4267 (talk) 19:34, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

That's cool. Adam4267 (talk) 20:40, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Yeh that's fine. Thank you. Adam4267 (talk) 21:05, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi I think that Celtic did win the Glasgow Cup in the 66-67 season. I know that the '66 edition was not completed but I think that may have been the previous year's edition. Most reliable sources I can find say that Celtic won the cup that year; [6], [7], [8], http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Manchester-United-will-not-do-the-quintuple-says-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-article28504.html. Also this source [9] (a random forum) provides the fixtures, dates, scorers, etc. I have no idea if it is correct though.

Ok done that, you've done a great job so far. I really appreciate it. Adam4267 (talk) 23:48, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Yeh I will look at it, I think there are a few changes I'll make but it's a pretty good squad list. Adam4267 (talk) 00:03, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

But they were played as part of the '66-67 season. Maybe RSSSF don't know the fixtures and just assume that the final was played in 67 because cup competitions usually end in the second half of the year? Adam4267 (talk) 19:45, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Dunno maybe RSSSF just don't consider it important enough to make sure they are correct. Adam4267 (talk) 19:57, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

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As I understand it, that's correct -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:29, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Second & Third Division transfers

That’s them finished now sorry I didn’t do it earlier, when you asked me it was around the time I was getting the error messages. Some pages only needed half a dozen others more than thirty so hopefully next time we'll get all the season pages started by the end of May start of June & add the transfers gradually. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 08:02, 18 November 2011 (UTC))

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Football box in Celtic seasons

Hi edinburgh do you mind if I change the football box from Template:Football box collapsible to Template:Fb match2. I personally prefer that a lot more and would also like to have consistency amongst all the seasons. Adam4267 (talk) 22:05, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

I actually find it quite hard to read, I just find all the colours too distracting and can't really focus on the scores. I actually prefer the wikitable best because I like seeing the scorers, but we don't have always them especially for older seasons. Out of the two collapsibles I do prefer the Fb match 2, I just think it looks a lot better and also in the Fb collapsible some of the months make certain matches take up two lines which I think looks a bit odd. Adam4267 (talk) 22:21, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

As long as you don't mind I would prefer to use the Fb match 2. Adam4267 (talk) 15:23, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Haha, I just went into Microsoft Word and did a little find and replace :) Adam4267 (talk) 20:22, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

I would give you a hundred if I could, the amount of work you do is unbelievable. I'm really not sure why it wasn't showing up but when I tried to search or add links for that page it acted like the season wasn't there. Adam4267 (talk) 22:41, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Haha, thanks although I really don't think I'm more skilled than anyone else. Adam4267 (talk) 23:23, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

From this picture [10] it appears to be 17. Didier Agathe wasn't at Celtic that season so I would assume that Wright had that number. I'll do that and a few other little things which I saw but you have done so well in updating all this. Thanks so much. Adam4267 (talk) 20:57, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Yeh him and maloney as well, it is quite easily done especially considering how much work you did. Adam4267 (talk) 21:04, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Hearts players

No problem, the articles were certainly getting a lot of IP attention. Well if they have that many under 19's they better hope a few come through to the first team, but there will probable be a lot released in the summer. Hearts aren't quite as bad as Genoa see here. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 20:20, 21 November 2011 (UTC))

Calum Elliot played twice since his injury a few weeks ago. You should mention that. Reading your profile, you'd think he is still injured, when he is in fact fine and healthy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephendooley (talk • contribs) 20:59, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Transfer List

Well I was going to wait to see what impact the lead section had on the article before considering the split, I finally figured out exactly what I'm going to do with it. Part 1: Something officially from SFA on the window, Part 2: A paragraph on the financial state of the Scottish clubs & comparison of their spending to previous years & to the premier league. Part 3: A summary of each teams activity. Now the problem I'm having is finding sources for how much was spent this year in Scotland & how much was spent previous years & part 3 could be quiet long with 22 clubs. As for the templates 1 stop working then three stopped, so the remaining one could also stop displaying properly but I’ll just remove them at some stage. I don't think I'll split in from September like the English list & if you could help with sourcing the spending if you get the chance it would really help. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 22:27, 21 November 2011 (UTC))

I was in the process of making a pie chart/s for the transfer list but hit a problem you can only have 9 segments, despite whatever the percentages are (completely stupid). Even splitting the teams by leagues I still have too many. Driving me crazy, have you suggestions that could possible fix it. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 22:48, 28 November 2011 (UTC))

I was creating pie charts to display the percentage of transfers in see here. If you go to edit you'll see it won't display the tenth segment in this case Aberdeen. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 18:11, 29 November 2011 (UTC))

Thanks for that, I've contacted the creator, fingers crossed I'll get a response & hopefully a solution. On a unrelated topic, is it just me or is there a symbol (red exclamation mark) on your watchlist when you create a new article beside the N symbol saying this edit hasn't yet been patrolled. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 20:54, 29 November 2011 (UTC))

I'm going to spilt the article, I was going split it from January but that wouldn’t solve the problems & by splitting it from September it would be consistent with other countries transfer lists. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 00:14, 30 November 2011 (UTC))

I don't understand exactly what you were trying to say? It's not the best but needed to be split now (I rather not split it at all but had no choice). The summer article which is now complete has no size issues & well the winter transfer list should be ok less transfers in the winter transfer window then the summer. I think the heading explains in properly if you think it needs rewording then feel free. I think the articles needed to be consistent with other transfer lists that is why I split it the way I did. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 18:14, 30 November 2011 (UTC))

Are you saying Summer list (May to end of August) & the Winter list (September to end of April)? (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 19:14, 30 November 2011 (UTC))

Well if there no MOS on this issue, then I would be willing to change the articles from May-August & September-April if we could come with a adequate title & introduction that explains it properly. I agree it's silly to have transfers from last season & to have three lists for one season because I’d have to start a new article in February. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 19:31, 30 November 2011 (UTC))

I don't think the second title you suggested will work there is no transfers from 2012 in the summer list & I can’t see season working in the title. How about using the current titles but changed the leads to say the following:

• Summer- This is a list of Scottish football transfers featuring at least one Scottish Premier League or First Division club which were completed after the end of the 2010–11 season and before the end of the 2011 summer window.
• Winter- This is a list of Scottish football transfers featuring at least one Scottish Premier League or First Division club which were completed after the end of the summer 2011 transfer window and before the end of the 2011–12 season. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 20:03, 30 November 2011 (UTC))

I think the leads I suggested above summarize it properly maybe you should reread them seeing as your tired. I could put at top May-August & September-April & a note not to be confused with .... (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 20:32, 30 November 2011 (UTC))

We won't have overlapping content when the leads are changed as I can then remove transfers from February to April. I don't think we'll get too much input on this issue on the taskforce page. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 20:45, 30 November 2011 (UTC))

To be honest I was rather annoyed I had to split the article at all after all the work I did. But I think I’ll change the leads now so we don't have repetition on the summer list & so I don’t have to start a new list in February. Yeah we should have a review in May before the creation of new transfer list. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 21:16, 30 November 2011 (UTC))

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I'm sure Jake is fuming. Anyway just to let you now a similar situation to Dean Cummings happened with Aaron Sekhon (v Dundee) but he is still to make his debut. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 19:37, 22 November 2011 (UTC))

I fixed the Current Squad on Airdrie United as it previously looked like this. The page may need a big clean up & certainly needs references thought it might be something you'd be interested in as you did such a good job with Livingston.

Alloa-SFL made another mistake Michael Doyle & James Doyle are in fact the same person. Alloa's website has no trace of a James Doyle & it’s not Jamie Doyle. When their stats on the season page are added together they equal Michael Doyle's correct stats as per soccerway & soccerbase so I altered the page approperiately (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 13:10, 24 November 2011 (UTC)).

Same situation with Gibson on East Stirlingshire (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 15:05, 24 November 2011 (UTC))

I'd stick with an external source & double check with club reports when they become available. The problem is they often have the same mistakes because some of the clubs take their reports directly from externals sources. It's shocking the amount of inaccuracies to be honest. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 20:33, 24 November 2011 (UTC))

The BBC & the SFL reports are normally identical & Sky Sports have their problems as well as you’ve seen, there doesn't seem to be a viable solution. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 15:10, 26 November 2011 (UTC))

This is what happens when players don't have official squad numbers. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 18:30, 26 November 2011 (UTC))

Thats where Soccerway copied the press association's initial mistake. Look here the SFL are using Michael Doyle's date of birth & Jamie Doyle's stats someone born in 1991 wasn't playing for Ayr at 14. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 19:56, 26 November 2011 (UTC))

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I'll have a look at the different match reports & try to make sense of it sounds like a bit a mess. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 14:03, 4 December 2011 (UTC))

Mitchell was probable on trial as he was recently released see here (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 14:08, 4 December 2011 (UTC))

You can safely say it was Danny Mitchell [11] (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 14:19, 4 December 2011 (UTC))

It looks like there was 3 subs, the Guardian, Soccerway & Sky Sports score centre all support the SFL report, I wouldn't put to much faith in Annan's report seeing as they got their own line-up wrong (Bryan Gilfillan displayed twice). (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 14:54, 4 December 2011 (UTC))

Montrose did in fact sign Lloyd Young on loan see here although the clubs didn't seem to bother to mention it. Hope this clears up everthing. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 14:54, 4 December 2011 (UTC))

When I read it initially I didn't notice the goalkeeper part, I’d try your luck with an email after all you did manage to get a reply from Livingston. It's all a bit bizarre & ask about Kevin Neilson as well. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 16:01, 4 December 2011 (UTC))

I think you'll get a reponse from Annan, do you mind if I further reference Geggan stats to avoid conflict with another editor in the further. Peterhead changed their website as well creating dead links, hopefully they'll transfer an archive in the next few days. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 16:19, 4 December 2011 (UTC))

Ask if Neilson was the possible 3rd sub (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 16:22, 4 December 2011 (UTC))

Thats great problem sloved, The SFL are a joke. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 21:23, 5 December 2011 (UTC))

At least thats cleared up, an article could be possible be created for him he's played in the First Divison for Stirling Albion. You probable noticed but I archived the new articles. Did you come across any mistakes this week I did in the Queen of the South Match, Kevin Smith booking. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 17:51, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Andy Geggan

I've been updating the Ayr players stats with aim of doing it to all SFD players & so eventually I can keep them up to date on a weekly basis. Geggan's league stats are fine but the stats for the stats table are a bit confusing where did you get them from they're alot different from Soccerway & Soccerbase. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 14:03, 4 December 2011 (UTC))

It was the Dumbarton one's I was wondering about. But I can see what you've done now, Soccerbase had the right cups stats between 2006-09 & you used Soccerway's between 2009-11. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 15:32, 4 December 2011 (UTC))

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Celtic seasons

Ok thanks man that's great. Adam4267 (talk) 20:16, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I guess I just never noticed them in the other one. The McNamara one isn't necessarily correct because he could be a MF or DF but he probably would have played more at right back than midfield that year. Gould did represent Scotland twice (according to his WP page anyway) although he was born in England and after 1994 Moravcik represented Slovakia. Adam4267 (talk) 20:34, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes it does make it a bit easier. I'll go through the other seasons and see if there's any more things to fix. Adam4267 (talk) 20:43, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Smith career stats

Maybe copy the format used at Greig Spence i.e. also using references for individual stats. GiantSnowman 18:56, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

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Yeh we just need to decide on a hook. Feel free to help with that. Adam4267 (talk) 21:25, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Ok I have nominated it. Template:Did you know nominations/Hurricane Bawbag. Adam4267 (talk) 21:49, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

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I'd call the article Michael Doyle (Scottish footballer) with James "Michael" Doyle in the lead. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 19:21, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Well soccerway & soccerbase are agreed on his Stirling Albion stats & as for his Alloa stats they're pretty much agreed however Soccerbase have omitted his Scottish Cup appearances for some reason. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 21:12, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

You can if you like I'm to create another page tonight :-) ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 21:28, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't be to worried about it, it's far longer then Ross Davidson (footballer born 1993), so little information available for a current SPL player. It's great to have the Doyle article created it'll clear up the confusion over his name. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 20:37, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

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I’m a bit busy with Dundee season articles, I want to expand the written passages of the ones I’ve already created & create older ones as well. So I’ll have to get back to you about Airdrie. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 21:30, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Yeah doing the results bit is really repetitive as for Dundee mite be a bit of a challenge seeing as they were founded in 1893. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 22:05, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Everyone refers to the Scottish Premier League as the SPL but when it was the Scottish Premier Division was it commonly abbreviated to the SPD or was it just called the Premier Division? ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 17:45, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Have you any idea what this is, I thought there was no football between 1939-46 was it some sort of unofficial league.

Thanks for clearing that up, a bit weird how the SFL only listed 1945-46 tournament & not the other Southern Football Leagues that's what was confusing. Do you think I should include the Southern/Northern league & the supplementary cup in the Dundee list of seasons article, It doesn't seem to be in the others lists. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 01:54, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

I think I'll complete the list & then figure out the best way to add it. Probable should be included seeing as they were the winners of Division B ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 02:20, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

What do you think about the intro section, taking into consideration there is a history section still to be added. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 23:14, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

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Could you help me upload this image of the team. So I can improve the List of Dundee F.C. seasons article. Surely the copyright has expired. But I have no idea how to do so, I only know how to upload images from flickr. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 05:42, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that, I'll expand the written passage later tonight & figure out what I'm going to do with the War time football. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 19:13, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Tuples in association football

You are the third Scotsman I have had problems with regarding this article. The first only wanted to list the accomplishments of Celtic F.C. The second kept stretching the burden of proof to satisfy his own person bias. The third, you, insist on editing back to a factually incorrect version that was added in the last 24 hours. This is all recorded in the Article history and Talk Page. I am beginning to notice a very disturbing pattern. If it continues, I will expose it. If you and your fellow Scotsmen do not understand how the Spanish league works, then you should simply not be editing those parts. Ignorance is no excuse. You and your fellow Scotsmen first removed Galatasaray S.K. from the Quadruples list after I cited it. Now you are trying to create your own version of reality for the Sextuple of F.C. Barcelona. I strongly recommend you read the Talk Page for that article in its entirety. JohnMannV (talk) 21:02, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

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Hey I know your busy with whole tuples issue, But wanted to know your opinion on the monthly awards. I added two of November awards to the season pages. Only 2 out of five had been announced. Anyway what I wanted to know was before I added the awards for the previous months is, do you think all seven awards should be included. The 3 managers awards should obviously be included & the player & young player of the month but do you think the ginger boot & goal of month awards should also be included or is it just overkill? The players awards general go to First Division sides as there is no separate awards per league for player awards unlike the manager awards so that may be a reason to include the boot & goal award. Here is an example of what I'm talking about. [12] ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 23:33, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

The goal of the month doesn't reflect the players performance throughout the month unlikely the other awards so yeah it probable shouldn't be included. As for the tuples issue, do you remember the last editor that thought it was some sort of Scottish conspiracy User PorridgeGobbler. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 23:55, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

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I might need some help monitoring this user, he has created five articles two off which aren't notable & I've PRODed. The other 3 are notable but are in danger being deleted via BLPPROD. I'm going to improve them but may need some help. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 01:54, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

My bad I was very tried when I sent you the message after finishing editing McKechnie, yeah Kelly & Fisher aren't notable Ayr were in Scottish Second Division last year, Sorry. While were on topic of Kelly what do you think his real name is Sean or Shaun, his club say Sean but I'd have feeling it's Shaun because the SFL normally use the name under which he has to be registered [13] [14]. Just thought I ask as we may have to recreate the article later this season. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 22:16, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

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Nollaig Shona agus Athbhliain faoi Mhaise Duit to you to. I won't be on Wikipedia much over Christmas but I'll try to do the season pages. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 22:35, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Cheers mate and merry Christmas to you as well. Adam4267 (talk) 22:45, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks EW, nice touch, merry Christmas to you all. I'll be in & out over the holidays, so see you properly in 2012 for another good year of editing! GiantSnowman 09:35, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

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Yeah, try a trial with a template for the Third Division & see what it looks like. I won't be back properly until later today maybe tommorrow. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 13:56, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

International youth stats

No, unfortunately not, the English FA website is horrendous to navigate - which is a real shame, it has the potential to be such a great resource. GiantSnowman 17:00, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

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