User talk:Malleus Fatuorum
"It was reading the ultimate paragraph of this post: [1] that finally convinced me it was time to go, yes, Hans is quite right, I am stuck in a vicious circle and there was no likelihood of things improving."—Extract from Giano's retirement statement
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I'm fucking pissed off with this fucking place ...
... so please don't anyone ask me to look at another article until I feel a little more sanguine about the blatant dishonesty and hypocrisy on display here every single day. Get one of those fucking administrators to help you with your GAN or FAC, if you can find one able to string more than two sentences together without licking his pencil. Malleus Fatuorum 18:27, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
- In the end the administrators always win, because they're an organised and official body whereas I'm just a lone Joe. So I'm off to join Giano and Hans Adler in a better place. Anywhere but here basically. Malleus Fatuorum 20:27, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
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- So am I; there's much fucked-up here. I'll go ask Scott to cut some slack. He's not a bad guy. But the drama-whores are (and they're mostly guys;).
- Any ways, as we were chatting about, I took Halifax Gibbet further wrt to ref and note structure. Seemed an apt topic given all the shite. And see Lynching of Jesse Washington for the cultural gap that drives most of the bat guano insane stuff. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 20:50, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
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- Do with it as you will, no longer any concern of mine. Malleus Fatuorum 20:53, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
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- Terima kasih. Might I suggest a few belts of fine Scotch? Br'er Rabbit (talk) 21:00, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
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- Good article, interesting read. Sickening pictures. Parrot of Doom 21:04, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
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- Thanks, it was a tough one to work on, but I'm glad I pushed myself now. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:12, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
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- It's at FAC, now, and is very interesting. The postcard was cut for some reason. It's not the pictures that are bothersome, it's the culture that drove it all. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 21:14, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
- Hopefully the postcard will be back in soon, NM pointed out that the date it was originally published is unknown so I took it out while I did some more investigation. But yeah, the pictures of Washington's burnt body are disturbing, but the smiles on the faces of the spectators are perhaps even more troubling. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:21, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
- Hope it can come back. Due to the archive box, here, the postcard is dropping below it, so... Br'er Rabbit (talk) 21:28, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
- Hopefully the postcard will be back in soon, NM pointed out that the date it was originally published is unknown so I took it out while I did some more investigation. But yeah, the pictures of Washington's burnt body are disturbing, but the smiles on the faces of the spectators are perhaps even more troubling. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:21, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
- It's at FAC, now, and is very interesting. The postcard was cut for some reason. It's not the pictures that are bothersome, it's the culture that drove it all. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 21:14, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
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- I'm off out shortly; I may be gone some time, but I won't be coming back here. Anyone who wants to get in touch can email me. Over and out. Malleus Fatuorum 21:07, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
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- Have the whole bottle, Oates, and chill. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 21:14, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
- Speaking of weird there's this article - Lynching of Laura and Lawrence Nelson, about which Woody Guthrie wrote this song [2] partly because his dad took part in the lynching...Modernist (talk) 21:34, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
- For what it's worth they made postcards of this lynching too; better version of the song - [3]...Modernist (talk) 22:01, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
- They're selling postcards of the hanging - Bob Dylan - Desolation Row 1965...Modernist (talk) 13:30, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
- And guess what; even the admin clique are pissed off too. And since I can (unbelievably) string more than one sentence together, if you're at a loose end in the West Midlands (until the end of August) or North Yorkshire (after that) then chuck me an email, because even for someone who works in education I suspect a few beers might be enlightening; take care in the meantime, Black Kite (talk) 22:34, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
- For biguns-in-dispute, skip teh WP:Teahouse, and hit the pub. Really, it would work wonders. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 22:40, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
- (Damn, can't find my pencil...) As another contributor what 'appens to think that his content contributions will be a damn sight more useful in the long run than the odd vandalblock he performs, but that your contributions are more valuable still, let me add geographically to Black Kite's offer of beers: I can cover London and / or Anglesey. Anyone else? BencherliteTalk 22:58, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
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(edit conflict)If you're ever in the states, It's on me. (I don't see how you can drink em hot by the way.)--SKATER Is Back 23:01, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
- I can cover Manchester and the Abergele area. In fact, I already have! - Sitush (talk) 10:26, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
- I got Toronto covered. OhanaUnitedTalk page 02:11, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
- I can cover Manchester and the Abergele area. In fact, I already have! - Sitush (talk) 10:26, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
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(edit conflict)If you're ever in the states, It's on me. (I don't see how you can drink em hot by the way.)--SKATER Is Back 23:01, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
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- (Damn, can't find my pencil...) As another contributor what 'appens to think that his content contributions will be a damn sight more useful in the long run than the odd vandalblock he performs, but that your contributions are more valuable still, let me add geographically to Black Kite's offer of beers: I can cover London and / or Anglesey. Anyone else? BencherliteTalk 22:58, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
- For biguns-in-dispute, skip teh WP:Teahouse, and hit the pub. Really, it would work wonders. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 22:40, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
- For what it's worth they made postcards of this lynching too; better version of the song - [3]...Modernist (talk) 22:01, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
- Speaking of weird there's this article - Lynching of Laura and Lawrence Nelson, about which Woody Guthrie wrote this song [2] partly because his dad took part in the lynching...Modernist (talk) 21:34, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
- Have the whole bottle, Oates, and chill. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 21:14, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
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New Forest. And Ringwood Brewery real real ale. Soft as silk, mellow as velvet. And the inimitable Forest as a backdrop. Pesky (talk) 16:03, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
- Hear, hear, and let's have it right (hot beer indeed!). We don't drink traditional English beer warm - it just shouldn't be drunk ice cold. A good full-flavoured ale, like Bombardier or Abbot Ale, should be drunk at cellar temperature, which is few degrees below room temperature. If you chill it you kill the flavour completely. Chillers are ok for lagers but not good English ale. And as for that cold fizzy stuff in cans like Budweiser, well - words fail me! Having said that Malleus doesn't like bitter - he drinks lager. Richerman (talk) 19:23, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
- Budweiser? What does that have to do with ales and lagers? Nobody Ent 20:55, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
- I'd like to add that if you ever make it to Edinburgh, there's a pint of Deuchars IPA for you. --John (talk) 05:53, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
I was thinking exactly the same thing Malleus...♦ Dr. Blofeld 05:59, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
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- Oh the Irony...--SKATER Is Back 23:05, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
- Just so we know who actually contributes content. Bencherlite, I don't know: it was neither ArbCom nor representative admins who made this mess. Drmies (talk) 23:39, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
- I entirely agree; I rarely comment on MF's troubles outside his talk page because I am so obviously in his debt for all his assistance with my work here that anything I say would be immediately discounted on that account. I know MF knows that not every admin ought to be damned to high heaven (I know he's prepared to make exceptions from his general rule, particularly as he admitted to me once that he had forgotten that I was an admin!); but after my third whisky of the evening, I fancied a spot of mildly vandalistic copyediting in a safe environment. BencherliteTalk 00:10, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
- You're an admin? I'm shocked. Maybe you should block me for incivility; apparently I overstepped my boundaries today. Drmies (talk) 01:12, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
- Thought admins could block themselves... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:41, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
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- I don't do civility (un)blocks because I have better things to do than spend hours justifying myself to an ad-hoc Board of Inquiry minded to shoot first and ask questions later. I'd rather get on with my day job, if truth be told... Yes, admins can block, and unblock, themselves, although I've never tried it because I gather that server kitties die every time an admin tries it. BencherliteTalk 01:51, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
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- Well, we certainly don't want them to die. And you can't delete the MP either... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:01, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
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- Drmies, you weren't the only one expressing uncharacteristically forthright views yesterday - there is seriously something wrong when such calm, collected, and obviously reasonable folks feel moved to comment so bluntly about the excrement-blenders. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:09, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
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- I agree with Boing! Regarding admins blocking themselves, well, that would be contrary to WP:INVOLVED ;) - Sitush (talk) 10:23, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
- I understand the frustration, but I'm genuinely concerned about more than just this incident. I've said as much to him on his talk page. There is a pattern of hostility toward other editors that I'm not comfortable with. I had not paid any attention to SW until the unblocking of Kiefer, which I thought he handled poorly enough I had to indirectly tell him to leave. Since then, I've found myself cringing a bit when I see him at ANI, as he seems to be growing increasingly insensitive to other editors. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 10:55, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
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- One thing I've found interesting is how people react to MF. I guess in a way I've used him as something of an asshole detector, which for a Wikinewbie has been both interesting and instructive. From everything I've seen he was always friendly and welcoming to those who approached him in a civilized manner, and I never really thought his outbursts were that bad. Abrasive in some cases, sure. But not as horrific as some seem to think. But I must admit that I've formed some opinions about admins (and others) based on their reactions to him. And often when I've taken a look at how those folks interact with people other than MF, it's confirmed my initial estimation. As a casual editor, I'd be very reluctant to approach SW, for example, based on his example here and some other places. And there are others that I feel the same way about. But YMMV, of course. Intothatdarkness (talk) 14:01, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
- I thought that SW handled himself well at his RfA; from what I remember he'd been much more approachable the months before. No one will argue that early on in his career he was a pleasure to work with (his name then was appropriate) but he did useful work. Maybe this is one of those cases where someone makes friendly before running for admin, I don't know. Malleus is an acquired taste, of course, but one of the things that I loathe about this persistent MF-hounding is that we all get divvied up into camps again. Apparently I'm in his harem, whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean. From what I can tell, there is more cohesion on the other side, the side of his detractors, than on this side. Who's the sheik on the detractors' side? Who are the bitches? (eh, "harem girls") Never mind--don't answer that. I just came by, really, to say "Hey Malleus, what's up? I just finished Ultramarine and was a bit disappointed." Drmies (talk) 14:26, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
- Fortunately, they both forcefully opposed me at my RfA (odd to say, isn't it?), but as I believed them both were acting in good faith, there has never been any hard feelings. I'm as unaffiliated as you can get, I suppose. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 16:48, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
- I thought that SW handled himself well at his RfA; from what I remember he'd been much more approachable the months before. No one will argue that early on in his career he was a pleasure to work with (his name then was appropriate) but he did useful work. Maybe this is one of those cases where someone makes friendly before running for admin, I don't know. Malleus is an acquired taste, of course, but one of the things that I loathe about this persistent MF-hounding is that we all get divvied up into camps again. Apparently I'm in his harem, whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean. From what I can tell, there is more cohesion on the other side, the side of his detractors, than on this side. Who's the sheik on the detractors' side? Who are the bitches? (eh, "harem girls") Never mind--don't answer that. I just came by, really, to say "Hey Malleus, what's up? I just finished Ultramarine and was a bit disappointed." Drmies (talk) 14:26, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
- One thing I've found interesting is how people react to MF. I guess in a way I've used him as something of an asshole detector, which for a Wikinewbie has been both interesting and instructive. From everything I've seen he was always friendly and welcoming to those who approached him in a civilized manner, and I never really thought his outbursts were that bad. Abrasive in some cases, sure. But not as horrific as some seem to think. But I must admit that I've formed some opinions about admins (and others) based on their reactions to him. And often when I've taken a look at how those folks interact with people other than MF, it's confirmed my initial estimation. As a casual editor, I'd be very reluctant to approach SW, for example, based on his example here and some other places. And there are others that I feel the same way about. But YMMV, of course. Intothatdarkness (talk) 14:01, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
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- You're an admin? I'm shocked. Maybe you should block me for incivility; apparently I overstepped my boundaries today. Drmies (talk) 01:12, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
- I entirely agree; I rarely comment on MF's troubles outside his talk page because I am so obviously in his debt for all his assistance with my work here that anything I say would be immediately discounted on that account. I know MF knows that not every admin ought to be damned to high heaven (I know he's prepared to make exceptions from his general rule, particularly as he admitted to me once that he had forgotten that I was an admin!); but after my third whisky of the evening, I fancied a spot of mildly vandalistic copyediting in a safe environment. BencherliteTalk 00:10, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
- Just so we know who actually contributes content. Bencherlite, I don't know: it was neither ArbCom nor representative admins who made this mess. Drmies (talk) 23:39, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
- Oh the Irony...--SKATER Is Back 23:05, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
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- Heh, I read "asshole detector" as "asshole dictator." --MZMcBride (talk) 21:01, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
- Naw...I'm sure there are far better candidates for that title. Intothatdarkness (talk) 21:07, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
- Heh, I read "asshole detector" as "asshole dictator." --MZMcBride (talk) 21:01, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
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E. J. Thribb
So. Farewell then
Malleus Fatuorum.
Admin fighter.
It would seem that
You have gone
But have you?
We have been
Pleasantly surprised before
So why not now?
But then. Does
Anyone really escape Wikipedia?
This is the enigma.
Then farewell
So.
GwenChan 21:38, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
E. J. Thribb2
So. Farewell then
Malleus Fatuorum.
Admin fighter. R.I.P.
"F*** off you stupid c***" that
was your catchphrase
along with
"How old are you, you moronic elitist admin scum,
17½ ?! .. I think we should be told."
so, Rant In Peace, or not
if that's more radical
and bloody annoying.
109.153.212.197 (talk) 22:58, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
Withdrawal
Malleus, I would be sorry to see you go. I have often not agreed with you although, if memory serves in my advancing years (68), I have infrequently felt the need to say so. And sometimes I have agreed with you. But I do feel that this organisation needs a goad,or at least an opposition position, which you among others have for a long time succeeded in being. The project will be worse without you. --Anthony Bradbury"talk" 22:15, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
- Anthony,
- Too little, too late, given your too much, too soon actions yesterday.
- An honorable thing would be to apologize for behaving like a 16 year-old little shit yesterday and strike your comment at the RfA.
- Then, you would be in a position with credibility. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 22:22, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
- Kiefer, lets not continue this issue with more personal attacks. Would you be willing to strike the attack from your comment? I am aware of Anothony's comment at the RfA and I do believe it was unnecessary, but you should realize that his most recent comment was made in good faith. Why attack him over it? Ryan Vesey Review me! 22:26, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
- Ryan (and others): people are hurting about this. People snap when they hurt. I don't even know how to respond (I lost my mother yesterday, and what with all the end-of-life stuff going on, I was totally unaware of the dramahz until way too late). I feel guilty about having supported SW at his RfA. I made a grave error of judgment there. Pesky (talk) 05:06, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
- Dude, Pesky, sorry to here about your mother. Ryan Vesey Review me! 05:25, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Ryan,
- My comment was about Anthony's obnoxious comment---perhaps from confusing himself with U.S. Marshal Raylan Givens---and not about Anthony.
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Kiefer.Wolfowitz 07:11, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
- Kiefer, you are wholly entitled to your opinion, as are we all. But it is preferable to express it without insult. And Malleus is well able to defend himself, should he choose to.--Anthony Bradbury"talk" 20:26, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
- Anthony,
- You behaved obnoxiously, and you need to deal with your mistake.
- Until you do so, your comments will receive the attention of a bucket of warm spit. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 22:16, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
- Kiefer, your first sentence is fine (a strongly worded opinion). Can you not see that your second sentence (the one referring to a bucket of warm spit) can itself be seen as obnoxious and insulting by some (maybe many)? As Anthony said, you are entitled to your opinion, but it is possible to express it without insult. You might think you are commenting on the comment, but you are doing so in an idiosyncratic way, with unnecessary (and frankly bizarre) imagery. Having said that, the whole conversation is best continued (if at all) at either your talk page or Anthony's talk page. There is no need to drag out a disagreement between you and Anthony on this talk page, especially when the section started with Anthony trying to say something to Malleus, but instead he ended up talking to you (and Ryan, and Pesky, and now me). There really needs to be a template around for use on user talk pages that says something like "if you want to comment on what I've just said, before the user I left the message for has had a chance to reply, please feel free to do so, but please do so in a new section or subsection, or on my talk page, and not directly in response to what I've said here, as this message is really for the user whose talk page this is, not for others watching". Though it shouldn't really be necessary to say that. Carcharoth (talk) 08:00, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
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- Hi Carcharoth!
- I am responding to Anthony's mistreatment of Malleus at the RfA, which (depending on its timing) could have been the mistreatment that caused him to leave. Have you responded to this public demeaning mistreatment there? Why do you care more about my comment than about Anthony's mistreatment of Malleus?
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Kiefer.Wolfowitz 16:31, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
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- You're just beating up on Anthony. Your disagreement with Anthony's conduct doesn't permit you to attack him. Indeed, it undermines your credibility as you come off as a hot head who thinks that just because he (apparently) lacks respect for another editor means he's entitled to scream at him. I can't imagine you would apologize, but at least you could just drop it.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:44, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
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- I completely agree. I sometimes wonder why Malleus didn't get annoyed with the long conversations others have about subjects not necessarily related to him, on his talk page. Parrot of Doom 08:07, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Parrot of Doom! You seem not to have read the RfA. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 16:31, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
- Parrot, come on now. The world revolves around MF, that much is clear: all subjects are related to him, if only because he had the nerve to improve articles on just about every subject in the world. Since he's omnipresent, he is immaterial. Dr "Just a settler" Mies (talk) 03:51, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
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- Kiefer, your first sentence is fine (a strongly worded opinion). Can you not see that your second sentence (the one referring to a bucket of warm spit) can itself be seen as obnoxious and insulting by some (maybe many)? As Anthony said, you are entitled to your opinion, but it is possible to express it without insult. You might think you are commenting on the comment, but you are doing so in an idiosyncratic way, with unnecessary (and frankly bizarre) imagery. Having said that, the whole conversation is best continued (if at all) at either your talk page or Anthony's talk page. There is no need to drag out a disagreement between you and Anthony on this talk page, especially when the section started with Anthony trying to say something to Malleus, but instead he ended up talking to you (and Ryan, and Pesky, and now me). There really needs to be a template around for use on user talk pages that says something like "if you want to comment on what I've just said, before the user I left the message for has had a chance to reply, please feel free to do so, but please do so in a new section or subsection, or on my talk page, and not directly in response to what I've said here, as this message is really for the user whose talk page this is, not for others watching". Though it shouldn't really be necessary to say that. Carcharoth (talk) 08:00, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
- Kiefer, you are wholly entitled to your opinion, as are we all. But it is preferable to express it without insult. And Malleus is well able to defend himself, should he choose to.--Anthony Bradbury"talk" 20:26, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
- Ryan (and others): people are hurting about this. People snap when they hurt. I don't even know how to respond (I lost my mother yesterday, and what with all the end-of-life stuff going on, I was totally unaware of the dramahz until way too late). I feel guilty about having supported SW at his RfA. I made a grave error of judgment there. Pesky (talk) 05:06, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
- Kiefer, lets not continue this issue with more personal attacks. Would you be willing to strike the attack from your comment? I am aware of Anothony's comment at the RfA and I do believe it was unnecessary, but you should realize that his most recent comment was made in good faith. Why attack him over it? Ryan Vesey Review me! 22:26, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
Changing times
Robert Heinlein, despite having died in 1988 described/predicted the themes that are playing out here. You are a WIki pioneer who exemplifies Heinlein's themes of "the importance of individual liberty and self-reliance." In an early adoption 'content is king' pioneer society rough edges were overlooked. However Wikipedia has grown into a settlement society with its "tendency of society to repress nonconformist thought." In Heinlein's novels the protagonist tended to get pissed off and move on when the settlers came in and starting passing stupid laws and rules.
It's now pretty much an 'adapt or die' situation. With each passing month there are more and more settlers and fewer and fewer pioneers. You know what the expectations are and, unless pounding your (metaphorical) head against the wall gives you joy -- what's the point? Nobody Ent 10:53, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{YGM}} template.
--Anthony Bradbury"talk" 21:33, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
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