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Oral history as references edit

Hi, Trying to get back into contributing to the wikipedia.

I'd like to add an article about Richie Riley, a Jamaican born dancer and community activist. He has a broadsheet obit but next to nothing published about him over a few brief lines. However, he has oral history interviews at Black Cultural Archives and the British Library. Unfortunately both have fairly brief catalogue descriptions. Is it possible to use the oral history interviews as references?

This page gives some guidance but I'm still not sure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Library/Cultural_Professionals#As_References

Thanks for your help Eartha78 (talk) 17:12, 4 August 2015 (UTC)Eartha78

Hi, the place to check is Wikipedia:No_original_research#Primary.2C_secondary_and_tertiary_sources. According to the policy it is Ok to use primary sources provide you are careful about infroducing any interpretation that could be original research. Leutha (talk) 12:40, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Cheers! Eartha78 (talk) 00:22, 6 August 2015 (UTC)Eartha78

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Hi. It was a real pleasure meeting you at the science conference. I'm sorry we didn't get to spend more time together. (I'm the Australian guy.) You mentioned you might point me to your paper on Neurath. I'd like to read it, if you'd still like to share it. Your summary when we first met, and a comment you made after one of the presentations, have piqued my interest. (Don't expect anything like informed criticism from me, though. I know next to nothing about 20th century philosophy.) --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 10:13, 4 September 2015 (UTC) Thank you, Tony, it was great to meet you. The paper will be ready in two weeks,it's my MSc dissertation. After that I will be sharing it. In fact it looks at Neurath in a broader context than philosophy, I kind of feel he got involved in philosophy because that was what was required for his conception of broader democratic access to knowledge, so don't worry about it being over philosophical. I am also doing work ready for when Neurath goes out of copyright in January,. Leutha (talk) 10:36, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Cool. I look forward to it. (There's a nice photo of you and Jacob talking in the lunch room on Commons.) --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 02:43, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

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Hi, Leutha! Hope you're OK. Two of our recent Wikipedia-and-food participants have asked me a question which amounts to "What does it mean when I get an email to say that my sandbox was patrolled? Is it threatening?" I didn't know -- I have been a Wikipedian since 2005 without ever knowing of this feature -- but by searching I found the MediaWiki page about patrolling, so now I think I understand what it is. We even have it on the Latin Vicipaedia. You live and learn. But, after having read the MediaWiki page, I still can't see why anyone would patrol a sandbox page (resulting in a disturbing email to the sandbox user). Can you perhaps understand it? Do you think it was, in essence, a mistake? Or does it happen to nearly everybody? I have user subpages too, but I never got an email about any of them ... Andrew Dalby 18:40, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

I agree it does sound a bit menacing. Basically when people are still quite new, the pages get patrolled for vandalism. Most vandalism comes from new accounts, as the old accounts get blocked quite quickly. You haven't experienced this, I guess, because you already had plenty of edits when it was introduced a while ago. Even user subpages can be problematic if they are attack pages, so I suppose that's why they get patrolled as well.Leutha (talk) 22:01, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
Ah, I see. Of course, there can be attack pages lurking in userspace -- never thought of that angle. I'll pass the explanation on. Andrew Dalby 08:37, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Ways to improve Dieter Langewiesche edit

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I have read your message on my talk page. I have removed the tag saying it was an advertisement. Catmando999 Check out his talk page! 09:32, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

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The Last Supper (Crespi) edit

It's not an article, so why to write something?Xx236 (talk) 06:52, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Time is a great healer. Leutha (talk) 07:00, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks edit

I was a bit miffed last night, but I'm over it now. I understand where the editor was coming from, but I feel that they were forcing their own ideas of how Wikipedia should run rather than considering that other editors work in different ways. A 24 hour wait before enforcing moved etc, is not too much to ask and it doesn't damage the encyclopedia. I hope your experience wasn't too damaging, but sometimes you just need to put things down to experience and move on. Happy editing FruitMonkey (talk) 22:24, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

It also looks like other editor took up our baton and s/he has decided to no longer move to draft, so that's a result. Thanks for the update to the Plebs' League article too. FruitMonkey (talk) 22:37, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

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I am based in East London and look forward to meeting you at the meet-up in Canary Wharf on November 23rd! I am new to Wikipedia and so look forward to tips on what can be done and how?

kind regards Armond Dean (talk) 15:17, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Leutha,

Of course, I mean the meeting at Canary Wharf on Tuesday 24th November.

How will the Wikipedias recognise each other? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Armond Dean (talk • contribs) 15:43, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

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I strayed over to Semi-detached- culled a bit and started to look for references. That was easy- but how do I play it http://www.pia-journal.co.uk/articles/10.5334/pia.404/ has everything and the whole text is tagged as CC BY 3.0. It is almost the article we need. It is fully referenced to our standards. I have never come across that before. Does that allow me to cut and paste- how do I credit it- how do I fight off the plagiarism bots. Have you any advice on this?

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This is confirmed for the 13th. They are promoting it in the next few days and say they already have a lot of interest. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:32, 18 January 2016 (UTC) Thanks for that. I can confirm I shall be there as well! Leutha (talk) 13:08, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

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Hi Leutha. It was good to meet you at the recent London meetup and thanks for bringing the banner - which I'll put to good use next week. You mentioned some possible contacts with connections to Hitchin (the college, a makers club(?), and a Wiki UK person?). If you get a chance to give them a reminder about the Hitchin meetup that would be good. I've also emailed Hitchin Camera Club on the off chance that some of their members might be interested. Hope to see you in the near future at Hitchin or London. Cheers Robevans123 (talk) 15:46, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

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I got into research on her by chance (Alfred Gurney, a lesser figure in fact, and he came via the Oxford Book of English Mystical Verse). I'm now not understanding why there hasn't been an academic biography of her.

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I made the African-American liberalism article out of your suggestion. Thank you. Informant16 26 March 2016

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Hi Leutha, I wondered if you had some time to help with History of South America, which I'm currently working on. -- Marek.69 talk 18:52, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

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I may have found it. In Individualism and Economic Order there's this:

This second and altogether different strand of thought, also known as individualism, is represented mainly by French and other Continental writers-a fact due, I believe, to the dominant role which Cartesian rationalism plays in its composition. The outstanding representatives of this tradition are the Encyclopedists, Rousseau, and the physiocrats; and, for reasons we shall presently consider, this rationalistic individualism always tends to develop into the opposite of individualism, namely, socialism or collectivism. It is because only the first kind of individualism is consistent that I claim for it the name of true individualism, while the second kind must probably be regarded as a source of modern socialism as important as the properly collectivist theories.

So Diderot and company and their individualism-cum-socialism that's expressed through the Encyclopedie rather than encyclopedism or encyclopedists (lowercase e) in general? (The string "encycl" doesn't look to appear again in Individualism..). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 18:23, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
Actually I was also thinking of Hayek's The Counter-Revolution of Science, the second part "The Counter-Revolution of Science". The focus is on Saint Simon, but he does touch on Neurath. Leutha (talk) 18:34, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

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I disagree. She did not just exist in the shadow of her husband.Leutha (talk) 23:41, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

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@Leutha: Stinglehammer and TheTrabiMechanic want to set up Wikipedia courses in the coming academic term but do not have the relevant rights to create a course page via the extension. This page tells me that only admins can grant such rights, and I'm wondering whether you can help. All the best, --Flycatchr 17:01, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

I no longer have co-ordinator privileges, which is what is needed. Please see this: Wikipedia:Education noticeboard.Leutha (talk) 17:17, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks for the thanks! I'm learning a bit more about the Marryats on the way. I rather like Fred's naval novels, do you? I have six altogether, but you have to be lucky or they turn out rather expensive. Best wishes, Brian Bmcln1 (talk) 16:39, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

I must admit I am not familiar with Fred's novels. I was drawn to this because of Joseph senior's involvement in anti-abolitionism. Joseph junior and his brother Charles both owned substantial number of slaves, but it looks like Fred kept clear of any involvement! Leutha (talk) 19:08, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

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My only criticisms as Joe stands at present are 1) it's more usual to keep bibliographic details in the references, just the title in the text, and 2) if subtitled sections are only a line or two, the page begins to look a bit like a club sandwich! Anyway, look forward to seeing more, he sounds an interesting guy, starting banks and stuff. Amazing how important East Anglia was to the English economy even in the 18th century. They all seemed to come from there. Bmcln1 (talk) 21:40, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Just love those Joseph Marryat titles you've just added. However, the information about the first is now in twice. Bmcln1 (talk) 20:38, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

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A tag has been placed on Council of Workers' and Soldiers' Delegates requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about an organization or company, but it does not credibly indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

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The Signpost: 18 August 2016 edit

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Books & Bytes - Issue 18 edit

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Issue 18, June–July 2016
by The Interior (talk · contribs), Ocaasi, Samwalton9, UY Scuti, and Sadads

  • New donations - Edinburgh University Press, American Psychological Association, Nomos (a German-language database), and more!
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Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa/The 10,000 Challenge edit

Hello. I've revamped the contest page into this, based on the new British model. Long term goal, but I've added entries since the beginning of July to give it some initial life. Please add anything you've done then this then too! I hope it proves productive long term. The contests are still planned, but will be more tools towards increasing bulk output in overall goal. It's a permanent goal now, and open! I would be grateful if you could keep a record of all your articles you do there, as I really think seeing the combined efforts will encourage others to create more content too! Please spread the word to the others, cheers!♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:16, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

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Nomination of Organic centralism for deletion edit

 

Hello. A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Organic centralism is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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John Meheux edit

Please finish.Xx236 (talk) 09:42, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

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Asian 10,000 Challenge invite edit

Hi. The Wikipedia:WikiProject Asia/The 10,000 Challenge has recently started, based on the UK/Ireland Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge and Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa/The 10,000 Challenge. The idea is not to record every minor edit, but to create a momentum to motivate editors to produce good content improvements and creations and inspire people to work on more countries than they might otherwise work on. There's also the possibility of establishing smaller country or regional challenges for places like South East Asia, Japan/China or India etc, much like Wikipedia:The 1000 Challenge (Nordic). For this to really work we need diversity and exciting content and editors from a broad range of countries regularly contributing. At some stage we hope to run some contests to benefit Asian content, a destubathon perhaps, aimed at reducing the stub count would be a good place to start, based on the current Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa/The Africa Destubathon which has produced near 200 articles in just three days. If you would like to see this happening for Asia, and see potential in this attracting more interest and editors for the country/countries you work on please sign up and being contributing to the challenge! This is a way we can target every country of Asia, and steadily vastly improve the encyclopedia. We need numbers to make this work so consider signing up as a participant! Thank you. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 05:18, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Rachel Gadsden edit

Hi Clem - I finally got around to doing some more work on the Rachel Gadsden page. I've more to input but have run out of time today. Any tips? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Gadsden Hope you're well Colin (from disability arts online) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Colinetto (talk • contribs) 14:32, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of EuroMayDay edit

 

The article EuroMayDay has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Article fails WP:N and has zero references (WP:V). Based on some research, it looks like a defunct holiday that was never really notable in distinction from May day. I can't find any evidence that this has been celebrated since 2014.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:English slave traders edit

 

A tag has been placed on Category:English slave traders requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and it is not presently under discussion at Categories for discussion, or at disambiguation categories.

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