Template:Did you know nominations/Lacey Lloyd

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by AirshipJungleman29 talk 12:58, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Lacey Lloyd

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• ... that producers of Hollyoaks worked with the charity "Little People UK" in order to make sure that Lacey Lloyd, who has dwarfism, was portrayed authentically? Source:
  • ALT1: ... that actress Annabelle Davis helped shape the characterisation of her character, Lacey Lloyd? Source:
  • ALT2: ... that Warwick Davis paid a public tribute to his daughter, Annabelle Davis, when she began appearing on Hollyoaks as Lacey Lloyd? Source:
  • ALT3: ... that Lacey Lloyd was introduced to Hollyoaks as the producers wanted to throwback to the earlier days of the show, where students would live together under the same roof? Source:
  • ALT4: ... that Warwick Davis watched Hollyoaks for the first time in 2023 when his daughter, Annabelle Davis, began portraying Lacey Lloyd on it? Source:
  • ALT5: ... that the role of Lacey Lloyd was not originally written for a little person? Source:
  • ALT6: ... that Annabelle Davis was approached by Hollyoaks' then-executive producer, Lucy Allan, to look at the role of Lacey Lloyd? Source:
  • ALT7: ... that actress Annabelle Davis was glad to be representing little people on screen through the character of Lacey Lloyd due to raising awareness? Source:
  • ALT8: ... that Lacey Lloyd was the first character with dwarfism to appear in Hollyoaks? Source:
  • ALT9: ... that Annabelle Davis commuted seven hours from her home near Cambridge to the Hollyoaks set in Liverpool to film as Lacey Lloyd? Source:
  • ALT10: ... that Annabelle Davis tried to make her character, Lacey Lloyd, a woman that "other disabled women would see themselves in"? Source:
  • ALT11: ... that Annabelle Davis wanted her character, Lacey Lloyd, to be professional due to the lack of little people in certain professions onscreen? Source:
  • ALT12: ... that Annabelle Davis spent time learning legal terminology in order to help her portray the role of paralegal Lacey Lloyd? Source:
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  • Comment: I have some other hook ideas but I did not want to overwhelm with too many. I hope these are okay for now. Please let me know if there any questions of course!

Moved to mainspace by DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk). Self-nominated at 11:40, 24 December 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Lacey Lloyd; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• Not a review (and I review oldest first so I probably wouldn't touch this any earlier than about late February), but the Metro is listed at WP:RSP as being generally unreliable, and I wouldn't use the Mirror, the Sunday People or the Evening Standard on similar grounds.--Launchballer 01:20, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

  @Launchballer: I have now added an additional ref to the nomination to address that problem DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 10:27, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Could you take the old ones out of the article?--Launchballer 10:16, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

I have removed them now DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 10:27, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Aside from the fact that I can still see the Sunday People on this page, they're still in the article.--Launchballer 10:34, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

I am trying to find an alternative source for the Sunday People but I have found an alternate source for the others in the meantime. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 11:29, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

DaniloDaysOfOurLives: I still see several instances of the Metro and the Mirror in the article. Can these be replaced or cut please?--Launchballer 15:09, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

I thought long and hard about it but I have to keep them in the article. This is because they add to it. The article still passes GNG without them, but the Mirror has a great interview from the actress which is great for the development, and as the Mirror is not deprecated (or considered unreliable in the sources table), I still used it. Regarding Metro, the soaps departments of Metro is separate from the main tabloid site (they even do a weekly Metro Soaps newsletter) and they get their information (e.g. spoilers and interviews) directly from the soaps publicity departments. Some of the information is repeated in Digital Spy and other more reliable sources, but I did not remove all of them from the article as then it would reduce a lot of the information which aids readers and would reduce the reception. There have been other fictional characters articles in recent years that have gotten GA status and DYK despite including Metro sources (including one of mine just a month ago). However, none of the current hooks rely on any Metro or Mirror sources at the moment. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 00:38, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Full review needed.--Launchballer 13:22, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm with Launchballer, the sourcing and content of this article isn't gonna fly. The fact that Metro gets its information "directly from the soaps publicity departments" isn't a plus for reliability, it's a minus for independence and due weight, and it contributes to the reason that this article is packed with far more irrelevant in-universe information than any other fiction genre would tolerate. It's going to need a significant pare down on content and sourcing before it's good to go for DYK. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 00:46, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

@DaniloDaysOfOurLives: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 17:45, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

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