Talk:Toph Beifong/Archive 2

First Metalbender

Toph is not the first Metalbender. Watch the last episode again. When the Dai Li captures the Generals, you can see they're bending chains, with the metal sound effects as an added note. Though, yes this happens after Toph learns how to bend metal, I highly doubt the Dai Li somehow learned to bend metal in the span of one day. I believe they've known how to bend metal for a while now. Kulaguy 19:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

How do you know they're bending the metal? Did they say they were bending the metal? Did the metal freeze in the air or suddenly change direction with no outward force acting upon it? They're long chains and whatnot, the metal is never not connected to the Dai Li agents, it's just like a person controlling a lasso. JBK405 19:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

It seems like they were just using the metal and throwing it not bending it at all

1-11-07: I say they were just good at wielding chains and knew how to lasso. They would be great at rodeos. Don't kill me for saying that.So then Toph remains the first metal bender. Hooray!

They don't have to say they're bending metal. It's pretty obvious they're bending metal. They threw the metal, and bended it to hold the Generals. And what do you mean the metal is never connected to the Dai Li? IIRC, they hid it in their sleeves, and then threw it, and the end of the chains had a handcuff like appearance that cuffed the Generals. Kulaguy 20:48, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Website says she is the only one. Dai Li just threw them. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 20:58, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Mmhmm... Then go on a post a link to it. If the website says she's the only one, go on and post a link to it so I can verify it. Kulaguy 21:00, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Nick's site doesn't allow us to link to paticular pages. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 21:09, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

How convenient. Well then, just give me directions on which button to click on to get to the area where it says Toph is the only Metalbender. Kulaguy 21:25, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I can't find it right now, someone quoted it verbatim before and I had to change it. I have to get to work, I'll find it later. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 21:33, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I said they cuffs were never not connected, meaning the Dai Li were always holding on to one end of the chain. They don't need to bend the metal, just pull or push like any normal human being in order to move the cuffs. Like I said, it's just like using a lasso, you hold one end, move your hands and arms, and the other end does things like wrapping around other objects. Not everything in Avatar has to be related to Bending. JBK405 22:07, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

It sounds like he was weilding the chain like a Chain whip. See [1] & [2] for example.(Ghostexorcist 22:49, 2 December 2006 (UTC))

Not exactly the same, those videos were primarily swinging, whereas the Dai Li were pushing/pulling, but it's the same basic concept, it's a chain of metal with one end controlled by moving the other end. No bending needed. JBK405 23:13, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I know those videos don't show it up close, but one of the chain whip’s techniques is flinging it out and quickly pull it back. Usually, the whip is concealed in the hand, with the chains being held in a folded “zig-zag” pattern between the fingers. When it is thrown out, the target can be stung with the Chain whip's dagger end or entangle in the chained links. One common hiding area for the Chain whip was either in the hand or in the sleeve. Granted, the chains have cuffs on the end, but it sounds like the same principle.

I’m just trying to establish a possible origin for the technique they use since the show is heavily influenced by Chinese martial arts. This would be “skill” and not “bending”.(Ghostexorcist 23:38, 2 December 2006 (UTC))

Then yes, it's the exact same thing (What the Dai Li do is exactly what you just described, the chains are held within their sleeves, they fling their arms out, the chains extend outwards and the cuffs snag their prisoner, and they draw them back in). It looks like a pretty good candidate for the origin of this little doohicky (Although we can't say that in the article since we have no source). JBK405 23:43, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

THANK YOU! Finally, someone could prove me wrong, rather than just say "Oh, the website said it was bending but I can't link to where it says it right now." I respect people who can refute my points with evidence. Yeah, it's odd I'm so happy I lost this arguement. Kulaguy 01:06, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

a chain whip

No problem. Here is some further evidence. Here is a good pic of a Dai Li deploying his chain. Note the similarities between the linked bars of his cuffs with that of the Chain whip.

No metal bending at all, just a length of chain and LOTS of practice! Here is a better EXAMPLE of a Three Section Plum Flower Chain Whip. Notice the links are long and skinny like the chain used by the Dai Li.(Ghostexorcist 12:40, 3 December 2006 (UTC))

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Why in Toph profile said "don't put she's a metal bender"? [Unsigned]

Because Metalbending is just a subsection of Earthbending, not its own style. JBK405 00:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Metalbending would be its own style if the show adhered to the five Chinese elements of Earth, Fire, Wood, Water and Metal. But it only adheres to the Four elements, leaving metal out. (Ghostexorcist 00:53, 9 December 2006 (UTC))

Well yeah, it would, but then Airbending wouldn't be here, and there'd be Woodbending, too. JBK405 00:58, 9 December 2006 (UTC) ----------------------------------

Directions to the website statement that Toph is the only Earthbender capable of bending metal: http://www.nick.com/all_nick/tv_supersites/avatar2 After the load screen, click on the point of The Guru near the wall of Ba Sing Se on the world map, then Gear and More on the bar and then in the iron coffin201.37.28.3 20:24, 30 January 2007 (UTC) After first watching the episodes I instantly believed, after seeing the metal cuffs, that they were not thrown, or bended but launched with a mechanical mechanism of some sort. Just what I think. I will rewatch the episode to confirm this. One2ManyIOUs 20:33, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

One quick note. I was the one that added what family Toph's Southern Praying Mantis style is. I read it on shaolin.com. A kung fu website. It's Chu Gar Southern Praying Mantis Style. Just in case anyone was wondering. DJ168.212.126.128 15:34, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

This is also mentioned in an external link about Toph. What was the exact page on shaolin.com? Was it a forum? Forums are not to be trusted.(Ghostexorcist 10:41, 16 December 2006 (UTC))

There is no metal bending at all.. The guru mentioned that metal is earth just refined. Toph felt the pieces of Earth in the metal, and then bent that. There is no such thing as metal bending. And unless the Dai Li were blind and were blessed with the ability to feel vibrations in the earth they could not "bend metal!" What's a question? 00:16, 1 March 2007 (UTC)) 01:35, 26 january 2007 (UTC)

Ok we know that metal bending is not a style, its a subsection of earthbending. The same goes to sand benders who sand bend, Its just another section of earth bending. But can still be called sand bending and so can metal bending. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.57.40.107 (talk) 01:02, 14 February 2007 (UTC).

Point taken... Maybe the cuffs are made of earth, and they bent that... I still dont think anybody can bend metal. Just the earth in the metal. =] Whats a question? 00:16, 1 March 2007 (UTC)) 01:54, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah...and nobody has said otherwise, as far as I know...--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 04:33, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Didn't anybody look at the examples I gave of the resemblance between the Dai Li's cuffs and the Chain whip? I thought this discussion was over with. The Dai Li are not bending a thing. A person with some training can make a chain whip shoot out and entangle an opponent (although the Dai Li have cuffs on the end instead of a blade). Since it has not yet been shown that the Dai Li can bend metal, it should be assumed that they are using martial arts skill and or a mechanical device to wield the chains and not bending. (Ghostexorcist 11:22, 17 February 2007 (UTC))

I think this claim has been thoroughly owned.  :) Qubeh 11:50, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

It's oubvious they use the metal cuffs so criminals cant earthbend them off. they can't bend metal. deal with it.

...Okies, I see Ghostexocist's point... Not about the boring, ol' chain-whip, but about a chain launching device straped to their arm hidden in their sleeves.. Okay? Okay! =) What's a question? 04:00, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

It maybe a bit too late and I know the discussion is all but solved but one last argument at the Dai Li, aren´t the cuffs made out of stone? Therefore the Dai Li maybe able to bend the cuffs rather than the metal chains. This would explain as to why tehy fly in any dirction and to automatically grap their opponents. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.48.9.104 (talk) 20:26, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Rename article to "Bei Fong"?

Since it's undisputed now that she has a last name, should the article reflect that? --Crisu 15:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I think having Toph Bei Fong as a redirect is sufficient, since she's hardly ever addressed with the full name, and its normal practice to name articles by a short version of a name if the person is overwhelmingly known by the short version. For example, "William Jefferson Clinton" is a redirect to "Bill Clinton".--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:14, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

The article states thats she has a last name because that's a sign of notability. And we all know that's her name, her family has been referred to as the Bei Fong family and even her mail read Toph Bei Fong.

Having Toph Bei Fong as a redirect and stated in the article is enough. Bagpipeturtle 01:19, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Name Etymology

There seems to be some differences in opinion about the Trivia section mentioning possible meanings of Toph. First, I wonder if anyone else is of the opinion we should add a small section on name meanings to clear up the clutter in the trivia, since it'd take out 2 of the larger entries. Next, there seems to be some debate about whether or not there is need for citations and if meanings are pure speculation and thus don't belong here. I think the many possible meanings are interesting and important, but the interpretations could be cut for the sake of remaining more "factual." (As in, mention that "Toph may be a play on the word 'tough'" and leave it at that.) Is that needed or should they remain as is? Imbrii 17:22, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I've discovered there are many sites referencing "Toph" and "Tophet" in the Bible, most sites focusing on translation variations (tambourine/timbrel/drum are the usual meanings) but no site sticks out as a good one to use as a reference. Two more of the more dictionary-line ones. [3] [4] Anyone have opinions as to where would be best to use? Imbrii 17:44, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Admittedly I'm biased in that I find etymology interesting while others don't deem it important enough to keep on the page, but Toph's name ties into terms that fit so well I think it's worth keeping. I don't think it's useless fancruft. What are other people's opinions? I don't want to start an edit war or anything. Imbrii 04:02, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I think etymology is fine, provided that we can source things in it. Unless we hear direct from somebody, it will involve a little bit of speculation, but its acceptable in this context, I think.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 04:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Picture?

What happened to the picture that was here before? I thought we had agreed on that one. Momoroxmysoxoff 12:37, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

I liked the other photo better too. There is no need to have two pictures of her wearing a robe and her hair in a bun. (Ghostexorcist 20:04, 25 December 2006 (UTC))

What are you two talking about? —Preceding unsigned comment added by HeirToPendragon (talk • contribs) 01:36, 26 December 2006

• We are talking about the picture of Toph with the so-called "creepy smile" on her face. I believe the screenshot was taken from one of her battles in Earth Rumble VI. (Ghostexorcist 12:11, 26 December 2006 (UTC))

I was wondering about this myself. The main picture on this page was changed from one in which Toph was in her standard clothing while slyling smiling, to this new picture of her in her robes with a creepy smile on (from Aang's vision). I'm not sure when the change occured, but apparantly the old picture file has been replaced completely, as the page history does not show the old picture ever existing... does anyone know where we can get a copy of the old one? –Prototime (talk • contribs) 06:44, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok now I'm completely lost, because the main picture I see is the one that's been there for a long time, the closeup on her face during Earth Rumble VI —Preceding unsigned comment added by HeirToPendragon (talk • contribs) 02:23, 26 December 2006

That's really interesting; the picture I see as the current picture (and the one I assume everyone else in this discussion is seeing) is no longer the Earth Rumble VI picture; it has been changed to another picture of Toph that essentially looks like this (minus the AvatarSpirit.net info): http://screenshots.avatarspiritmedia.net/206/120.jpg I'm currently looking for a clear version of the old photo that can be practically used for this page (the one located at http://screenshots.avatarspiritmedia.net/206/155.jpg may work but it'll have to be edited up a bit). –Prototime (talk • contribs) 07:49, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Been wondering the same thing for a while. Hope you're able to change it back, the picture just seemed to reflect her character better. ~71.163.207.112

Brought it back. It was in the file revision history after all. --Crisu 03:23, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

It was changed agian. It's from the blind bandit, but different. If someone wants to change the picture, it really should be discused. So whoever is doing it, could you: a) not change it, or b) at least run it by everyone else.Momoroxmysoxoff 21:05, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

The picture that is there now needs changed, for a profile picture it doesn't work right (and it's copyright status is wrong). 24.165.122.145 05:48, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I've uploaded a brand new screenshot now (with some airbrushings) from "Bitter Work." Hopefully this is a much better shot of her face that everyone can agree on. --Crisu 19:48, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Someone changed it ,again.. This one is similar to the posted by Crisu but this one is terrible (No offence to the person who posted it =X).. Whats a question? 00:18, 1 March 2007 (UTC)) 03:40, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Ummm....as far as I can see the current shot has been there since early January.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 03:44, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

No, its different, trust me! It may look the same but someone changed it! Z0mg!!!1111one1@!/! Whats a question? 00:18, 1 March 2007 (UTC)) 23:07, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I see what happened here. User:DORCA uploaded a new image in place of the old one. I've reverted it.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 03:53, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Please change that picture!!! She looks extremely boring and it doesnt show her personality very well. I like the cocky/creepy smile from the blind bandit episode.

Change that damn annoying picture.

How about this picture? Image:Tophnick.jpg Wayne317 00:13, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

references?

isn't anyone EVER going to add some?Tremewanbill 00:24, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

If you've seen the show, you don't really need references unless it's something that hasn't really been released to the public. Qubeh 11:51, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Toph likes Sokka

ummm... sorry to open up this can of worms again, but here's proof that Toph has a crush on Sokka. The Placebo Effect 12:52, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

yeah, but as the creators said, only a little one, besides, I doubt her slight crush on Sokka will be prominent throughout the series. --P. Skiddy 16:56, 11 May 2007 (UTC)P.Skiddy

that may be but it is still a crush and we can see it growing during the newest episodes ^^ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.190.115.198 (talk) 01:07, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

i think it should at least be noted that there is a crush between them, we already have that she "blushes her cheeks" in sokka's master, and who took down the thing from serpents pass, why isn't that there? I don't see why there's all the katara loves aang and vice-versa but there isn't anything about this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.101.48.253 (talk) 03:33, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Chu Gar Southern Praying Mantis Style

I was listening to the creators' commentary on "The Blind Bandit" episode, and they said Toph's style of martial art was developed by a blind woman, so that their decision to make Toph a blind girl who employs this style of fighting was a "happy accident". Yet, when I looked up Southern Praying Mantis Style here on Wikipedia, they said NOTHING about this. Could their source (a friend of Sifu Kisu, who normally helps them work on the show) be wrong, or should we fix the article on SPMS so that it says this. (And, yes, I know that I should probably be using the Talk page with the SPMS article instead of this one, but the other Talk page hasn't been touched in ages, and I need an answer.) Thanks in advance! :)--Freespirit1981 21:16, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not an expert on the style, but you would be amazed at the number of martial arts legends that are out there. Some styles have so many legends around them that it muddles up the true history. Just because Sifu Kisu said it doesn't make it true. Besides, his form and technique are terrible! I have a hard time believing anyone who claims to be a master and can't even perform what he teaches properly. (Ghostexorcist 21:36, 12 May 2007 (UTC))

I meant that Sifu Kisu's friend, who also teaches martial arts, said so, but I see your point. Though, a LOT of what's on Avatar is based on careful research, so you do have to wonder sometimes.--Freespirit1981 21:50, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

blind

shouldn't it be mention that when Toph's chi is blocked she can see, even with earthbending

According to the interview with the creators (at the Avatar Spirit site), it would make her completely blind. Toph "sees" with her Earthbending, so if Ty Lee were to block her chi (spelled "qi" in Chinese), she would lose her "sight". In short, it shouldn't be in the article.--Freespirit1981 06:30, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Well Ty Lee does not block all parts of the chi flow and because Kataara only bends with her arm, blocking her arms means blocking her bending. But Toph mainly "sees" with her feet therefore Ty Lee has to block them as well to make her "blind". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.48.9.104 (talk) 20:30, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

firenation pic

shouldnt we add a picture in of toph in her new outfits in book 3? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dragon queen4ever (talk • contribs) 14:19, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

whoops forgot to sign my comment, sorry!Dragon queen4ever 14:22, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Badgermoles

In Sokka's Master, Toph reveals that she was initially taught Earthbending by the Badgermoles. --Basique 12:46, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually I thought she was taught by the earthbending teacher she had then learned the rest on her own the badgermoles taught oma and shu earthbending I think.Shroudnin 20:52, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I think you're trying to say that Master Yu taugh Toph Earthbending, and the Badgermoles taugh Oma and Shu. While the Badgermoles did tech Oma and Shu, Toph specifically mentions they taught her, too. Master Yu was, frankly, a money-hungry "master" who specifically mentioned he was teaching Toph only the most basic breathing exercises and forms. JBK405 00:23, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Relationships

Should a family section be added to relationships? They were shown in she was introduced and in one of the latest episodes her relationship with her parents did play a part on her attitude. 189.32.147.22 23:41, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Other than the effect their overprotective tendencies have had on Toph's persona, we can't really discern what kind of relationship she has with them without it seeming purely interpretive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.242.38.208 (talk) 07:41, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

The relationship section in Aangs article has been removed due to being considered original research, only fair that Toph and all the other characters have their relationship sections removed as well, as all relationship content seems to be considered original research by Wikipedias standards. [/sarcasm]. Can anyone get the Aang relationship section back? 189.32.153.180 (talk) 23:12, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Jokes about her blindness

The article states:

"An ongoing joke concerning Toph's blindness is her lack of ability to discern anything that has been written or drawn. In "Lake Laogai," Toph becomes angry when Sokka suggests that she needs help putting up flyers. She spitefully puts up a poster, only to inadvertently place it backwards and remarking, "It's upside-down, isn't it?""

The jokes concerning her blindness throughout the series are through the reactions of other characters (ie Sokka), not her "lack of ability" in itself (this quote makes it sound a lot like the series promotes that blindness is funny, which is insensitive and discriminatory). The "Lake Laogai" reference is tied to the first sentence, and it reads like this event was also a joke. The way the scene was executed clearly shows that this was not meant to be funny, it was meant to show Toph's insecurities regarding her blindness and how (at times) it makes her feel useless. --Marshmello 23:42, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

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Toph's "Position" (infobox)

Can we agree on a static 'Position' for Toph? This section of her infobox has been edited, unedited, and re-edited countless times, and with alarming frequency. Is an edit war really necessary for such a trivial piece of information? --Marshmello 23:17, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Ok, someone enlighten me here: It's ok to leave Katara as Bloodbender in the infobox but it's not ok to leave Toph as Metalbender? Doesn't make much sense to me. 189.4.243.36 (talk) 16:42, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

What does it even mean to say that a character's place in a show is a Guardian? Characters should be classified as their position in the show is, being a Guardian just doesn't make any sense. I also noticed that the character Katara is also classified as Guardian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kurowoofwoof111 (talk • contribs) 17:00, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

The disambig page doesn't have it, but the term is used to mean that they support the protagonist. The position reflects their literary position not their fictional one. Rau's Speak Page 22:12, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Reply copied from User talk:Parent5446:

Yeah, it is a really confusing topic. I put it there because I was looking around one day and found a list of archetypes. The list was protagonist, antagonist, guardian, reason, etc. all with definitions. However, I forgot where I found the list. I think it would be best to change it to something like "supporting character", etc. until we find something better. — Parent5446 ^{(t n e l)} 17:19, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I also want to say that there is really no need for the parameter at all. Since we cannot really put anything other than "Supporting character", then there is no point, since the character's role should be explained automatically in the lead. — Parent5446 ^{(t n e l)} 22:30, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

That's kinda weird. The template specifically mentions position, but it doesn't actually show position in the info box. That seems kinda pointless to me. Derekloffin (talk) 22:41, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

The shouldn't this be on the template talk page in an attempt to have it changed. Or is this good enough and we just change it ourselves? Rau's Speak Page 22:55, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Toph Bei Fong

Shouldn't this article be at Toph Bei Fong, as it is her full name. Rau's Speak Page 08:36, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I think its here because in the show she is more commonly referred to as Toph. WP:NAME says to use the most commonly known name, and that the purpose of an article title is just so people can find it easily. If you still think we should move it, I'm sure there would not be any objections, but it seems more appropriate here, considering this is a fictional character article, not a real person. — Parent5446 ☯ ^{(message email)} 11:35, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I looked on there, but I couldn't find anything. But common name makes sense. Rau's Speak Page 13:54, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Reception Section

Since IGN made a review of first episode Toph appeared in, is it at all possible to make a reception section. I am not very good at making references for these articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.88.239 (talk) 00:18, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Link up that review here and we'll see what we get out of it. Derekloffin (talk) 00:46, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm certain that there will be info for it. The episode was focused on her, there should be something. Rau's Speak Page 00:48, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Sandbending

At the end of the page in discussion (Toph) it says "At the end of Book Three, she is shown to have learned Sandbending when she made an exact replica of the inner walls of Ba Sing Se (even adding the Earth King and his bear friend Bosco), thus making her able to use all the earthbending forms known so far." However, Toph has already been shown using sandbending in the episode "The Library", when she attempts to slow the sinking of the library by solidifying the sand around her feet to maintain a strong stance. Also, there have been no indications in any of the episodes that sandbending is difficult to use or learn, only that it is not widely used. Therefore, the aforementioned quote should be removed or edited and reinserted to the main paragraph. [EDIT] I have removed the aforementioned quote, and slightly fixed the last sentence of the previous paragraph so that it does not sound like the actual episode word for word.--Seb0910 (talk) 17:11, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Age

Why is Toph's age listed as 12 - 14? Each season of the series spanned a season, not a year, the first season is winter, the second is spring and the third is summer. As of the end of the series, only 9 months have passed, not 3 years. 189.60.129.184 (talk) 18:39, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Not so blind actually

has anyone noticed that the writers would at times forget that Toph is Blind at all? 1. in the episode "The Earth King" she is able to read the fake letter of her mom (brail?) 2. in the finale where the other airships had started burning the earth kingdom, Toph manages to say "wow,that is alot of fire." even though she was on an airship. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.6.177.170 (talk) 11:50, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I can't recall 1, but in 2, that was actually meant to demonstrate just how much fire they were talking about, that at that distance she could still feel it, which is why she ends that line with 'is't it'. Derekloffin (talk) 18:07, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Very blind actually. Katara reads the letter to her. *SIGN* 20:04, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Plus, Toph often jokes about how the others will forget that she's blind. TakaraLioness (talk) 06:52, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

SilverRoseSweetie;Yes, Toph did say "Wow,thats alot of fire," but she ended the sentance with "Isn't it?" Also,Toph didn't read the letter.She listened to Katara reading it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.197.119.13 (talk) 03:57, 6 December 2008 (UTC)