Talk:Timeline of the COVID-19 pandemic in India (January–May 2020)

Only Reported Cases

I think we should remove all recoveries, "came in contact with so and so people" and other such kind of stuff and keep only reported cases on this page. TheRichardPinto (talk) 18:35, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

@TheRichardPinto:

1.Recoveries are important too. We can just write that this much people recovered in this state for a particular date.

2."Came in contact" can be avoided from now on and just report total no. of cases from a state per day and most we can do is write city and no. of cases. For Eg. :- X State reported 10 cases - 4 from Y, 6 from Z. - Mayankj429 (talk) 19:00, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

OK, so we can keep no. of recoveries on a particular day and remove "came in contact with" henceforth. TheRichardPinto (talk) 20:13, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

158.144.113.91 (talk) 12:33, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Death Statistics

Preparing rough death statistic here before adding on main page. Kindly add other relevant parameters if you need. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 11:24, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

No.	Date	State	Age	Sex	Source	Ref
1	12 March 2020	KA	76	M	Saudi Arabia
2	13 March 20202	DL	69	F
3	17 March 2020	MH	64	M
4	19 March 2020	PB	72	M	Germany - Italy
5	22 March 2020	MH	63	M
6	22 March 2020	BH	38	M
7	22 March 2020	GJ	64	M

Suggestion

I don't like the timeline exclusively covering just info about cases. We should also consider adding other noteworthy things like the lockdowns, etc. Some other articles does that. Especially the UK article, it has one of the best imo. Often we are forced to leave a lot of important events since there is no section to place them in the main article (Today there was this). I know revamping our current structure here takes a lot of effort which is a waste of time. But can we consider adding such events in the future?
@Mr.Mani Raj Paul:
@TheRichardPinto:
@SaiP:
@Brown Chocolate:
@Mayankj429:
- Shanze1 (talk) 15:39, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Agree Things we can't add anywhere else should be added here. - Mayankj429 (talk) 15:45, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Shanze1 Next 1 month is very crucial month. Lots of information can be added or can be moved or even can be modify Yes we can add extra things in this article as you already mentioned above (Mr.Mani Raj Paul (talk) 15:51, 24 March 2020 (UTC))

I think there are more than enough sections in the main article. If you want to cover any other topic, you should add a new section in the main article, and if that section is too long, you can create a new page for it and provide the link to that page in that section of the main article. TheRichardPinto (talk) 15:53, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

 Comment:The main article's sections are very specific. We should't add more sections or expand as it becomes too long. Events like this which had to be put in the lead section, we can add them here to tell how things unfolded. That is how UK's timeline is being done. Shanze1 (talk) 16:09, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Agree per Shanze1. It already too short. We need to expand this as said. Brown Chocolate (talk) 15:56, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Should we short out which things to add here. Like Info about lockdown, things (other than cases) happened during this period of lockdown etc. Brown Chocolate (talk) 16:05, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

I suggest we add any significant response, reactions and anything noteworthy that we can't add in main article regarding the event (like Mr.Mani Raj Paul suggested) along with daily cases update. Shanze1 (talk) 16:14, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Comment I want to involve DTM in this discussion. (Mr.Mani Raj Paul (talk) 16:11, 24 March 2020 (UTC))

Mr.Mani Raj Paul, TheRichardPinto, Shanze1, Brown Chocolate, DTM, and Mayankj429: Hello guys. My apologies. I was busy getting essentials for home. I hope you understand. As far as the suggestion is concerned, with my experience in writing IEEE articles, I would suggest that we keep the main article crisp and short. It should only summarise. The details about lockdown can be included in Indian local government response to the 2020 coronavirus pandemic by changing the title to Indian federal, state, and local government response to the 2020 coronavirus pandemic. In that way, we can cover all types of lockdown and curfews in one article and we can link the same in the main article. Request your opinions on my comment. Thank you. SaiP (talk) 07:17, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Agree Timeline of the pandemic does not mean timeline of the individual cases. A lot of the specifics about cases need to be cut out from here, and the big events need to be added. The big events are those that received wide coverage in the reliable sources. The religious superspreader events definitely go here, as do things like the lockdown, the Anand Vihar crisis etc. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:39, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

I would like to contribute by keeping the numbers up-to-date. Can you please whitelist me? Kolmil (talk) 14:40, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Death count mismatch

As of 25th March, 1:30 PM, MOHFW's death count is 9. However, in our timeline, we already have a 10th death. The thing is that, MOHFW has not included the third death in Maharashtra. So, please don't change the timeline. It is 100% accurate, as far as I've checked. TheRichardPinto (talk) 07:47, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Coverage of all the confirmed cases

 Question: Did we cover all the confirmed cases as per the original source? SaiP (talk) 10:43, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

• SaiP No, as much cases we can find are added. When the new cases per day started to increase it became difficult to find all cases. - Mayankj429 (talk) 11:48, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
• Mayankj429 We would require more volunteers to participate. It is vital to get all the cases. It is the same I was emphasising on separate article for states. If more volunteers come forward, it becomes easy to divide work. SaiP (talk) 11:52, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

SaiP covid19india.org can be a great source to track cases. They are crowd sourcing and have a drive link named Crowdsourced patient database which includes every single patient in india under Raw data section, but they use official twitter updates of State heath ministers, PIB , ANI with web articles. - Mayankj429 (talk) 12:02, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

References

Regarding Karnataka and Rajasthan death

Hi @TheRichardPinto: : In this edit [1], you have removed update which i added of death of a woman from karnataka who died on 24 march and was a suspect, later today her sample came positive. Mohfw have also updated it - As they show 2 deaths in karnataka now, you can check it [2]. Further Source - [3] - Mayankj429 (talk) 17:15, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

@TheRichardPinto: Also the death of 73-year-old man in Bhilwara, Rajasthan [4] is being attributed to pre existing conditions, so state government is not attributing to COVID-19 and thats why mohfw have not counted. What should we mention in timeline? - Mayankj429 (talk) 17:27, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Simple rule. Check by tomorrow end of day. If MOHFW doesn't acknowledge it, do not mention it in the timeline at all. TheRichardPinto (talk) 17:45, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

@TheRichardPinto: Ok, but Karnataka death is confirmed as mohfw too shows in latest update so we need to add that. - Mayankj429 (talk) 17:51, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I am adding case now. TheRichardPinto (talk) 18:02, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Now it is perfect 16 same as mohfw. For this, I added Karnataka case, removed Rajasthan case and removed Maharashtra case. TheRichardPinto (talk) 18:18, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Update Reported Cases at the end of a day

Hi @Mr.Mani Raj Paul: @SaiP: @Brown Chocolate: @Mayankj429: @Shanze1: I think we should update the cases reported for a day only at the end of that particular day. This is because the cases reported in a particular state on a particular day keeps increasing every few hours. For example, cases reported in Maharashtra on 30 March goes from 5 to 10 to 25 and so on. At the end of the day, we can refer covid19India.org and update the article accordingly. TheRichardPinto (talk) 05:15, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Agree  : Most states release press bulletins or do press conferences to give total rise in cases throughout a day, we can update rise in no. of cases from a state after that. -Mayankj429 (talk) 13:48, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Comment It will give much burden at the end of day. i know the cases are increasing of states, in morning it may 20 or in evening it may 30. so we can change the value from 20 to 30. i think we should update the data in a real time when its occured. (Mr.Mani Raj Paul (talk) 14:46, 31 March 2020 (UTC))

Explanation of how the cases have come to light

Should we need not explain how the cases have come to light? For example Tablighi Jamaat event which took a toll on rise of number of confirmed cases. If we see last few days, cases have been exponential. I know everyone have been doing a wonderful job and it would be difficult, but we should at least make an attempt. Shouldn't we? Just a thought. Request to throw in your thoughts here guys - Shanze1, TheRichardPinto, Mr.Mani Raj Paul, Brown Chocolate, DTM, Kautilya3. I request other editors and volunteers to participate as well.

'As always, please stay safe and healthy. Let's fight COVID-19'. SaiP (talk)

References

We should, yes. And definitely about this particular cluster of cases IMO. We have a summary written in the main article's timeline section which needs bit of tweak for clarity. But yes, I agree that we should attempt to go in detail regarding this in this article. Shanze1 (talk) 21:02, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Detail eleboration of cases are not required, even it may burden on Editor as well as on visitors. Wikipedia is not a newspaper (Mr.Mani Raj Paul (talk) 02:17, 1 April 2020 (UTC))

Well, you're right. No need for such elaboration but just the right amount to say how the situation came to be and its consequences. Shanze1 (talk) 04:21, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

See my input above for how to restructure this page. "Exponential" is the nature of the pandemic. It is not something new. The trend line of +16%/day is still holding. The effects of the lockdown won't be seen until a couple of weeks into it. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:46, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

The Tabligh event in Delhi seems to be a result of the broken Delhi government, with an elected government passing orders and a self-administered Delhi Police ignoring them. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:52, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't a bulletin board as well where we just publish the data. I Agree with Shanze1 and Kautilya3. We need to give a summary style crisp detail about the cases and the big events have to be given their importance. SaiP (talk) 09:56, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

A sample timeline article check this. SaiP (talk) 10:10, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

I think a one paragraph summary for each of these big events in the timeline section of the main article is enough. However, high-profile events like Tablighi Jamaat might require a separate article. TheRichardPinto (talk) 10:50, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Also, mentioning that this case is linked to this event in the timeline article will result in a lot of repetitive content. I try my best to mention any unique details that I find about any case. But mostly newspapers nowadays only mention case counts, so it's getting harder by the day to keep the article fresh. TheRichardPinto (talk) 10:56, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Also, I think we should incorporate the state-wise table of United States Timeline into our timeline. TheRichardPinto (talk) 11:06, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion about improving the orange graph

I feel we have to improve the orange graph as we will have more cases as days go by. I had a look at US article which had the orange graph like this US Orange Graph. It seems to have been divided into months which keeps it short and neat. How about we implement the same? In that way, in the main article as well the graph does not look big. What are your thoughts Shanze1, TheRichardPinto, Mr.Mani Raj Paul, Brown Chocolate, DTM, and Kautilya3? SaiP (talk) 10:21, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

I think I already recommended somewhere that we should copy the format of the US chart. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:28, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree. TheRichardPinto (talk) 10:43, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

SaiP Don't worry , it's done now, check the templete now (Mr.Mani Raj Paul (talk) 11:17, 1 April 2020 (UTC))

Mr.Mani Raj Paul Perfect and thank you!! SaiP (talk) 11:23, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Welcome Mr.Mani Raj Paul - talk 11:31, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

How to report deaths now?

Hi @Mr.Mani Raj Paul: @SaiP: @Brown Chocolate: @Mayankj429: @Shanze1: Currently 32 deaths have been reported in our timeline, MOHFW has confirmed 41 deaths and the death toll has reached 56 on covid19india. As of now, I used to report deaths by looking at the state-wise details provided by MOHFW and finding out which deaths they have taken into account in their update. But since they changed their website's design, the state-wise details are not available either due to a glitch or maybe they have actually kept that section blank. What should we do now? TheRichardPinto (talk) 18:49, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi @TheRichardPinto The information has moved to the section with header "COVID-19 Statewise Status (Click to expand)" in the new MOHFW page. Your detailed listing is a very good research tool. My team is using it for epidemiological estimates. Thank you for maintaining it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SurgicalSutures (talk • contribs) 01:58, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

@TheRichardPinto: First thing use ping , when you mention someone. Don't use @. More information click here Second thing, state wise data is present on MOHFW. just click on Expand section. Mr.Mani Raj Paul - talk 02:19, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

"COVID-19 Statewise Status (Click to expand)" does not expand on mobile. That is why I was asking. Now I tried on desktop. It expanded. Thank you. TheRichardPinto (talk) 05:46, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

@TheRichardPinto: and other page editors: Hi, wanted to point out an oversight. The article says "On 31 March, a 68-year-old woman from Thiruvananthapuram in Kerala[238] and a 65-year-old man from Mohali district in Punjab[239] became the forty-third and forty-fourth victims of the virus in the country." and then later "On 1 April, a 65-year-old man from Khargone district in Madhya Pradesh,[252] a 72-year-old from Meerut in Uttar Pradesh[253] a 51-year-old man from Mumbai in Maharashtra, a 50-year-old man from Palghar in Maharashtra, a 75-year-old man from Mumbai in Maharashtra, an 84-year-old woman from Mumbai in Maharashtra, a 73-year-old woman from Mumbai in Maharashtra and a 63-year-old woman from Mumbai in Maharashtra[254] became the forty-sixth, forty-seventh, forty-eighth, forty-ninth, fiftieth, fifty-first, fifty-second and fifty-third victims of the virus in the country" Victim number 45 is missing! Hope you be able to check and correct. SurgicalSutures (talk) 05:20, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

@SurgicalSutures: I fixed it.

@TheRichardPinto: and other page editors: death of "71 year old man from Chennai" repeated on April 2 and April 3. Citation number 274 for first and 289 for second are identical. Thanks for fixing the earlier issue. SurgicalSutures

Need your suggestions on reporting of deaths

Hi, Mr.Mani Raj Paul, SaiP, Brown Chocolate, Mayankj429, Shanze1 and Kautilya3. I need some suggestions. Uptil now, I have tried my best to mention deaths as soon as MOHFW acknowledges them. I also provide the order of those deaths, which is somewhat close to accurate. However, now it is getting really difficult as the actual numbers are way ahead of MOHFW numbers and God only knows which deaths are considered, what is the order of those deaths, where can I find good citations, should I stop mentioning the order, should I remove the previously maintained order and just write "succumbed to the virus" instead of "became the so-and-so victims of the virus". TheRichardPinto (talk) 09:16, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Around 15 to 25 deaths per day are now acknowleged by MoHFW while i know they are late in updating it still mentioning each death in a day now seems difficult , and with increase in cases unfortunately deaths will also increase. It would be better if we update it as X deaths were registered citing it with whatever source which gives death count rise in a particular day. - Mayankj429 (talk) 09:31, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion for adding Timeline Sidebar

Hi Editors, I suggest that we add an timeline sidebar containing major events and occurrences happened during the pandemic. We can use any one of these templates: Template:Graphical timeline or Template:Sidebar timeline. Timbaaa (talk) 09:16, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

@Timbaaa: Its a good Idea. It will be more interactive and possibly Template:Sidebar timeline would be better. - Mayankj429 (talk) 12:31, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

@Mayankj429: I can make one, but I have only AutoConfirmed Rights.Timbaaa (talk) 12:49, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

@Timbaaa: You can make the draft of it and share it here or link to your sandbox where you design it. Anyone of us will add that to the article. - Mayankj429 (talk) 14:43, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Agree yeah, good idea to show key events. Sidebar timeline is suitable. Shanze1 (talk) 12:53, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

@Mayankj429:, @Shanze1: I made one here: User:Timbaaa/sandbox/3. You guys can improve upon it. Timbaaa (talk) 02:44, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

@Timbaaa: @Shanze1: I have looked into it, i think we can add this in article now, but i am not sure where should we add it, In the lead? Or a seprate section? - Mayankj429 (talk) 09:02, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

@Mayankj429: I think at the start of January section is the best place. Shanze1 (talk) 09:28, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

@Mayankj429:, @Shanze1: There is a small problem with the template. It can hold only 15 items maximum. I didn't notice that before. We have to split it and use it in parallel with sections (wherever we are splitting). Timbaaa (talk) 10:01, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

@Timbaaa: Then as I see in your sandbox, Timeline till 31 March can be added under January section as suggested by Shanze1 and Timeline from April under April Section. If you both agree than we can move forward to add it in article. - Mayankj429 (talk) 11:02, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

@Mayankj429:, @Shanze1: There was repetition in numbers in template, I corrected it with one blank slot for march. And I split into 3 to make room for new entries by Shanze1. We can use current one or initial version. I Agree for both. (talk) 13:09, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

@Timbaaa: Added it like it was in your sandbox. I think it looks fine. Thank you for work. Shanze1 (talk) 13:52, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

PEIS limits being exceeded

This page is not transcluding a navbox properly at the bottom, which means that it is strongly recommended to split the pages up before references stop showing up as well. I suggest doing it by month if all the information should be kept. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:36, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

+1. SerChevalerie (talk) 21:46, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu and SerChevalerie: I split the article into Timeline of the COVID-19 pandemic in India (January–May 2020) and Timeline of the COVID-19 pandemic in India (June–December 2020) to fix the issue. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 15:37, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Ahecht, thanks for doing that! —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:45, 8 September 2020 (UTC)