Talk:Tasunka Kokipapi

Move to a correctly translated name version

Even though he may be known mainly as "Young Man Afraid of His Horses", I suggest to move this article to "They-Fear-His-Horse" or "His-Horse-Is-Feared", for the mistranslation(s) is/are so grave. Redirects from his mistranslated name versions "Young-Man-Afraid-Of-His-Horses", "His-Horses-Are-Afraid" and "They-Fear-Even-His-Horses" will easily let find his article. Of course only if someone who knows the language agrees with this translation and can provide a reference. In this sense the first paragraph should be adapted, too. WaldiR (talk) 17:59, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

• Wikipedia naming convention calls for the article to be named for the most common name of the subject, and on Google hits, Young Man Afraid beats out They Fear Even His Horse(s). I agree with you though, it's a dreadful mis-translation. It would be nice to have some more input on the question. -- 00:21, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

• I agree with the change; it's time to use a more 'correct' translation and let a redirect from this poorly translated name. I support a move to "They-Fear-His-Horse" per WP:IAR. oncamera^(t) 23:34, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

• I oppose this change. Per WP:COMMONNAME, we are to use the name that is most commonly found in reliable sources and not the one that is the most "correct". The policy states "The term most typically used in reliable sources is preferred to technically correct but rarer forms, whether the official name, the scientific name, the birth name, the original name or the trademarked name." Silverseren^C 00:20, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose. There are too many variations of translations. You're not even being clear about which translation you are suggesting the move to. "Young Man Afraid Of His Horses" is the most common name. -Uyvsdi (talk) 00:45, 23 April 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi
• Oppose. I saw discussion of this issue outside Wikipedia and came here for a look, intending a possible change. Having read this discussion and copyedited the article, I now oppose the change. The Dakota-Lakota-Nakota Human Rights Advocacy Coalition is one of the three external links for this article, and their page on him is titled "Young Man Afraid Of His Horses". However noble our motivation, we are not — at least, I am not — of his people, and if we wish to be their allies, we should not second-guess them. --Thnidu (talk) 22:55, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
• Agree. Anyone who is opposed is a racist piece of shit making excuses for being a racist. First, we are talking about someone's name--it's not a democratic decision. Secondly, any source that uses such a brazenly propagandistic name is not a reliable source. Third, what we're actually talking about in this case is a TRANSLATION. Translations should, and must, be accurate. The criteria for "most common name" should not be used to disparage people. It's one thing to apply that standard to objects and phenomena that may be known by multiple descriptors, people whose names may be commonly subject to alternate spellings, or even for a human who has taken multiple names for themselves. As it stands, everyone is simply using an idiotic mindlessness to justify the perpetuation of racist propaganda. Based on your bullshit reasoning, Native Americans in the United States should be changed to "Indians".
• Agree. So you will continue to use a terrible translation made by people who had no interest allowing these people tell their own stories (because of access to printing machines). Because it was the one already being used and because its being used it has to be used? That is pretty circular logic you have going, how are you not dizzy, it makes me dizzy thinking about it. You might as well be a robot, and a poorly programmed one, if you insist on using this translation instead of making the effort to try to fix a serious mistake that we all see but you are all pretending we have no power to change it; when in fact we do. Surprised you were able to pass the captcha. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.189.217.216 (talk) 20:42, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Wrong name

Yeah seriously what kind of bullshit Pro-Imperialism propaganda is this? Get his name right. Why would we keep the embarassing mistra slation? Oh because it makes him look worse and the Americans look better? Gotcha. Fucking fix this. 2607:FEA8:9941:A300:ECCF:753B:7C05:4F01 (talk) 13:55, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

I went ahead and moved the page to a Lakota spelling of his name to end the mistranslation debate and provide a neutral POV for the article.  oncamera  _{(talk page)} 23:03, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Change name use throughout article

I appreciate that the page's official title has been changed to "Tasunka Kokipapi"!. However, throughout the article, the encyclopedic text still refers to him as Yong Man Afraid Of His Horses most of the time. For things that aren't pre-existing quotes or captions, wouldn't it make sense to replace his name in factual information with "Tasunka Kokipapi"? Moonspiders (talk) 20:25, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, it would make sense to update his name throughout besides the quotes. Feel free to make those changes.  oncamera  _{(talk page)} 22:16, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Done! Moonspiders (talk) 22:27, 18 December 2023 (UTC)