Talk:Sugarloaf Mountain

Set sugarcane

The expression "set sugarcane" bothers me.

Which meaning of "set" is this?

Guslacerda 21:43, 8 November 2005 (UTC);

It refers to the hardening of sugar from cane. Loaf sugar was produced from cane sugar syrup, which ultimately hardened. The result is a cone-shaped loaf, as mentioned in sugarloaf. The phrase which described sugar production has been replaced with mention of the common cone-shaped sugar. (SEWilco 05:21, 9 November 2005 (UTC))

Cost has gone substantially up with the weak dollar

The article quotes US $22 but it is currently R$53 (~US $30). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.60.176.232 (talk) 22:13, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

"Third World"

I am deleting the expression "third world" ("Opening of the tram. First lift of Brazil and the third world. The first cable cars were coated wood and were used for 60 years."), as this expression is outdated and not appropriate. Jgsodre (talk) 02:56, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: moved. So it's a primary topic question and those supporting have clearly proven that the Brazilian mountain meets the usage criterion, even when discounting the recent bump due to the WC, and no one has made a compelling case otherwise for the long-term significance (I do not consider "there are a lot of them" compelling) my finding is that there's a consensus to move. As a side note, it's interesting that Sugarloaf Mountain (disambiguation) doesn't appear to exist so I'll create that (edit: ah, because Sugarloaf (mountain) is a set index – I'll just point it there). Jenks24 (talk) 13:49, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

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Sugarloaf Mountain (Brazil) → Sugarloaf Mountain – The primary usage of Sugarloaf Mountain in the English language is the hill in Rio de Janeiro (per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC) meaning the use of the disambiguator "Brazil" is unnecessary. Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 13:39, 30 July 2014 (UTC) Hack (talk) 03:13, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose the primary topic in English for Sugarloaf Mountain is the mountain in Maine, Sugarloaf Mountain (Franklin County, Maine), where the Sugarloaf ski resort is, and which is frequently appears in the sporting and recreational English-language press -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 05:10, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

• Comment according to stats.grok.se, the English Wikipedia article on the Brazilian Sugarloaf has received 100975 hits this year vs 4810 for the mountain in Maine.

  

  Graph showing hits for Sugarloaf Mountains in USA and Brazil

  Hack (talk) 05:59, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

• Remember WP:RECENTISM due to the World Cup in Brazil. And how many of those hits are coming in from the redirects such as Pão de Açúcar ? Google hits: Brazil 63hits ; Maine 138hits; -- clearly "Sugarloaf" isn't showing Brazil as primary. [1] indicates that "Sugarloaf" may not be the most common name in English for this place in Brazil. -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 06:40, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

• May want to do that search again, you're searching for "+brazil" and "+maine". Hack (talk) 04:32, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

• Support. Sugarloaf Mountain in Brazil's capital, Rio, has always been a famous landmark, so should be the primary. As for Sugarloaf Mountain in Franklin County, Maine... where is Franklin County, Maine? --Bermicourt (talk) 06:59, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Rio is not an English speaking locality, whose mountain has alternate names; while Sugarloaf has a famous ski resort, and is located in an English speaking locality, and appears in the New York Times leisure and sports columns for decades -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 04:22, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
    • It's notability, not the local language, which is the decider. And Sugarloaf in Rio was a world famous landmark before skiing ever took off in Maine. --Bermicourt (talk) 06:36, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
      • Rio's has been known under a variety of names, so that doesn't mean that it is the "Sugarloaf Mountain"; there are other names for it to take. -- 65.94.169.222 (talk) 08:18, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose. Far too many Sugarloaf Mountains in the world for this one to be a clear cut primary topic. Calidum ^{Talk To Me} 14:28, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Shurely (sic) that should be "Far too many little known Sugarloaf Mountains in the US for any of them to compete with Sugarloaf in Rio as the primary topic!" --Bermicourt (talk) 06:39, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

• Support. Apart from pageviews the number of languages that have an article is also an indicator of which ones people round the world regard as primary. The Sugarloaf Mountain in Brazil has articles in significantly more languages than any of the other Sugarloafs. JMiall₰ 21:44, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose - per Calidum and Sugarloaf (mountain).   ArcAngel   (talk) ) 03:08, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
• Support, clear primary topic. Pageviews, man. Red Slash 05:50, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
• Support. I agree with Red Slash that the page views clearly show that this is the primary topic. The mountain in Maine isn't even the most-viewed in the US. kennethaw88 • talk 03:04, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
• Support. Sugarloaf Mountain in Rio is clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC based on page views and global recognition. Zarcadia (talk) 16:01, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose. Firstly, as Calidum notes, there are a lot of places named Sugarloaf Mountain. As Sugarloaf (mountain) states, "there are over 200 such designations in the United States alone" and "[t]here are over 450 hills, mountains or peaks named with a variant of 'sugarloaf' or 'sugar loaf'" in Australia. The usage aspect of PRIMARYTOPIC states that a primary topic whose primacy is based off usage should be "more likely than all the other topics combined" to be the one looked for. So far, no evidence has been provided that Rio's Sugarloaf is more popular or sought after than all those other ones combined, or even just the almost 30 other Sugarloaf Mountains that have articles.

Secondly, the recent World Cup in Brazil has made the pageviews for this one atypically high as of late, and therefore not representative of the normal level of reader interest it would get when it isn't having a globally-watched sporting event held near it, which, of course, it usually is not. In the past 30 days, 15.8% of the article's views came in a single day, July 13, which also just happened to be the day the World Cup final was held in Rio. Add to that the day after the final and day of the France-Germany match in Rio (July 4), and those three days make up nearly 30 percent of the views (29.5%) out of the past 30 days. That seems unlikely to be a coincidence, to say the least. Egsan Bacon (talk) 02:02, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

OK. Here's the stats. If you look at this search for all the terms on the disambiguation page (including all the ones that only have an article for the parent peak or range) plus a few other redirects etc, and change the search period to 'all you've got' to average long-term as much as possible then:

• Battle of Okinawa is clearly the most viewed. I assume people are mainly not viewing this to see the single mention of Sugar Loaf Hill.
• The Sugarloaf Mountain in Rio has had ~260 kviews. (the recent boost is only ~20 kviews)
• All the other hill/mountain things called Sugarloaf combined <190 kviews JMiall₰ 09:45, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose. There are many places termed "Sugarloaf mountain". 331dot (talk) 09:48, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
• Suport - Seems to be clearly the primary topic. Sure, there are others, but this fits all the requirements page view wise. It's a bit troubling that a lot of !voters are using anecdotal evidence of "this other mountain is better known" when the numbers say otherwise.--Yaksar (let's chat) 17:57, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Easily the primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:59, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

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Glacial action? Compare & contrast with Half Dome the domes of Tuolumne Meadows, Yosemite.

The Sugar Loaf Mountain is visibly similar to Half Dome & the domes of Tuolumne. Would it be possible for an expert to comment on whether or not this is so? Also, when last I visited Yosemite, much was made of Glacial action in the formation of Half Dome & the Glacier Apron featurew - did glaciation play a role if forming the Sugar Loaf? If so (and perhaps if not too) it would be useful & interesting if an explanation or theories on how it was formed could be included here. Or is desert erosion, rather than glacial action, thought to be either the cause of the shape or the cause of the smooth finish? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 135.196.5.155 (talk) 17:06, 17 August 2016 (UTC)