Talk:Subway (restaurant)/Archive 1

(Older discussion)

Is this an encyclopedia article or an advertisement? I think it should be removed. SR

Looks like an encyclopedia article to me. A bit short, though. Bryan Derksen

"Hey folks, Subway® Restaurant's 7 sandwiches with 6 grams of fat or less have a calorie range of 230-370 and have as little as 3 grams of fat. Choosing one of these subs can save hundreds of calories and at least 21 grams of fat in just one meal! Buy now! Look at Jared, he lost hundreds of pounds, so can you! Come to Subway!" ...and that is advertising! ~ RW

It looks like both. I'd favor editing out details about the store's offerings, and beefing up the corporate info. --67.171.28.197 04:47, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)

What, aside from being an oxymoron, is "vegetarian meat selection"? Tjwood 22:44, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I was thinking the same thing. SECProto 00:17, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Most likely referring to the fake meat products vegetarians like to eat - some of them taste pretty good, in my opinion, although perhaps not exactly the same as true meat. My local Subway does not sell them, so I can't confirm that any of them do. Perhaps some confirmation, and rephrasing, is do? RW 02:22, Jan 6, 2005 (UTC)

Subway has more outlets than McDonald's? This fact needs to be linked to some document.

I've added subway.com's History of Subway as an external link. Quoting: "It is the world’s largest submarine sandwich chain with more than 21,000 restaurants in 75 countries. As a matter of fact, the SUBWAY® chain operates more units in the US and Canada than McDonald’s® does." RW

Hello everyone, I am new to wikipedia and I know I have done a major edit(and am about to change other things ) to this article and to avoid having anyone think I am being a vandal- I thought I'd list why I've changed some of the things-they are all factual- I am an area supervisor for a large subway franchisee. (1) the headquarters of DAI the parent company is Ft. Lauderdale, FL (for tax purposes). The day to day operations are conducted by Franchise world headquarters in Milford, so I didn't change the box on the right of the page. (2) Someone had put that in the 1990's. Subway overtook Mcdonalds in the US. This was even reported in some newspapers and magazines. This was not true. They became the largest restaurant change in North America in the 1990's. This year they should (or may have already) overtake McDonalds in the US. (3) I put information about the original location and name in the article. Fred DeLuca himself once said he changed the name because when people would call and hear "Pete's Submarine ..." they would think that they were a Seafood Pizza shop. Not sure if he was kidding so left that out of the article. jcam

More edits- (1) moved sentence about Jared to first paragraph to avoid having info of similiar info listed twice separately. (2) removed reference to why a submarine sandwich is called a sub- a first grader could figure that one out. (3) Included information about subway corporate structure. Some cynics have described the structure of subway to a mafia organizaion with DAI being the "godfather"(no I didn't put that in the article !!!) (3) Cleaned up some of the listings of subs (including the reference to 'veggie burger'- don't know why someone listed that since that is an optional product which isn't at even half the Subway's. I left it in their but changed it to Garden Burger/Veggie Max since, I think a 'veggie burger' is something which is meant to taste like a beef hamburger but is not. The Subway's which do serve the Veggie Max serve something which many resemble a rectangular burger, but the intent was not to make it taste like a burger(imho it tastes like stove top stuffing)(4) added reference to toasting which was a major subway decision brought about by competition from Quizno's. -- jcam

SR is 100% correct ... this is clearly an advertisement & the corporation's minnions are very quick to remove or reword any legitimate criticisms so that they look favourable to the company. This makes a joke of any pretences this page has to being an encyclopedia entry so yes it should be removed or at the very least completely & impartially reworked. Ashtonstreet01 (talk) 04:56, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Reinstatment of Subway's inconsistent comparison advertisements

"Furthermore, Subway is inconsistent with their comparison advertisements. As explained previously, Subway never includes cheese, mayo, or other high fat condiments in their sandwiches' nutritional content. But when they compare their sandwiches to that of fast food sandwiches (such as the Big Mac and Whopper) in their advertisements and on their napkins, their nutritional content is taken straight from their competitor's nutrition information, which in the case of McDonald's and Burger King, always includes their standard condiments, including cheese/special sauce (Big Mac) and mayo (Whopper). Thus the comparisons shown on TV are not completely accurate or fair."

Okay, I recently tried to reinstate this paragraph only to get it shot down by (I'm guessing a mod) for apparently not providing sources. Well, the sources would be Subway's/McDonald's/Burger King's online nutritional information along with Subway's napkins (which does a side-by-side-by-side comparison of one of Subway's sandwiches along with the Big Mac and Whopper). But how does one go about citing these sources while at the same time not making the paragraph unneccesairly longer? Also, how does one site a napkin? I believe this is a very important part of the criticism section so I do want to see how to make this bit of info acceptable.76.177.174.82 00:58, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

More food

A way to get them to put more tomatoes, pickles, etc. on your sub is, instead of asking for a sub "with everything," say "with tomatoes... and pickles... and olives... and jalapenos..." etc., etc. adding one ingredient at a time. That works sometimes, because if you say "with everything," they try to be sparing with the ingredients in order to make room for everything, whereas if you ask for one ingredient at a time, they just pile it on there until it can hardly fit. Now there's good eatin'. Nathan256 29 June 2005 15:14 (UTC)

Subway tricks, eh? Well, I'm never stingy with the vegetables. People can say I'm stingy and don't give as much out because of food costs, but people have to remember- I don't give a damn about food costs! Deskana 22:58, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Yes maybe you're not stingy but perhaps you'd prefer not to have a sub with everything falling out of it in front of your customer.

Just make sure that the 'with everything' doesn't include ghb in your drink

It annoys me when people do that too... because they don't know our managers can give us grief if we put the salads on in the wrong order... seriously! Subway regulations can be stupid. Deskana 19:21, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

The worst offenders are the Rottinghaus Company, based in La Crosse WI. They own several Subways in the Midwest from Wisconsin to Missouri and Kansas. They used to stick with a "formula" for the amount of veggies and meat that went on the sandwiches and salads. Now due to the rising food costs, they tell their "sandwich artists" to be "con artists" and skimp on everything thay can when making a customer's sandwich. If a sandwich artist actually makes a sandwich according to Subway's product formula, that particular store manager will not make the unrealistic food cost percentage that the owners insist each store makes and gets disciplined. I used to work for these people and I don't know which was worse, The store owners or the customers who caught on to this scheme. I tried several times when I was a store manager to contact the owners or even the district manager about this issue and was told by the district manager that she did not have to communicate with the store managers unless there was a problem with their weekly sales reports and she would not accept phone calls from them. So much for company support. I quit as soon as I heard that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kcbadboy (talk • contribs) 08:31, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Sub Club

I changed the "last date" for the Sub Club because the Subways in my market are going until 1/28, but I'm not positive that there aren't any going even later... does anyone have a definitive answer? Brjaga 05:25, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi, do you have a source for the change in the Subway date? Thanks. Tfine80 05:25, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Nothing I can link to, but I work at one in Southeastern PA, and we've had a poster on our wall since mid-October saying we'd redeem them until January 28. Trust me... I've told plenty of customers, so I know I've got the date right. Brjaga 05:27, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Some American (I'm English) customers I served on New Years Eve said that their market had phased them out already when I offered them stamps. We certainly have no plans to phase them out- the owner fitted a new reel in the stamp machine today. Deskana (talk page) 23:37, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm surprised your store is still giving them out to be honest! I'm a Subway franchisee in the North of England, which was one of the first markets in the UK to phase out the stamps. All the communication I've seen from around last May onwards has made it clear that stamps are being 100% phased out in this country with no exceptions. Certainly I've not been offered any at any of the stores I've visited in recent months.

I'd be very surprised if your store continues offering them for much longer, especially considering the replacement swipe card is due to start trialing this year. Khronos 17:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Just been to a store tonight for dinner, and, as far as I know, there are no plans to discontinue the stamps here in Brazil. Psi-Lord 04:17, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I am an assistant manager in a Subway in the northern US, the plans (for America anyway) are to all be swipe cards, from what I understand certain owners dislike the idea, especially those without a cheaply gotten DSL or other high speed internet connection, those areas are still doing the stamps. We and most of the US use the cards at this point, $1 earned per point, 75 for a foot long, 50 for a six inch, and so on for others. --BradytheLo (talk) 02:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Article edits

I made major edits to the article formatting. This is so that hopefully, someday, it will be a featured article! I was looking at the menu on the McDonald's article and I roughly based it off that. I removed the amounts of slices and stuff that is put on as it is relevant only to an employee of the company, really. Any other questions about my edits, feel free to contact me directly if you want. :-) Deskana (talk page) 23:45, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

More stores than McDonald's

I think the reason there are physically more Subway stores than McDonalds is that a Subway store simply costs a lot less to build/maintain than a McDonalds.

To really compare the two, and then discuss reasons, sales volume is a better metric. 63.173.203.140 20:01, 9 February 2006 (UTC)Paul

A fair comparison I'd say. The store I work in (Stockport, UK) is one of the biggest in the area, and the McDonalds near it has twice as much space on the ground floor alone, ignoring the second floor which is actually even bigger. Technically speaking, the area of their store is 4 times larger and ours (and they have their own car park) out back, including a drivethrough section. Deskana (talk) 20:17, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Subway Location

Our city now has two Subways. One just opened up in Wal-Mart. This one served breakfast, while the one in town does not. PrometheusX303 00:33, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Subway in Finland

There are at least four or five Subways in Helsinki alone now, and most likely at least one in all other major cities (Turku, Tampere, Lahti, Jyväskylä, Kuopio, Oulu, Rovaniemi, ...) also. Thanks to Subway, I have all but stopped eating at McDonald's or Hesburger when I eat fast food. The only thing I don't particularly like is how they wrap each straw in a separate plastic container. It's a straw! It's not going to be a major source of contamination! Could the restaurant try to be a little more environmentalist? JIP | Talk 21:57, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Too much menu info, not much else.

Seriously, this article is like 60% menu info. Not like an encylopaedia should be at all. This should be stripped down and more actual corporate, company info should be added - it should probably we entirely re-written - anyone want to do this? Also, the History is terrible - just look at McDonalds to see how it really should be. --Mark 11:37, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Menu

Moved all the menu stuff into a new article: Subway menu as it's always going to be too listy to look any good inside the main article. -- I@n ≡ talk 14:54, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Good work, just what was needed. --Mark 16:22, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was move. —Nightstallion (?) ^{Seen this already?} 14:33, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

Subway Restaurants → Subway (restaurant) – The store is known as Subway. I've never heard of a store called Subway Restaurants. Or to put it another way, McDonalds Restaurants is only a redirect to McDonalds. -- I@n ≡ talk 16:35, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree.--Mark 16:22, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Survey

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~

• Support as proposer. -- I@n ≡ talk 15:13, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose. At least in Canada, the TV commercials now sometimes say "Subway Restaurants". I can only imply from the ads that "Subway Restaurants" is indeed the full name. Kirjtc2 16:23, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Not per their website. Naming the article Subway Restaurants is like calling Toyota, Toyota Cars, or Goodyear, Goodyear Tyres or Hewlett-Packard, Hewlett-Packard Computers. -- I@n ≡ talk 16:45, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[1] has "Official Subway Restaurants Web Site" as the header. Meanwhile, this legal document [2] displays the legal name as "Subway Restaurants Inc.", while this press release [3] announces the arrival of "Subway Restaurants" to the Illinois Turnpike, and this franchise directory [4] also calls it "Subway Restaurants". Kirjtc2 04:19, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I am not a lawyer and I don't fully understand the legal staus of the company name, but that's not really the issue here. The article title should be the name of the restaurants which happen to be called Subway. Doctor's Associates Inc. and a legal entity that may or may not exist called Subway Restaurants can be referred to in the article. McDonald's refers to McDonald's Corporation in it's opening sentence. -- I@n ≡ talk 09:16, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the website refers to "SUBWAY Restaurants". Surely if we're going by that argument the page should have the caps too. --Darth Deskana (Darth Talk) 09:46, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I think that's because Subway is the name of the business, and because that word is very ambiguous, they sometimes put Restaurants to clarify. - Mark 11:00, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I work in a Subway in the UK and all the references to the company are either to "Subway" or "Doctor's Associates". I have never heard the company referred to as "Subway Restaurants" in all my time there. --Darth Deskana (Darth Talk) 16:57, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

• Support. I've never heard them call themselves "Subway Restaurants" before. By all means have a redirect ar 'Subway Restaurants' though. -- Mark 16:27, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
• Support. I feel that them being called "Subway Restaurants" has been taken out of context. "Come and visit our Subway Restaurants" or something like that. Besides, I've read all the small print on the signs at work (I work in a Subway) and have never seen any mention about "Subway Restaurants". Actually we were given a survey by the council to decide whether our individual store was a restaurant or a fast food outlet... so I support, basically. --Darth Deskana (Darth Talk) 16:55, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
• Support. Good way to disambiguate (is that english?) Sfacets 13:49, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose. As I understand it, the correct name for the corporation should be used. That seems to be 'SUBWAY Restaurants'. This name appears often on the web site. In fact, if you look at the title they use for the pages on their web site, it is some form of 'SUBWAY Restaurants' Web Site'. Vegaswikian 06:25, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose It is not necessary to change the title. In fact, Subway receipts read "Subway Sandwiches and Salads". --Mrath 04:06, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The U-gouge Debate

I think it should be mentioned somewhere in the article. Some may not remember, but they switched to the new side-style cut back in 2000 or 2001. There has been some criticism regarding this decision, as outlined in this infamous rant. --Dragon695 22:57, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I've seen that done and it seems a pain. Perhaps that's cause I'm used to the hinge cut. Actually, if the hinge cut is done properly, then the sandwich does keep all the stuff in... people don't cut at the right angle, nor do they layer the salads correctly. I've got it down to a fine art, even if I say so myself. --Lord Deskana ^{Dark Lord of the Sith} 22:58, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm moving the hinge-cut criticism here because it is unsourced.

Subway is also criticized for their new "Hinge Cut", a method of cutting the bread in one piece. This is as opposed to the old 2 piece U shaped canyon method of cutting the subs called the U-Gouge.

Prometheus^-X303- 23:08, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

The forms they used when they did the u-gouge, held 5 pieces of bread horizontally, 2 forms, 10 bread, in a full pan. The forms now hold 4 bread per form, 8 per full pan, the bread flattens out more making it more suited to the hinge cut than the u-gouge. It is more difficult to accomplish now because of this. When I started at Subway, we still had the forms and in the time of transition, I was taught both. If you ask an average employee they'll only have a general idea of how to go about it, and usually butcher the task. --BradytheLo (talk) 02:58, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Alternative logos

I have seen some stores with alternative logos than the one currently in the article, I have seen a simular one but with a full black background and different style font, when I make one from a font on my trusted goldenweb.it it will apear here so you can see what it looks like, if you approve I will put it in the article. Lenny 13:25, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Image:Alternative subway logo.PNG An alternative logo, which I made. Lenny 13:34, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

That's actually an old logo. They only changed within the last few years so a lot of locations still have it. Kirjtc2 14:13, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I see, I prefer the old logo out of the two as it looks newer! Lenny 14:27, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Short independant bio of Subway

Los Angeles Business Journal article on "Restaurant groups" has a short bio of Subway since it had the most locations in LA County: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m5072/is_21_28/ai_n16484655

"Subway has grown in recent years because it doesn't rely on extensive kitchen facilities and is thus able to open stores in smaller storefronts than other fast-food operations"

That's something to add to the article, at least; and theres much more there! JesseW, the juggling janitor 22:38, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Failed GA nomination

I failed this article for two reasons. For one thing, it is underreferenced with only three to speak of. Also, it has a rather extensive bulleted list under the "Pop Culture and Subway" section. Some P. Erson 20:01, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Merge of Sandwich artist

I feel that the Sandwich artist page should be merged into Subway. It is essentially a job description of a Subway employee, and is not that long. --Mrath 04:09, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Between Operations and the menu section with a "see below" where the link is now? TransUtopian 23:42, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree too. Strong merge and cut down. There doesn't seem to be anything special about this position. Could be merged as a single line saying Subway store employees are known by this term Bwithh 03:35, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Source for revenues

In the article subways revenues for 2005 was stated as 9.05 billion USD, I couldn't find that anywhere on there website. Is there a source to back that up? Aren't they a privated company and therefore not required to publish financial statement? Pseudoanonymous 02:04, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Operations

I removed the line "Another example is in Mt. St. Helens." as an example of a "non-traditional location". Being in or near a national park alongside other restaurants doesn't seem to be a non-traditional location. And that wording makes it sound as if it is in the actual volcano! :) Somebody may have just wanted to add that there is a Subway near Mount Saint Helens but put it in the wrong spot. 75.33.77.29 10:56, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Criticism

I removed the following because it is not true:

"On their website, Subway.com, the group specifies that a diet of Subway food will incur little or no weight loss." citing a "Health Disclaimer" at subway.com/subwayroot/menunutrition/jared/index.aspx

What it really says is "Your loss, if any, will vary."

75.33.77.29 11:06, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Subway menu

There's no reason to have a specific subarticle devoted to the Subway menu. That article is pretty close to indiscriminate information and should be cut radically. As far as I'm concerned, the current two paragraphs in the main article are all one needs. Pascal.Tesson 17:00, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I've made some edits to the menu article, but I'm not sure why it exists in the first place. -- Zsero 19:15, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the information is rather indiscriminate and looks haphazardly organized. (There's a morbid fascination in including prices, sheesh.) The Subway B.M.T. at least should be pointed out somehow, as the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Subway's B.M.T. resulted in a merge to Subway menu. Veggie Delite has an article, too. (I won't comment on the notability of that article.) Tinlinkin 01:18, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Criticism

Furthermore, Subway is inconsistent with their comparison advertisements. As explained previously, Subway never includes cheese, mayo, or other high fat condiments in their sandwiches' nutritional content. But when they compare their sandwiches to that of fast food sandwiches (such as the Big Mac and Whopper) in their advertisements and on their napkins, their nutritional content is taken straight from their competitor's nutrition information, which in the case of McDonald's and Burger King, always includes their standard condiments, including cheese (Big Mac) and mayo (Whopper), and their newest menu item, big salty hairyballs.

This may be a confusing to people unfamiliar with Subway since they obviously don't have any 'standard condiments'. I was considering improving it myself but I felt it would just make a bad sentence worse. Can anyone work out how to improve it or should we just delete the whole thing (which is unsourced anyway). Nil Einne 13:18, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Subway's nutritional information currently uses the following explanation: "Subs with 6 grams of fat or less include wheat bread, lettuce, tomatoes, pickles, onions, green peppers and olives. All other sandwich values include cheese unless otherwise noted. Salads contain meat/poultry, standard vegetables and do not include salad-dressing or croutons. Addition of other condiments and fixings will alter nutrition values." The complete nutritional information download also lists the optional condiments and add-ons separately: http://subway.com/subwayroot/MenuNutrition/Nutrition/pdf/NutritionValues.pdf The criticism has been previously removed from the wiki but if it is restored it should at least reflect that cheese is only omitted for the "under 6" subs. Jlick (talk) 10:36, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

What is Doctor's Associates?

Doctor's Associates links here. It is not explained beyond "Subway's parent corporation". So what is it? Who started it? Is Doctor's Associates a tax shelter for a certain group of physicians? -71.51.51.120 18:04, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

No: the 'doctor' in question is Dr. Peter Buck. Tlesher 23:25, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. Believe it or not, I thought Subway did that to mislead customers into thinking that Subway's food was endorsed by doctors (as Subway does try to project a "health food" image).76.177.190.137 15:45, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the name was chosen because (1) Peter Buck was indeed a doctor- a PhD not a medical doctor and Fred DeLuca, the other co-founder was going to college to become a doctor. He of course never got to that point... Jcam (talk) 04:33, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Subway In PopCulture as Trivia

I disagree with Skeezix1000 characterization fo the rewritten Subway in Popular Culture section as trivia and deserving of that tag. WP:TRIVIA lists inapproriate trivia sections as "lists of isolated facts" that ultimately make the article difficult to read. Certainly, the Subway in Popular Culture section met this requirement until recently. However, the suggested method for handling such trivia sections is by organizing them and incorporating them into the article. It even suggests that trivia can be "grouped into a new section of related material." With the recent revision, I believe this is what has been done. The Subway in Popular Culture section is now in a clear, readable format that does not mar the presentation of the overall article. I do not believe that it any longer meets the definition of a trivia section according to Wikipedia's style manual. I would greatly appreciate any comments or other views. Dekkanar 16:53, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Subway menu listed for deletion

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Subway menu —Moondyne 02:55, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Subway In Popular Culture

I personally feel that this area is a little disorganized and sloppy. Is it possible that someone could re-format into a neater bullet-style format? Kyotodesertfox 18:37, 26 September 2007 (UTC)KyotoDesertFox

Fishy Edit

It was probably an accident, but at 13:22, 21 September 2007 the link to an investigation of subways sub sizes was replaced to point to the subway webpage. I replaced the original link. ~~

Maybe it's just me, but I don't see why an encyclopedia article about a restaurant chain should denote this one particular lawsuit above all others. Seems like someone's just trying to make them look bad. --75.146.61.185 (talk) 00:42, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Source

Der Spiegel Nr. 11/12.3.2007, „Verdruss im Stullenreich“, P. 88 (SUBWAY FRANCHISE OWNERS UNHAPPY - Sinking Subs in Germany English at Spiegel Online International)--Nemissimo (talk) 16:27, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Myth or Truth???

I am posting this small article here on Wikipedia in search for the Truth, the question I pose upon you people is:

Do Subway pump the smell of fresh bread out into the streets to entice customers?

Only factual answers please, preferably with evidence to back this up! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Belly007 (talk • contribs) 19:36, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

No we don't pump our bread smell out the only the reason you do smell that is usally the fan that sucks the hot air out of the store. This smell is only smelt when bread is being baked depending on how busy the subway gets. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.212.143 (talk) 04:19, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I think it would be a terrific idea, though... Proxy User (talk) 23:46, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Bruegger's does this, they have a small duct that goes from the oven to the front vestibule. --- Jeremy (talk) 01:15, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Israel

There uses to be subway outlets in Israel (see http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb4803/is_199208/ai_n17452287 ) and now there aren't. Anybody kinow the story? Does it belong in this article? Mikedelsol (talk) 06:35, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

WP:FOOD Tagging

This article talk page was automatically added with {{WikiProject Food and drink}} banner as it falls under Category:Restaurants or one of its subcategories. If you find this addition an error, Kindly undo the changes and update the inappropriate categories if needed. You can find the related request for tagging here -- TinucherianBot (talk) 11:15, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Vatican

The list of locations included the Vatican... where would that be exactly? Apart from St Peter's Basilica, about the only areas of Vatican territory open to the public are St Peter's Square itself, and (for a charge) the Vatican Museum. There are a few other streets just north of the square, but the Swiss Guard won't let you in without some reason for being there. Anyway I've been round all the public bits a year ago and I'm 99% sure there was no Subway.

I've just removed it from the list.. if there is actually a Subway please add it back, but remember the Borgo district (including Via di Porta Angelica) isn't Vatican territory. See the Google map[5]. 143.167.114.91 (talk) 16:25, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I've never been there, but I just spent ten minutes on Google looking for one, and I think you're right. The only Rome-area address of a Subway is "Via di Decima 12 Centro Comerciale Euroma2 Rome 00100". Google maps couldn't find this address, but it's not obvious that it's located in the Vatican. Tan | 39 16:34, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

"Centro commerciale" sounds like a shopping mall. Definitely not the Vatican, actually makes me wonder how many other wrong entries are in that list! 143.167.114.91 (talk) 16:52, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Me again, from another PC in the uni library. Instead of fixing the errors in this list, why not get rid of it completely. It takes up loads of screen space and doesn't add much to the article. One line with this reflink [6] would be enough to show that Subway is a global business, and anyone that needs to can click it to see the countries. 143.167.169.28 (talk) 17:41, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, at face value I agree, but this seems to be an accepted section in many similar articles - see McDonald's or Burger King, for example. I think that you tweaking the list to be more accurate is fine; however, careful about just removing locations with no explanation. I would say in the edit summary why you believe that the location should be removed. Tan | 39 18:09, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok, if it's a standard feature then you're right to keep it. The countries I removed are the ones not in Subway's own corporate list (which I added at the top of that section as a reference) so I don't see how that could be controversial. 143.167.184.192 (talk) 13:41, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Global locations

"Poland" - Where in Poland any Subway exist ? --Krzyzowiec (talk) 02:23, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that list is wrong. I just removed Ukraine from the list after double-checking with the Subway site. TheDmitryPetrov (talk) 17:51, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Unverified Voice-Over Claim Removal

On 2 August 2009 an anonymous user added "The voice-over in all the Subway advertisements was done by Donald James, who does proffesional voice-overs." See: Special:Contributions/58.105.183.66. I am removing this for the following reasons: 1) This IP has previously been involved in vandalism. 2) There is no citation of a source of the claim. 3) I cannot find any confirmation of this claim elsewhere, even on Donald James' own web site. 4) It was added in the wrong section. 5) The original edit was misspelled (though since corrected and reworded) 6) I have been involved in making Subway advertisements that did not use Donald James' services. For all I know he may have done voice-overs for some or many advertisements, but the claim that he has done them all is demonstrably untrue.

The combination of these reasons lead me to believe that the addition is unsupportable. Jlick (talk) 09:09, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Drinks trademark not compulsory for Subway outside the USA

It seems that Subway isn't bound by contract to offer Coca-Cola and related soft drinks outside the USA. In Spain, for instance, they still offer Pepsi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.24.92.224 (talk) 14:07, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

New texting system

There is currently a pilot program going on in San Diego, Bakersfield and some other college towns in Southern California that lets customers text in their orders and pick it up, instead of having to wait in line to order, pay and pick it up. I'd like to create a new section called "Texting Pilot" or something similar and mention this. If this succeeds other Subway franchises nationwide might institute the system. The source is MSNBC. Should this be added to the article? Thanks! Rosestiles (talk) 12:31, 29 January 2010 (UTC)RoseStiles

Food quality?

If this article is meant to be neutral, why is there is no mention of the fact that SUBWAY® sandwiches are well known for giving people diarrhoea? The phenomena is even mentioned in an episode of Family Guy (Hannah Banana when Peter Griffin says "I just fed him a whole bag of SUBWAY® sandwiches. In a couple hours, we are going to sit around and throw his soft bread stool at each other". I can only speak from painful experience after I used to work within walking distance of several SUBWAY® outlets. Periodically I used to buy a meal deal and then suffer chronic digestive tract failure six hours later. On doing a Google search for subway sandwiches plus: stomach ache, diarrhea or shits results reveals that from the amount of cites listed, other people also suffer from the same affliction. This is not just anecdotal evidence because these are only the cases where people have even bothered to report a problem. Who knows how big the real rate is? Ten fold? Twenty fold? I mean how often would you report that you had the craps after eating food from a particular fast food outlet chain on the net, if it were not a regular occurrence? To be balanced, over the years , I have eaten plenty of times at McDonalds or Burger King and never had a problem with any of their products (or Pizza Hut, for that matter).

But don't just take my word for it, this was posted seven years ago:

Nothing Shits Bigger Than Subway

I don't know what it is about Subway sandwiches, but man, you can count on one behemoth of a dooger the next day, or at least I can. I planted myself on the can and I thought for a moment that I may have, in fact, been losing my intestines. That Jared guy must spend the better part of his life sitting on the crapper.

Posted by Ryan at March 14, 2003 04:39 PM Source

I empathise with the guy. As I can speak from personal first hand experience. If this article is meant to be neutral, I can only think that the SUBWAY® must spend millions trying to keep this fact quiet and out of the mainstream media. I really do.

Jack Koneal UK —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.171.16.115 (talk) 19:16, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

$5 footlongs

Hey guys, the regular $5 footlongs vary by market. I'm removing the list that is used in the majority of markets. Besides, Wikipedia isn't a soap box anyways. Jgera5 (talk) 03:27, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Sub club phaseout

Subway is no longer giving points on the cards. The points may be redeemed through July 31st, 2010 in some areas, I've seen one mention in a forum that they're being cut off Feb 8th, 2010. The cards can still be used as reloadable cash cards for use at Subway restaurants. I've seen the signs with the July 31 date at two locations.

Strange, they've only just started using them here in the UK. --139.133.7.237 (talk) 10:54, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

The UK scheme is completely separate from the US cards. There is no cash card facility in the UK scheme and it runs to a completely different model, similar to that developed for the New Zealand market. It is due to be rolled out in other parts of Europe over the coming years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.200.4.236 (talk) 20:57, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

U-cut v Side cut

Would it be worthwhile including something about this? I don't know what the case is in the U.S., but in Australia Subway started to use a standard sandwich bar cut through the middle of the roll - causing the fillings to fall out easily. They used to use a unique-to-Subway U-shaped cut into the top of the bun and fillings were piled up inside the roll and the top placed back on - this technique created a roll where all the filling were on top of each other and they didn't fall out anywhere near as easily - a much better cut in my opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.215.24.190 (talk) 04:50, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

List of restaurants

I reverted the introduction of this section according to the following policies; MOS:FLAG WP:ICONDECORATION WP:INDISCRIMINATE. It's rather a long list and essentially is derived through original research using the source cited, which doesn't actually state the information conveyed. If there was a more straightforward cite that actually states the countries, or it was listed without all the icon decoration, it would perhaps be ok. Otherwise, I would suggest the best place to refer a reader where to find a Subway restaurant is the Subway website. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 17:26, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Global Locations

as the global locations of subway stores page is up for deletion I have moved the essential parts of that page to this one. It is only the list of countries which have Subway locations please do not move it back as it was before Rctycoplay (talk) 00:23, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

And it remains a hefty chunk of icon decoration and original research, as explained above. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 22:08, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

I've moved the remaining text up to the history section - no need for it to have its own section. I've also updated the numbers listed and added a ref tag for the updated figures. --- Barek (talk) - 16:51, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Subway in North Korea?

I believe there is an error in the intro where it is mentioned that Subway is in Pyongyang, maybe the author meant Seoul? --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 22:08, 25 January 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simmsa (talk • contribs)

Unsourced Material

Article has been tagged long-term for needing sourcing. Please feel free to re-add the below material into the article with appropriate references. Thanks! Doniago (talk) 17:55, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Spnsorship

===Sponsorship=== Subway is the corporate sponsor in the NASCAR Sprint Cup series stock car for the Subway Fresh Fit 600, held at Phoenix International Raceway. In addition, Subway is currently a primary sponsor for the NASCAR Sprint Cup number 99 car, driven by Carl Edwards. In 2007, Tony Stewart has appeared with Jared Fogle in ads, and he has driven his #20 Home Depot Toyota with Subway primary sponsorship in the 2008 Subway Fresh Fit 500. Previously, Subway had sponsored Greg Biffle in the #16 car in 2005 and 2006. They also sponsor a pro-cycling team, and had their name on the shirts of Gretna F.C. before the club went bust in 2008. In the 1996 film Happy Gilmore, Subway was also the sponsor of the titular character. In July 2009, the Edinburgh Meadows baseball team announced that Subway will be their official sponsor for the forthcoming baseball season. Subway has also been a sponsor of the 2009 Little League World Series, where they advertised their Subway Fresh Fit Meals.

History prior to removal of unsourced material

== History == thumb|260px|Subway's logo used from August 28, 1965-2002. Fred De Luca borrowed $1,000 from family friend Peter Buck to start his first sandwich shop on August 28, 1965, when he was only 17 years old. He was trying to raise money to pay for college. He chose a mediocre location for his shop, the corner of East Main Street and Boston Avenue in Bridgeport, Connecticut, but by noon on opening day, customers were pouring in. On the radio advertisement they had promoted the name as Pete's Submarines, which sounded like "Pizza Marines", so they changed the name to "Pete's Subs"; eventually it adopted the "Subway" name and they decorated the store with maps of the New York City subway system; a theme that continues to this day. As of March 9, 2011, the company has 33,749 franchised locations in 95 countries and produced US$15.2 billion in revenue every year. In 2007, Forbes magazine named De Luca number 242 of the 400 richest Americans with a net worth of $1.5 billion. Subway restaurant, Pittsfield Township, Michigan In addition to traditional restaurants, Subway operates in many non-traditional locations. For instance, there are over 900 Subway locations in Wal-Mart stores and 200 on military bases, including several in Iraq and Afghanistan, in addition to three located inside The Pentagon, as well as an increasing number on college and university campuses. Subway restaurants have been consistently ranked in Entrepreneur Magazine's Top 500 Franchises, and Subway was selected as the #2 overall franchise in 2008. Additionally, it was ranked as the #3 "Fastest Growing Franchise", and the #1 "Global Franchise" as well. In March 2011, Subway was ranked the most popular Fast-Food Restaurant in the United States of America in a poll of over 43 thousand social media users. As of March 2011, Subway operates 34,246 stores in 95 countries and territories.

Some, but not all of the history content can be sourced to the company's FAQ materials. Note: this doesn't support all the anecdotal content, so the paragraph that was removed would need to be trimmed to only the portions supported. The sources are:

• http://www.subway.com/subwayroot/AboutSubway/subwayFaqs.aspx
• http://www.subway.com/subwayroot/AboutSubway/StudentGuide.pdf

I'm not able to work on this myself at the moment ... but may have time later today or tomorrow. --- Barek (talk) - 15:45, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Sub Club (prior to removal of unsourced material)

===Sub Club=== Sub Club Cards and Sub Club stamps For many years, Subway restaurants offered a customer rewards program called the "Sub Clubbers". Customers would receive special stamps with the purchase of a sandwich, earning one stamp for a six-inch sandwich and two for a foot-long; small cards called "Sub Club Cards" were also provided for customers to paste the stamps onto and keep them collected in an orderly fashion. Originally, stamps were redeemable for a free standard sandwich (charges for extras such as double meat or extra cheese still applied) with no other purchase required—twelve stamps for a free six-inch, and twenty-four stamps for a free foot-long. A Sub Club for kids was also established, with one stamp earned for every children's Value Meal purchased, ultimately earning a free children's meal for eight stamps. Later, the regular Sub Club was altered to eight stamps earning a free six-inch, and sixteen stamps for a free foot-long, with the added condition that a 21 fl oz (621 mL) or larger drink must be purchased to redeem the stamps. In early June 2005, Subway announced that the popular customer rewards program would be phased out due to counterfeiting. Another reason, which was not stated by the company, for the discontinuation of the program was that there was a large amount of internal theft of stamps by Subway employees and affiliates, including the sale of rolls of the stamps online at places such as eBay. Officially the Sub Club program has been discontinued in the US and Canada by Doctor's Associates and most other major markets such as Australia have also made local decisions to discontinue the program. The Sub Club program can, however, still be found in Germany and a small number of developing markets. Participating Subway restaurants in U.S. and Canada now offer a "Subway Card" to customers, which functions as a stored-value cash card. In some states and provinces, the card also functions as a "Subway Rewards Card" allowing customers to earn points for free food and sandwiches. Unlike the Sub Club program, no other purchase is needed when redeeming points, and registered cards which are lost or stolen can be replaced. Subway runs periodic promotions that provide free subs for preloading a Subway Card with certain dollar amounts, which are usually listed at mysubwaycard.com. Restaurants in the UK and Ireland operate the "Subcard" rewards program. Unlike the US scheme, these cards cannot be used to store cash.

Products

Subway's main product is the submarine sandwich along with options of salad and now breakfast (domestically). Many stores also offer cookies, muffins, and others desserts which may be purchased in a variety of flavors. In order to ink the current deal with Coca-Cola, Coca-Cola offered to pay for the first rollout of toaster ovens to all existing restaurants in North America. Subway gave customers the option to have their sandwiches toasted due to increased competition from a rival sandwich chain, Quiznos, with the then trendy and standardized toasted submarine sandwiches. In Australia, the introduction of Fresh Toasting enabled the Subway Franchise to prevent Quiznos from gaining market share. The TurboChef and Merrychef toaster ovens are microwave-accelerated high-speed impinged hot air ovens. The deal with Coca-Cola led to Quiznos switching to Pepsi chain worldwide, except in Canada. Subway in Mexico still serves Pepsi products, however. Subway menus varies by country optional program (COP), store optional program (SOP), market only program (MOP) but retain their main entrees which are included at every store. The main food sold by the store is Submarine sandwiches, sold in "Six-inch" (15 cm), "Footlong" (30 cm), 18 inch (45 cm) "Mega Sub" and the four inch (10 cm) "Mini Sub" sizes. All Subway stores offer customers lettuce, tomato, onions, and other common vegetables, as well as market selected options such as carrot, corn, radish and avocado. Like other fast-food restaurants, they offer "limited time offers" or LTO along with offers catering for all types of occasions. They offer "Giant Subs", which are a minimum of three feet long. These giant sandwiches can be ordered in bulk and to nearly any specification, something which Subway has promoted as a part of their campaign to tailor every sandwich to the individual customer's taste. Subway also offers sandwich platters, which consist of 3 to 6 feet footlong sandwiches per platter. Cookie platters are also offered, consisting of 3 dozen cookies.

History section additions

Hoping to get a discussion started on this content. A couple IPs have been adding the following text to the history section regarding a claimed youngest franchisee:

(sample diff of edit being made)

However, the addition is unsourced. Also, even if a source could be found, there's no content about any other individual franchisee owner, so I don't see any reason to raise this one above all others. It appears to be tangentally related trivia that doesn't belong in the article.

I've removed the content, but starting this thread so the content can be discussed. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 02:06, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Without any sourcing I don't see that there's much to discuss, personally. If it is sourced, then I would agree that unless there's a significant amount of third-party discussion of this person, it's not notable enough to merit inclusion and possibly would be undue weight. Now if they were the youngest person ever to be a franchisee of anything, that might merit further attention....but then, there'd probably be significant sourcing to go along with that. Doniago (talk) 13:21, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

I've just removed this again. Uncited as before, and no indication why this employee is in anyway significant. Is his age really such a big deal? Why? Really nothing to be discussed until both these problems are cleared up. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 20:23, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

The page had been semi-protected for two weeks due to the repetitive re-addition of this material. Within 24 hours of that page protection expiring, the IP returned and continued their edit-warring over insertion of the material.

If this continues, a longer duration will need to be used for additional page protections. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 19:37, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Page locked for editing?

I'd like to make some edits for this page but there is no edit tab. Is this topic locked to edits for some reason? I don't see anything mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Totsubo (talk • contribs) 04:08, 23 May 2011

The page is currently semi-protected; see Wikipedia:Protection policy#semi for what this means ... the padlock icon in the upper right of the article also links to that page.

To request edits be made, the {{Edit semi-protected}} template can be used on this talk page. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 04:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Subway decor change

The new Subway restaurant at Wal-Mart in Ontario, Oregon (it was formerly a McDonalds) is not decorated in a New York City subway theme and the one in Weiser, Idaho has been redecorated with the subway map and newspaper article wallpaper replaced with a brick wall design. I haven't checked any others nearby to see if they've removed or covered that wallpaper. Perhaps the subway theme wallpaper is no longer available? It Changed. I dont think the subway decor will change angain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.116.100.2 (talk) 17:05, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

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Products Section

The products section currently appears to be little more than a haphazard collection of related facts, it doesn't read well and gives little information regarding the actual product range.

This will always be a difficult section, as there are a lot of variations in the Subway menu worldwide (and even in the same markets), but there core elements remain roughly similar and there needs to be more focus on this. I wouldn't advocate an enormous list of individual items as the page had a couple of years back, but there needs to be some focus on the core menu, rather than wasting space on specific locations of Kosher stores or how long a pizza takes in the toaster.

I'm happy to re-write the section when I have a bit of free time, does anyone have any feedback or ideas? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khronos (talk • contribs) 07:49, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

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Should be very clear when the chain reached its current sandwich line production

It is unclear if the chain had from the beginning the concept of sandwich algebra or production line, which is what distinguishes this franchise from other fast food products, or when exactly the current system was developed and established. djb — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.196.0.56 (talk) 00:14, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Photo Editing

How do I update and add photos on this page- logos, products and others are outdated.Ali0289 (talk) 14:38, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

WP:IMAGE Doniago (talk) 15:07, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 31 July 2012

On the Subway (restaurant) page, under the Doctor's Associates section, please change PhD to LHD since on Peter Buck's Wikipedia page, it clearly states that he earned LHD, not PhD.

This raises questions about why he named the organization Doctor's Associates Inc. As of now, the Suybway (restaurant) page states that because Peter Buck received a PhD, he named the organization Doctor's Associates. However, since this is incorrect as per Peter Buck's Wikipedia page, and since neither co-founders, nor the Subway restaurant chain have anything to do with the medical and or doctoral field, I believe there should be more discussion to this point. A case may be made for the fact that naming it this was causes unsuspecting customers to ascribe a higher value to the nutritional value of Subway restaurant food, but that is mere speculation and is not verifiable. The best person to speak to would be Peter Buck or Fred DeLuca, which I strongly encourage.

192.132.229.1 (talk) 17:00, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

The article at Peter Buck (restaurateur) clearly states he earned both an L.H.D. (from Bowdoin College) and a Ph.D. (from Columbia University). --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:01, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Done Clearly states it, but it's unsourced. The footnote for the Columbia Ph.D points to the page for the Bowdoin LHD. We can't take Wikipedia at face value. I've made the change here, but someone else can fix the Buck article. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:47, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Undone ... the existing Bowdoin source supports the statement of a Doctorate from Columbia University, as it states: "Peter Buck of the Bowdoin Class of 1952 is a nuclear physicist and philanthropist who is perhaps best known as the co-founder of the Subway franchise restaurant chain. A native of South Portland, Maine, he earned master’s and doctoral degrees in physics at Columbia University. From 1957 to 1978 he held positions as a nuclear physicist with several companies."[7]. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 02:37, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

I did a quick Google search, and found several additional sources. I've added two of those as additional refs for the statement in the Peter Buck article. Although I think it may be appropriate to rephrase this article to specify that he holds a doctoral degree in physics, which would clarify part of the point that the IP was making - that the degree is not a medical doctorate. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 03:22, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Guess I should have read that a bit closer. I see it a lot where links are reused like that to sneak something in, and this looked like one of those. Good job finding more references, though. Better to avoid confusion. Sorry for any annoyance, honest mistake. I also agree with the IP's point, and support rephrasing. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:46, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 11 Dec 2012

Requesting to add link to Subway page: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77eBQwPGgUA&feature=share This tells the story of Subway and will be useful for readers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kla2300 (talk • contribs) 21:22, 11 December 2012‎

Not done; highly promotional video that adds nothing not already covered in the article using reliable sources. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 22:18, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Sandwhich photograph

This photo is not an accurate representation pf the companies products. Instead it appears to be a staged marketing photograph. My though it it should be removed and replaced with a photo which accurately depicts the companies products. Wikipedia is not for advertising 108.172.115.8 (talk) 03:48, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

The sandwich photo is amateurish and low quality, so it is definitely not a "staged marketing photograph". The sandwich looks to me like what I get at Subway. I think the image should stay unless there is a higher quality image to replace it with. Deli nk (talk) 11:03, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

it is not made based on the restraunts own process. Meat should be flat, not folded. Bread should have a flat cut, not a dip in the centre. Just use google image search and look at what comes up (non-professional marketing photos) none of them look anything like that. This is a high volume fast food chain. They just dont produce that kind of food quality unless it is being staged. 108.172.115.8 (talk) 15:44, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

studying the photo more closely it is definately staged by a Subway store as the sandwhich is photographed in front of subway branded cellophane wrap box which is kept in the food prep area at the back of the store. The sandwhich also has not been wrapped, which all subways are (even dine-in orders). I agree the quality of the photo is amateur but the sandwhich has definately been staged by someone with a POV. 108.172.115.8 (talk) 16:01, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

It is possible it was a staged photo, but unless anyone has a licence free image of better quality to replace it I don't see the harm in it. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 17:58, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

I just checked it out, and now I want a sub. Without a car, that's a three hour walk. Quite hungry, thanks to this promotion. Can't concentrate, and Wikipedia suffers a bit. No policy against making Hulk hungry, though. For what it's worth, I've also never seen sandwich meat folded like that. Imagine the wait! InedibleHulk (talk) 21:25, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Well from the photo's metadata, that's how they serve them in Dawson, TX. Start walking. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 22:20, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

No thanks. I doubt folded meat tastes any better, and I've found cereal for now. Just agreeing with Mr. 108.172; it definitely seems like it wants to look tastier. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:27, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Student meal deal

Before offering the SubCard, restaurants in Glasgow, Scotland offered a student meal deal where you could get any sub, drink and cookie or crisps for £2.99. Was this a national thing or just regional? If it was available elsewhere then it might be worth adding to the article. ColinCameron (talk) 14:48, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

If a secondary source (not Subway) for this is available, it might be worth adding. Seems a bit promotional to discuss menu prices in an encyclopedia. But I'll have to see the source and the proposed edit before I can give my full two cents. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:19, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Controversy off-topic?

A new addition to the controversy section states:

According to a recent study conducted by the Palo Alto Medical Foundation Research Institute, "Adolescents who went to McDonald’s and Subway in Los Angeles bought about the same number of calories at each, despite Subway's reputation as a healthier place to eat." Despite Subway's claims it offers healthier fast food, "[Subway's] menus are not the point. [the] study was not based on what people have the ability to pick, [it was] based on what adolescents actually selected in a real-world setting."

Ref used: "Teens ate 'too many calories' at Subway and McDonald's, study says". Los Angeles Times. May 8, 2013.

To me, this reads more as a criticism about adolescent dietary choices; and while Subway was one of the locations used for the study, the controversy isn't specifically about Subway. How is a dietary decision of the customer a controversy about the company selling it? Unless the claim is that Subway should change their menu to exclusively carry healthy options instead of both healthy and higher-calorie options (not stated in the article, so would be original research). Opinions? --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 15:48, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Doesn't even seem like a controversy, let alone one about Subway. A study finds that kids buy calories, nobody disputes it, and there are no repercussions. Even if a restaurant just sold sprouts, a person could buy a million calories worth of sprouts. Not that there's anything unhealthy about 955 calories for lunch. You want energy or not? I've removed it. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:11, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

The main USP of Subway's marketing campaigns is that Subway's menu contains lesser calories than that offered by other fast-food chains, including McDonalds. The above-mentioned source refutes this notion, and thus, is relevant to the customers of Subway. Also, Barek's concern as to whether the claim is that Subway should change their menu to carry exclusively healthy options, the researchers of the above-metioned study claim exactly that by stating :'“The Subway chain claims it offers healthy fast food and helps its customers lose weight,” the researchers wrote. But they said the proof should be based on what people buy, not by what’s offered.' This may not qualify as a controversy, so I've moved the information to the 'Nutritional content' section of the wiki. Amitbalani (talk) 15:17, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

This is twisting the statements out of context. The study does not in any way state that Subway should change their menu selection - the study is on adolescent purchasing behavior. It's not a controversy, and certainly doesn't belong in the nutrition section either - although I could see an argument for adding it to the advertising section. The study does state that a factor in the purchasing behavior was the marketing materials and pricing - both of which promoted less healthy options. As InedibleHulk mentioned, if you eat enough of something, anything can be made unhealthy; the footlong promotions (while not called out, so shouldn't be linked to this in the article) are a prime example of promoting a rotating selection of large meals (a footlong sub is twice the size of most burgers in bulk alone, and subway's nutrition information appears to all be based on a 6-inch serving, so the footlong is two servings). --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 15:33, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

I can see why this can be considered as 'twisting the statements out of context.' The question of which section deserves to hold this information is really a matter of opinion, a question that I leave to the more qualified editors to solve. But as a portal of unbiased information, Wikipedia needs to mention this content somewhere on the main page of the Subway wiki so that researchers/ customers of Subway do not get deluded into thinking that a customer of Subway ends up consuming lesser calories as compared to a customer of McDonald's. Amitbalani (talk) 16:45, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

You seem to have strong pre-conceived opinions on the subject. And, while I can agree that the content may be appropriate to the marketing section - I do need to point out that the study does not support the blanket statement that customers of Subway will end up consuming either more/less/same calories as compared to a customer of McDonald's. It states that in a small study of specific demographics, those customers chose to purchase comparable calories to McDonald's despite other choices, and the study suggests the reason being "customers are often faced with marketing that doesn’t prompt healthful choices" and specific to Subway that healthier option were likely overlooked due to "a meatball sandwich special that was advertised with big posters and advantageous prices". Keep in mind as well that the study is small (87 people) specific to adolescents (ages 12-21) in one city (Carson area of Los Angeles) - so the purchasing decisions may or may not be representative of the state, country, or world; and may or may not be representative of other age demographics. The study is simply too small and too targeted to allow drawing the type of blanket conclusion that you are suggesting above - which is why the source does not attempt to state those conclusions. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 17:56, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Where does the article say, or even suggest, that "a customer of Subway ends up consuming lesser calories as compared to a customer of McDonald's" ? I can't see it. Unless it does I can't see any need to provide balance. I'm also not particularly aware of anyone suggesting otherwise, nor am I aware of any "controversy" about the matter. Your cite doesn't suggest there is any either. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 19:43, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

I've removed it from the nutrition section, as well. The story is pretty clear that the study is not about the menus. It's about what 87 people bought in a small area. Hardly representative of a restaurant which reaches millions. Also, they saw the difference between Subway kid calories and McDonalds' is not significant. If that difference (83 calories) isn't, the 105 calories over "acceptable levels" for Subway can't really be that significant either. So there's not even a nutrition problem, let alone a controversy. Might be suitable points in there for the advertising section. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:19, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Subway vs SUBWAY

Shouldn't the title of this article be "SUBWAY" (all caps)?

http://www.subway.co.uk/

"SUBWAY® is a registered trademark of Doctor's Associates Inc"

I always see it written this way in ordinary text, so it's not just stylized that way for the logo. Whyyyyyy (talk) 23:55, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

It's stylized that way. Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trademarks, Wikipedia reduces trademark text styled in all-caps back to mixed case; thus, we refer to the company as Subway throughout the article. —C.Fred (talk) 00:08, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Please see WP:Common name to understand why. The basic reason is we do not use trade names in article titling.--Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 00:11, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Discussion of Subway ownership

The second sentence of the second paragraph seems a bit ridiculous:

"Subway Owner's son Kirk Lopez owns 50% of the company and every sub made is technically his."

Beyond improper capitalization (Owner should be owner), poor grammar, and hilarious word choice (technically), this is a bizarre statement. If Kirk Lopez owns 50% of Subway, he is the owner, not the owner's son. The writer probably means founder, but there is no reference to the founder preceding the sentence. In addition, Subway is owned by another corporation - Doctor's Associates - meaning that Lopez's ownership (if he is indeed the owner) is one further step removed. Finally, ownership of a company is ownership of products made for sale - every sub made does not technically belong to the owner, it belongs to the consumer. The entire sentence should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.132.173.36 (talk) 13:37, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

More Subway locations opening recently?

According to Subway's official website, they now have 40,855 restaurants in 105 countries & territories. That means they recently opened up more Subways around the world. Mr. Brain (talk) 00:57, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

non-controversy about chemical in bread?

Subway is now removing from bread used in US a chemical that was illegal in Europe and Australia. http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/02/05/subway-says-its-removing-chemical-from-bread/ 71.163.117.143 (talk) 11:30, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

The chemical is called Azodiacarbonamide. I went ahead and added a section where I briefly explained this "non-controversy" along with adding references from a variety of different news outlets. Feel free to add more content to the section if you feel it is missing something. Meatsgains (talk) 00:43, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

"Products" section appears to be advertising

EDIT 1:There is a relationship between fact and advertising. "SUBWAY sells subs" is a fact. "SUBWAY sells subs such as the Italian BMT, Tuna, etc." is sadvertising. A specific sandwich, such as the Big Mac from McDonald's, or a sandwich that has been written about such as the BMT, transcends the notion of advertising and should be included.

EDIT 2:Knowing how long a sandwich is heated is not an encyclopedic fact of interest.

Top is my edit, bottom is original. Wickedverve (talk) 13:41, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

EDITED VERSION Products

Subway's core product is the submarine sandwich (or "sub"). In addition to these, the chain also sells wraps, salad, and baked goods (including cookies, doughnuts, and muffins). Some menu items vary between countries and markets. Subway's best-selling sandwich,[16] the B.M.T., contains pepperoni, salami, and ham. The name originally stood for Brooklyn Manhattan Transit, but now stands for "Biggest, Meatiest, Tastiest".[17]

Subway also sells breakfast sandwiches, English muffins, and flatbreads. In 2006, "personal pizzas" debuted in some US markets. These are made to order, like their subs. Breakfast and pizza items are only available in some stores. In November 2009, Subway signed a deal to exclusively serve Seattle's Best Coffee coffee as part of their breakfast menu in the US.[18]

A 2009 Zagat survey named Subway the best provider of "Healthy Options" (in the "Mega Chain" category). Subway was also first in "Top Service" and "Most Popular" rankings. It placed second in "Top Overall", behind Wendy's.[19]

ORIGINAL VERSION Products

A Subway Club 6" sandwich Subway's core product is the submarine sandwich (or "sub"). In addition to these, the chain also sells wraps, salad, and baked goods (including cookies, doughnuts, and muffins). While some menu items vary between countries and markets, Subway's worldwide signature sub varieties include:[15]

Italian B.M.T. Roasted Chicken Subway Club Tuna Meatball Marinara Subway Melt Chicken Teriyaki Steak & Cheese Subway's best-selling sandwich,[16] the B.M.T., contains pepperoni, salami, and ham. The name originally stood for Brooklyn Manhattan Transit, but now stands for "Biggest, Meatiest, Tastiest".[17]

Subway also sells breakfast sandwiches, English muffins, and flatbreads. In 2006, "personal pizzas" debuted in some US markets. These are made to order (like their subs) and heated for 85 seconds. Breakfast and pizza items are only available in some stores. In November 2009, Subway signed a deal to exclusively serve Seattle's Best Coffee coffee as part of their breakfast menu in the US.[18]

A 2009 Zagat survey named Subway the best provider of "Healthy Options" (in the "Mega Chain" category). Subway was also first in "Top Service" and "Most Popular" rankings. It placed second in "Top Overall", behind Wendy's.[19]

Semi-protected edit request on 4 May 2014

Dear Wikipedia, I would like to bring to your attention as to why I would like to edit the subway page is because under the controversies page there is a current controversy in the UK about the removal of meat products because Muslims had asked so. I would like to bring this controversy to light as it is a current affair that is still ongoing in the uk Wwe2011fan (talk) 20:52, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

OK, I'm enlightened. But now what? An Edit Request isn't where you request to edit, but request an edit be made. What would you like to add/change, and where is the reliable source backing the claim(s) up?

If you want to edit protected articles on your own, just make ten constructive edits on unprotected ones, and you'll be an "Autoconfirmed User". Then you're free as a bird! But still not as free as an administrator. Maybe one day. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:13, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

It's already included at the end of the 'ingredients' section. There doesn't seem to be anything further worth including. SmartSE (talk) 22:31, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Appearances can be deceiving. We should give the guy a chance to further enlighten us before marking this as answered. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:41, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. SmartSE has also noted that the change you are asking for may already be mentioned in the article at the end of the "Ingredients" section Mz7 (talk) 22:45, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2014

173.63.173.17 (talk) 15:01, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a change.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to any article. - Arjayay (talk) 15:06, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Subway's worldwide signature sub varieties

The list of these subs isn't correctly any more. The meatball sandwich isn't sold any more at some locations in Europe. They discontinued the sale of the meatball sub for example in Germany and The Netherlands. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.80.96.45 (talk) 06:26, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Map

Subways locations map should be updated to reflect recently opened restaurants in countries such as Sri Lanka, Dominica -- Chamith (talk) 06:05, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

And Latvia, in which Subway has been opearting for almost 2 years already.

Georgia (the country) should be added to the list of Subway locations. 1st Subway store was open in Georgia in November 16, 2013.

--188.112.170.209 (talk) 08:41, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Fogle

The information about a law enforcement investigation involving Fogle is potentially suitable - subject to the usual application of WP:BLP - for the article Jared Fogle; it is clearly undue on the page of his former employer: "discussion of isolated events, criticisms, or news reports about a subject may be verifiable and impartial, but still disproportionate to their overall significance to the article topic" (my emphasis). Keri (talk) 11:03, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

The advertising section says see Jared Fogle. Jared's property being confiscated by the FBI prompted Subway to distance themselves. The average American thinks Subway when they hear the name Jared. The name Jared is practically synonymous with Subway. Jared's FBI raid is pertinent to the Subway article. XenoRasta (talk) 00:07, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

How is it pertinent? Is Subway alleged to be involved? Has Subway been searched? Has Fogle even been charged with anything? Disproportionate. And WP:NOTNEWS is also pertinent here. Keri (talk) 00:26, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Absolutely agree with Keri, it's not close to being weighty enough for this article. As of right now, it's barely worth noting in the Jared Fogle article, except for a mention and adhering to strict BLP considerations. Dave Dial (talk) 00:29, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

You do realize that the only reason Jared is not representing Subway is because of this incident. Subway specifically dropped him due to this incident. It's not like Jared left Subway sometime ago. He was their current spokesperson/representative immediately up to the point of the allegations concerning the head of his charity. That is why this is appropriate under the advertising section. Bad publicity for Jared is bad publicity for Subway.XenoRasta (talk) 00:42, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

"...the allegations concerning the head of his charity..." Not concerning any of the "43,981 [Subway] restaurants in 110 countries." And if you consider it "bad publicity" then you should ask yourself if the edit you are making actually discusses its nominal subject, or is an attempt to make a point about one or more tangential subjects. Keri (talk) 00:49, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Unless there is some direct connection between Subway and this investigation, I don't see justification for including it here. The alleged crimes of this employee are not the company's crimes. At least not at this point. It should also be noted that this article is about Subway globally. This man means nothing to readers outside America. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 15:42, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

I agree that it is not related directly to Subway and should not be in this article. Should possibly be at the Jared Fogle article, depending on the outcome. Bahooka (talk) 15:48, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

It is directly connected: Business Insider and Daily Mail, "The former franchisee shared the texts and her concerns about Fogle with Subway management at the time" Jadeslair (talk) 05:30, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

This man practically made Subway what it is: His article credits half their growth to him. Now he is convicted and dropped. This must be included. '''tAD''' (talk) 04:49, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

I agree that the subsequent developments in the case following the above discussion have elevated the significance and notability of the Fogle arrest. Keri (talk) 09:01, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

I think the current edit sums it up well for the moment. Jadeslair (talk) 13:37, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 October 2015

Founder and CEO Fred Deluca passed away. CEO is now Suzanne Greco Sapan211 (talk) 23:50, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. If you can find a reliable source, please add it onto this section for verification of your claim. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 07:31, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 October 2015

On the Jared Fogle section, link "sex with a minor" to "Child sex offense". 125.239.151.237 (talk) 09:25, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

 Not done - There is no such article on English Wikipedia titled "Child sex offense". Please be specific. Also, note that pedophilia is already linked. Chamith (talk) 10:27, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

FYI: Subway in Thailand

There are now several franchises located in some of the major cities in Thailand. The original person who brought the subway franchise to Thailand was an Italian man who opened up the first branch in the mid 1990s at Central Pinklao Plaza, a shopping mall. The franchise didn't do very well due the chosen location and the Asian Financial crisis and eventually closed. For the record, this was the first subway restaurant in Thailand. 180.180.137.204 (talk) 06:39, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

MAP

Please update the map and include Georgia and Latvia in the list of Subway locations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.49.69.134 (talk) 08:37, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Eat Fresh?

The current image says "Subway Eat Fresh", which has the old slogan, rather than "Founded on Fresh" or "Eat Well, Live Well" (at least NZ has "Eat Well, Live Well"). Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 21:55, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

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Subway Canada and Pepsi

I don't know where to post this news, a bit old from 2015, sorry for the inconvience. ^^; Look like Subway restaurants in Canada offer Pepsi instead of Coca-Cola. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/subway-canada-welcomes-pepsico-canada-as-exclusive-national-beverage-and-snack-provider-2015-11-04 --Sd-100 (talk) 14:43, 26 August 2017 (UTC)