Talk:Stop Child Executions Campaign

Amnesty international campaign

This SCE campaign is not notable. It has taken on the name of a prior existing World-Wide Amnesty International campaign called "Stop Child Executions" to push an agenda specific to Iran. There is very little coverage of this non-Amnesty campaign except on anti-Iranian websites. Many of the mainstream mentions of the "Stop Child Executions" campaign in mainstream media are references to the prior existing Amnesty International campaign. You can read more about the Amnesty International campaign here:

http://www.amnesty.org.uk/content.asp?CategoryID=2112

The Amnesty International campaign does advocate on behalf of those in Iran and Pakistan. I am concerned that this secondary campaign that has the same name is trying to confuse the issue. Also why does this campaign not care about Pakistan?

It is also not clear where the funding for this non-Amnesty SCE campaign is coming from.

--64.230.121.92 21:05, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

According to this publication from Amnesty International, their "SCE Campaign" began in 2004:

http://www.amnesty.org.uk/news_details.asp?NewsID=15968 ok okay

--64.230.121.92 21:13, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

This article needs to refocus

When I stumbled on this article tonight, I nearly tagged it for deletion. The opening paragraph is about the organization, but does not explain why it is notable or even very much about what it is. Since the article is titled with the name of the organization (or campaign if you prefer), the article needs to focus on the organization itself and not the subject of child execution. (That could be a separate article, and I have no prejudice against that.)

Instead of recommending that it be deleted, I will help its regular editors to bring this article up to standard, if possible. There is something here, but it needs proper sourcing and focus. As a first step, the following information must be obtained, using reliable sources such as newspaper articles and so on. Some of the information may be from the website, but there must be third-party discussion of the organization.

• What is the nature of the organization? Is it a charity? If so, where is it registered?
• What is the structure of the organization? Does it have a board of directors? Who manages its funds?
• Has it been discussed in the media? By media, I mean reputable journals, newspapers of major cities, television interviews and so forth.
• Does it have any formal ties to other organizations, either national or international (e.g., Amnesty International, Red Cross, Red Crescent)?

The sections naming individuals will have to go, and I will remove them tonight. Only individuals that the organization can demonstrate it has helped should be mentioned in the article; someone who was executed 10 years before the organization existed should not be named in the article. As well, the supporters section needs to be severely pruned; only supporters who have "blue" links should be included.

As a start for the media discussions, this link will be useful. [1] Please search for additional ones.

--Risker (talk) 05:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I have spent the better part of the day searching for additional references for this article, and I cannot find independent third party references that show this organization has a noteworthy footprint. Most references are to the Amnesty International project of the same or similar name, and Amnesty International does not make any references to the project described in this article. Unless other editors can come up with significant third party references specific to this particular campaign led by this particular group, I will propose this article be deleted. Risker (talk) 03:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

@Risker I agree, I've worked on it a bit today. It seems to have been taking credit for Amnesty's work except perhaps for the one petition that led to this. Doug Weller talk 10:31, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Doug Weller, this article still appears to me to be a puff piece, and quite possibly an example of a SPA and/or paid editor, as almost all edits are on closely related topics. I have had a look and find absolutely nothing in the past 10 years about this campaign. If it was truly notable, then there would have been *something* more recent. Thanks for reminding me of this article. I'm looking at the deletion discussion, which was obviously a counting campaign since "well written article" has never been a criterion for keeping, not even back in 2007. Risker (talk) 17:41, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

@Risker so merge or redirect to its founder? I’m sure it doesn’t exist now and changed it to past tense. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 17:50, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

This organization claims to campaign for "putting an end to executions of minors in Iran." However, it is really about execution of adults who committed crimes as minors. It is very misleading since no child is being executed. Rather, adults are being executed for juvenile offenses. "Child Execution" is not an appropriate way of describing this situation. It claims that 2 Afghan boys were executed in Iran as reported by BBC. When you look at the BBC report in Persian, it only says that the boys were sentenced to death. No mention of execution. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.172.168.119 (talk) 08:15, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Stop Child Execution Campaign to be merged to Nazanin Afshin-Jam

This is basically what Nazanin Afshin Jam launched recently and is too early to consider it a significant movement. In my opinion it makes more sense to have it as a part of Afshin-Jam's article. The article as it is now, sounds more like an advertisement for the campaign anf wikipedia is not to promote a person or a movement like this. Mitso Bel (talk) 23:20, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose - not necessary; Nazanin was only a co-founder; better as a stand-alone article. Consensus was to to keep article, and absent a larger consensus, there is no need to merge an article that you are saying needs re-tuning. -->David Shankbone 15:27, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

The other co founder is, David Etebari who is not a well known figure. "Stop Child Executions Campaign" is equal to Nazanin Afshin Jam. Wikipedia should not be used as a platform to promote one person. There are hundreds of such virtual campaigns in Iran and elsewhere. Her campaign has not achieved "any thing" till now. I know that Afshin Jam claims that her campaign had a significant role in the case of Nazanin Fatehi. To me it is just a piece of advertisement for a beautiful celebrity who wants to be known as a freedom fighter. She needs some more time and she needs to prove herself. Mitso Bel (talk) 19:16, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Those aren't reasons to merge or delete an article, particularly one for which there is consensus to have remain. -->David Shankbone 19:23, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

The article has notability problem and wikipedia is not a forum for promoting one person. Afshin Jam's achievements as a human right activist is not significant enough to deserve a second separate article. None of those who voted for "keep" in previous deletion proposal, offered any convincing reason for their votes. The campaign might become a significant one in future. But at the moment, it is not notable. Launching a few online petitions does not need more than two minutes!! The campaign has not achieved anything yet. Mitso Bel (talk) 19:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Then what I recommend you do is bring it up for the community again, but please stop trying to force your will with renaming pages or merging them. I remain unconvinced by your arguments, and you are beginning to sound like you have an agenda, which is problematic for editing according to policy. -->David Shankbone 20:41, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Simply Google Stop Child Executions and see if SCE is notable or not!! It covers the first page! They have joint statements with Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch etc. They have been addressed by practically all major medias. They jointly with Amnesty International created the most comprehensive list of juveniles facing executions. If Amnesty considers them notable, who is Misto Bel to say they are not! If you need data and proof for what I just mentioned, just ask and I will provide but you are wasting your time, because you know well that everything I said has a reference and you are the one with agenda here! Additionally see this: http://fpc.org.uk/ . UK Foreign Policy Center also thinks they are notable! So has CNN, FOX, BBC, CNT, Washington Times, .....and long list continues. LiveLife 08:11, 21 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by LiveLife (talk • contribs)

no, I`m oppose. she is most famous in iran and could have a herself article. she have article in fa.wiki too.--Gordafarid (talk) 17:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose. Both articles might need some overhaul/better focus but they are essentially 2 different topics and the notability of nazanin exists independent of her activism regarding the Stop Child Execution Campaign, therefore merging the articles makes no sense at all.--Kmhkmh (talk) 17:06, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose. She has done enough to be classified as "notable" with her music, modeling, acting, and public affairs accomplishments. Iceberg007 (talk) 21:25, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose. her notability is obvious. --Kaaveh (talk) 04:47, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose. SCE is independent international organization recognized by many including Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch. LiveLife (talk —Preceding undated comment added 10:15, 30 September 2009 (UTC).

Since most editors seems to oppose the merger for valid reasons I took the liberty to remove the templates now.--Kmhkmh (talk) 01:34, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Rename?

Shouldn't the title be "Stop Child Executions? --Rosekelleher (talk) 16:27, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Never mind. Just created a redirect. --Rosekelleher (talk) 16:30, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Rephrasing for clarity

"Preparation activities in support of this campaign commenced after release of Nazanin Fatehi from prison and after more than 350,000 signatures were signed worldwide."

I'd like to change that to: "The 'Save Nazanin' petition garnered more than 350,000 signatures worldwide, and in 2007, Fatehi was released from prison."

We already know that SCE is a "follow-up" to the Save Nazanin campaign, so there's no need to talk about "preparation activities" (unless I'm missing something). Also I'd like to rearrange the next section in chronological order. I'm not proposing any substantial changes, just trying to make it easier to read. Hope that's okay. --Rosekelleher (talk) 19:53, 28 February 2015 (UTC)