Talk:Statue of Thomas Jefferson (David d'Angers)

Renaming

Given that the NYC version is almost as significant, could we consider changing the title to reference the artist? Tfine80 (talk) 12:56, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

@Tfine80 I invite you to discuss below. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:47, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 23 November 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to Statue of Thomas Jefferson (David d'Angers). (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:20, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

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Statue of Thomas Jefferson (U.S. Capitol) → Statue of Thomas Jefferson (d'Angers) – This article covers two sculptures: one in the U.S. Capitol and another in New York City. Therefore, we should disambiguate by the artist's last name and not location. --Another Believer _(Talk) 19:47, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

• Move to Statue of Thomas Jefferson (David d'Angers) – "David" is the sculptor's surname, and "David d'Angers" (after his birthplace) is the best way to disambiguate him from Jacques-Louis David in particular (but Gerard David is yet another artist of this name). "Statue of Thomas Jefferson" with the artist's name as disambiguation fits with MOS:ART/MULTI and matches one of the examples given there: Bust of Winston Churchill (Epstein). Ham II (talk) 20:08, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. The one in the Capitol appears to be the original. The one in New York is only a plaster copy. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:15, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

  The New York version is described at nyc.gov as "the plaster model from which the bronze artwork was made". But the White House Historical Society's article (which I'm afraid looks more scholarly, and which is also the citation for this article's sentence on the sculpture's creation) says that the original model was in clay and that the New York version is a bronzed plaster copy made the same year. @Johnbod: Would this mean that it qualifies as an artwork "produced in multiple copies", or is the Capitol version clearly the prime version? Another copy is mentioned in the White House article, but it's from 1974. (And the National Gallery of Art has this later cast from the maquette.) Ham II (talk) 20:41, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

• The Capitol one is the prime version. I don't myself think that a single copy in another material makes an artwork "produced in multiple copies", but I suppose it's arguable. Maybe there was an edition of these? The original clay was probably destroyed in the casting process. Johnbod (talk) 20:48, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

• Move to Statue of Thomas Jefferson (David d'Angers), I think, regardless of the issue above. Johnbod (talk) 20:49, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
• Move to Statue of Thomas Jefferson (David d'Angers). David d'Angers is a notable artist and a good disambiguator. This is a major work with two notable instances of it, and the article is about both instances. Andrewa (talk) 22:11, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

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