Talk:Southern Cross (aircraft)

Arrival date in Australia

Sources seem to be confused about whether the SC arrived in Australia on the 8th, 9th or 10th of June.

The most detailed source I can find is [1], which says 10:13am on the 9th. I expect the reason some other sources give the other dates are a) The SC did of course cross the international date line between Hawaii and Suva, so if someone just added up the days in flight they'd get the 8th, and b) no-one's ever heard of Brisbane, and the SC did not continue on to Sydney until the 10th. FiggyBee 08:06, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

On what do you base your comment that no-one's ever heard of Brisbane? A citation is needed with regard to this — otherwise it is just a POV comment. Figaro 14:40, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Of course it was just a POV comment (I live in Brisbane too, fwiw). :) But nevertheless, the newsreels, photographers and crowd of 300,000 [2] were all at Mascot on the 10th, not Eagle Farm on the 9th. So that's why there could be some confusion. FiggyBee 23:33, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

What about the crowd of 25,000 people who rushed to Eagle Farm Airport to greet the Southern Cross on its arrival at the airport on the 9th [3] and [4] — don't they count? Figaro 13:20, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I have just added a reference to the article page for the arrival in Brisbane on 9 June, 1928 - and am also adding the reference here. The page concerned shows a plaque commemorating the flight and the aircraft's arrival at Brisbane (on 9 June, 1928). Figaro (talk) 11:45, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

References

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Red link for Harry Lyon

In this edit, User:Vox3000 removed the red link for Harry Lyon (aviator). I restored that red link, citing WP:REDLINKS in my edit summary. Despite Wikipedia's principle of bold-revert-discuss, Vox3000 then removed that red link again. That link is for a notable person, it has a few incoming links and I think there's a good chance that an article might be written. I suggest to restore it. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:45, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Michael Bednarek. It's not as if this article is chock full of red links. I understand Vox3000's removal, but for the sake of discussion, I weigh in on the side of keeping the red link for Harry Lyon (aviator). --Quartermaster (talk) 13:48, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Photograph of four airmen

I would like to suggest that the photograph of the four airmen accompanying this article was taken to commemorate another event, i.e. Kingsford Smith's east-west flight across the Atlantic from Portmarnock in Ireland to Harbour Grace Newfoundland on 24-25 June 1930. The four men are, from left to right: John W. Stannage (New Zealand, wireless operator), Evert van Dijk (Netherlands, in the snazzy bathrobe, second pilot), Kingsford Smith and captain Patrick Saul of the Irish Free State Army Air Corps (navigator). The photograph of the same four men, published in Flight Magazine of July 4, 1930, p.757 may go some way to convince any doubters. This last photo was taken at Schiphol airport before their departure to Ireland. The text accompanying the photo in Flight has its own error: the lady on the right is not Mary Powell, who had remained in Australia, but Kiek van Dijk-Meddens, the wife of Evert van Dijk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jan Huigen (talk • contribs) 00:50, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your digging. I would be willing to change the caption of the photograph accordingly, if it were not for your curious remark about "the lady on the right" – I don't see any female in photo. I can't find any description by the San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive, and the description at the image's direct source, Flickr, is not by the SDASM. Does Flight International have an online archive? Can you locate a scan of that page on the Internet? Can you make a scan and put it on the Internet? Maybe the uplaoder, User:czar, knows more? BTW, why isn't that 1st east-west crossing of the North Atlantic in 1930 from Ireland to Newfoundland not mentioned in this article? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 09:59, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

I have no idea. I thought the leap in judgement was trusting, myself. I only verified the license and moved the image from Wikipedia to Commons. czar ♔ 13:16, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Today user:Tomwar2 left the following message at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion which I believe relates to this image:

This photo is NOT Kingsford Smith,Ulm,Lyon and Warner. I do not know who is in the Photo But it is NOT the above. There are many photos of the 4 crewmen of the Southern Cross's Trans Pacific Flight, But that is Not one.

James Warner was my father,and I speak with knowledge. I can provide a correct picture.

George Tom Warner

I have no knowledge of the image beyond what is written in this thread, nor do I know why the user chose the venue they did. Thryduulf (talk) 13:15, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks; good detective work ad WP:CSD figuring out what the writer's concern was. I think the image should be removed here and at James Warner (aviator) until the matter is cleared up. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:45, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

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Orphaned references in Southern Cross (aircraft)

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Southern Cross (aircraft)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "ADB":

• From Garnet Malley: Clark, Chris. Malley, Garnet Francis (1892–1961). Canberra: Australian National University. Retrieved 20 February 2014. {{cite book}}: |work= ignored (help)
• From De Havilland Giant Moth: Bridge, Carl. Holden, Leslie Hubert (1895–1932). Australian Dictionary of Biography.
• From Les Holden: Bridge, Carl. Holden, Leslie Hubert (1895–1932). Australian National University. Retrieved 16 May 2014. {{cite book}}: |work= ignored (help)
• From Australian National Airways (1930): "Australian Dictionary of Biography". Australian Dictionary of Biography. Archived from the original on 30 July 2008. Retrieved 13 September 2008.
• From Charles Eaton (RAAF officer): Eaton, Charles (1895–1979). National Centre of Biography, Australian National University. Retrieved 2 January 2016. {{cite book}}: |work= ignored (help)
• From Lester Brain: "Brain, Lester Joseph (1903–1980)". Australian Dictionary of Biography. National Centre of Biography, Australian National University. Retrieved 8 March 2016.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 15:11, 20 September 2022 (UTC)