Talk:Roy and HG's State of Origin commentary

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Jamie Ainscough was cough Drop.

Can any one rember Gordon Tallis'? MissCBR600 04:24, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi guys, I think we should use this page to discuss things which we are unsure of, before adding them to the main page. Here's what I'd like to know:

• The name of the horn-based song behind King Wally Otto's introduction? I have heard it used in other places, such as movies.
• Information about how long Roy and HG have been doing their commentary for? (there should probably be a short 'history' section before the 'format' section). I have listened to their call of basically every game since 1996, and beleive they would have been doing it since the early 90s/late 80s.
• Are they actually present at the stadium to do their calls? I'm guessing yes, but have nothing to back this up with.
• Do you think the State of Origin nickname table should go on a separate page, to make this page more concise? I don't have a strong opinion either way.

I realise that much of the information on this article is currently unsupported by sources, as the Five Pillars of Wikipedia prescribe, however this is because specific information on their State of Origin commentary is hard to find online (or offline, as far as I can tell). For information such as player nicknames, I trawled through message boards to read posts users had made just after matches had taken place, asked for users to recount their opinions (especially on this page and, yes, relied on my personal memory. During the 2006 series, I took notes on Roy and HG's call of the game, so quotes such as the "Moggball" and "highest principles on the planet" are verbatim. Though I am a Roy and HG fan, I try to keep this article as close to neutral as possible through my descriptions.

I will work to make the information on this page more verifiable, but I think it is important that we start with all the information we can recount here in the meantime. Stuart mcmillen 07:58, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

List of uncertain nicknames

Here's some nicknames which I have only partial recollection of. Feel free to add any other to this list (although I'd prefer if you avoid more common ones used across the media like 'Joey Johns', 'Locky Lockyer', 'The Chief' Paul Harrigan, etc), or move entries to the proper list if you know the reason behind their usage.

New South Wales State of Origin Player Nicknames
Player name	Roy and HG nickname	Reason for nickname
Jamie Ainscough	The Cough Drop	**I think they also used to call him "Pure Ainscough" Does anyone have a good memory of this?**
Laurie Daley	Old Man Emu	**Am I imagining this? Did Roy and HG used to call Laurie this?**
Craig Gower	The Wet Helicopter	**Am I imagining this? Did Roy and HG call Craig this? What is the meaning?**
Rod Wishart	The second strongest man in the league, below the waist	**Pretty sure they used to call him something...was it "Won’t Pass it Wishart" due to his hogging of the ball?**

Queensland State of Origin Player Nicknames
Player name	Roy and HG nickname	Reason for nickname
Chris Close	Choppey Close	**What is the correct spelling of "Choppey"?**
Billy Moore		**Pretty sure they used to call him something...what was it?**

Choppy is Close's "ordinary" nickname. Some names come and go, possibly only mentioned very briefly, so anything is possible (e.g. I can remember them discussing whether Wayne Pearce was happy to be called Junior, one alternative suggestion was "Darling Harbour Pearce") Meninga was at one point "Goose" and "Ring Me For A Good Time". Terry Hill was "King Of The Kids"; Terry Lamb, "Tee Hee". Fittler was "About To Cut Loose" for some time. Also going back a bit, they used to describe all referees as a member of the Bamford family, Theo Bamford, Knut Bamford, Thorsten Bamford etc.

The "cough" in Ainscough isn't pronounced like the word "cough", it's pronounced like "Co." Would Roy & HG have got this wrong?

Two-dollar Coit is a combined reference to the $2 coin, and the similarity beteen coin and coit. I think that Dan Stains' nickname is about "stains in his underpants" rather than his headgear, don't you think? And the swamp (as in "at your end of the swamp") would be a reference to the TV show MASH, where the tent that the main characters lived in was nicknamed the Swamp.

references to referees Jeffes and Jadwat

As someone has previously pointed out, Jadwat is certainly not a fictitious character, although his first grade career was quite short and thus Roy & HG's accolades for him are certainly ironic. Jeffes has a slightly better CV (4 final series, a reserve grade GF, one Origin 1997) but again accolades for his achievements also seem ironic. These are now rectified. --58.106.22.116 09:30, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

How long have they been doing it?

Doesn't appear in the article anywhere and might be good to mention. It was one of my first questions when I saw the article, as some of the players who they've given nicknames are from past football eras. This surprised me because I thought the Roy & HG commentary was a more recent development. Seems I'm wrong though.--Jeff79 18:46, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

The first call they did was 1986. I am pretty sure it was the ARL grand final, not the state of origin. So the first state of origin was probably 1987.

How about mentioning it in the article. Kinda important don't ya think?--Jeff79 03:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Fantastic article! Very culturally significant to Australians

Well done on this article, it absolutely rocks! Roy & H.G. are extremely beloved cultural icons to us Aussies and this is like a translation of their meanings, which can't be found anywhere else (at least, not that I know of). I just hope its importance (to Australians) is not underestimated by the Wikipedia administration (who I assume - very possibly mistakenly - to be mainly from the USA).--Tyranny Sue (talk) 09:53, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is multi-national and doesn't really have a centralised administration (see: Wikipedia:Who writes Wikipedia and WP:OFAQ#WHO if you'd like some information on how Wikipedia is organised). Nick-D (talk) 10:46, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Game one, 2009

For everyone else who came here: Looks like they are not doing Game one, 2009. Any confirmation? --DavidMarsh (talk) 09:43, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,25082637-5001023,00.html --DavidMarsh (talk) 09:45, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Fantastic Entry on two guys who double handedly enhanced the Origin concept. I recall A game in the late 80's where they were so fed up with NSW's ineptitude (things don't change do they?) that they refused to call the game whilst NSW had the ball. What followed were short silences while NSW had the ball broken by longer excited calls of QLD playing all over them. I have a tape of, I think, the 89 GF between Balmain and Canberra which is priceless. They did start in the mid-eaighties and may even have called an Anzac game from the SCG before they even did a GF.....thankd for a very funny entry.....Wessley —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.28.62.200 (talk) 01:53, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

A reference for the majority of information on this page

Hi, I am the person who originally started this Wikipedia article, and over 50% of the current text on the page (particularly the non-nickname sections) are my words.

My original article contained no references, because I gathered my information from listening to the 3 2006 Origin games, and transcribing information into a Wikipedia article sandbox. Rather than relying on memory.

I have just uploaded a blog post to my website, which vouches for the accuracy of the original information that I added to this page. How can/should we use that as a Wikipedia-worthy 'source' on this article? Continuously refer to that one source throughout the article?

PS: Would love to know if anyone has tapes of the original broadcasts, and is willing to upload them to the web. Anyone have access to the ABC audio archives? If they ever surface, they should be linked to on here. We can then use them as sources for nicknames, etc. ;) Stuart mcmillen (talk) 11:36, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

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